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Topic: Would Love To Begin Close Up Card Magic
Message: Posted by: Dave_ATC (May 28, 2012 02:48PM)
I love magic and card tricks, always have since I was about 8.

While not old, I'm 23, I was always fascinated by magic, and competitions, and documentaries, and always wanted to do it myself. Not really for a big stage, but for friends and family to amaze them, just as I've been amazed many times on T.V.

Close Up Card Magic is where I think I'd like venture, but I'm a little weary, because I don't have big hands, or long fingers like many of those who I have seen handle decks for these tricks.

I'm a big fan of Daniel Madison's work.

So any tips, books/dvd's video instructions to look. I perused the beginners book sticky above, but there is just way too many different options, looking for a general consensus.

Any help is appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Ray Bertrand (May 28, 2012 02:53PM)
Try 'The Expert at the Card Table' by Erdnase; 'The Royal Road to Card Magic' by Hugard & Braue; and 'Scarne Card Tricks' by John Scarne. This should give you a basis. Take what you can use and leave the rest. You are sure to find some gems in these 3 books that you will be able to use.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (May 28, 2012 02:58PM)
My Close-Up Card Magic was written specifically for you!! Now re-written, etc. along with five other books of mine, in LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Vol. 1.
Message: Posted by: dattyw (May 28, 2012 03:20PM)
I thought it was written for me, Mr. Lorayne? I recently got beack into performing card magic and have utilized Close-Up Card Magic to wow my audience. Hope you enjoy it as well. Highly recommended.
David
Message: Posted by: Kingman (May 28, 2012 06:07PM)
Trust me, hand size has nothing to do with it. It is all about practice and desire. I don't have large hands either and I have been performing nothingbut card magic all my magic career. Harry Lorayne's books are ideal for someone that wants to learn excellent card effects and they do not rely on hand size or long fingers. Don't let a physical fearture prevent you, ever heard of Rene Lavand http://youtu.be/GObRg5nEFp8

Kingman
Message: Posted by: Ray Bertrand (May 28, 2012 07:50PM)
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On 2012-05-28 15:58, Harry Lorayne wrote:
My Close-Up Card Magic was written specifically for you!! Now re-written, etc. along with five other books of mine, in LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Vol. 1.
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Sorry Harry,

I have a number of your publications. I apologize for not citing your works.

Ray
Message: Posted by: mlippo (May 28, 2012 11:28PM)
For a good basis of card magic sleights, some good effects and some theory, get Roberto Giobbi's Card College vol.1 & vol. 2 (the books, not the DVDs!). I think it's the best way to start.

For some good effects, the cited Lorayne's book is a good choice.
One of the books I got when I started 30 years ago was 'Annemann's Card Magic' published by Dover. Cheap and has some good simple effects.

For some self-woking card magic, good to help you build yourself as a performer:

- Giobbi's 'Card College Light' series (three volumes)
- Karl Fulves Self-Working Card Magic series (by Dover)
- Bob Longe's books (by Sterling Publishing Inc.)

Have a nice time!

mlippo
Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (May 28, 2012 11:30PM)
I started with Harry's stuff and never looked back.
Message: Posted by: JamieUK (May 29, 2012 04:21AM)
Yeah, +1 for "close up card magic" by Harry and "royal road". This will give you enough to last years.
Message: Posted by: djurmann (May 29, 2012 02:57PM)
First (as a trainer) many people put the cart before the horse...you need to consider your personal learning style. There is a general feeling within the magic fraternity that books are best....they certainly offer more bang for your buck. But you may find the Royal road hard going. Should you prefer the DVD route, at least to begin then I would recommend Lee Smiths STEP system. For books I would recommend Mark Wilson's Complete magic course...lots of pictures and easier to follow (imho) than the Royal Road. Harry's stuff is highly regarded but I have no personal experience. John Bannon's stuff is also good.

Am I biased...of course....but so is everyone.
Message: Posted by: metaljohn (May 29, 2012 03:31PM)
Royal Road To Card Magic is what started me in card tricks with sleight of hand. It's made for the absolute beginner. This book contains some tricks in there that I still use. I know that some of these tricks were published in other books prior to 1948, but as a beginner book on sleight of hand there are some killer card effects. You can find this book almost anywhere. Try Amazon as it's under $20

Lorayne: The Classic Collection volume 1 is highly recommended. At first glance, you might think it's expensive, but factor in the fact you get four classic books that Harry Lorayne wrote in the 60s, plus bonus material and new updates to those old books and you'll realize the book is quite cheap. In fact, even if you only end up using two or three tricks, you'll have got your money's worth. So many awesome tricks in this book. I've gone back to this book many times and there's tons of great card stuff. I can't give enough praise to this. Volumes 2 and 3 are great too, but you have to start somewhere.

Card College volumes 1 and 2 are great two. I'd read these after Royal Road, but while reading other books. Even though you'll have learned most of the stuff covered in these two voumes in Royal Road, there are a lot of subtleties that will enhance the sleights you already know. Also, the 80+ pages in chapter 27 of volume 2 on card magic theory (which applies to magic in general as well) is a highly recommened read in my opinion. I was never too into the tricks on these books, but the info on sleights is indespensible for the beginner.

Other books such as Expert Card Technique, Card College volumes 3, 4 and 5, The Essential Dai Vernon, Best Of Friends, etc shouldn't be touched right away. Get to these great books once you've gained enough knowledge.

Remember, don't rush through the books. Patience and practice are key. I wouldn't worry about hands being too big or too small. Harry Lorayne's hands are pretty small and he can palm a card in different ways quite easilly. I have 'windows' in my fingers and was convinced this was a problem when I first started to palm cards. I kept at it and now no one ever detects the card in my hand.
Message: Posted by: satellite23 (May 29, 2012 03:34PM)
One assumption that people automatically make is that they need big hands/fingers to do magic. However, that assumption is wrong. Now, I will admit that some tricks and sleights are easier with bigger hands, but the key word in that statement is SOME. I have not come across a single trick that couldn't be effectively done without practice.

A deck of cards in itself is amazing. A simple thing consisting of 54 cut-up pieces of cardboard, and yet those pieces of cardboard can amaze, dazzle, entertain, and captivate nearly anybody. ANYBODY. There's a hundred lifetimes worth of magic stored within a deck of cards, and only about one percent of that magic has ever been found.

I hope you enjoy yourself with your new magical adventures. It's a blessing.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (May 29, 2012 04:46PM)
Interesting to me that some who "have no personal experience" can still be "biased." How is that possible?
Message: Posted by: Eric Caldwell (May 29, 2012 05:18PM)
I began with The Royal Road to Card Magic. For the price (around $10) you can't go wrong. It took me awhile to learn of the Card College series. Even knowing the low price of Royal Road I would have started with Card College vol. 1 if I had the chance to start again. Card College is very thorough.
Message: Posted by: Dave_ATC (May 29, 2012 08:46PM)
Thanks for all the suggestions folks, I really appreciate it. Will have to decipher and pick where to start.
Message: Posted by: Dave_ATC (May 29, 2012 09:09PM)
I purchased Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic and The Royal Road to Card Magic
Message: Posted by: dattyw (May 29, 2012 09:30PM)
Royal Road is great. I go back to it and try tricks I never thought to use before and try to make them my own. Working through it from 1st chapter through end like a course was helpful for me and I've read other people give similar advice. Though that may not be to everyone's taste. Best of luck.
David
Message: Posted by: djurmann (May 30, 2012 12:53AM)
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On 2012-05-29 17:46, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Interesting to me that some who "have no personal experience" can still be "biased." How is that possible?
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Oh come on, you would think I only mentioned your book in my post. If you prefer, regarding all the other things in my post on which I do have experience I am biased. Regarding Harry's book I have heard he has a good reputation but have no personal experience of his magic so that is hearsay (and inadmissible in a court of law).

Better ;o)?
Message: Posted by: AlexB (May 30, 2012 02:59AM)
Here is another vote for Giobbi's Card College. The descriptions and illustrations are absolutely excellent. And the price is well worth it, considering that lots of single trick DVDs are more expensive these days.

Enjoy your new hobby, it's awesome fun!
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (May 30, 2012 08:14AM)
Djurmann: Not really :o)!
Message: Posted by: Magic Rik (May 30, 2012 09:37AM)
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Better ;o)?
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In my biased and opinionated thinking - yes, much better!

But then, I'm an old guy, what do old guys know???
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (May 30, 2012 09:46AM)
Hey, speak for yourself. I like to believe that THIS "old guy" knows SOMETHING!
Message: Posted by: Magic Rik (May 30, 2012 09:53AM)
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On 2012-05-30 10:46, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Hey, speak for yourself. I like to believe that THIS "old guy" knows SOMETHING!
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Harry - one of my favourite signs that I had in my office before I retired read:

"We have not succeeded in answering all of your questions. The answers we have found only serve to raise a whole set of new questions. In some ways we feel we are as confused as ever, but we believe we are confused on a higher level and about more important things."

So, like you, I too am full of information. Some even useful!
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (May 30, 2012 10:09AM)
True. Like that quote.
Message: Posted by: Vu Nguyen (May 30, 2012 03:28PM)
Be prepared to take it really really really slow. I spent probably about a month just on my DL before I moved on to a different move. And I still suck at it.
Message: Posted by: Pengnome (May 30, 2012 03:54PM)
I learn by learning tricks, this then gives learning the moves a purpose. I may not show all of them to an audience but it gives me motivation to continue.
Message: Posted by: Er1tro (May 30, 2012 04:28PM)
I begun like 10 years ago with Roberoto Giobbi s Card College. It is in 4 books plus 1 with a lot of effects. There are all the techniques that you need and at the end of the chapters there are a few effect so you can immediately apply what you learned.
Just by buying the first one you will have a lot of material to learn and you will be ready after some work to make miracles with a normal deck of cards.
One of my favorite cards effects are in this book!
Just buy the first one and see if it's good for you, I think you will like it.
Message: Posted by: MikeBeaudet (Jun 1, 2012 01:30PM)
Roberto Giobbi's Card College is a verygood place to start. I bought them last year and I'm still refering to them on a regular basis. It is well written...Buy them right now.

Have fun
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jun 1, 2012 01:38PM)
Boy, the knowledge here (and the advice) is incredible!!
Message: Posted by: motown (Jun 2, 2012 09:45AM)
A few thoughts:

Aldo Colombini's "What's Up Deck"
Peter Duffie's "Effortless Card Magic", available in ebook form.
Message: Posted by: JoshuaCabaret (Jun 2, 2012 10:17AM)
Joshua Jay's Amazing Book of Cards is very nice for beginners. Teaches you Tricks, Shuffles, Stunts & Hustle. It throws in a little history and fun facts along the way! Another book I would recommend (this is also the very first magic book I ever owned) is Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic, it has a sturdy section on card magic, but just in case you find your self performing other magic such as cups and balls, sponge ball magic, stage, etc ect you can always rely on this book. Never do I not open this book up and find something amazing and new. Last but not least Encyclopedia of Card Tricks 416 pages of just pure card tricks! Hope this helped.
Message: Posted by: Jim Oliver (Jun 2, 2012 11:16AM)
Ascanio said that it takes not months, but years to really perfect a move or a routine.

Years man, years.

Jim
Message: Posted by: AlexB (Jun 2, 2012 11:41AM)
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On 2012-06-01 14:38, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Boy, the knowledge here (and the advice) is incredible!!
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Care to elaborate?
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jun 2, 2012 12:39PM)
No. You'll just have to put your own "interpretation" to it.
Message: Posted by: AlexB (Jun 2, 2012 12:43PM)
I already have, and it's not very charitable (not that there is much to interpret). I thought I would double check. Your reply was quite revealing enough, thank you.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jun 2, 2012 01:46PM)
If there's not much to interpret, why'd you ask? Just keep up with your great advice. To repeat, the knowledge and advice here are incredible.
Message: Posted by: AlexB (Jun 2, 2012 02:40PM)
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On 2012-06-02 14:46, Harry Lorayne wrote:
If there's not much to interpret, why'd you ask?
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For an answer, see the very post you are referring to.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jun 2, 2012 03:06PM)
How do you know exactly which post I'm referring to? I'm no longer sure myself. Still not sure as to why you're asking when you seem to know it all. You'll have to explain it to this feeble mind.
Message: Posted by: AlexB (Jun 2, 2012 10:15PM)
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On 2012-06-02 16:06, Harry Lorayne wrote:
How do you know exactly which post I'm referring to? I'm no longer sure myself.
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This is a pointless "conversation", and I am bowing out. Please continue gracing this thread with your wisdom, Mr. Lorayne, and don't let me distract you from your it.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Jun 2, 2012 10:36PM)
It sure is pointless, [b]startin[/b]g with your coming in asking for elaboration. No way you can "distract" me, my friend, and I sure will continue to respond to your wisdom with my "wisdom" when you come in with silly "elaboration" questions.
Message: Posted by: Kingman (Jun 3, 2012 07:37AM)
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On 2012-05-29 22:09, Dave_ATC wrote:
I purchased Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic and The Royal Road to Card Magic
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Those are very good books to start with. Unfortunately you are about to lose this post to an event here that happens often to legitimate postings. Hopefully the advice given was good for you. As I said, do not worry about hand size. Many magicians, myself included do not have large hands and perform perfectly fine. The skill is the key ingredient and the desire. Take it slow, find what you really like and go after it. Good luck and keep on this forum for advice and (mostly) helpful critiques.

Kingman
Message: Posted by: magicHart (Jul 16, 2012 02:44PM)
Close Up Card Magic is traditionally referred to as the "bible of card magic."
it's not about finger flicking stuff, its about entertaining magic.
As you can discern from these posts, Harry is not bashful. He tells it like it is and is a wonderful teacher.
Message: Posted by: LloydP (Jul 16, 2012 03:23PM)
I got a lot out of Card College and Royal Road as well. I like the tricks and explainations in Card College a little better.