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Topic: Steel core coins vs Magnetic?
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 8, 2012 10:28AM)
Hey guys,

I'm completely new to playing with shimmed coins and was wanting some input on the pros and cons of using either steel core coins vs magnetic coins?

I'm looking to add a few simple coin vanish effects for my close-up routines using my PK ring or a magnet concealed inside my coat pocket. Does anyone have any input? Also, can anyone suggest a resource that has some inexpensive coins that I could pick up?

Thanks in advance, fellas!
Message: Posted by: rklew64 (Apr 8, 2012 11:42AM)
Part of me would like to share the distinctions between the 2 and part of me would like to see you gain the experience and insight so that you can answer your own question.
I choose the latter please.
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 8, 2012 01:08PM)
Well, clearly the distinction is that one is gaffed with a magnet, while the other one is clearly an un-magnetized steel core coin that would stick to a magnet. All I'm asking for are some simple pro's and con's on the usage and maneuverability of each. I'm not asking for you to expose any routines or techniques nor am I asking for a routine or technique. I'm just requesting friendly insight.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Apr 8, 2012 03:13PM)
It depends On what you are going to use it for! :) But if you Are just going to be loading it on and off A magnetic Hold out. I would Get A steal core coin! they Sound better!( Or the ones I have got From Lassen DO anyway!:)) And you don't have to remember What side You need to have It on to make it stick to the hold out! And for me anyway That's the best part, Less Stuff to Remember! :)
Message: Posted by: Bob Magic (Apr 8, 2012 07:14PM)
And then there is the matter of polarity. A steel core has no polarity but if you should have the wrong side of magnetic coin come in contact with your PK Ring it will be repelled instead of attracted and this could be embarrassing. Since you already have the ring, there is no advantage with a magnetic coin and the steel core is cheaper. Go with the steel core..

-Bob
Message: Posted by: Romano911 (Apr 8, 2012 07:57PM)
Regarding a source for steel (or magnetic) coins, I have been happy with the Kennedy half dollar gaffs I purchased from Johnson -- reasonably priced and indistinguishable from ungaffed coins. I think their coins are available both at various retailers as well as directly from them.
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 8, 2012 08:59PM)
You guys are AWESOME!

I totally forgot to consider the polarity issue with the PK ring. David and Bob's suggestions for a steel coin over the magnetic coin is well informed and helpful. Thanks guys!

Romano- I'll check out Tannen's here in NYC tomorrow and see what they have in stock.

Thanks again, guys! :)
Message: Posted by: tony555 (Apr 9, 2012 10:29AM)
Little bit of info the english 10p piece dated 2011 or above are now steel core, similar to the english 2p coin, I also believe the 5p coin above 2011 is the same.

Tony555
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 9, 2012 11:11AM)
Tony - That's just standard for those coins now? If so, that's GREAT! Except, I'm in the US but I'm sure I can track a few down from my friends over in the UK.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Apr 9, 2012 03:45PM)
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On 2012-04-08 20:14, Bob Magic wrote:
And then there is the matter of polarity. A steel core has no polarity but if you should have the wrong side of magnetic coin come in contact with your PK Ring it will be repelled instead of attracted and this could be embarrassing.
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Or the trick simply changes from a vanish to a telekinesis demonstration. :)
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Apr 9, 2012 05:01PM)
Also, magnetic coins will stick to EACH OTHER, while the shims will not. Troy Hooser has some nice work on magnetic coins in his new book, Moments, exploring the point that a stack of magnetics act, in essence, like they are in a clip.
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 9, 2012 09:28PM)
Well, I decided to jump in and buy one of each to experiment with. I have an idea for a routine involving both, so I hope it works as planned.

I'm just looking to do some quick coin vanishes to close some other coin tricks I use in my close up repertoire.

Thanks for everyone's input!
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Apr 9, 2012 11:25PM)
Your welcome! :) Let us know how it goes! :)
Message: Posted by: drewski (Apr 15, 2012 06:58PM)
Just got my steel and magnetic coins a few days ago. Been playing around with them and it seems that the magnetic coin isn't as strong as I had hoped for. It may just be the manufacturing of the coin itself.

I got a great idea from Magick over at Fantasma yesterday when he suggested using my wallet chain to ditch the magnetic coin. Been messing with that a bit and seeing what I can get away with.

Thanks again to everyone who contributed help!
Message: Posted by: Calvin Tong (Apr 20, 2012 12:50AM)
Looks like you will need a real strong magnetic hold out for your back pocket now. :o)

watch out for the polarities. :o)
Message: Posted by: BuddhaStephy (Apr 20, 2012 02:28PM)
Have you checked out the Subterfuge Magic System? It combines the best of both worlds- polarity isn't an issue, no fragile PK ring, no clink, no clothing requirments, no strings, no pulls, and you can use magnetic and steel core coins. If you have any questions let me know.

http://www.preceptmagic.com/product/subterfuge-magic-system
Message: Posted by: john oleson (Apr 24, 2012 03:33PM)
Good suggestion, BuddhaStephy!

Anyone know where to get just the ring/s featured in the SMS?

johno from tropical Michigan
Message: Posted by: BuddhaStephy (Apr 24, 2012 06:16PM)
Thank you John :)
You can buy the ring individually in all 3 sizes from Precept Magic's website. You can also buy each individual piece of the system as well for those who need multiples for their effects.

http://www.preceptmagicshop.com/servlet/the-New/Categories
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Apr 26, 2012 10:00AM)
The Subterfuge Magic System sounds like a good bet to me. I like where they go with this...

That said, I can use both mag and steel cores. There are so many uses for each...I don't know where to begin. Okay, the steel core coins...GREAT for use with the Raven! Chuck Leach has made some improvements and has some Raven accessories now:

http://www.chazpro.com/servlet/StoreFront

The magnetic coins, let's see...OK! Mike Gallo has a GREAT routine using four mag halves! It's on the NY Coin Magic Seminar series. Not sure which volume at the moment.

Steel core coins vs Magnetic? I'd say BOTH! :)

Doug
Message: Posted by: tony555 (May 5, 2012 01:43PM)
HI For info in the UK the 10p piece dated 2012 and future coins are steel core. Now that's a bonus.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (May 5, 2012 07:27PM)
Agen It all depends on what you are using then For? For Just a vanish I would use a steal coin! Less to Remember ! :)