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Topic: All thoughts welcome
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 21, 2012 07:38PM)
Being pretty new to the Café I would like to ask your thoughts on my new reading show backdrop designed by Scott at Look Create. This is for a reading show starting January 2014 (yes I plan that far ahead.) The ideas were a result of seeing backdrops of others reading shows - so you could call it inspiration (from Joe R and Ken S)

Can you spot all of the book references? Some are easy, some more obscure. There are approx 25 to find
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 21, 2012 08:06PM)
On 2012-08-21 06:15, Entertainer artist wrote:
Here is a new backdrop design that I have just completed for http://www.stephenschoolshow.com.au (The White Wizard above)[/quote]

Can you spot all of the book references? Some are easy, some more obscure. There are approx 25 to find

Message: Posted by: Majake314 (Aug 22, 2012 12:39AM)
I have only found 22. Better keep looking
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Aug 22, 2012 02:52AM)
I hope you don't mention that puzzle prior to the show.

It would be like having a Where's Waldo Poster behind you during the show. You could end up with people leaning to see around you. LOL

Just trying to be funny, I'm sure you have a great show. But even without telling them how many to look for there will be people who notice all the references and start counting so it could be distracting.

It certainly is colorful, cheerful and professional looking.

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: curtgunz (Aug 22, 2012 03:02AM)
On 2012-08-21 21:06, The White Wizard wrote:

Here is a new backdrop design that I have just completed for http://www.stephenschoolshow.com.au (The White Wizard above)


It looks GREAT. I really want to see your cool web site too. However, when I click the link it is dead.

Would you link to the web site again so we can see?

That picture is very professional and great.
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Aug 22, 2012 03:21AM)
White Wizard,
Great design, but I would never use it as a backdrop. It's too distracting and busy. (Also, be careful with those trademarks!)

Best wishes,
Message: Posted by: Majake314 (Aug 22, 2012 03:29AM)
I reckon it's cool! the kids will get over after 2 minutes, then it will just be a backdrop. Good for photos!!!!!
The only one that might have a trademark problem is the batman one (top right). Everything else is a more cartoony version of the original.
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 22, 2012 03:42AM)
Hi Curtguns - yes the website is curently being made and will not be active until January - that is when the shows are being booked :)
Yes Kevin and Mary I agree it is busy and will be having a rather blandish world map in front while the show is running. Kids will see it complete when the show is done and can try to identify books while waiting to be dismissed. I will see how it goes.

Hey Jake - have spoken in weeks:) yes children will only be seeing the whole thing after the show is complete. The school Library will have a coulouring in of my backdrop and logo
to hand to student s who borrow books for the week. :)
Message: Posted by: Entertainer artist (Aug 22, 2012 05:25AM)
What have people found so far? I wonder what is the hardest to spot?
Message: Posted by: kenscott (Aug 22, 2012 11:22AM)
Glad you got some good ideas. I love backdrops and have been using them for many years in my schools. Distraction? Yes can be yours is a little busy BUT in schools the backdrop can be apart of the show. for me the show starts the moment the kids sit down and have to wait on the others to arrive. So what do they do they look at the backdrop and see fun things and notice things. I cannot tell you how many times I get comments from the schools talking about my backdrops. Do go for it.

Message: Posted by: Leland (Aug 22, 2012 11:56AM)
Looks like a fun design that the kids will be sure to enjoy. Go for it!
Message: Posted by: Red Shadow (Aug 22, 2012 12:12PM)
Have you heard of an iPhone / iPad game called 'say what you see'? It's basically twenty or so pictures like yours, all themed to a certain subject. I think you'll like it.

Anyway, I love the backdrop and think it will make your show any better. My advise is to keep it up during the entire show. Yes, it may be a little distracting, but that's a good thing. Were on stage for 1 or 2 hours, kids eyes like to wonder. I would rather keep their eyes focused on me, or my backdrop and not something else. It keeps the audience looking in your general direction. I also think it looks fun and that's important.

Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Aug 22, 2012 12:13PM)
That looks awesome! I'd love to decorate an actual room like that! I think I found all 25, assuming that there are repeats of story items. Let's see....
Peter Pan (twice)
Snow White (twice)
The Mousetrap
The Spiderwick chronicles
Harry Potter (twice)
The lightning thief
Green Lantern
The cat in the hat
the frog prince
Beauty & the beast
Robin hood
Jack & the beanstalk
Little red riding hood
The 3 little pigs
The city of Amber
Message: Posted by: harris (Aug 22, 2012 12:44PM)
On site marketing...I can dig it. (theme for our regional 2013 Library shows)

I hope you "hook" lots of interest and "book" many programs. Your backdrop is "precious".

Do you use a chair similar to the one pictured. At some libraries they have a reading chair, that I use as part of my program.

Aside: In my office at the high school, I have a wonderful comfy rocker. Students and staff of all ages, seem to be drawn to it.

happy reading

on his reading table "The Book Thief", by Zusak
Message: Posted by: Entertainer artist (Aug 22, 2012 04:12PM)
Hello Mighty Fool

Peter Pan (twice) Tick
Snow White (twice) Tick
The Mousetrap Cross
Dracula Tick
Batman Tick
Spiderman Tick
Iron-man Tick
The Spiderwick chronicles Cross (What did you think was that?)
Harry Potter (twice) Tick
The lightning thief Cross
Green Lantern Tick
The cat in the hat Tick
Alladin Tick
the frog prince Tick
Beauty & the beast Tick
Cinderella Tick
Robin hood Tick
Jack & the beanstalk Tick
Frankenweenie Tick
Little red riding hood Tick
The 3 little pigs Tick
The city of Amber Cross

You got most of them
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Aug 23, 2012 02:07AM)
I thought the ring amulet hanging on the hat rack was that thing they look through in order to see the magical creatures in the SWC.

So, I cant figure out the lighning bolt or the 2 bolts by the left picture, or the chees by the mousehole (if that's anything) or the hanging amulet.

Oh, waitaminnut....Alladin is TWICE! (the carpet and the lamp!)

And I suppose the little UFO's in the dracula picture are something, and mabye the chair itself....
Message: Posted by: Entertainer artist (Aug 23, 2012 03:09AM)
Yes there are two Aladdin features.
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 23, 2012 05:05AM)
Hi Ken - thank you for the input and keep the inspiration flowing. Leland I honestly believe so too. Harris I am a sucker for puns - your post gave me a great chuckle :).
Yo mighty Fool most of your spots were correct - however The Mousetrap, The lightning thief and The city of Amber are the only incorrect one - good work :)

Question - what would you do with this background?
a) Have students search for book titles while all students arrive for the show?
b) Leave the search for the end just before dismissal?
c) Both before and after?
Message: Posted by: Majake314 (Aug 23, 2012 05:12AM)
I probably wouldn't even mention it at the show. Too much distraction I believe.

If you are putting a black and white version of this on your colouring page that would be great and you could mention the challenge there.
The kids will recognize the image from your backdrop and then have fun colouring and searching for book titles.
Message: Posted by: Joseph_Then (Aug 23, 2012 08:22AM)
The backdrop looks great. And I do agree with some of them that it can be a little too distracting to your show. But depending on your purpose, this could be a very good design.

My only comment is: Move your website address to the top. That's advertising for you and not many people will see your website address when you stand in front of the design.
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Aug 23, 2012 11:20AM)
It depends on the age. Mabye while youre setting up or backstage, and your music is playing, have the kids looking to keep them occupied.....mabye even have the music featured in each of the stories represented? Then at the start, ask who found them and have them come up and show which one they found with a laser-pointer, and give 'em a prize. (You don't have to do ALL of them though)
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 23, 2012 03:30PM)
Majake yes I will be giving the colouring page to the librarian for activities for library to organize.
Joseph - yes, free advertising is worth it - good point.
The Mighty Fool - yes I was going to have and children who help pick out the book reference we used in the trick/effect.laser-pointer is also a great idea too - thank you.
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Aug 29, 2012 01:09PM)
Oh, CRAP!!! *smacks forehead* What was I thinking??

Lord of the rings!!
Message: Posted by: The Great Zucchini (Aug 29, 2012 01:14PM)
Steven, Awesome back drop, bro. Here's the thing, though. If performing at a preshool or kindergarten, I wouldn't have it behind you, though, because for this particular age group, it will take away from you. Meaning, you could be doing something hysterical, and although they are looking straight ahead, they might be looking right through you, at something on your design. As far school age shows, listen to others advice on those. Your bud, Gz
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 29, 2012 03:22PM)
Yes agreed GZ - The prep and preschool children will not be watching the show, they would not see me as they would be looking at the backdrop. I have a trial run for the show in December (that is the end of the school year here) I will make more decisions then.

TMF - ding, ding, ding - correct (lol)
Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 29, 2012 08:31PM)
Hey GZ - got those December dates sorted yet mate?
Message: Posted by: The Great Zucchini (Aug 29, 2012 09:03PM)
Lol, Steven, I'm going to try man. I just might of spoken to soon, as I want to come to Austraila more than anything, but I have some insane projects coming up, that might be keeping me here. Don't bet the farm on it, but I'm going to try though.
Message: Posted by: MickNZ (Aug 30, 2012 01:19AM)
Disney are VERY protective of their trademarked characters, be careful.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hilly (Aug 30, 2012 09:15AM)
The Spiderman mask, the Batman symbol, the magic mirror, the green lantern, the hat the cat is wearing, and possibly even the tea cup, are going to get you into trouble if the copyright owners see them. All you need is one time on YouTube, facebook, or even in a local paper and lawyers could break your business. As MickNZ said, Disney has teams of lawyers and assistants whose job it is to scour the internet looking for such things. They'll send you one 'cease and desist' letter and act severely if you continue. It just ain't worth it.

I have a friend who was using Mickey, Donald, and Pluto in a routine. He was told to stop but he didn't. He got sued and lost everything, including his house.

I got busted by the American Library Association for using one of their images in my brochure a few years ago and am banned from attending any conferences. The material was only going to libraies and I'm even a memeber of the ALA. I was doing around 60 libraries each summer, now I only get a few local ones where they've known me personally for many years.

Like I said, it just ain't worth the trouble.
Message: Posted by: ColinDymond (Aug 30, 2012 11:24AM)
How are you having it printed? What system are you using to put it up?
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Aug 30, 2012 02:15PM)
I think it's a beautiful backdrop, although I agree it's very distracting. The colourful design could easily make your props tricky to see from some angles. I love the idea of having everyone search out all the books....but sadly, I concur with Bill Hilly.

I think your design includes way too many trademarked images. The one that leapt out at me was the Spiderman Mask. I'd suggest the most sensible thing to do would be to send your design to all the companies whose trademarked images appear, and ask their permission to allow you to use them. Your chances of getting permission are very low, but if you explain that it's for an educational show, and that you'd like to include the particular images because you want to encourage kids to read (say) the Spiderman books/mags, you just might manage it.

Sorry to be so negative, because I really like your idea, and your image. It is quite beautifully designed and thought out. But I suspect those trademark images will be a problem. Although it might be a pain in the butt right now, you'd be better to get on top of this rather important issue before you take it any further, in my opinion. You may be forced to re-design the image, using images which aren't trademarked.....if, for instance, you had a picture of a spider next to a man, it would still be "Spiderman".....this would not infringe copyright.

Message: Posted by: The White Wizard (Aug 31, 2012 02:21AM)
Well to fix the trade marks is to alter a few images - no problems :)good advice. Thank you all :)