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Topic: Getting Started with Linking Finger Rings
Message: Posted by: Corbett (Aug 8, 2012 07:16AM)
I am wanting to begin investigating and learning more about the linking finger ring routines, but need some help getting started. What routines should I look at to get started? Are there some routines you feel have advantages over others? And as far as gaffs, I of course know of the split ring, Himber, and the Porper rings. Are there others. Any help would be appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Aug 8, 2012 07:58AM)
If you can find it Al Koran's routine (probably, like much of what Al did, started the mess) his uses a gimmicked pencil (a very easy to make gimmick I might add). Doesn't use a Himber style ring but could be done with one or a Poper ring but why?

More easily found are:
Dick Osterlind's routine (fekes a pencil in a very natural way and it can be handed out without rising suspicion). Uses a Himber style ring.
and
Billy McComb's routine using a simple swizzle stick (un-gimmicked) and a Himber style ring.
Geoffrey Dunham's routine using a custom made ring,

That's a start and others will chime in here I am sure.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 8, 2012 08:58AM)
The best advice I can give goes along with Harry's comments. I have collected many Linking Finger Rings routines over the years. I have owned several solid gold Himber Rings. There is no better or best that I can tell. If you are really interested, then find the Al Koran manuscript and work that original routine. It is available still, I seen it someplace on the Internet, a place is selling. I found it here: http://trickshop.com/shop/linking-finger-rings It does not have all the pitfalls that the Himber presents. Most real Himber Rings are very very expensive, so if you are going to spend a large amount of money, the be committed to actually using and presenting the routine.

Currently, the latest offering is the Nick Lewin routine for $350, without props. A ring from Geoffrey Durham is $995.00, One from Nils Bennett will cost $130.00 but works totally different then the classic Himber Ring. Stevens Magic have several at different prices and qualities. Geoffrey Durham's book is a must read on the subject as well. http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=1498

As with many of the Al Koran magic tricks, this trick takes guts and also requires lying to the audience. If you have a problem with psychological lying then stay away from this trick.
Message: Posted by: Corbett (Aug 8, 2012 09:19AM)
I've seen Himber Rings advertised for $30-40. I know the Porper stuff is super expensive.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 8, 2012 09:51AM)
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On 2012-08-08 10:19, Corbett wrote:
I've seen Himber Rings advertised for $30-40. I know the Porper stuff is super expensive.
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What is your point, the Bruce Kalver Rings are no longer available, they sold for $40. I was just pointing out all the different version available, isn't that what you were asking?

Like I said, search Steven's site, they have some cheap China one for $25.

Remember you get what you pay for in the end.

Routines:
[b]Ron Wilson
Roger Klause
Billy McComb
Richard Osterlind
Nick Lewin
Harry Anderson
Ted Lesley
Jonathan Pendragon[/b]
Message: Posted by: Corbett (Aug 8, 2012 10:01AM)
My point, Bill, is that you were only mentioning rings in the 100's of dollars in your previous post. And there are others available.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 8, 2012 10:06AM)
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On 2012-08-08 11:01, Corbett wrote:
My point, Bill, is that you were only mentioning rings in the 100's of dollars in your previous post. And there are others available.
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You did not specify price, I was commenting on the better rings that are available. Take a look at Stevens Magic and put Himber ring in the search engine. That is my best advice.

I just checked their site, there is nothing but the $25 China rings listed, all others are in the hundreds of dollars. You can get the China rings on ebay for $15 postage paid, will arrive in 3 weeks.

Again the Kalver $40 to $50 rings are no longer available. I emailed him and did not get a response on availablility.

I originally said the best was the original split ring that Al Koran used. That you can make yourself with an inexpensive costume ring.

You're Welcome!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 8, 2012 10:35AM)
It is all in the presentation. Sure, I've designed some expensive/Porper rings... and so have others... but again, it's all in the presentation. I watched Kreskin do the 'work' poorly, yet he sold it and got a standing ovation from a theater audience of 3,000.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 8, 2012 11:47AM)
I found another routine:

[b]Marc DeSouza[/b]

I would like to add, one must be realistic when buying men's jewelery. I remember you use to be able to go to K-Mart and Walmart and buy watches for $5 and gold rings for $50. Those days are gone. If you would go to any jeweler in you town, you will see rings are very expensive today, and they don't do anything but wrap around your finger.

If anyone finds or knows of a good Himber Ring for $30 to $40, please post a website reference, as I am looking for the wedding band one to replace the Counterfeit Porper I purchased from China. The gaps in this piece of junk is an eyesore. See my review below in this category topic if you are interested or considering the China copy.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Aug 8, 2012 06:03PM)
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On 2012-08-08 09:58, Bill Hegbli wrote:
The best advice I can give goes along with Harry's comments. I have collected many Linking Finger Rings routines over the years. I have owned several solid gold Himber Rings. There is no better or best that I can tell. If you are really interested, then find the Al Koran manuscript and work that original routine. It is available still, I seen it someplace on the Internet, a place is selling. I found it here: http://trickshop.com/shop/linking-finger-rings It does not have all the pitfalls that the Himber presents. Most real Himber Rings are very very expensive, so if you are going to spend a large amount of money, the be committed to actually using and presenting the routine.

Currently, the latest offering is the Nick Lewin routine for $350, without props. A ring from Geoffrey Durham is $995.00, One from Nils Bennett will cost $130.00 but works totally different then the classic Himber Ring. Stevens Magic have several at different prices and qualities. Geoffrey Durham's book is a must read on the subject as well. http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=1498

As with many of the Al Koran magic tricks, this trick takes guts and also requires lying to the audience. If you have a problem with psychological lying then stay away from this trick.
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Yes Bill, Al Koran's Linking Finger Rings takes guts. He used a ring with a gap as in the key ring in a linking ring routine. It was thought that the fussing involved with a Himber Ring slowed things down!

I bought a Himber Ring from Bruce Kalver (Top Hat Productions) in March. It was a signet ring but I believe they also had the wedding band type. I called them. You might want to try that.

Andre
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Aug 8, 2012 08:08PM)
Here ya go:

http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23&products_id=1887
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 9, 2012 10:16AM)
My problem with the "Himber" wedding band was (for me) a difficulty in "finding the spot" and opening it. That's why I created the ring Joe Porper makes. I know it costs a lot more, but when you see how Lu Chen (and others) kill with you you will see its advantages. See video clips at http://www.pete-biro.com "My favorite videos."
Message: Posted by: volto (Aug 20, 2012 08:21AM)
Some other related material:
There's a cheap-ish routine using your own rings, with the linked rings being examinable - "Slink" by Ben Harris. In the process of making the gaff for that routine, you can get a simple gaff for some of the others.
Matthew Garrett's "Ninja Plus" is another examinable version where a finger ring links - in this case to a Ninja-rings sized ring. You can hand out the linked pair.
This was an interesting twist on the genre - it's not everyone's cup of tea, but interesting, I thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q71VRMscLRc (Latimer doing a linking finger ring / ring on glass stem routine).
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 20, 2012 03:06PM)
WOW! Jason Latimer gives his trick to a TV personality Phil Tufnell, and stands back and watches. So why was he/Latimer there?

In this trick the climax is the Linking of the rings, not the unlinking. That is very puzzling why any magician would relinquish his performance to a TV Jockey. Fly from L.A. to England to stand an watch your magic trick being performed by someone else.

There is so many things wrong with this. Very sad.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 21, 2012 12:50AM)
I don't think that's the case... with editing cuts, methinks Latimer did a lot more work on this. I'm going to ask him for details.
Message: Posted by: volto (Aug 21, 2012 11:59AM)
Some background - in this segment of the show, the format of the show *requires* the guest (in this case legendary England cricketer Phil Tufnell) to perform the trick, or at least play the leading dramatic role. So Latimer had little or no choice - he had to let the guest do it.
I thought they both did a great job. Latimer in particular won the viewing public over, being the overall winner of the series (there was a competition/voting aspect, as seems the norm these days). Most of his stuff was awesome, as you'd expect.

I thought this was well executed, and an interesting version of the plot, so worth posting.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 21, 2012 01:12PM)
[b]I agree, it was a terrific presentation, perfectly done.[/b]

Latimer is a good friend and a tremendous thinker. You should see his new warehouse/workshop.

He's got some amazing and creative magic coming.
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Aug 22, 2012 09:27AM)
Wow....

That Latimer routine was AWESOME!

That young man has TALENT and his persona is perfect for that bit....

That bit is NOT a self-working trick and isn't easy to perform WELL on stage let alone on the street....It takes GUTS, a lot of work and post-production, brutally honest self-criticism of the video "rushes", great editing and more to do a well-rehearsed street presentation like that and present it as a video.

Obviously, Latimer and Phil Tufnell put in the proper rehearsal time to pull this off perfectly......I'm impressed!

That's some terriffic stuff!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 28, 2012 11:56PM)
Latimer told me he really worked hard on the script and blocking.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 29, 2012 01:38PM)
Sorry, I cannot put any value on camera editing and stooges being used in a television show. It only shows how well the producers figure out what to show and what not to show in a television show. Looks good, but can anyone else do it? No! Can it be done anywhere else? No! Can it be done anytime? No!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 29, 2012 02:29PM)
It is a new phase of the business and to compete you need to present things that work in the medium.

Latimer told me he does a totally different handling that is just as strong in a live show. On TV you have to make it strong and make it FAST.

And as Ricky Jay and David Blaine will tell you, "TV exposure is incredibly important."

I remember walking along busy street in Hollywood with Ricky and all kinds of people recognized him from his TV appearances.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicalMan (Apr 15, 2014 07:44AM)
Now guys I have this problem to. This is a nearly 5 star effect that I would like to perform to this effect for a while now. The problem is there are so many out there with a huge range of prices, yet they all look the same in my eyes. I don't know how it's done and maybe that's why, but I'm looking forward to doing this effect. May anyone guide me please ?
The simple effect I'm looking for is borrowing 3 finger rings, linking them and not touching them (using a pencil) and the spectator & cam can come really close to see they are actually linked.

Is David Regal's version the best one out there & simplest ? Seems that way from the reviews.
I loved Lu Chen's performance of it (was it new year's eve or what, don't remember, but I'm not asking for Lu Chen's exact version, could be too expensive for me).

Thanks anyways.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 15, 2014 11:30AM)
TheMagicMan: Get Al Koran's routine, not expensive and play with it... OH, I have an idea.. [b]PM me your email address[/b] and I will send you the instructions for Porper's routine which includes Al Koran's. You can also buy my book, [i]The History of the Chinese Linking Rings[/i] which has several linking finger ring routines.