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Topic: What has Blaine accomplished?
Message: Posted by: rondasue (Oct 17, 2003 02:04PM)
What has Blaine accomplished?

As the Blaine box sitting episode comes to a close this Sunday, I have been making a list of what has he accomplished:

1. He has created a very high degree of name recognition, and has done so without wrecking a car, or getting drug, or arrested, or going to rehab.

2. He has created actually name recognition, Blaine, as well as story identification sufficient to prompt others to supply the name, i.e. “that guy in the box” “oh, you must mean Blaine.”

3. He has identified himself as a very unique performer, such that he can be identified as the magician in the box, who was buried alive, frozen in ice, or perched on a pole.

4. He has identified himself as a very unique performer in a mainstream kind of way, that is, not as a sideshow performer who gets occasional press when a sideshow need arises, but as someone mainstream enough to appear in traditional press, or regular TV.

5. I suspect he will emerge as a more thoughtful performer. I have followed him from the outset on the Channel One program. A few weeks ago he began reading what he has been writing in his journal. In my view his entries the last week or so have been less cliché-driven and reflect more serious thought.

6. He has managed to create a profile that defies labels. Is he a magician, a bizarrist, a performer, an artist, all of these, or something else?

7. I also think public opinion has turned. The protests, the taunting and so on have abated, and folks now seem to be supportive, to be in invested in his successful completion of this effort.

8. He makes an encore very difficult but one that people will surely pay attention to.

9. He has created a voice that people will attend to, at least in the short run. If he comes out and is philosophical, and gets involved in a cause or two, in a way tied to his experience, he can become an effective spokesperson, for hunger perhaps.

10. He has enormous potential for taking a next step if he continues to nurture his image.
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Oct 17, 2003 02:53PM)
Obviously you like and respect him. Me too. I think his stuff sometimes seems silly and a waste of time and even irritates a few, but when you think about it, there's a purpose behind his stunts and specials, sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't, but he always has me thinking. BTW, is his TV special going to be on American TV too? I haven't heard anything about it.


Anabelle :giving:
Message: Posted by: Seance (Oct 17, 2003 03:15PM)
What he has done is replicate the self-promotion that Harry Houdini used to do. Houndini was a shameless promoter, who made sure his name was prominent in the newspapers and newsreels.

Blaine just twists the premise slightly to make it warped enough to have the media (and us) notice him.

There are plenty of escape artists, plenty of magicians, and plenty of entertainers, but David Blaine has used his connections and his creativity very well to keep in touch with the viewers. He has worked hard to accomplish what he has and for that I admire him.
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Nov 13, 2003 07:34PM)
Although he has accomplished the above, he has added more fuel to the fire of laymen saying "Hey you remind me of David Blaine!" Which of course I don't I remind me of me and laymen should too. This also creates a demand for effects they saw blaine do which is the last thing I would do for an audience since that's not the reason I put together my act after long hours and constant practice.
Message: Posted by: magic fett (Nov 13, 2003 08:51PM)
Don't get me wrong I like the guy but lately it's kind of getting annoying. Can we get some magic from you David? Stop tourturing yourself the public is starting not to care.
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Nov 14, 2003 09:17PM)
He says he does it for himself, if he did then why does he get a tv crew to film him? :giggles:
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Nov 16, 2003 11:30AM)
Well, one thing he has done is kept all of us typing away about him in internet forums and analyzing his work like Oliver Stone watching the Zapruder Film.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Lozoff (Nov 28, 2003 03:54PM)
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On 2003-11-13 20:34, dave2lift wrote:
he has added more fuel to the fire of laymen saying "Hey you remind me of David Blaine!" Which of course I don't I remind me of me and laymen should too.[/quote]

Welcome to the world of the arts, which it appears you are fairly new to. I was a professional actor for 13 years, and got compared to famous actors all the time. My agents would even describe me as a cross beteen ... and ... as an effective way to give producers an idea of my type.

My father is a musician, and when he is recording an album, he might tell the guitarist, "start off with a little Jeff Beck sound, and and then turn it into a bluegrassy Flatt and Scruggs kind of thing." It's not only a very efficient way to communicate, but it gets the message across quickly.

In the visual arts, the same is true. "He has the eye of Monet, with the sensibility of a young DerBrock."

To be offended or upset by a spectator's comparison to Blaine is very naive. You will either have to accept and even appreciate the nature of artistic comparisons, or leave the field.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Dec 3, 2003 05:59AM)
And a couple of million bucks to boot! ;)

That's a good thing you know!

:online:
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael. (Dec 3, 2003 03:11PM)
To his credit, Blaine has found a niche, capitalized well, promoted well, and made a good amount of green along the way while creating a voyeuristic experience for easily manipulated television viewing audience.

Forget about what he has accomplished... What has he really Achieved? Does it benefit him to be such an isolationist amongst his fellow magicians? What has he given back to the fraternity? I'm unaware of anything he personally can take credit for producing as an original effect.

Take away the television shows, the hype and the hours of editing and what are you left with?

What is original in his presentations?

There is very little that I can see.

I have some respect for him. But I want to know when is he going to lecture to the fraternity and what will he lecture about?

I have noticed he has become a bit of a running joke in some magic conversations.

Just my thoughts on this.
Message: Posted by: Thurston (Dec 3, 2003 03:52PM)
He has given the lay public what it needs most! :cups:
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael. (Dec 4, 2003 10:20AM)
Could you be a little more specific?
Message: Posted by: Jordan Piper (Dec 4, 2003 02:44PM)
I think David Blaine revitalized the limp magic industry. Many people, including myself, got into magic after seeing his specials on t.v. Surely what he does is not unique, but he did what others didn't. He took simple tricks that you can buy from the local magic shop and astounded audiences with them on national television. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that he was a boost to magic and that is what he has given to the magic fraternity. Something that all the lectures in the world can't, a new life.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael. (Dec 6, 2003 02:32AM)
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On 2003-12-04 15:44, thekernel wrote:
I think David Blaine revitalized the limp magic industry. Many people, including myself, got into magic after seeing his specials on t.v....
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thekernel,

I am glad to hear you found an intrest in magic (even from Mr. Blaine.) However, If you've only just gotten into the magic scene I doubt you would know how "limp" or unlimp the industry was? I would recomend that you look beyond your television for inspiration and insight into the world of magic. To give David Blaine as much credit as you have for what has happened to the magic industry is a slap in the face to those who have really contributed.
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....Surely what he does is not unique, but he did what others didn't. He took simple tricks that you can buy from the local magic shop and astounded audiences with them on national television.
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You can look at magic as an art not unlike music. David Blaine has created success for himself the way some so-called "pop music artists" create success for themselves in the popular music industry. With a little talent and help from a staff of producers, editors, and some well choreographed network exposure he has created a consumable "product" (measured in value by the network for its ability to hold an audience's attention between comercials.)

As far as the public point of view, if anything has been "boosted" it is the promotion of (dare I say creation of)"pop magic". Sure it seems interesting in the short run but it loses it's luster when the next program comes on. Not much is lasting, inspired, humanly touching or seriously considered art by the viewing audience much less the magic industry.

I could name countless others who have added so much more to the world of magic. People like Kevin James and Gaeton Bloom. Inovators who create new material and effects. Another great example is David Ben who is actively working with a grant from the Canadian government to preserve magic history.

Pardon me in advance for my temptation of sarcasm, but there are many magicians who chose not to practice the methods provided through the "magic" of television.

Televison magic for me will always lack the heart of live interaction. The reality television approach will only be (at best) a voyeuristic experience of watching others watch magic.
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...Love him or hate him, you can't deny that he was a boost to magic and that is what he has given to the magic fraternity. Something that all the lectures in the world can't, a new life.
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I neither love nor hate David Blaine. I would not say he has "boosted" magic. You have not given me any substantial examples of how he has. I think we all tolerate him like we have to tolerate the flavor of the month pop singer on the radio.

And as far as giving magic a new life...
I just don't see it.

I believe that If anything, in the last few years (and stunts) David Blaine has mostly confused the public with his camera point of view, voyeuristic experience.

Magic must be experienced first hand. Just because we see someone drive a car on television doesn't mean we know what it feels like to drive a car. It is only through first hand experience that we actually understand or know anything.

We cannot pretend to "know" what if feels like to experience magic through the reactions of the people who experience it on television.

I believe it was Dai Vernon who said, "confusion is not magic."

Reality television is and always will be an oxymoron.

I respectfully disagree with most every statement you've made.

Dennis
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Dec 6, 2003 10:08PM)
Everything.... I used to hate Blaine but, now I think he is a god. He got rich, famous and he could care less about the haters.

Lee
Message: Posted by: Black Magic (Dec 7, 2003 11:32AM)
How did he levitate? :sun:
Message: Posted by: Jordan Piper (Dec 8, 2003 02:24AM)
It was magic.
Message: Posted by: A C Spectre (Dec 8, 2003 12:19PM)
I have to agree with Dennis. While the Britneys of the music world are wildly successful right now, until they put out something that even vaguely resembles a "Sgt Pepper" my hard earned will stay in my wallet. As far as David Blaine goes...let me know when he gets invited to perform at the Kennedy Center or somewhere comparable and I might take notice :kermit:
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Dec 8, 2003 02:38PM)
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On 2003-12-06 23:08, pyro_magic wrote:
Everything.... I used to hate Blaine but, now I think he is a god. He got rich, famous and he could care less about the haters.

Lee
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Trust me on this one he is not a God. He who dies with the most fame and fortune does not win… he just dies.

And everybody has people who hate them, I don’t care about my haters either, I’m not in the business of pleasing people that don’t like me.
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Dec 12, 2003 01:30PM)
Well so far he's accomplished all we've seen him do on T.V. and remains a big subject of many posts at the Café - just like this one.
Message: Posted by: JustinDavid (Dec 12, 2003 06:31PM)
David Blaine isn't the most talented magician to walk the earth, and this subject with continue for years to come, but I think Randy Stewart put it the best. When your born, you don't have connections, you, on some level, must make your own. His Mother, nor Father, were big time actors, musicians, poets, line dancers, or anything else that could make them famous. He took what he loves to do, and does it to make money, and I know everyone else here does the same thing... well... most of us.

I, for one, do not know what else David is accomplished in. Maybe he has a killer bird act, maybe he can manipulate cards better then Houdini, or Jeff McBride (doubtful, but maybe).. or maybe he can't do anything more then what we see on TV. No one but David will ever know what he can and can't do. Some people can't stand him, some people are jealous of him ("Well when someone does a trick they don't say my name, they say... 'Hey, what are you, David Blaine?') He is one of THE most accomplished magicians out there right now. When people think magic, they think Houdini... and David Blaine. I know if I went up to my 40 year old Uncle and said.. hey Unc.. name a magician.. I can probably read his mind.

This topic will go on as long as there is a such thing as David Blaine... until Billy Bob Johnson comes by and does him one better... then this whole subject will start again... and we will be back to square one.. interesting huh?

Now did I make sense?.. :rotf:

Justin
Message: Posted by: Pekka (Dec 15, 2003 12:40PM)
David Blaine has boosted magic. If we look back into the way we all started who did inspire you? I believe for me (as for thousands) it was Paul Daniels, for some it was Copperfield etc. And David Blaine is THE Man at the moment. Surely his success will not last as long as the old master's but then again, that is the postmodern culture we have.

What Blaine has really done? Made a living and a pension fund by doing something we all love. Now isn't that terrible. Wouldn't we want to make a lot of money out of this too. Nobody is calling Blaine childish!

Anyone of us could have done it, if only we would have what it takes to be a mass entertainer. So I will take off my tophat and bow for Mr. Blaine as he is a true entertainer. Not a great card man but a great showman.
Message: Posted by: JustinDavid (Dec 15, 2003 03:20PM)
VERY well said.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 26, 2003 04:42AM)
Blaine if anything else, has had the guts to be what he feels called to be in life, and he is probably getting great fullfilment from that. There are always the "elite" the ones who think themselves so much superior, but that haughty orgulous attitude makes me sick. Being a card technician, or whatever else you fancy yourself to be, does NOT make you truly superior. It just makes you a snob if you use it to point out the "inferiority" of another performer whos views you do not particularly agree with. But Blaine is NOT inferior, in my view. He's just different. And he's got the guts to be himself. Bully for you David! You go, man! Close up in yer face magic now rocks, thanks to you. I feel your the Doug Henning of this generation. Rock on! :dancing: :dancing: :bigdance:
Message: Posted by: ChrisG (Dec 26, 2003 08:45PM)
Although I am new to magic I think Mr.Blaine is quite a showman.

When the guys at work ask "Can you do the things David Blaine does on TV?" I enjoy being able to reach into my pocket and show them that I can!
Message: Posted by: KeirRoyale (Dec 27, 2003 01:47AM)
Blain really isn't a magician. Being a magician takes SKILL. Performing (and I use that word loosly) an effect that is entirely based on the use of a stooge or a TV camera is NOT magic, it is just deception. Not that we do not all decieve in this business but most of use do not do it in a manner that could be mastered in an afternoon. Anyone could be trained to do what he does in a few hours. ie: stare at people and do simple, simple dimestore tricks.

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Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Dec 27, 2003 06:29AM)
If that was all there was to it, EVERYONE could be as successful as Blaine...

But it isn't...

It takes a lot of passion and planning to produce a TV Special... Even then that still doesn't guarantee it'll hit...

Look at David Blaine BEYOND just the effects and you'll see it ain't as easy as some of us think it is to be where he is...

In my humble opinion of course...

:online:
Message: Posted by: ChrisG (Dec 27, 2003 07:50PM)
Is'nt it a skillfull entertainer that can take a dimestore trick and amaze millions?

As a director, producer, editor and cameraman of a very small market, Cable TV program, video editing is magic in an of itself. On screen talent (good on screen talent) is hard to come by. David Blaine is good on screen talent.
Message: Posted by: A C Spectre (Dec 28, 2003 10:06PM)
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On 2003-12-27 20:50, ChrisG wrote:
.... On screen talent (good on screen talent) is hard to come by......
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PUHLEEEEEEASE! Survivor, Fear Factor, The Bachelor, Joe Millionaire Ad Nauseam. If there's any talent in this stuff, would it kindly stand up to be recognized. All you need to get on TV today is a buff bod, minimal brains and zero self respect. Enter Mr. Blaine, he is of the same quality as those mentioned above, appealing to the same audience.

Does anyone here really think that David Blaine would have had any success at all if he'd have done this same act even 10-15 years ago?

David Blaine could't carry Mr. Copperfield's
luggage!

A C Spectre

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Message: Posted by: Daniel J. Ferrara Jr. (Dec 29, 2003 02:25PM)
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On 2003-12-27 02:47, KeirRoyale wrote:
Blain really isn't a magician. Being a magician takes SKILL. Performing (and I use that word loosly) an effect that is entirely based on the use of a stooge or a TV camera is NOT magic, it is just deception. Not that we do not all decieve in this business but most of use do not do it in a manner that could be mastered in an afternoon. Anyone could be trained to do what he does in a few hours. ie: stare at people and do simple, simple dimestore tricks.

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Did you even see his first special. I'm not saying that all the effects were mind blowing, or even unique, but he has talent. I would be impressed if you could teach someone a good ambitious card routine in a few hours.

Blaine didn't use camera tricks to fool those people. He really performed those tricks live for them. In an effort to guard the secrets, he might have done a bit of editing, but what is wrong with that.

Did you ever see David Copperfield in his "escape from jail" special. Now tell me again what David Blaine did wrong.

We take advantage of angles all the time when we perform. When you switched a gaffed dollar bill for a regular one to hand out, that is the same thing as editing your TV special.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 1, 2004 02:38AM)
Someone said David Blaine couldn't carry Mr Copperfields luggage. He doesn't have to, David allready has servants to do that, but the real question is this: Does David have the guts to do what Blaine des? Specifically I'm talking about walking up to complete strangers on the streets of Harlem or the S. side of Chicago, who are all standing there with switchblades at the ready, and pulling out cards , doing a monte or whatever, and blowing them out of their socks with it?

Hey, has anyone ever considered the fact that Blaine has the guts to take his life in his own hands just to spread around his magic?

I seriously doubt that Copperfield has the guts to do that.
Message: Posted by: nums (Jan 3, 2004 08:40PM)
"Does David have the guts to do what Blaine des? Specifically I'm talking about walking up to complete strangers on the streets of Harlem or the S. side of Chicago, who are all standing there with switchblades at the ready, and pulling out cards , doing a monte or whatever, and blowing them out of their socks with it?"

It is another camera trick, if the streets were that tough the crew would have been protected for the valu of the cameras alone. I have said it before so here it is again

1) DB as a magician - Mediocre
2) DB as a self promoter - Excelent
3) DB in life without knowing Leo DeCaprio to get him in with Oprah long before his TV specials - at home writng on the Café and doing silly cardtricks for his friends and family.

Somtimes it is not talent but connections that make you a star. Look at all the 2nd and 3rd generation NASCAR drivers. their are a lot more talented deivers but could not get a break cause they were not somebodies friend, son, nephew or the like

Jeff