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Topic: Emotional Intelligence - Luke Jermay
Message: Posted by: theamazingryan (Feb 18, 2012 11:33AM)
I'm sure this has been posted about before, but I couldn't find anything with search (maybe I'm using it wrong)

I have a number of grievances but I only want to voice one in particular. I think there's a natural mental disconnect that a volunteer is going to experience when you ask them to think about a deeply personal emotion and then hand them a deck of 7 preselected emotions and ask that they choose one. It's not organic, and it feels like the machinery of a trick. It's like saying "Think of someone in your life with whom you have an emotional connection named either Dave, Sarah, Bob or Sally."
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Feb 19, 2012 07:34AM)
Never had that problem, maybe come at it from a different angle?

I didn't even spot that when learning the effect, then performed it and it didn't come up. I did change it slightly to fit in with another effect so maybe I lost it there.

If you can get it right I think this is very strong, turned a few skeptics on my side with this
Message: Posted by: thecharlatan (Feb 19, 2012 08:23AM)
I too have performed it for skeptics and found it to be very convincing to them.

it doesn't take much original thinking to do away with the cards completely.
Message: Posted by: theamazingryan (Feb 19, 2012 01:03PM)
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On 2012-02-19 09:23, thecharlatan wrote:
I too have performed it for skeptics and found it to be very convincing to them.

it doesn't take much original thinking to do away with the cards completely.
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I feel like this routine depends so much on classic methods that if you lose the cards you can't even call it the same routine.
Message: Posted by: Boo de Hoop (Feb 20, 2012 08:23AM)
If you don't feel comfortable with the method, don’t do the trick. Sometimes a method is good for one performer, but not for another one. (I hope you understand what I mean. It’s hard to explain in English.)
Message: Posted by: thecharlatan (Feb 20, 2012 02:39PM)
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On 2012-02-19 14:03, theamazingryan wrote:
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On 2012-02-19 09:23, thecharlatan wrote:
I too have performed it for skeptics and found it to be very convincing to them.

it doesn't take much original thinking to do away with the cards completely.
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I feel like this routine depends so much on classic methods that if you lose the cards you can't even call it the same routine.

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then call it something different! as long as it works...
Message: Posted by: theinternetguru (Feb 20, 2012 05:05PM)
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On 2012-02-18 12:33, theamazingryan wrote:
I'm sure this has been posted about before, but I couldn't find anything with search (maybe I'm using it wrong)

I have a number of grievances but I only want to voice one in particular. I think there's a natural mental disconnect that a volunteer is going to experience when you ask them to think about a deeply personal emotion and then hand them a deck of 7 preselected emotions and ask that they choose one. It's not organic, and it feels like the machinery of a trick. It's like saying "Think of someone in your life with whom you have an emotional connection named either Dave, Sarah, Bob or Sally."
[/quote]Not following you whatsoever on this. The cards are labeled with the 7 typical categories used in cold reading. They are intended to cover the gamut of human desires and concerns (successfully or not). Asking someone to pick a card which resonates with something currently on their minds is nothing like picking from a short list of names. Luke's routine succeeds and is powerful because it is, as others have noted, built on classic principles in mentalism. Not sure what your grievance is -- this DVD is a gem for someone starting out.
Message: Posted by: theamazingryan (Feb 20, 2012 10:46PM)
I guess I just don't get it. I'm just starting out myself and I didn't take much away from it that I hadn't already read in corinda. That would be fine if there was something to learn from the performances but I found the performances to be pretty awful tbh and I'm surprised it gets as much praise here as it does. Personal preferences I suppose.
Message: Posted by: John C (Feb 21, 2012 08:12AM)
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On 2012-02-20 23:46, theamazingryan wrote:
I guess I just don't get it. I'm just starting out myself and I didn't take much away from it that I hadn't already read in corinda. That would be fine if there was something to learn from the performances but I found the performances to be pretty awful tbh and I'm surprised it gets as much praise here as it does. Personal preferences I suppose.
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Leave it alone for a while. Come back to it after more experience with mentalism and performing mentalism.
Message: Posted by: thecharlatan (Feb 23, 2012 12:14PM)
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On 2012-02-21 09:12, johncesta wrote:
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On 2012-02-20 23:46, theamazingryan wrote:
I guess I just don't get it. I'm just starting out myself and I didn't take much away from it that I hadn't already read in corinda. That would be fine if there was something to learn from the performances but I found the performances to be pretty awful tbh and I'm surprised it gets as much praise here as it does. Personal preferences I suppose.
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Leave it alone for a while. Come back to it after more experience with mentalism and performing mentalism.
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well put. an effect that is only as good as the performers cold reading.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Feb 23, 2012 06:49PM)
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On 2012-02-20 23:46, theamazingryan wrote:
I guess I just don't get it. I'm just starting out myself and I didn't take much away from it that I hadn't already read in corinda. That would be fine if there was something to learn from the performances but I found the performances to be pretty awful tbh and I'm surprised it gets as much praise here as it does. Personal preferences I suppose.
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Lukes performances on EI are great lessons in themselves. If you listen to the way he feeds back information, you can learn a lot from them. Take Johns advice and come back to it when you have more experience. Right now you don't know the subtleties to look for but that will come as you progress. It's the subtleties that elevate it from a trick to a real demonstration of mindreading :)

best
Sean
Message: Posted by: TJ Halford (Feb 24, 2012 09:14AM)
I just got this routine myself back in Dec., and its been a couple of weeks since I have sat and watched it, so I could be mistaken, but I think the way you are describing is a little out of order. I believe instead of having them think of a memory and then limiting it by then selecting an emotion, I believe he has them select an emotion THEN think of ANY memory related to that emotion. small change but makes a world of difference logically
Message: Posted by: Olympic Adam (Feb 26, 2012 12:07PM)
TJ is correct from my memory

a lot of things are based on original ideas, this is good because it shows you in a more modern way than some of corinda how to actually use it in a safe way

it helped me get from knowing methods to putting them into action, in a simple way
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Feb 26, 2012 05:27PM)
You have them LINK a memory to the card they selected AFTER they choose the card
Message: Posted by: Mind illusionist (Mar 2, 2012 01:41AM)
Agreed with TJ, this effect can play huge when performed well. Ive had people full out swearing and great reactions with just the first phase of E.I. I try to cold read and then tell the spectator what I am visualizing their actual memory to be, when correct this of course is pretty much pure mind reading to the specs, and they totally forget about that cards at that point.
Message: Posted by: LukeBrady (Mar 18, 2012 03:34PM)
This is one of those effects you really don't know its true power until after you perform it but one of Jermay's best!
Message: Posted by: Philliparthur360 (Mar 23, 2012 08:47PM)
That's why the patter about "When you go to get a psychic reading, these are the topics they will always always read you about" comes in such handy. It's okay to run a little "debunking" monologue as you perform. You can explain why THE SCAM is used and how it relates to faux psychics. Good luck with this one! It's a beauty. ;)
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Mar 24, 2012 03:46AM)
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On 2012-02-20 23:46, theamazingryan wrote:
I guess I just don't get it. I'm just starting out myself and I didn't take much away from it that I hadn't already read in corinda. That would be fine if there was something to learn from the performances but I found the performances to be pretty awful tbh and I'm surprised it gets as much praise here as it does. Personal preferences I suppose.
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Maxbe it's because you're a beginner and don't mastering/understand and tried what you have seen ( I don't write learned as you see...)
Message: Posted by: insight (Mar 24, 2012 05:56AM)
But it's also important to think about effects that can play huge even when NOT performed well.

Regards,
Mike

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On 2012-03-02 02:41, Mind illusionist wrote:
Agreed with TJ, this effect can play huge when performed well. Ive had people full out swearing and great reactions with just the first phase of E.I. I try to cold read and then tell the spectator what I am visualizing their actual memory to be, when correct this of course is pretty much pure mind reading to the specs, and they totally forget about that cards at that point.
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Message: Posted by: RichardShure (Aug 25, 2012 07:40AM)
There are elements in the routine that have merit, however, the routine itself is lacking and has multiple issues.

Looking at the beginning of the routine Luke asks about anyone who has had a psychic reading. People raise their hands and then he basically tells them that they are idiots for going to a psychic. Then tells them that he is better than any psychic. The basic problem with is is two-fold. One, anyone who has had a positive experience with a psychic reading would be a great person to use for a psychic routine, so why turn them against you by telling them everything is fake. (this would be different if the whole idea of the performance was about frauds, fakes...etc But, this is not, it is supposidly an entertainment routine. Two: Why would you every want to belittle or chastise your audience? He was quite condescending in his attitude as he interviewed the audience.

His explanations of how and why a psychic readers would or do perform is a bit muddled. In the beginning of the dialog, I’m not sure what he is trying to tell the audience, other than he is an expert and everyone else is (psychics) are hacks.

Also, looking at his dress was confusing. His dress looked one step above a homeless person. His cod-piece/belt buckle was distracting to the eye. His dress (or lack of it) simply distracted from his message that he is an expert (in anything). There are younger people who will think this dirty/grimy image is kind of hip, however, to older people he simply looks disheveled and filthy.

His explanation of what people want to hear about in a psychic reading was very good. I thought this was an interesting and created a strong hook. However, why were the cards not ready? He wrote on them while talking/interviewing the audience. This looked rude. Don’t ask me a question and while I’m answering busily write on cards. Looks like you don’t really give a rat’s patootie what I have to say to your question.

His first revelation was anti-climatic because, he negated everything that makes this kind of presentation fun, intriguing, and exciting. Because his whole reason for performing this effect is to show everyone that psychic readers are evil, he turned this into nothing more than a card trick with 7 cards. They picked card “D”. You told them they picked card “D”. Not very exciting, as noted by the lack of applause by the audience.

His spectator does the mind reading fell flat as well, for many reasons that I don’t want to go into in an open forum…but it was poorly handled and it was evident by the failure witnessed on the video. I could only wonder…why wouldn’t you shoot this again?

The last phase was (as it should be) the most impressive. Using a basic/classic mentalism trick he predicts the answers to a handful of questions. However, this did not play as impressive as it should since he confused the audience by saying everything is fake and then playing it as if he were real. These kinds of exposes are confusing to the audience. I say…make up your mind, either be a performer and pander to the audience’s expectations – or – play the role of a researcher/scientist and expose and reveal the fraudulent mediums as you see it.

The I’m going to save people role typically plays flat because people want to believe, they have had experience in their lives that tell them this kind of stuff could be real, or they just want to be entertained and not educated.

Ryan, the answer you are looking for: His script needs work yes…but he outlines the 7 subjects that a person is generally interested in hearing about…that is where the emphasis needs to be…Mr. Jermay was all over the map at the beginning of the routine which created your and some of the confusion for the audience.
Message: Posted by: TJ Halford (Aug 26, 2012 08:48AM)
You make some very good points there. most of which are the same reasons I prefer to use the alternate handling method described on the dvd.
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 26, 2012 01:34PM)
RichardShure

What does his dress have to do with anything. Perhaps this is what helps him with his success. He wouldn't look good in a three piece suit would he?

This is a demo. I think we have to acknowledge Luke's success. What ever got him there and keeps him there is what we have to accept, certainly can't deny it.

Look at Keith Richards. He dresses like a gypsy. He is a gypsy. He works out of a trunk. Clothing isn't his strong suit, it's playing guitar and writing songs and we'll have to accept his success as well. Perhaps one day you may see him on an off gig. Still have to accept and acknowledge his success overall.

It's these character traits that make a performer who he/she is.

Luke is offering you his routine. Now you can take it and make it incredible. You don't have to wear a crummy belt buckle or dress as a homeless person. You can dress anyway you want. You don't have to explain these things like he did you can explain them in your wonderful, exquisite prophetic way. He offers a template. Do you like the template? Use it. Don't like it, change it around.

I think it's cool. I may even dress homeless and perform for homeless. But the tats I can do without.

I like this routine alot. It's one of the best items I've purchased from Luke.

John
Message: Posted by: John C (Aug 26, 2012 01:36PM)
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On 2012-03-18 16:34, LukeBrady wrote:
This is one of those effects you really don't know its true power until after you perform it but one of Jermay's best!
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you are so right on this Luke.
Message: Posted by: theinternetguru (Aug 28, 2012 12:00AM)
What Luke offers here is invaluable for someone looking to string several simple, organic effects together into a coherent routine. You can set up a rather impressive performance using just some business cards, and extend it with cold reading. No expensive electronics required. I seriously doubt he intends his quirky dress, accent, and dialogue to be taken as essential. The man has a tremendous stage presence and people enjoy watching him. But there isn't much to be gained (for most of us) trying to mimic that part of his performance. Stick to the routine itself.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Aug 28, 2012 07:44AM)
Reviews start on page 2 of this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=261648&forum=111&start=0
Message: Posted by: Slim King (May 12, 2015 08:19PM)
This is the WORST DVD I've ever purchased....If you want one I'll sell you mine. Be prepared ... He calls little ol' tea leaf readers SCUMBAGS!!!!! He says the majority of all readers are SCUM. Then he says he's much better than all of them by doing a revelation from 7 marked cards..... Really???????
I've never seen a "reader" use business cards and limit their reading to 7 emotions.... So how could Luke Jermay be better than them if that's NOT WHAT THEY DO?
This would make me ROTHLMAO if it wasn't so offensive.
There are less than 20 people in the audience, so you can see the overall popularity of this performer.
It's pretty low to call old ladies and tarot card readers SCUM over and over again... (then say "I'm better than them ad infinitum") I found it 100% distasteful.
If you don't care .. then I'll sell you this fiasco for $15.....
Luke has my number ... He can call me or reply here if he disagrees ..... I can't believe he is selling a fortune telling book using playing cards and now tarot after calling all these people SCUM ...
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (May 12, 2015 09:50PM)
Slim, I will buy it. I'm not being a smart tail. You offered. Where I can send the money? I love Jermay's work, but won't debate you on your point. I realize that when a man feels something, he just feels it. Peace, and when are you going to Roshambo me?
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (May 12, 2015 11:14PM)
I think this is a wonderful DVD and very powerful routine. Luke shows about 3 or 4 different performances of it ranging from stage to close up. It showcases just how powerful the "one @&$!d" is.

It's clear that you have some problems with Luke (which is fine). However, I don't think anyone could argue his success and wonderful showmanship, and the lessons that are to be learned from that alone (of which can be seen on this exact DVD. Luke has brought some amazing things to our art and we should all be very thankful for that.

His recent Penguin lecture was simply one of the best.

All the best,
Matthew
Message: Posted by: Ulrich (May 13, 2015 07:00AM)
Very good quality DVD, good tips on reading.

Slim should finally chill out a bit, he is starting to ridicule himself.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (May 13, 2015 06:56PM)
I would never support anyone who calls little old ladies SCUMBAGS .....
I have no problem with Luke other than him disrespecting peoples belief systems and saying "I just do it better" every other sentence. Besides .. He doesn't...... The most unimpressive DVD I've ever paid for.
I will give you the contact information and donate the money to my favorite pub. :cheers:

Red Devil .. Do you have Session beer in your area?
Message: Posted by: RedDevil (May 13, 2015 07:28PM)
In Atlanta, GA??! Come up and find out on my tab...I would consider it a treat and an honor, Slim...Just message me on facebook, and I will send you your beverage fee...
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (May 14, 2015 09:30AM)
[quote]On May 13, 2015, Slim King wrote:
I would never support anyone who calls little old ladies SCUMBAGS .....
I have no problem with Luke other than him disrespecting peoples belief systems and saying "I just do it better" every other sentence. Besides .. He doesn't...... The most unimpressive DVD I've ever paid for.
I will give you the contact information and donate the money to my favorite pub. :cheers:

Red Devil .. Do you have Session beer in your area? [/quote]

Dave:

I reviewed this product when it came out, and was less than happy with my purchase.

But during the recent Penguin lecture in his conversation with Dan, Luke commented on that period of his life, and it cast the whole thing in a new light. Also, EI was filmed when he was still in his early/mid twenties. People grow and mature, thoughts change. I know I am not the same person I was, when I was in my twenties.

Tony
Message: Posted by: Slim King (May 14, 2015 12:25PM)
I totally understand Tony. Several of my friends were raving about Luke. I'd had dealings with him before and I wasn't impressed, so I purchased the first DVD I saw in the for sale section here on the Café. When I watched it I was stunned no one had taken Luke to task for calling all of these little old ladies SCUMBAGS!!!!! Plus there was absolutely nothing new on the DVD .. In addition the Cold Reading was horrid. There were only 20 people at the most in the audience and I thought the entire thing as low budget as you could get if you were videoing one of your prize pieces. Seven marked cards with pre-selected emotions ... And then during the reading part he fumbled and muddled around to get the emotion .. as if we didn't know that HE"D written them down himself and there were only SEVEN of them to remember ... just amateurish at best.

Psychic readers don't guess what is on written cards! That's not what they do.

So how is Luke Jermay doing ANYTHING better than a Psychic Reader????... They don't do marked card tricks.....

And thanks for your post Tony!!!!
Message: Posted by: John C (May 15, 2015 09:05PM)
LUKE is Luke. Take his what you do like with his awesome strengths. I love the guy. I respect the guy. I don't like everything but none of use like everything about everyone.

I support him by purchasing his stuff. I don't use it all. I use some but the thinking is what I like to see.
Message: Posted by: ReaderOfThought (May 22, 2015 03:33PM)
I enjoyed EI... Luke's way of thinking has definitely helped me progress in the right direction, I think. I got a great deal from the DVD. It's been a while since I watched it and performed EI but it's definitely in my arsenal.
Message: Posted by: CL (May 24, 2015 03:41PM)
HI ReaderofThought. I agree completely with your view. It's an oldie but goodie!
Message: Posted by: r1chyoung (May 28, 2015 08:15PM)
You can listen to a free 1 hour interview with Luke Jermay on this weeks episode of The Magicians' Podcast (episode 26) in any of these places:

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-magicians-podcast/id932102286?mt=2

Podbean: http://magicianspodcast.podbean.com

Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-magicians-podcast

I hope you enjoy it.

Richard Young
Creator and Host of The Magicians' Podcast
Message: Posted by: Gerry Hennessey (May 29, 2015 07:17PM)
Excellent interview with Mr.Jermay. Very well done.