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Topic: The Envelope Game by Matt Mello
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 14, 2012 06:02PM)
Hey guys,

Want to announce another new manuscript, featuring a very psychological game with two envelopes! The effect looks absolutely indistinguishable from real subliminal influence, and features an extremely powerful/cool convincer that I discovered as a kid!

There are so many different applications that this can be used with, but due to the subtlety in the presentation, it will sadly only work in English.

Reviews should be coming in shortly, and will likely give a little more detail about the effect.

If you are interested in purchasing, please paypal $10 to mtricks16@aol.com

I also plan on putting it on Penguin Magic in the near future.

Thank you!

Matt
Message: Posted by: snm (Aug 15, 2012 03:23AM)
Can't wait for this one to be on Penguin either.

Love your work Matt!
Message: Posted by: Myke Phillips (Aug 15, 2012 04:53AM)
The envelope game

Matt Mello brings you a psychological game of influence, with 2 envelopes. 

As always Matt gets straight to the point with this eight page PDF.

Everything is explained very well and you will be able to set this up and practice straight away. With the basic script, you will be performing this on the day. 

There are a few photos that help in the explanation. 

There are some thoughts and ideas, one from bill Cushman that I think is very clever, and if you tweak it a little, you will have a very nice ending. 

As always, Matt gives credit and inspiration. 

What I like about this effect is, it only uses two envelopes, doesn't require a lot of setup, can fit in your wallet or in your top pocket. The effect also has a very organic feel to it, as you don't have to make up any gimmicked envelopes. 

This, like Matt's "Pulse Rate", is another winner for me. 

$10 is nothing for something you will actually use. 

Nice one Matt!

kindest Regards 
Myke Phillips 
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 15, 2012 08:05AM)
What is the premise of the effect? What kind of psychological game with two envelopes?

Thanks!
RNK
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 15, 2012 08:11AM)
Got it.
Loved it.
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 15, 2012 09:17AM)
Thanks for the reviews, guys!

RNK,

The effect has a "bank night" feel, except people really don't care about the money in this routine. The most important part is the "psychological subtlety" you teach and share with your audience, which can be used in many different ways. It's this one convincer that makes everything seem completely psychological. I know people are going to love this little discovery of mine!

Matt
Message: Posted by: broothal (Aug 15, 2012 12:33PM)
Would love to hear more even though I don't perform in english. Who wants to spill the beans? :)
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 15, 2012 12:56PM)
Broothal,

It actually has to do with the word "No". It won't work in a language where "No" isn't "No". Like "Nein" wouldn't work. It sucks...because it's a really cool subtlety! Can't go into more detail without giving it away!

Matt
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 15, 2012 01:05PM)
Looks interesting---just sent money. Thanks
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Aug 16, 2012 05:04AM)
I usually write a pretty winded review but I can't do much better than what Myke Phillips said above me. I will echo his statements and add that its a simple method to work on your psychological influence chops. It has the look and feel of the real deal. Devious in its structure. To put it lightly, it is something I will do and that means it gets my highest recommendation.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Aug 16, 2012 07:24AM)
So, if I understand correctly, the effect is surefire albeit having a psychological feel. Is that true?
Message: Posted by: Prager (Aug 16, 2012 07:46AM)
True.
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Aug 16, 2012 12:04PM)
You are using a theme of suggestion though that isn't the method despite all evidence to the contrary. I like effects structured in this way. Andrew Gerard speaks about the benefits of this approach on his DVD, The Process.

There are 2 subtleties that to my knowledge are new. Both will have other applications. This is excellent thinking and well worth the price.

I'm a bit "banknited" out so contributed another theme. It fits my style better and eliminates any of the usual banknite related potential bad feelings.

Matt, keep coming up with such great ideas!
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 16, 2012 07:47PM)
Thank you, Bill! For the review, as well as all the brilliant ideas you've shared!

Matt
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Aug 17, 2012 04:47AM)
Matt sent me this pdf the other day, and all I have to say is that it is a brilliant thinking. I love the way Matt's presents it, and all the subtelties he has touhgt of for this effect. I am sure it will have a strong impact, if well presented, on layman. I have always liked this psychological aspect, people are really receptive to that!

Thanks Matt for this release that I will add to my mental arsenal ;)
Message: Posted by: Magicdahl (Aug 17, 2012 09:39PM)
Just received this and its another winner from Matt! I know we've all purchased items that sounded or looked good and then they ended up in our bottom drawer. This is not one of them! This is worker material that you will use. Highly satisfied and look forward to performing this at a cocktail party gig I'm doing this weekend. Again, great job Matt!
Message: Posted by: Magicdahl (Aug 17, 2012 09:39PM)
Just received this and its another winner from Matt! I know we've all purchased items that sounded or looked good and then they ended up in our bottom drawer. This is not one of them! This is worker material that you will use. Highly satisfied and look forward to performing this at a cocktail party gig I'm doing this weekend. Again, great job Matt!
Message: Posted by: Magicdahl (Aug 17, 2012 09:40PM)
I only hit submit once, not sure why the same post showed up twice.
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Aug 17, 2012 09:49PM)
Happens all the time.
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Aug 17, 2012 09:50PM)
What is the effect?

How many phases of effect?

Repeatable?
Message: Posted by: Magicdahl (Aug 17, 2012 10:04PM)
It's a phychological game with two envelopes, where through subliminal influence, the spectator always chooses the losing envelope. Many many ways you can use this.
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 17, 2012 10:34PM)
Hey Steve,

Here's a little more information:

You show two envelopes...one with a question mark, and one that's blank. A spectator is asked to touch one, and are then given the chance to change their decision, bearing in mind some new information. You then let them in on your 'subliminal' suggestion, and allow them to switch envelopes should they wish, now that they can see your supposed "influence". No matter what they decide to do...you always win!

Because you're apparently teaching them how it works...it isn't something that you can repeat with them...but doesn't need to be repeated for the effect to really stick with the spectator and those watching!

While it doesn't read like a huge effect...the subliminal secret you learn and teach is SO cool...and a second subtlety at the end creates the illusion that you use subliminal influence ALL THE TIME! Utilized correctly, it will strengthen your reputation and make you VERY believable as a thought manipulator!

Matt
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Aug 17, 2012 11:05PM)
[quote]
On 2012-08-17 23:34, matthewmello wrote:
Hey Steve,

While it doesn't read like a huge effect...the subliminal secret you learn and teach is SO cool...and a second subtlety at the end creates the illusion that you use subliminal influence ALL THE TIME! Utilized correctly, it will strengthen your reputation and make you VERY believable as a thought manipulator!

Matt
[/quote]

that's a big selling point and makes a huge difference in how I picture this.

Sounds very interesting Matt and thanks for the reply.
Message: Posted by: murrari (Aug 18, 2012 06:41AM)
Matt sent me this yesterday and I think it is excellent. Very useable and baffling```1

Great work Matt!
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 18, 2012 03:41PM)
No problem, Steve! Hope you like it!

And glad to hear that you enjoyed it, Andrew!

Matt
Message: Posted by: MagicMaddy (Aug 18, 2012 05:04PM)
This effect is AWESOME. Matt has put some very clever thinking behind this routine. The whole time I was doing the sly smile to myself. I love BOLD magic and what Matt has created here is definitely BOLD but that's why I like it. I particularly like an additional idea given by Bill Cushman. I thought it added a sort of justification to the effect (not like it needed any justificatoin before) The subltities are what make this routine. Matt has put in some really nice and visually pleasing convincers that really make this seem like a serious piece of subliminal influencing.

Great job Matt!
Message: Posted by: Waters (Aug 19, 2012 04:24PM)
Matt is a very clever guy. He is definately on a roll. This routine is subtle and yet to the point. It seems a playful and innocent game, but points to arcane knowledge. On the surface it says you don't take yourself too seriously (read: you are fun), but also communicates that you know a thing about the mind and how to toy with it. Double entendre for mentalism; well done Matt!
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 20, 2012 12:23PM)
Well, I mimmick all that has been said- this is a very nice routine. And as other have suggested, you will be able to apply this to other ideas. As usual, for the price- well worth it! Thanks Matt!

RNK
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 21, 2012 11:17AM)
Thanks, everybody!

'The Envelope Game' can now be found on Penguin Magic here...

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2795

Or you can still buy it personally from me by sending $10 to mtricks16@aol.com through paypal.

Thanks!

Matt
Message: Posted by: snm (Aug 22, 2012 04:01AM)
Just bought this over at Penguin and read through it. LOVE it! Great routine with some awesome convincers and subtleties that really make it seem like the real deal. A+

My only issue would be that it's not really that practical for walkaround. I would love to use this in my restaurant work without having to make up a bunch of envelopes. If anyone comes up with a handling (or presentational subtlety) that would adapt this for walkaround, please let me know!

Excellent Job Matt. Keep them coming! Hope to see more of this awesome work soon!
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 22, 2012 08:54AM)
Thanks, SNM! Yeah, I wish it was easier for walk-around to! If I ever have a simple idea to make it work, will definitely let you know!

For those who haven't purchased, let it be known that this still CAN be done close-up, but is more ideal for stand-up because you're constantly ripping open envelopes. So you either have to make a bunch before your walk-around gig, or just do it with one group that you've got a good rapport with!

Matt
Message: Posted by: Dogsbody_D (Aug 23, 2012 04:45PM)
Blimey it's HARD writing reviews of magic. I mean, I'm used to dealing with SPOILERS but... so Matt, Bill, please holler if you think I've said to much. Well, I definitely say too much, but not necessarily about the effect ;)

[b]Review!?[/b]

If you have any sort of interest in mentalism, you surely know a couple of "choose an envelope - ha wrong one" type tricks. They're probably in a book you bought, or maybe one of the effects you weren't bothered about on a dvd. So why buy this one? This is where it gets HARD to write.

One answer is that in magic you are never supposed to repeat a trick, but you are always asked to, so it helps if you know another trick that's somehow related, but ideally has a totally different method, or looks like it. For me, Matt Mello's "The Envelope Game" could fulfil that role.

Officially the best magic trick I have ever done was a personalised version of Andy Nyman's "Mr Saturday Night" at my niece's christening. It was everything I'd ever wanted from magic. It was beautiful and funny and created an emotional connection. Apparently just using some cheap bits of card and envelopes! (Oh, and for all you know, magnets, electronics, GPS, IT, TT, a DL, a Svengali deck, trapdoors, and Teller hiding under the table).

Now, thanks to Matthew Mello, I know what to say at the drinks for my sister's birthday when the subject comes up if someone asks me to show them... Oh, and thanks to Bill Cushman, I know what to say I have put in one of the envelopes.

Matthew's envelope game only uses two envelopes, so it's a lot easier to have apparently just on you. I know this makes it only 50/50, but that in and of itself can become massively powerful. My feeling is that it's easier to be freaked out and not know which one to pick when the choices are so limited, and Matt's routine makes it seem like a powerful demonstration of your skills about which you are supremely confident.

I don't think you could or should perform this effect on its own. You'll probably want to have already convinced your audience of your incredible mental powers, and use this almost as an faux explanation of how you do your stuff. For that part, it's the routining and the subtleties that make "The Envelope Game" truly worthwhile. It's those touches that will cement the idea in your audience that you aren't just guessing or hoping they'll choose the right envelope - you KNEW they'd do what they did...

...and once your audience believes you can do the impossible, you really can get away with murder!
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 23, 2012 05:10PM)
Thanks, Mark, glad you enjoyed the subtleties! Agreed that this is best used in a larger set of suggestion routines, to strengthen the spectators belief in your abilities!

But at the same time, I've used this as is, just removing the envelopes from my pocket as if I play the game with people all the time, and spectators are still very intrigued by it! Though I admit I will usually do SOMETHING after. They'll be begging you to!

Matt
Message: Posted by: Dogsbody_D (Aug 23, 2012 05:39PM)
I suspect you are right Matt and that I am being what is known as "a whimp" who needs to understand audience management!

I'll let you know after the pub!
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Aug 27, 2012 02:20PM)
Hey guys,

Wanted to share a cool idea for those of you that may also own my 'Modern Mentalism' set. The main subtlety in 'The Envelope Game' goes perfectly with my 'Dark Arts' envelope! First, you show them the "suggestion" bit from The Envelope Game, then have them draw a symbol on a business card and place it inside the envelope. You can then play it up that you were imagining a specific image, and were trying to suggest it to them through your body movements. You then draw what you were concentrating on, and open the envelope to show that they match!

If anyone has any questions about this, feel free to contact me!

Matt
Message: Posted by: ranpink (Aug 27, 2012 03:01PM)
This is excellent!!! The Envelope Game is clever and practical and I echo all the positive statements made earlier in the thread. I also love Bill Cushman's idea for what to put in the envelopes. Matt is definitely on a roll...Keep it up Matt!

Ran
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Nov 21, 2012 05:33AM)
I have always enjoyed psychological type effects and which are believable from the spectator's point of view. The Envelope Game certainly is, purely based on the spectator's choice of envelope.

This may not be the most earth shattering illusion but it is intriguing, plausible and is something you can easily carry around with you and perform at a moments notice. It is something I really like and have already enjoyed some excellent results from those who have seen it. There are also some very fine touches to the routine which add to the intrigue and spectator's eventual puzzlement.

Thanks Matt, you have come up with a subtle winner.
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Dec 8, 2012 01:41PM)
Since obtaining this I have thought about several different approaches I could take but in the end settled for the one Matt describes. It is an absolute delight to perform, gets a spectator nicely involved and with plenty of scope for banter. I also like the psychological angle brought into the effect.

Although The Envelope Game may not have attracted a great deal of attention - unlike the hype surrounding some effects - it is among my favourite acquisitions of the year, principally because it is something I can use and enjoy using.

Neil
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Dec 8, 2012 02:38PM)
Thank you, Neil! Yeah, I love the psychological angle in The Envelope Game! So fun to watch them second guess themselves after you reveal the secret "suggestion"!

Matt
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Jan 16, 2016 10:54PM)
I just bought this and love it instantly. This is going straight into my program, it will be perfect as my closer to prove the point of what I've been saying during my program. The additional idea by Bill is brilliant and makes it spec-proof. Thanks Matt, this is exactly what I've been looking for regarding subliminal manipulation.

Cheers, Wardy
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Jan 17, 2016 05:15AM)
Matt has always a very creative mind :hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jan 17, 2016 06:54AM)
The Envelope Game is a real gem and a delight to perform.
Message: Posted by: Malchat (Jan 18, 2016 02:03AM)
This is one of those routines where a rather vulnerable method is covered by the two magic words: 'audience management'. Sure enough, audience management lets you accomplish any miracle but I prefer a more deceptive foundation to start with (Marc Spelmann, Kennedy, John Archer, John Riggs, Mark Leveridge et al.) There are some (original) subtleties that help cover this weakness but it's still there.

I do like the presentational 'bit of business' that's offered here, so it may be worth the reasonable asking price just for that. However it's an English language subtlety that won't benefit non-English speakers much (really wish dealers would bother noting this.)

It's an interesting idea better suited for inclusion in a larger manuscript than sold on its own merits.