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Topic: ~Sanctum 5~
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 13, 2012 05:40PM)
Recently unearthed in southern Spain. A small hoard of Roman coins with a very odd countermark. It was not any Roman countermark that had ever been cataloged before was not authorized by the Roman Senate.

The coins are circa 155 A.D. and appear to be from the time of Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. The coins are in route to us now from Spain.

The countermark is from the 5th house of Sanctum...

[img]http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1761/sactumfront.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8199/sanctumback.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: DrRob (Aug 13, 2012 05:48PM)
Nooooooooooooooo
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 05:51PM)
I have a funny feeling that this is not going to be in Outlaw's pocket mentalism category.
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 06:00PM)
LOL Geat teaser Rick!
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 13, 2012 06:16PM)
Whats funny is that in the 5th century bc Greek and Latin manuscripts talked about obulus, the price paid to Charon.
perhaps that 5 has a lot of meaning.
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 06:31PM)
I think there may not even be a coin involved. I noticed that sanctum and the numeral five is Photoshoped.
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 13, 2012 06:43PM)
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On 2012-08-13 19:31, necroloid wrote:
I think there may not even be a coin involved. I noticed that sanctum and the numeral five is Photoshoped.
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That is the actual coin. We digitally added the countemarks, but they will be countermarked just like the way it looks in the picture :)
It will look just like that.

It is a Roman sestertius coin. 1.25 inches accross and very thick. Almost 30 grams in weight. It comes in a tiny aged leather pouch.

Look for it sooooon.

It will be in the Arsenal under specialities and it will be reasonably priced :)
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 06:45PM)
So is this a relic type effect?
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 13, 2012 06:49PM)
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On 2012-08-13 19:45, necroloid wrote:
So is this a relic type effect?
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It is an artifact. I'm sure there will be many ideas on how you may want to present it, but it is an artifact from the history of Sanctum.

I believe it is the Roman version of the Sanctum "proof of membership"
They would show the coin to be allowed into the 5th house.
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 06:52PM)
So it is not gaffed then?
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Aug 13, 2012 07:02PM)
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On 2012-08-13 19:52, necroloid wrote:
So it is not gaffed then?
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Can you say that up here in spooky?
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 13, 2012 07:03PM)
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On 2012-08-13 19:52, necroloid wrote:
So it is not gaffed then?
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It is not gaffed

It is a Roman coin with a very odd countermark. It is an aritfact of Sanctum for those that know sanctum does exist and to do what they will with it.

Maybe it's lucky? Maybe it's cursed?

I do know this, it won't fit in a parking meter :)
Message: Posted by: David Eichler (Aug 13, 2012 07:15PM)
It'll gaff your soul.
Message: Posted by: necroloid (Aug 13, 2012 07:33PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 20:02, afinemesh wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 19:52, necroloid wrote:
So it is not gaffed then?
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Can you say that up here in spooky?

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It's been used many times here, but if any one objects, I have no problem with the mods deleting the post.
Message: Posted by: RCP (Aug 13, 2012 07:37PM)
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Aug 13, 2012 08:35PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 20:33, necroloid wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 20:02, afinemesh wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 19:52, necroloid wrote:
So it is not gaffed then?
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Can you say that up here in spooky?

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It's been used many times here, but if any one objects, I have no problem with the mods deleting the post.
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Just checkin necroloid, 'cause I don't know. . .
Message: Posted by: Mind illusionist (Aug 13, 2012 09:37PM)
And so the mystery continues... Sanctum members will be interested in this I think
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Aug 13, 2012 10:04PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 20:15, David Eichler wrote:
It'll gaff your soul.
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Can I watch?
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 14, 2012 12:41AM)
Man the tie ins and routines are already slamming my brain and this isn't even done yet. yet another gotta have for my sanctum set! I even have a way to animate this for deviation should I choose....
Message: Posted by: RCP (Aug 14, 2012 09:04AM)
Sanctum in a bottle, Sanctum 3 fly, Sanctum through table, Sanctum matrix, ...... S@@@L?
;)
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 14, 2012 11:07AM)
What can be done with it???
I want to know
please please
Message: Posted by: RCP (Aug 14, 2012 11:12AM)
Once in ones possession what can't be done.......
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 14, 2012 11:25AM)
Stop I realy need one
missed out on the twillight coins this will not be happening to me with this one
rick put the paypal up now!!
(Please);O
Message: Posted by: VernonOnCoins (Aug 14, 2012 12:47PM)
Maybe Im wrong, but this beautiful coin can be used to enhance your existing Sanctum presentation. Using your own imagination, the coin will help enrich your story. Possible scenarios: Did Sanctum members identify themselves using these coins? Were they used to gain access to secret ceremonies? Just how far back in history does this organization go? The coin seems seems to suggest ancient roots


So cool
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 14, 2012 12:59PM)
It is indeed an ancient artifact. it works like the sanctum membership card, it can add so much ambiance to your set giving it a feel of historic fact.
it shows how deep into world politics and power the sanctum are rooted. and yes I can think of so many ways to use this in effects that have a strong story. the tie ins are right there for all to see if you know what your looking for.

think of all the religion and mystical burial rights used coins. think of the rituals where coins were used as the focus.
do you have a lucky coin?
heard of coins from a dead mans pocket?
coins on the yes of the dead.
a coin in the mouth of the dead.

there are so many arcane uses of coins written in ancient texts that one can not help but know that power resides in coins. sanctum was and still is based in the search for the most powerful magicks.

hence mamon {money} is the root of all evil.....sanctum referance in the bible its self.
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Aug 15, 2012 12:23PM)
I hate words like "soon".
~Gavin
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 15, 2012 12:35PM)
Lol kid waiting for santa on the 5 of december, that's whaqt I feel like waqiting for the cool new items.
Message: Posted by: Miguel Abril (Aug 16, 2012 03:06PM)
So will this be only a prop or a complete new Sanctum routine?
Message: Posted by: maxnew40 (Aug 16, 2012 03:17PM)
Dang it, I might have to sell a few guitars from my collection just so I can afford to buy all this new stuff from Outlaw.

-Max
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 16, 2012 04:16PM)
Its a coin artifact, if you do any coin work now its bizarre, it has a couple things on it you can force using the cards, its a sanctum id card from ancient roman times. its what ever your imagination can come up with. that's the beauty of sanctum there is no limit to what you can do as long as you try to be creative in approach.

all I need to know is what size it is and that its a coin and I can think of hundreds of effects that it can aid in.
sanctum makes you think out side the box. not everyone can do it, but for those special people that are chosen its a reputation maker.
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 16, 2012 04:18PM)
Lol max I feel ya bro
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 23, 2012 11:54AM)
Rick how long Until THE rise of sanctum five??
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 23, 2012 10:40PM)
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On 2012-08-23 12:54, brehan wrote:
Rick how long Until THE rise of sanctum five??
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Next week Sanctum 5 will be here...

We are also minting a Roman coin that has a Relic magnet cast inside it. No countermarks, no seams, no bezel. It looks like it was buried for the past 2,000 years :) just like the Sanctum 5

Sanctum 5 was cast from a Marcus Aurelius coin I paid $125 for. It is pretty much an exact duplicate except for the countermarks that we're hammering into it.

A numismatist would have a hard time telling them apart :)

The countermark here is a photoshop example of what it will have, but this is the actual coin we cast in the shop.
The real countermark is even cooler looking. There is also a secone countermark, A V for 5. Pics coming next week.

[img]http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1761/sactumfront.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 23, 2012 11:11PM)
That's just sexy
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Aug 24, 2012 01:00PM)
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On 2012-08-13 19:43, Roth wrote:
It will be in the Arsenal under specialities and it will be reasonably priced :)
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Do we know the price yet?
~Gavin
Message: Posted by: Christopher Gould (Aug 24, 2012 01:03PM)
Wow, you are so quick!
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 24, 2012 01:50PM)
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On 2012-08-24 14:00, Mr.Skin wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-08-13 19:43, Roth wrote:
It will be in the Arsenal under specialities and it will be reasonably priced :)
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Do we know the price yet?
~Gavin
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Sanctum 5 will be $65 shipped world wide

The additional Roman coin with the Relic magnet minted inside will also be $65 shipped
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 24, 2012 03:25PM)
Cant wait to get it! I have 2 routines I have written for it as well as 4 others that I know fit this coin.
Message: Posted by: justcookin (Aug 24, 2012 08:09PM)
The idea of a gaffed & aged roman coin gives me chills
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Aug 24, 2012 09:22PM)
Well, we have time until Sanctum 666

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Sanctum-666-lyrics-Nattefrost/6CA88AC93807902D48256EF000107E40
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 25, 2012 01:49AM)
Rick does it come with routines?
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 25, 2012 04:01PM)
One coin comes with built in gimmick the other does not, routines are for us to create. there are thousands of routines that are out there to use with the gimmick involved.

as to the artifact, I hope it never comes with routines as this would hamper the creativity of the owner. creating routines that are a part of you will show in the presentation. but if its hard for some to create their own then again there are thousands of routines that could be altered to use with as a coin. it is a story prop, a membership card from ancient times, a really cool artifact that you got in some of your uncles items left to you in a will. its a priceless piece of history. its added flavor to a ancient ritual or routine you are presenting.

what this means is you need to think outside the box and be original something really lacking in modern magic and mentalism. lets bring it back and take it to the next level.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Aug 25, 2012 04:26PM)
I suggest avoiding bending the coin effects ;)
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 25, 2012 04:37PM)
Lol
Message: Posted by: Christopher Gould (Aug 25, 2012 04:38PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-24 22:22, Dr Spektor wrote:
Well, we have time until Sanctum 666

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Sanctum-666-lyrics-Nattefrost/6CA88AC93807902D48256EF000107E40
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Sounds rubbish on a ukulele...
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Aug 25, 2012 04:44PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-25 17:38, Christopher Gould wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-08-24 22:22, Dr Spektor wrote:
Well, we have time until Sanctum 666

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Sanctum-666-lyrics-Nattefrost/6CA88AC93807902D48256EF000107E40
[/quote]

Sounds rubbish on a ukulele...
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But it sounds great using spoons
Message: Posted by: Christopher Gould (Aug 25, 2012 04:59PM)
You are winning me over, we should form a band!
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 25, 2012 06:50PM)
Actual coin with real countermark-Sanctum 5 ! There will also be a pic of second very decayed 2,000 year old Roman coin with a Relic magnet cast inside. No seam, bezels etc :)
[img]http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7041/downloadgg.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Aug 25, 2012 07:08PM)
Ok that's cool, forcing sanc,,, and the number 5 ..
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 25, 2012 08:14PM)
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Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Aug 25, 2012 08:20PM)
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On 2012-08-25 21:14, Roth wrote:
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(?)
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 25, 2012 08:22PM)
OK there is the actual coin with real stamp (no photoshop :))

We will also have another very old worn Roman (no countermark) coin with a Relic magnet cast inside of it. They will be available each or in a package for both Sanctum 5 and the Roman "Relic"

[img]http://s14.postimage.org/te2eepb4h/sss5.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Aug 25, 2012 10:05PM)
MUCH better than photoshop. This looks great!
I want the Roman Relic.
Those various OutLaw devices will send it flying.
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 26, 2012 03:46AM)
simple yes of no woud have been fine.
Message: Posted by: Roth (Aug 26, 2012 04:53AM)
There will be a private forum for buyers to post ideas and routines. Sanctum 5 is an artifact. You receive the coin inside an aged deerskin pouch. It does not come with routines

Now the second coin we're offering is the Roman Relic. It's a much more worn looking Roman coin and does have the large magnet cast inside. It does not have the Sanctum countermarks. There will be additional ideas and routines in the private Roman Relic forum.

Of course the RR coin will do crazy things with Hobbs, DB, Lillians jewel box and some effects most of you are already aware of.

Sanctum 5 is a Roman Sestertius denomination, the largest coin the Romans minted.

Our coin has a diameter of 31mm and weighs almost 30 grams. Most Roman Sestertius found have decayed down to an average size of 25mm diameter and weight of around 20 grams, so the Sanctum coin is a very healthy size.

[img]http://s14.postimage.org/jyp5b9ipt/sss5.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: brehan (Aug 26, 2012 11:10AM)
Clear answer Thanks rick
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Aug 26, 2012 08:34PM)
Ordered.
:)
~G
Message: Posted by: spindoc (Aug 27, 2012 09:37AM)
Ordered
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Sep 6, 2012 04:19PM)
Have these started shipping yet? I didn't know when they showed up on Outlaw if they were a pre-order or ready to go.

~Gavin
Message: Posted by: Roth (Sep 6, 2012 05:12PM)
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On 2012-09-06 17:19, Mr.Skin wrote:
Have these started shipping yet? I didn't know when they showed up on Outlaw if they were a pre-order or ready to go.

~Gavin
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The Roman Relic started shipping. We got some feeback from some buyers regarding the Sanctum 5 coin and decided to use a Roman coin with a better "relief" of the image than the original coin.

Sanctum coins are a bit nicer quality, Roman Relic is not quite as detailed.

It is the same circa 150 A.D. but I sent Tim my best coin (gulp) for him to cast. What happens in the process is it looses some detail.

I listened to a few buyers and decided that a better relief on the images would still "decay" a bit but in the end you have a nicer coin.

So the S-5 and S-5 Relic will be shipping next week. We will have more than enough coins to fill many many orders pretty much as soon as they come in.

I'll be posting a picture of the new Roman Relic coin and it is also a bit better quality image.

Now neither of these coins are what would be considered "high end" to collectors and I like that because it lends itself to what I call "credible aquisition"

You don't want to pull out a 2,000 year old grade A "Nero" coin that would cost you about $2,000

The coin we used to cast The Sanctum 5 is the most expensive coin in my collection at $240. Of course when Tim is through aging it, the value of what that coin will look like puts it in the $50-$100 price range of a real coin.
Message: Posted by: Roth (Sep 6, 2012 06:20PM)
Here are some pictures. At first we were going to use the same coin for both the Sanctum 5 coin and the Roman Relic coin. Then we decided to use two different coins.
The main reason was after they are cast the detail degrades on the coins. I decided I liked the final look of the Roman Relic (2nd and 3rd pictures) after the casting and degrading of the image. These images are of the actual Roman Relic that is shipping now.

The picture directly below shows the first Sanctum 5 coin on the right (no countermarks on it, and now replaced by the coin on the left} and the real Antoninus Pius coin on the left.
Antoninus Pius ruled as Emperor and Marcus Aurelius was his successor.
Roman Relic is Marcus Aurelius
Sanctum 5 and S-5 Relic is Antoninus Pius

You can see the detail is much nicer on the A.P. coin. The cast coin is a bit degraded but still nicer detail than the Roman Relic coin.

So the S-5 and S-5 Relic is a nicer looking coin than the Roman Relic and are being cast from the Antonius Pius coin on the left. The final relief on the image is better.

Now remember, the coin on the left is a real coin and not the S-5. The S-5 is cast from that coin and will have nice detail but it will be aged even more than the real one, plus the photos wash out some of the aging.

The coin on the left is what the two Sanctum coins are cast from, the coin on the right is the Roman Relic (no countermarks and its a Marcus Aurelius)

[img]http://s7.postimage.org/ikpqy8qu3/romaan.jpg[/img]

[img]http://s13.postimage.org/awiq2drvb/roroman_006.jpg[/img]

[img]http://s13.postimage.org/ken2g62xj/roroman_009.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Sep 6, 2012 06:49PM)
Drool. honestly I like the copy better then the original, it gives it way more flavor and apparent age to the average sitter.
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Sep 6, 2012 10:00PM)
Awesome! Thanks, can't wait until the beauty shows up.
~Gavin
Message: Posted by: spindoc (Sep 7, 2012 09:36AM)
Roman Relic arrived today and it is a beautiful piece.
Message: Posted by: Crossroads Mystic (Sep 17, 2012 04:30PM)
Good things in the mail today.
~G
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Sep 17, 2012 04:39PM)
Awesome brother! gotta love the post man