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Topic: Cups and Balls load help
Message: Posted by: The MailMan (May 18, 2012 05:46PM)
Hi,

I am putting together a cups and balls routine and want to find something to help me with my final loads.

As the routine stands I will be going to my left side for all three loads. This lead to problems with putting all the loads in my jacket pocket as there was a noticable bulge and every now and then two of them became wedged in the pocket.

I want something that I can put on my hip under my jacket that wont be seen from the front if I present on stage. It needs to be able to hold three large loads and not much else, it is purely for the steals at the end.

Does anyone have any suggestions of solutions? I have looked at army surplus ammo pouches, fanny packs etc but I wanted to get some opinions here first.
Message: Posted by: AGMagic (May 18, 2012 06:44PM)
You could use a billiard ball dropper gimmick. There are basically two types, a wire clip that holds one ball, and one that is a fabric tube that pins at one end and has elastic at the other to keep the load from falling out. Both types are shown in many of the older magic books.
Message: Posted by: kentfgunn (May 18, 2012 07:44PM)
MailMan,

Don't put all the loads in same pocket. If you feel having three loads in one pocket is a problem, change the routine a little.

Consider putting a topit or pocket extension in your coat. My tailor put some great pleated pockets inside my jacket that extend the size of my pockets. The balls do NOT show or change the line of my coat at all now.

Loads etc. look like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYmGnK4K9g

If you know you're not happy with something in your routine, no length is too far to go, if it fixes it!

Kent
Message: Posted by: Jon Blakeney (May 18, 2012 11:03PM)
Ten out of ten Kent.that was a great routine.
Message: Posted by: Tryllejakob (May 19, 2012 02:27AM)
I use two small size cups and two potatoes for final loads. one in each of my pants pockets. If you are performing David Williamson or Tommy Wonder type routine.
Then two loads are perfect, just lift both cups and reveal the loads at the same time.
Gives a great chock for the audience and they don't know the difference between the diffent loads.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (May 19, 2012 11:18AM)
@The MailMan:

We can't tell you how to do your loads in this section of the forum. You need to go to Ever So Sleightly, which is in a section of the Café that is not open to the public. Once you have 50 posts, you can visit this part of the forum. So make 50 posts. Then you can learn the stuff that we don't want out in the open.
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 19, 2012 07:36PM)
Mr. Palmer, did you mean the Secret Sessions section?

Any who, for load management, Tommy Wonder is a MUST read. Not just his two cup routine, which requires no pocket space for the final loads, in his Books of Wonder he goes into a lot more depth on final loads, loading sequences, etc.

Also, consider different approaches, not just multiple larger balls/objects. Wonder's routine will give you a great example of this. Other routines to look at for examples of different thinking on finales are Jason Latimire's, Shawn Farquar (can never remember how to spell his last name, sorry Shawn) although his routine can't be seen on line, only likely to see it live, David Regal's Cups and Balls and Cups and Balls.

Michael Ammar's routine is much more traditional, but a great example of handling the loading sequence.
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Apr 2, 2020 05:32PM)
[quote]On May 18, 2012, kentfgunn wrote:
MailMan,

Don't put all the loads in same pocket. If you feel having three loads in one pocket is a problem, change the routine a little.

Consider putting a topit or pocket extension in your coat. My tailor put some great pleated pockets inside my jacket that extend the size of my pockets. The balls do NOT show or change the line of my coat at all now.

Loads etc. look like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYmGnK4K9g


WOW!

Even 8 years later, Kent's routine baffled the brains out of me.

I just got into doing a solo cup routine, and since I wear slim/ fitted jackets I was looking around for alternate loading methods.

I'm so glad I found this thread. What an inspiration.

If you know you're not happy with something in your routine, no length is too far to go, if it fixes it!

Kent [/quote]
Message: Posted by: thegreatscungilli (Apr 5, 2020 10:11AM)
Take a look at one of Dai Vernons classic routines, he does a move where he uses his back pocket..he does a put to the back pants pocket and then something else happens...
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 5, 2020 11:47PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2012, gdw wrote:
Mr. Palmer, did you mean the Secret Sessions section?

Any who, for load management, Tommy Wonder is a MUST read. Not just his two cup routine, which requires no pocket space for the final loads, in his Books of Wonder he goes into a lot more depth on final loads, loading sequences, etc.

Also, consider different approaches, not just multiple larger balls/objects. Wonder's routine will give you a great example of this. Other routines to look at for examples of different thinking on finales are Jason Latimire's, Shawn Farquar (can never remember how to spell his last name, sorry Shawn) although his routine can't be seen on line, only likely to see it live, David Regal's Cups and Balls and Cups and Balls.

Michael Ammar's routine is much more traditional, but a great example of handling the loading sequence. [/quote]

Yes, I did. I just now caught this error. It only took 8 years or so.
Message: Posted by: scotchrocket (Apr 6, 2020 03:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2020, Nadzri.Harif wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2012, kentfgunn wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYmGnK4K9g[/youtube][/quote]

WOW!

Even 8 years later, Kent's routine baffled the brains out of me.[/quote]

Agreed, Nadzri - it's a really fun routine to watch.

That 'sales pitch' angle/patter is great, Kent! Did you actually work in a magic shop? How much of that is for presentation's sake and how much of it was actually how you sold it?
Message: Posted by: kentfgunn (Apr 12, 2020 11:36PM)
I worked in many magic shops.

The routine and patter was developed years after my stints in magic shops.

The patter I use now is quite different.
Message: Posted by: scotchrocket (Apr 14, 2020 03:24PM)
Thanks for responding Kent. That makes sense.

Just re-watched it, and the patter's so cartoonishly sales-y that it disarms you, and allows you to sit back and enjoy the character.

Do you find your patter is constantly changing over time, or are you getting new ideas for presentation, and reworking a lot of the lines in their entirety?

As a side note, I'm constantly amazed at how many angles patter can take, and the difference it makes when someone's really ironed out the patter, cut the fat, and kept the good bits. Thanks again for sharing your routine.
Message: Posted by: kentfgunn (Apr 16, 2020 07:45PM)
When I do the cups these days, the patter sounds like this.

https://youtu.be/wksAZSAccvQ

I have a version that uses my sailor voice. It's inappropriate for a family-friendly site like this.