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Topic: SYNC from Jose Prager and Paper Crane Magic Awesome Method for Mind Reading Effects
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 16, 2012 03:19PM)
Jose Prager's SYNC is a very easy, practically self working method to perform realistic looking mind reading effects. With this never before seen method you will be able to perform very direct and very clean mentalism like never before. Here's how the effect looks in a typical performance, a spectator is asked to think of an image that can be drawn on the back of a business card or some other type of paper that is around. After the spectator draws their image you take the business card resting it on your palm so you can allow them to replace the cap on the sharpie. It is important to note that you NEVER see the writing side of the business card, you simply place the card on your palm and hand it back to the spectator. With no sleights, tears or switches you are easily able to divine the spectators thought. With this specially made gimmick(Included) you will able to perform SYNC within minutes of watching the explanation. The method is so easy and so clever that it is sure to make you smile and because the method is so deceptive spectators will have no clue how you performed this miracle.

As an added bonus we have included some magic related applications presented by Justin Miller that takes this idea to an entirely different level.

Important Points to Remember

Easy(almost self working)
Deceptive Method
Never Before Seen Method
Includes a Custom Made Gimmick
http://papercranemagic.com/sync.htm
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Jan 16, 2012 03:24PM)
Video edited at 1'09... Why? I don't trust this at all.
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 16, 2012 03:40PM)
Yep there's an edit but those that know the method know why. I feel that out of respect for people that buy and use the method the edit should have happened. PM if you have questions.
Message: Posted by: XerxX (Jan 16, 2012 04:27PM)
In October I bought Prager's [b]Duplo[/b] - is this a different method?

Best regards,
XerxX
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 16, 2012 04:40PM)
It's the same but you get a custom made Sharpie gimmick and there is some new info added to the DVD making the principle more versatile. About the edit, if you know Paper Crane or if you know Mandy you know that her editing skills are good enough to hide a edit. My point is that she made it very obvious that there was an edit so that people understand that something happened. Typically this is something we don't do but we feel that we have a good track record for releasing good methods and with the many great reviews of Jose's original method we figure that would ease most suspicion.
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jan 16, 2012 05:19PM)
XerxX......are you happy with the original Duplo?
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jan 16, 2012 06:12PM)
When will the dvd be ready?
Message: Posted by: XerxX (Jan 16, 2012 06:25PM)
@ted french: Yeah, I thought so.


@MagicMan1957: Sure.

The tricky thing was... It took some tries to find a level of just enough of [insert secret here ;) ].
And then to repeat it each time.

I have only "performed" it for a few friends but they were nicely surprised.

To reveal the drawing (only one of the five ESP symbols), I use the way I think I suggested to José at that time:
I stretch my arms to their head and touch the temples (correct? The sides of the head near the ears) with the tops of my fingers. I then look deep into their eyes and read their mind...
Simple and fun.

Best regards,
XerxX
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Jan 16, 2012 07:38PM)
Duplo is great I think, easy really and from a performer's perspective, it is nice to shift the focus of the method on to something else other than seeing the piece of paper. If nothing else it gives a different method to achieve pretty similar results to other things but that is always a good thing as it leads people a certain way

this should be good then
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 16, 2012 08:28PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-16 17:27, XerxX wrote:

In October I bought Prager's [b]Duplo[/b] - is this a different method?
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2012-01-16 17:40, ted french wrote:

It's the same but you get a custom made Sharpie gimmick and there is some new info added to the DVD making the principle more versatile.
[/quote]

Then why give the effect a totally different name? It could have been named as 'Duplo 2.0' or something similar. Any good reason to do so?

Duplo is a nice, practical & effective way of gaining information - something new and different.

However, I haven't understood the logic behind deliberately gimmicking something when it could have been used as - 'as is'. I think probably this was a forced action due to magicians fear.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Jan 17, 2012 12:43PM)
Will this be offered as a dvd too or only download?
Message: Posted by: Scott Imler (Jan 17, 2012 10:31PM)
I guess I am not opposed to the edit so much BUT as the description in text makes mention of the performer taking back the card for a moment while pen is capped.In the video that does not happen.An important feature to just leave out. If one only saw the video with out the description it could be misleading.I guess if there is no way to show that section with out exposing it then the edit might be valid? It does make me wonder though if it is that transparent how does it play in the real world? Again it may kill and be very deceptive but I can see why people would become hesitant after watching if they felt they were not seeing everything that a specatator would experience.
I have no clue to the method but I do see that side of the arguement. Not sure if a happy medium could be accomplished with another performance being shot??? In conclusion I do admire that in the ad copy they DO mention it being placed in magicians hand.A lot of ads in this business fail to include such details so Kudos on that!!
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Jan 17, 2012 11:43PM)
This look very clean. I am greatly impressed.

Ray
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Jan 18, 2012 01:47AM)
It does read a little peculiar.

the full duplo presentation includes all the main points of what must be a very similar method (or the same) and watching it would not give away the method IMO (well the bit that was cut wouldn't be the thing to tip it at least).

watching Duplo and reading this, it seems that duplo maybe has more motive behind each action. Taking the card back while the pen is capped seems like little motivation to me, we must assume our participants have SOME basic coordination skills and can hold something and put a cap on a pen, or are able to think to give us the pen to cap ourselves.

still though, can't take away from this really, seems like making the cut might cause more fuss than just showing it, there are plenty of duplo-type performances where each move is justified and could be viewed without tipping any method, makes me think this isn't one of them...
Message: Posted by: XerxX (Jan 18, 2012 04:58AM)
I also think it's a bit peculiar that the video is edited at that point.
The original video (Mr. Prager's video from October) was not edited that way and it didn't tip the method. (Not to me, anyway)

And I think the "capping reason" is a weak one.
Most people can cap a pen while holding a small piece of paper. No?

I ask the spectator to put the paper in my hands behind my back.
Then I keep the paper there while she concentrates on her drawing. I look into her eyes and try to establish a connection between her mind and her drawing. This can take a while.

If the connection fails, she doesn't concentrate enough and I can't vision the drawing. So I ask the spectator to take the paper back because it may be easier for her to concentrate on the drawing if she holds it herself.
Then I do as I wrote in my post above.

No one (betw. 10-15 "performances" for single persons) has seen any suspected move or handling, because there is none.
They're just very surprised.


Best regards,
XerxX
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 18, 2012 09:25AM)
The text of the ad copy included the line about the cap only to illustrate to the buyer that you do touch the card. Touching the card NOT peeking at the card.
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Jan 18, 2012 03:48PM)
Yeah, nobody said p**k ;)

to me, as it was included in Duplo's video without harm, it would make sense to include something.

If you don't include it, people's imaginations will assume that it is to p**k, when actually it is a whole lot better. One reason I think the method is so good is that people look for a p**k and they don't get one.

could be the lesser of two evils to just include it, or go for a slightly different handling.

Still, I can't see you going wrong with this and if it includes the gimmick, well even better. I can imagine a lot of people using this in the correct circumstances.
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 18, 2012 06:46PM)
We also built these into a sharpie to make it even more deceptive.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Jan 18, 2012 08:36PM)
Here's part of the initial post...

[quote]
With this never before seen method you will be able to perform very direct and very clean mentalism like never before.
[/quote]

Then someone asked if it was the same method as Duplo, and this was the response...

[quote]
It's the same but you get a custom made Sharpie gimmick...
[/quote]


So if it's a "never before seen method", how and it be the same method as Duplo?
Message: Posted by: Prager (Jan 18, 2012 08:55PM)
Duplo+Custom made gimmick+New applications+Centalism+Flash=SYNC
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 18, 2012 09:39PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-18 21:55, J.Prager wrote:

Duplo+Custom made gimmick+New applications+Centalism+Flash=SYNC
[/quote]

Great! Seems a lot of new ideas/ thinking has gone into 'SYNC'. :)

Thanks for the info.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: shane.black (Jan 19, 2012 12:23AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-18 21:36, Mr. Mindbender wrote:
Here's part of the initial post...

[quote]
With this never before seen method you will be able to perform very direct and very clean mentalism like never before.
[/quote]

Then someone asked if it was the same method as Duplo, and this was the response...

[quote]
It's the same but you get a custom made Sharpie gimmick...
[/quote]


So if it's a "never before seen method", how and it be the same method as Duplo?
[/quote]

No need to nit pick it's the same trick so the methods the same but still new in its on right since its the same creator...I'm interested in this I might take the dive.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jan 19, 2012 02:17AM)
Paper Crane puts out excellent products, so I'm interested.

Clarke
Message: Posted by: Mind Melter (Jan 19, 2012 05:14AM)
Is the gimmick limited in how many performances you can do? Or is it 'reloadable' in a sense?
Or put another way, how many times can you do the effect with the one gimmick?


Not fishing for a method - just a legitimate question :)
Message: Posted by: ted french (Jan 19, 2012 05:49AM)
The gimmick will last most users forever. If it does run out not only is it re-loadable but we teach how to fix it yourself so you don't need to purchase another from us.
Message: Posted by: MagicMaddy (Jan 19, 2012 08:29AM)
Even though its very easy to make your own gimmick......
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Jan 19, 2012 08:30AM)
I took the Plunge.... I am a bit of a papercrane groupie so it interested me..... have to go watch the vid now......


-J-
Message: Posted by: Mind Melter (Jan 19, 2012 08:40AM)
Thanks for the reply guys. I'm sure your answer will help most users make a better informed decision on the purchase. Cheers and much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Feb 4, 2012 07:28AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-18 00:43, Magical Dimensions wrote:
This look very clean. I am greatly impressed.

Ray
[/quote]

Any time you edit out the part where the move is done it's going to look very clean. You're impressed with editing right now, not the handing of the effect.
Message: Posted by: insight (Feb 29, 2012 11:45PM)
No reviews?
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Mar 1, 2012 12:15AM)
I don't believe it is possible. 100% editing.
This is a misleading advertisment, because the performer touches the business card.

MP
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (Mar 2, 2012 09:15AM)
So, I have no idea how this works, however, I do have a comment about this effect. On Matt Mello's Modern Mentalims disk (also by Paper Crane), there is a business card mind reading effect. I believe this is a much better effect. Sure the method is different, and one of the things that this effects lists as not requited is required for the Mello routine, but there is no heat on the method. Also, in this version, you draw the picture on another card, and everything is given out. There is an envelope used, and it allows you to never touch the picture before the reveal. Also, since you don't have to hold the card you draw a picture, which to me is a better reveal then simply naming the picture.

Did I mention this DVD includes other material for about the same cost. I love this effect, and SYNC interests me, but I don't think it would replace the current method I am using.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Mar 2, 2012 09:45AM)
[quote]
On 2012-03-01 01:15, entermagic wrote:
I don't believe it is possible. 100% editing.
This is a misleading advertisment, because the performer touches the business card.

MP
[/quote]

Um, except the ADVERTISEMENT TELLS you that you touch the card.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Mar 2, 2012 10:10AM)
If you have some specific questions, please PM me and I will happily answer.

:)

SYNC is my #1 mind reading tool, I use it ALL the time.
It is EXTREMELY deceptive, I have used it for some of the most skeptic spectators you will ever find and I leave them AMAZED.
Message: Posted by: thementalist814 (Mar 2, 2012 02:38PM)
I have Duplo. Do I really need this DVD set? Are there groundbreaking ideas on it that were not covered in Duplo?
Message: Posted by: Prager (Mar 2, 2012 06:05PM)
Yes they are.
Message: Posted by: thementalist814 (Mar 2, 2012 06:34PM)
Oh Jose, you're killing me here man! I have just completed my purchase. When I saw Duplo I immediately put it straight into my act and the responses have been extraordinary coming from both laypeople, and magicians who have seen me perform for laypeople. I see it's pretty much the same gimmick as in Duplo but I'd love to see the new routines created using the gimmick. I'm really glad to see this turn into an expanded version and having success with it Jose. Keep up the good work and look forward to seeing new things that you have under wraps.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 2, 2012 07:01PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-19 09:30, Judah Vee wrote:
I took the Plunge.... I am a bit of a papercrane groupie so it interested me..... have to go watch the vid now......


-J-
[/quote]

And....? :)
Message: Posted by: coreyltd (Mar 3, 2012 01:45PM)
The video doesn't show the performer touching the card. That's very misleading.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Mar 3, 2012 02:30PM)
[quote]
On 2012-03-03 14:45, coreyltd wrote:
The video doesn't show the performer touching the card. That's very misleading.
[/quote]

Could you please read the add before posting?

"SYNC's demo video has been edited to protect the secret. You will need to briefly touch the card. We're so sure that you'll love SYNC, that if for any reason you're not 100% satisfied, just let us know within 30 days of getting it for a full refund."

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2644
Message: Posted by: Prager (Mar 3, 2012 02:31PM)
[quote]
On 2012-03-02 19:34, thementalist814 wrote:
Oh Jose, you're killing me here man! I have just completed my purchase. When I saw Duplo I immediately put it straight into my act and the responses have been extraordinary coming from both laypeople, and magicians who have seen me perform for laypeople. I see it's pretty much the same gimmick as in Duplo but I'd love to see the new routines created using the gimmick. I'm really glad to see this turn into an expanded version and having success with it Jose. Keep up the good work and look forward to seeing new things that you have under wraps.
[/quote]

Thank you very much!
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Mar 26, 2012 10:21AM)
Jose prager has new and clever ideas ,i like his thought.
Message: Posted by: mrdane (May 7, 2012 08:26PM)
Hey Jose and fellow magicians,

I have a few questions.

Is it necessary to squeeze the card in ones fist quite firmly?

Is the folded card examinable after the effect?

Thanks Jose, look forward to learning this effect.
-Dane
Message: Posted by: magicduro (May 7, 2012 08:35PM)
What routines are on this DVD?
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 7, 2012 08:35PM)
Hey Dane!

If you want to learn my original handling which is a lot more deceptive than the one shown on the DVD, you can go to my website http://www.mindshocks.com and get it as a downloadable intructional video.

It is called Duplo and it will fool even the most experienced mentalists.
The card is examinable after the effect.
Message: Posted by: mrdane (May 7, 2012 08:54PM)
Sounds good Jose, thank you for the reply. Am I missing out on anything by not getting the Sync DVD instead?
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 7, 2012 09:08PM)
Some magic routines by Justin Miller.
But if you get the DVD you will not get my handling, my handling is what makes the method deceptive.

:)
Message: Posted by: mrdane (May 7, 2012 09:25PM)
Just completed my purchase!

Also, is there another way to contact you besides PM as your box is full. I might like to discuss the effect with you in the future!

Thanks Jose

-Dane
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 7, 2012 09:30PM)
[quote]
On 2012-05-07 21:35, J.Prager wrote:
Hey Dane!

If you want to learn my original handling which is a lot more deceptive than the one shown on the DVD, you can go to my website http://www.mindshocks.com and get it as a downloadable intructional video.

It is called Duplo and it will fool even the most experienced mentalists.
The card is examinable after the effect.
[/quote]

It will fool even the most experienced mentalists? Richard Osterlind, Banachek, Docc Hilford, etc. would be fooled? I'm interested in anything that can fool them. Have you performed it for them or any Mentalists we'd know and fooled them?

Thanks for the clarification.
Message: Posted by: mrdane (May 7, 2012 09:46PM)
All in all I think we should be more concerned with fooling, more importantly ENTERTAINING our lay audience rather than ourselves.

Jose, when should I expect a link to the download? I will be reviewing it for other curious Café members!
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 7, 2012 10:33PM)
[quote]
On 2012-05-07 22:30, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-05-07 21:35, J.Prager wrote:
Hey Dane!

If you want to learn my original handling which is a lot more deceptive than the one shown on the DVD, you can go to my website http://www.mindshocks.com and get it as a downloadable intructional video.

It is called Duplo and it will fool even the most experienced mentalists.
The card is examinable after the effect.
[/quote]

It will fool even the most experienced mentalists? Richard Osterlind, Banachek, Docc Hilford, etc. would be fooled? I'm interested in anything that can fool them. Have you performed it for them or any Mentalists we'd know and fooled them?

Thanks for the clarification.
[/quote]

I assure you that I have performed it for some of the most experienced mentalists, they had no clue.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (May 7, 2012 11:29PM)
I'm a bit confused, Jose. Its YOUR effect but YOUR handling isn't included on the DVD?

I'm glad I held off purchasing this when I was eyeing it at Tannen's. I love your thinking - but if its not YOU on the DVD I don't think I'd want it, really.
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 7, 2012 11:58PM)
[quote]
On 2012-05-08 00:29, illusioneer wrote:
I'm a bit confused, Jose. Its YOUR effect but YOUR handling isn't included on the DVD?

I'm glad I held off purchasing this when I was eyeing it at Tannen's. I love your thinking - but if its not YOU on the DVD I don't think I'd want it, really.
[/quote]

That is right my friend it is my effect but my handling does not appear on the DVD!
Sounds weird but it is true.
Message: Posted by: mrdane (May 8, 2012 12:05AM)
..anxiously awaiting
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 8, 2012 09:08AM)
David Regal speaks:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=438940&forum=218&159&start=150
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 16, 2012 03:43PM)
The WP boys didn't like it.
Message: Posted by: migwar (May 16, 2012 04:27PM)
WPR Was a strange demo, Is that routine really on the DVD? It just seemed really impractical to use to £10 and a £5 note to demo the effect. They do say it can be used on other materials but the notion of using notes to write on seemed just well odd.
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 16, 2012 04:34PM)
They used it with notes to show how it can be used with any type of paper (even bills).

:)

Grab Duplo from my site if you don't like it I will refund your money.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (May 16, 2012 09:02PM)
Is it just me or does it seem like you are disowning Sync? Jose, why wouldn't you put your own handling on the project? I have released DVD versions of some of my downloads, but then I take downloads off my site. This all just seems a bit strange...
Message: Posted by: Prager (May 16, 2012 09:08PM)
I had no control over the production of the DVD.
I just had the chance to see the final product and I was shocked when I realized that my handling was not included.
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 6, 2012 09:21AM)
I just received it, interesting stuff, good tool in the mentalist arsenal.
My only one complain is I receive from papercrane a red sharpie...
I think they should say they send you an unusual color...
So, warning for futur buyer, ask when you order it to receive a more logical color!
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Dec 2, 2012 08:29AM)
Jose: I'm on the fence here and very confused. So help me clear this up. If we buy "SYNC" we must also dig in our wallets for another $20.00 for your download of preferred handling that was mistakenly not out on the dvd? Would it not be reasonable to include that as a free download so that we do not need to purchase 2 products for SYNC to be performed the way that you recommend? Won't most people want to get a refund for SYNC and just hold on to your demo anyways if it's better? This will be my first purchase from you and I hope Im happy. But if you're not happy with the handling on the DVD (compared to your own) than many others may not be as well. Or am I wrong and the download is completely free and I missed that? Which would make make the most sense since it's your effects, your release and your preferred handling. When Sanders put out Extreme Burn 2.0, he didn't ask his buyers who hadn't bought Extreme burn 1 to go buy it for an optimal performance, he just added it to his upgraded dvd. Thus, I understand that your preferred handling for your effect somehow was left out, I suppose a mishap on the part of you and your crew. But I mean, should that be our fault? Why should we have to pay for that mishap?

Not digging .. just curious? I really want to buy this but I'd obviously want the preferred handling without the extra cost.

Your response is both helpful and appreciated!!

By the way: SYNC is 83% off (just under $5.00) today in the coolbox @ penguinmagic.com. So if Jose can clear this issue up I'm sure many will be pressing the "add to cart". I personally will not until I know I don't need to spend another $20.00 for it to be the most effective handling.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Dec 2, 2012 09:42AM)
The DVD has everything you need

The Download offer's alternative handling/ Presentation idea's

You can still use the DVD package without
the download (I actually paid the full price for this when it came out)

So for $4.95 I would call this the Penguin Deal of the Week
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Dec 2, 2012 10:02AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-02 10:42, Martin.Lester wrote:
The DVD has everything you need

The Download offer's alternative handling/ Presentation idea's

You can still use the DVD package without
the download (I actually paid the full price for this when it came out)

So for $4.95 I would call this the Penguin Deal of the Week
[/quote]


Jose says he prefers his handling as it is more effective/better routine and is "shocked" it's not on this DVD. You say the DVD has everything I need. Does it have what Jose is speaking of?
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Dec 2, 2012 10:04AM)
And yes .. a duper deal indeed! I picked one up anyways. But I would still like to get the most out of it and that seems to be achievable with another download it download purchase it seems. But thank you Martin .. you're starting to relieve me a bit.
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Dec 2, 2012 10:06AM)
Sorry: Duper = Super :) Wow. I swear I'm literate! lol Guess first coffee of the day is required for further posts
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 6, 2012 10:29PM)
I have sync. it is really an excellent DVD. Justim Miller does have a different handling than the original, but he describes the original and why the difference, and it is really far superior. I think the trailer is still an old handling. the new handling is done right in front of the spectator and it could be video taped and you would see nothing unusual. It is really strong. also, Justin describes a few other altenative ways to use the method. In particular, he has a routine with pennies that is just awesome!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 11, 2013 08:58PM)
I am selling my sync in the "for sale or trade" section of the forum.

I have so much magic I just have to clear up some room or I'll have to move into the dog house.. literally.

If anyone is interested:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=524940&forum=76
Message: Posted by: Justin N. Miller (Sep 12, 2013 04:14AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-06 23:29, 1KJ wrote:
I have sync. it is really an excellent DVD. Justim Miller does have a different handling than the original, but he describes the original and why the difference, and it is really far superior. I think the trailer is still an old handling. the new handling is done right in front of the spectator and it could be video taped and you would see nothing unusual. It is really strong. also, Justin describes a few other altenative ways to use the method. In particular, he has a routine with pennies that is just awesome!
[/quote]

I am especially proud of the penny effect myself, glad you like it as well!
JM