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Topic: Rope Through Body?
Message: Posted by: Jordini (Oct 4, 2003 04:47PM)
Hi all! I saw a performer by the name of Paul Nathan perform this. He started off with the standard rope through neck trick, and then it went through his body. He said the hard part is when it gets stuck, and then the rope was passing into his body. He then took the rope and it was going in one ear and out one nostril. It looked like the rope was split in half, but I don't know the exact workings of it. Is anybody familiar with this trick?
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Oct 5, 2003 09:33AM)
It was on the market for a very short time. It was grabbed up by a few select performers before it was withdrawn from the market. Those that have it, Paul and also Jay Alexander, treasure it as a unique item which not every performer does. Surprisingly the magic community has respected that.

Both Jay and Paul have noted that the routine does not have a finish or end to it. Perhaps one reason it has not been pirated.

Tom
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Oct 29, 2003 08:15PM)
If you buy Jim Pace's [i]Tricks From My Lecture[/i] video 1997, he shows a nice rope through body after his cut and restored rope routine. Also, Henry Evans has a card sword type of effect with his tie which passes through his body and a card is seen to penetrate the tie. Neat stuff.
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Oct 29, 2003 08:39PM)
Bob Sheets also has a wonderful rope through body available on the video [i]Hang 'Em High[/i].
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Oct 29, 2003 09:18PM)
I second Whit's recommendation on Bob Sheet's Rope Thru the Body. It is a killer routine.

I saw Henry Evans do "Roped" and likewise, it is a great rope penetration. It is also commercially available.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 30, 2003 01:08AM)
I have both the Sheets and Evans (and probably the one mentioned at the top of this thread).

I have practiced the Sheets one and have done Evans' to great reaction for audiences. The latter is goofy, but I think in the right sequence could be a great bit. :pepsi:
Message: Posted by: MagiUlysses (Oct 30, 2003 08:20AM)
Greetings and Salutations,

I'll make the fourth vote for Bob Sheet's Rope Through Body. I've performed this trick a number of times and gotten great reactions every time.

I add a little something to the effect, with a set of boxers attached to the rope after it passes through my body. Those of you who know the method behind the effect can figure out how that is done.

Without the boxers the effect still works well, but I added the boxers to play off my pirate-in-drag character and kept the boxers afterward because it gives me the out I want to quickly gather up the ropes.

Get Bob's routine, you won't be disappointed. That's my $.02 (USD) worth. As always, YMMV.

Joe in KC
Live a great adventure, make magic happen!

P.S. If the boxer short addition is a new variation on the trick, remember where you got it! ;)
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Oct 30, 2003 09:59AM)
I bought Bob Sheets' routine before his video was released. It comes with instructions and a rope. I like it a lot, but the rope doesn't match the rope I use for Mongolian Pop Knot. I just found that Denny & Lee is selling the gimmicks necessay to make my own Hang 'Em High set. I should have it soon.

MagiUlysses
I don't have the Henry Evans routine but I watched a clip of it on Hocus-Pocus' site. In it, he uses the boxer shorts gag. I just thought you might want to know. Best.

Bob
Message: Posted by: MagiUlysses (Oct 30, 2003 02:28PM)
Greetings and Salutations Bob,

Thanks for the heads-up on the Henry Evans routine! I haven't seen it. Bummer, though, I thought I had finally come up with something original! ;)

Joe in KC
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 30, 2003 03:33PM)
Joe in KC, Professor Cheer's Comedy Rope, which is probably 50 years or more old, uses the boxer short bit. :kermit: :kermit: :kermit:
Message: Posted by: MagiUlysses (Oct 30, 2003 04:19PM)
Greetings and Salutations Pete,

Thanks!

I was sitting here unable to think of how and when I conceived the idea of attaching the boxers to the gimmick in the Sheet's routine. I've never seen the Professor Cheer's routine performed, but I have probably read about it somewhere, and that probably rolled around in my head when I was working with the Ropes Through the Body.

Have an excellent weekend!

Joe

Live a great adventure, make magic happen!
Message: Posted by: Dan Monroe (Nov 24, 2003 11:07PM)
I use Bob Sheets' Hang'em High and it is a killer effect. Great for stage or platform. If you want to see mouths drop open and hands clapping this is the one! :bigsmile:
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Nov 30, 2003 01:06PM)
Yes Bob Sheets trick is very good!

Sometimes I use 2 ungimmicked ropes and found my magician friends thinking I was going to use the Grandmothers necklace principal, because I've been known to use it in my show.

Boy were they fooled!

Hang 'Em High Rocks!

Johnny Mystic
Message: Posted by: Dan Monroe (Dec 1, 2003 10:44AM)
Hey Johnny Mystic,

Do you get the same reaction I do......stunned silence with mouths dropping open and then thunderous applause?

It takes a sec. for it to register.
I love that trick!!! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Jerry the Great (Dec 7, 2003 09:09AM)
Does anyone know where I might find Bob's rope through body? I know there are a lot of dealers out there and it would be helpful if someone could narrow the list for me. Thanks in advance!
:dance:
Message: Posted by: cfrye (Dec 7, 2003 05:23PM)
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On 2003-12-07 10:09, Jerry the Great wrote:
Does anyone know where I might find Bob's rope through body? [/quote]
Hang 'em High is available exclusively through Denny & Lee's, at http://www.dennymagic.com/
Message: Posted by: trickiewillie (Dec 12, 2003 11:55AM)
Another plug for Bob Sheets. Great routine and a really nice guy.

I'm sure there are lots more, but just for the record, Pavel also has a rope through body, both with and without boxers.

And somewhere in the back of my mind, I seem to remember seeing a video of Fantasio doing an easy rope through body.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Dec 12, 2003 12:52PM)
U.F. Grant had a nice Rope Through Body (published in the late 40’s) that used a single length (12 or so feet) of ungimmicked rope. The effect is usually staged with three spectators, two big men and a petite woman. The rope is wrapped around the woman. The men tug and tug and the rope tightens (painfully even!). At any given point the rope can be made to pass right through the woman’s body. Everything is left in the spectator’s hands for examination. There is nothing to find! It is a killer trick.

The Fantiso easy version is more or less a gimmick less and simpler version of Bob Sheets in terms of working and effect. The big difference is that the performer pulls the rope though his/her own body and does not use spectators holding the ends. This is the same version that Henry Evans performs on one of his new DVDs. Evans makes it a card sword trick. The rope is pulled through the body and through a deck of cards ending up with two selected cards “impaled” on the center of the rope.

For a longer routine you could perform the Conradi cut and restored rope that sets you up to perform Bob Sheets “Hang Em High”.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Dec 12, 2003 05:41PM)
Harry,
I checked through all my UF Grant booklets and can't seem to find the one you're talking about. Do you know off hand where I could find it? Also, can it be befored surrounded? It sounds like a great effect for the street. What do you think of using it in that way?

Best,
Jim
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Dec 12, 2003 06:15PM)
James, Grant published the effect in a booklet titled “Nite Club Illusions”. It was published and sold by Abbott’s Magic for a big $2.00 back in the day. The trick is the third in the booklet and is called “Cutting a woman in half”.

You might check with Abbott’s they still may have a copy laying around.

All of the tricks in the booklet were for performing with the audience sitting fairly close-up and almost surrounded (more than 180 degrees). Typical cramped nightclub venue stuff of the late 40’s and early 50’s.

The rope through body (cutting a woman in half) is a good choice for a street venue. It can be performed completely surrounded. I have played it successfully on the streets in a couple of small town festivals.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Dec 12, 2003 07:46PM)
Thanks, Harry. I think I'm going to give this a try. I think it'll be a great way to draw a crowd, and a lot of fun by play.

Jim
Message: Posted by: magictim (Dec 29, 2003 09:24AM)
I did the rope thru body effect from Mark Wilson's course in magic...when the ropes were behind my back grabbed the wrong two..needless to say the first attempt in rope sawing was painful for me. I learned a hard lesson from that performance.
Message: Posted by: Dan Monroe (Jan 15, 2004 09:46PM)
Ah yes but one you will knot forget! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Jan 16, 2004 11:30PM)
You might also want to check Daryl's routine of Harold Rice's Ropes through Body on the DVD FoolerDoolers Volume 2
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (Jan 30, 2004 10:08AM)
Fantasio also has a rope thru body effect in his video. It's so simply and very deceptive. But you need to wear a jacket.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 31, 2004 03:49AM)
Does Fantasio have a version you can do without the jacket?
Message: Posted by: johnpert (Aug 11, 2004 02:15PM)
Can you use Sheet's version w/out jacket... performing just with your shirt (and pants of course)?

j.
Message: Posted by: Jimmy Joza (Aug 11, 2004 07:35PM)
I do a slight variation of Cords of Phantasia and use three spectators and the ropes are ungimmicked. You begin with tying two ropes around a wand (which is going through a box with four holes: front, back, and sides) forming a knot then have two spectators tie 4 silks or put ropes through 4 harness rings. The ropes then go through the sides of the box and get tied around a third spectator. The box is closed and two spectators pull the ropes as hard as they can. The ropes penetrate the box and the spectator. The silks or rings have fallen off the rope and are inside the bag. When the ropes are shown, they is shown to still have the knot in the middle of the ropes. Having said all that, I will have to check out Bob Sheets routine!

Jimmy
P.S. You could adapt Fantasio's version to do without a jacket but then it would have to go under a shirt and perhaps use a g*****k to keep it in place, although that can be worked around as well.
Message: Posted by: Dario (Sep 14, 2004 04:43PM)
You can perform it without shirt but the method can be easily discovered.

You can avoid that if you wear your shirt out of your trousers.

How do you end the Bob Sheet's method. I have necer been confortable at the end of the effect, so I'm restricted to do it only in children shows where I use to little children that free the rope If I pull it at the end for take a bow.

But the impact in all audiences is great and I want to do it in my corporative shos also. Sugetions and tips?

Darío

Sorry,

You can't perform it without shirt (well you can but...)

I want to say that you can perform it without jacket but the method can be easily discovered.

Darío
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Sep 22, 2004 09:20PM)
Man...once again I hafta recommend Bob Sheets 'Hang 'Em High'...I used my ungimmicked version all this past summer!

This is the routine...
Rope Thru Neck (Tenkai)
Head Twister (towel or Mak Magic I do both)
Ropes thru body ala Sheets (using 2 ropes which are ungimmicked)
Bisection (Andrew Mayne)to explain how ropes penetrate body, parts of me disappear.
Routine it well and it will play huge!

Johnny Mystic
Message: Posted by: BobSheets (Sep 28, 2004 02:21PM)
On 2004-08-11 15:15, johnpert wrote:
Can you use Sheet's version w/out jacket... performing just with your shirt (and pants of course)?

j.

Yes. I did this at different times in slacks and shirt usually street or very casual parties. You can do it surrouned if you have a shirt out and/or wear it open with a T shirt, as in the magic in the streets on the travel channel, or a jacket on.

The video is a 10 minute routine that uses insomnia, the idiot rope trick, cards across and rope thru body(hang em high).

Still one of my favorite crowd pleasers. bob.
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Sep 30, 2004 07:13PM)
Hello Mr. Bob Sheets! I would just like to say thanks for putting your trick on the market. IMHO it is one of the greatest rope tricks of all time. It ranks right up there next to the professors nightmare!

Johnny Mystic
Message: Posted by: Liam Jones (Oct 16, 2004 03:17AM)
Go for hang 'em high it's great.
Message: Posted by: imagique (Jan 13, 2005 12:43AM)
The responses on this forum are EXACTLY why I stopped producing "Rope-u-tation", the trick that Jay, Maritess and Paul are using. Anyone who has seen it performed correctly, with the practice and proficiency necessary, will attest to it's effectiveness compared to any other rope through body. The idea was inspired by moves by Flip and Jeff Stewart's rope through body, combined to make a completely new routine.

However, everyone has to recommend Bob Sheets' "Hang 'em High" because they aren't aware of my version, and they assume that, hey, it's Bob Sheets, so it must be better. The usual magic community 'sheep' mentality. If you're creative, live in a community of a lot of magicians, and aren't famous yet, get used to it!

I've been doing it for almost two decades, and it always gets rave reviews. David Copperfield was baffled by it, and requested that I repeat it 3 times. There were rumors that David wanted to use it in a special, but the producers wanted him to use one of THEIR effects so that they could reap the benefits of selling theirs after the special. That would've been HUGE exposure, but it was not meant to be.

Kevin James wanted to market it, but I wanted him to manufacture them, too. He didn't want to, and it fell flat at that point.

I have a new ungimmicked, examinable wrist chopper, "Choppo" that is going on the market soon. If I have success with that, I may re-introduce "Rope-u-tation" once Choppo takes off. Choppo fries almost every hugely knowledgeable magician that has ever seen it. If you like the rope trick, you'll REALLY like this new chopper.

Paul did a nice job with it on 30 seconds to Fame.

Thanks,

Jimmy Fingers
http://www.jimmyfingers.com




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On 2003-10-04 17:47, Jordini wrote:
Hi all! I saw a performer by the name of Paul Nathan perform this. He started off with the standard rope through neck trick, and then it went through his body. He said the hard part is when it gets stuck, and then the rope was passing into his body. He then took the rope and it was going in one ear and out one nostril. It looked like the rope was split in half, but I don't know the exact workings of it. Is anybody familiar with this trick?
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