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Topic: Bamberg Lady from Light
Message: Posted by: Benjamagic (Feb 21, 2012 08:43AM)
Hi,

Does anyone have any suggestions/ideas/recommendations of the Bamberg Lady from Light found in GREATER MAGIC?

-Ben
Message: Posted by: makeupguy (Feb 21, 2012 09:31AM)
Can you be more specific? These are vague questions that would take volumes to answer, and our suggestions/ideas/recommendations may not help you.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 21, 2012 09:57AM)
I think Ben is posting in response to my suggestion on another of his threads. He was asking about a Shadow Box and I mentioned the Bamberg version from Greater Magic.

Ben,

You should try to invest in this book and get that info first hand. But I suspect that the basic concept for this illusion is somewhere among the many Osborne illusion plans. There is no B/A involved. It is a framework box with the front being hinged as a door, and one other place on the box that is gimmicked (easily made). The illusion fits on a simple thin plywood base with feet and/or casters. The top should have a simple brace that can hold the light.

Be aware that this has a very large footprint. The base can easily be 4' x 4'. This will take up a lot of floor space both onstage and backstage. But, everything can be made to break down flat for transport or storage.

When I built mine, I was fortunate enough to find frames made from square steel tubing that all bolted together into a cube. I added wooden frames within these that allowed me to staple on the paper, add the hinged door, etc. I later decided to use white fabric for all the panels except the front which was consumable at each performance. It was replaced each time with a large section of butcher paper.

~michael
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Feb 21, 2012 11:07AM)
Osborne has two plans out for the Shadow Box, and I believe they also appear in his Classic Magic series. The Pendragons also spend time on this illusion in their series of DVD's.

B
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Feb 21, 2012 12:33PM)
My suggestion is the same as I posted in your other thread- follow your own plan and don't be an imitator. Your idea is sound and in rehearsal you will learn to make it better.
Message: Posted by: magicjohn2278 (Feb 23, 2012 07:09AM)
While a copy "Greater Magic" may be difficult to find, (Although I do have one kicking around somewhere!) from Michael's description, there is a similar illusion in one of the Tarbell books.

Beware though, that this was one of the first "big" illusions that I built (years ago) and there is a serious flaw in the Tarbell design!

Suggest that if you decide to make one, you knock up a rough prototype first! I think that you will see exactly what I mean!
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Feb 23, 2012 02:57PM)
Not so serious- Tarbell just forgot to mention the staging for counter-balance. But the problem goes away when you do away with the platform and just set the box directly on the floor. If you perform an illusion like my "Shadow Carton" on a large stage and want to dispell theories about trapdoors, have a solid platform the audience can see beneath and perform on that. It can even be as simple as a sheet of plywood on cinderblocks.
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Feb 23, 2012 04:25PM)
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On 2012-02-23 08:09, magicjohn2278 wrote:
While a copy "Greater Magic" may be difficult to find, (Although I do have one kicking around somewhere!) from Michael's description, there is a similar illusion in one of the Tarbell books.

Beware though, that this was one of the first "big" illusions that I built (years ago) and there is a serious flaw in the Tarbell design!

Suggest that if you decide to make one, you knock up a rough prototype


first! I think that you will see exactly what I mean!
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If you want to build this version of the Shadow Box I would try to find a copy of VHS/DVD of International Magicians Society's MAGIC ACADEMY course in magic volume 49-- Grand Illusions 4.
It shows the prop close up with dimentions,and shows how the trap works.
Message: Posted by: magicjohn2278 (Feb 24, 2012 07:16AM)
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On 2012-02-23 15:57, Spellbinder wrote:
Not so serious- Tarbell just forgot to mention the staging for counter-balance. But the problem goes away when you do away with the platform and just set the box directly on the floor. If you perform an illusion like my "Shadow Carton" on a large stage and want to dispell theories about trapdoors, have a solid platform the audience can see beneath and perform on that. It can even be as simple as a sheet of plywood on cinderblocks.
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Actually, the flaw that I discovered was the thing at the back of the cabinet. Once the girl is inside, there is no longer enough room for it to work!
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 24, 2012 08:51AM)
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On 2012-02-24 08:16, magicjohn2278 wrote:
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On 2012-02-23 15:57, Spellbinder wrote:
Not so serious- Tarbell just forgot to mention the staging for counter-balance. But the problem goes away when you do away with the platform and just set the box directly on the floor. If you perform an illusion like my "Shadow Carton" on a large stage and want to dispell theories about trapdoors, have a solid platform the audience can see beneath and perform on that. It can even be as simple as a sheet of plywood on cinderblocks.
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Actually, the flaw that I discovered was the thing at the back of the cabinet. Once the girl is inside, there is no longer enough room for it to work!
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When I made mine, I changed that aspect so it operated with a double horizontal axis, rather than a single vertical one. (does that make sense?)
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Feb 24, 2012 09:24AM)
Saloon doors. Perfect sense.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 24, 2012 11:02AM)
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On 2012-02-24 10:24, Spellbinder wrote:
Saloon doors. Perfect sense.
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That would give you a line of separation. Mine was still a single panel.
Message: Posted by: magicjohn2278 (Feb 24, 2012 11:26AM)
... I ended up remaking the back with a roller blind affair. - Sides were material also.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 24, 2012 12:57PM)
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On 2012-02-24 12:26, magicjohn2278 wrote:
... I ended up remaking the back with a roller blind affair. - Sides were material also.
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That's a good idea. I eventually re-fitted mine with fabric on all panels, except the front. Fewer accidents with fewer replacements. I wish I still had the prop.
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Feb 24, 2012 06:38PM)
The M Magician also exposed this illusion on Magic Biggest Secrets Revealed--I think the very first one. It used a cloth flap not a trap.
Message: Posted by: magicjohn2278 (Feb 27, 2012 07:52AM)
Incidentally, mine was made with a "slide-out shelf" at the back to keep the footprint of the platform to a minimum. It's only 6" wider than the box all around. Added considerably to the weight because of the construction, but I wouldn't have been able to accommodate it otherwise.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 27, 2012 08:29AM)
I've seen that feature on some designs. I was not aware of the idea when I made mine. I guess the advantage mine had was the base was merely 1" thick. The legs were about 10" high and tapered from about 8" at the top, to about 4" at the bottom, plus the casters. The four legs, the corded light fixture, and a bag of bolts fit in one box, while the base, frames, and corner wings stacked relatively flat along the side wall in my van. It was quite large when assembled, but traveled well. I designed a few of my illusions to be travel-friendly. I also made a flash appearance/backdrop set that only took up 6" along the van wall, but the assembled footprint was large enough that I could have produced a small horse in it! Big show on stage, small show in my home!
Message: Posted by: dusty (Mar 23, 2012 08:53AM)
I have a shadow box with flight case for sale if anyone is interested, email me at dustymagic@btinternet.com or PM me if you prefer. I am open to offers. UK only as this is a very heavy prop and case.

Video clip showing the type I am selling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVqKTIM6Rk&feature=related