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Topic: Vietnamese Guy Exposing Magic Secrets
Message: Posted by: guerrestellari (Apr 25, 2012 08:46PM)
Hi Folks,

Anyone came across a Vietnamese guy on youtube exposing magic secrets with home-made props? He covered some tenyo, some magic wagon stuff.

Sometime back there was another (german?) guy with several tenyo items exposing the secrets in a series of quick moves from one trick to the next. There's crystal pyramid, mini morphosis, puzzling queen etc..

Don't want to post links cos it would just encourage unwanted attention.

Just sad why people would do that.
Message: Posted by: Izzy Jay (Apr 25, 2012 10:01PM)
Well, with some of these people their magic skills doesn't get them anywhere. So they somehow come up with this idea that exposure of magic will.
Just a thought. ;)
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 26, 2012 10:38AM)
Provide the link and all we can click on the innapropiate content button and youtube will block the video.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 27, 2012 03:46PM)
LINK PLEASE! :P (so we can downleuhhhh I mean push the innapropriate button ;))
Message: Posted by: guerrestellari (Apr 27, 2012 07:42PM)
Youtube will block it? I'm not too sure. The video has garnered 5 negatives, and its still here.

Vietnamese guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OovrujTfg4U

As for the other vid containing tenyo exposed tricks, I didn't bother to remember the link and will need a while to see if its still around..

Will keep you guys updated.
Message: Posted by: guerrestellari (Apr 27, 2012 08:00PM)
Ok, I managed to locate the german guy exposing tenyo tricks video. I suspect some of you may be aware of its existence.

I discovered it almost 2 years ago (I think), and I was taken aback by his actions.

I really hesitate to put it up here. It's quite a distasteful video.

If the members here think you want to see this, I can send you PMs.
Message: Posted by: meridianfan (Apr 29, 2012 07:59PM)
Just an idea- but maybe Angelo or Lubor or other inventors can have these videos pulled from Youtube?

John
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Mr. H (Apr 30, 2012 09:45AM)
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On 2012-04-29 20:59, meridianfan wrote:
Just an idea- but maybe Angelo or Lubor or other inventors can have these videos pulled from Youtube?

John
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Are you suggesting that the patent holder has some right to suppress anyone which exposes a method? Interesting. But, I see that as unlikely, though.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 30, 2012 10:10AM)
They won't delete the videos I believe. There are so many magic tricks exposed on Youtube and not one has been deleted as far as I know.

You buy the trick and you buy the secret. If you're dumb enough to expose the secret on Youtube it's your right because you own the secret (at least that's what I think). There is a magician's code but that's nothing official I think, you won't be put in jail for exposing magic YOU BOUGHT (not stealed of course), even if it's worth a lot.

And what with all the clumsy people performing tricks and exposing the secrets by accident? Do those videos have to be deleted too? Naah ... not a lot we can do about it I'm afraid.
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (May 1, 2012 12:08PM)
[quote]If you're dumb enough to expose the secret on Youtube it's your right because you own the secret[/quote]

I have a differing opinion. If someone buys a commercial trick, they have the right to know the secret, of course, but they don't have the (at least moral) right to expose it to the general public, for 2 reasons. One: the inventor and the manufacturer invested a great deal of money in developing, manufacturing and marketing the trick. If the trick is widely exposed, sales will plummet (who wants to buy and perform a trick that everyone knows how it's done). That effectively is stealing from people who deserve the payoff. Two: no man is an island. Many other people have paid their hard earned money for that trick, too, with the intention of either entertaining, or even earning a living, by performing it. That trick becomes worthless if the secret is widely exposed on a venue like Youtube. In fact, it used to be I would mention the name of a trick as I perform it ("and now I give you...Geometrick!) - no more. If you mention the name, after the trick they ask, "how did you do that", you smile and say "Magic!", and they respond, "Yeah, I'll just look it up on Youtube". They can do the same after just seeing a demo of a trick on Youtube. But, it's not Youtube (or the other video sites) per se, it's the inconsiderate clowns that are posting secrets they don't have a right to expose.

The inventors, unfortunately, usually don't have legal recourse because they don't seek a copyright or patent on their tricks. To do so requires filing detailed plans with the government office, which then becomes public record, for anyone to look up how the trick is done.
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (May 2, 2012 12:58AM)
The thing most disgusting about that one video showing how 10 tricks are done he didn't even show the effect first. Just ran fast as he could from one to the next to fit in 10 in 10 mins I think.
So for those that never got to experience the effect he has ruined that feeling of wonderment away from them. Those that seen it before he also ruin the magic even if that is why they watched it. More fun to try and guess how yourself sometimes you never do. Too bad youtube allows this to go on. But lots worse fish to fry on that venue. :)
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (May 2, 2012 04:27AM)
Cyberdave, I totally agree, they don't have the 'moral' right ... but morality is low with a lot of people concerning magic tricks and they can't be really 'punished' for it.
I too never mention the name of a trick by the way because people will look it up.
Message: Posted by: edshern (May 2, 2012 08:29PM)
And one more opinion;
Much ado about nothing.

Ethically wrong,yes. Legally wrong, ?
Let them post their videos. They have a tiny tiny audience.
A magicians true audience simply isn't watching these videos.
& shame on the real magicians who steals material.
Message: Posted by: guerrestellari (May 3, 2012 11:21AM)
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On 2012-05-02 01:58, MrWizard wrote:
The thing most disgusting about that one video showing how 10 tricks are done he didn't even show the effect first....
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You put into words exactly how I felt.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (May 3, 2012 01:41PM)
He's just another little turd. Forget about him.