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Topic: Spin-it by David Frampton-Free Download-Balcony Productions!
Message: Posted by: WeiserSide1 (Sep 6, 2012 06:14PM)
Spin It - David Frampton (Instant Download)
Spin It is a visual card transposition where two cards bolted together instantly switch places in front of the audiences eyes. No tricky sleight of hand, no huge set-up, just a simple and astonishing effect.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Schaller (Sep 7, 2012 03:17AM)
I recommend you to check it out and DOWNLOAD it. It's FREE!
When I was shown this, I was playing around with it all day because its fun and impresses yourself while doing it!

Kevin
Message: Posted by: gitty (Sep 9, 2012 10:30AM)
A very nice trick and it's for free!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 9, 2012 11:07AM)
I wasn't even aware of what was happening through 3/4 of the demo.

I would NEVER carry this around with me. I can think of around 200 other things I'd like to perform that will amaze and not put them to sleep.
Message: Posted by: Magicsquared (Sep 9, 2012 12:05PM)
Huh.

I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be seeing here. I realize that the red and blue cards are changing their position, but it's done with a very blatant move so it's quite obvious how it's done.

I'm not saying there isn't a seed of an effect here. There is. But that seed was already turned into an effect called Out of Order by Angelo Carbone, many years ago. No herky-jerky moves, just a very simple straightforward effect.
Message: Posted by: ABK-Magic (Sep 9, 2012 12:17PM)
Hello magic friends and magic lovers,

this is for free, so if you don't like it, just don't use it. You haven't lost anything. Just a funny thing to play with. Not everything has to be hard hitting magic. Sometimes there are just small things that is fun to play with. And we wanted to share this little thing for FREE.

All the best

Alex
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 9, 2012 02:05PM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-09 13:17, ABK-Magic wrote:
Not everything has to be hard hitting magic.
[/quote]

I wouldn't agree with that. Not everything has to be a $60 gaff, but why do anything if it doesn't have hard hitting impact? I'd rather change a card in their hand then do something so-so as a throwaway.

I understand it's free, but this section is too comment on whatever is posted, free or otherwise.
Message: Posted by: gitty (Sep 9, 2012 02:19PM)
Alex,
thanks for doing that!
Message: Posted by: ABK-Magic (Sep 9, 2012 03:01PM)
Hi zombie,

I understand what you mean. Did you try the effect already? My laymen like it. it is more like a puzzle.

all the best

alex
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 9, 2012 03:07PM)
Alex, it's not something I would ever do, so I didn't take the free offer. I'm sure anything you do for people is a big hit. I'm not as talented, so I have to be very choosey what I'll bother to learn.
Message: Posted by: ABK-Magic (Sep 9, 2012 03:11PM)
Hi Zombie,

Then I hope we have somerhing for you with our next releases, I am sorry I couldn't serve you with this one, and I am sure there will be something :D.
For all the others who want to give this a try, I wish a lot of fun.

all the best

alex
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Sep 9, 2012 03:21PM)
Alex, I'm a fan of you and your magic and I look forward to seeing more from you. I'm just a hobby geek. I bet the workers on the Café will love to perform Spin-it.
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Sep 9, 2012 10:44PM)
I would have one of the cards signed so it's more obvious what's going on.
Message: Posted by: ABK-Magic (Sep 10, 2012 06:04AM)
Good idea Stucky. You can also put them face to face and do an Zone X type of effect.

All the best

Alex
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Sep 15, 2012 07:42AM)
Hey all,

It's Dave. I have been on holiday and I have just got back. Thanks for the feedback on the "effect". The idea behind this wasn't to release a hard hitting effect or anything like that. It was just a new way to use an old technique and we figured that maybe you guys would have some use for it. Maybe you could come up with an effective way to use it as a part of a routine, maybe it will inspire something better, maybe you will just have fun with it or maybe you will hate it and forget about it. It was just a tid-bit we had and figured you guys might like or may find some use for in the future, which is why we released it for free. I completely understand that you may not want use it as an individual effect, but to laymen it does seem to produce a reaction when you put it into a routine. On my holiday I was using it as a part of an ambitious card routine and it got really good reactions.

The way I personally see magic (particularly learning magic) is that the small things may all come in use one day and not to throw anything away, so instead of just leaving this on the side, we decided to share with you.

@Zombie @Magicsquared, thanks particularly for your feedback I appreciate your input and hopefully the next free download we have is something that you will like more or have more use for.

If anyone does come up with a nice way to use this, feel free to record a video and send it to us (or a link to it) and I will happily put it up on the balcony page. It could be an interesting magic community experiment. We will also try to do the same. After all, more minds are better than one :D

Thanks again, if you have any further questions, constructive criticism or anything else feel free to post or send me a personal message.

Kind regards,

Dave
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Sep 28, 2012 05:35PM)
It would have been nice to get a credit.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Sep 28, 2012 06:39PM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-10 07:04, ABK-Magic wrote:
Good idea Stucky. You can also put them face to face and do an Zone X type of effect.

All the best

Alex
[/quote]

You could also add a couple cards and make it more deceptive, then do something that REALLY appeals to the sensibilities of your audience like start with them out of order and then...

Angelo can probaby explain it to you better than me.


DD
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Oct 2, 2012 07:45AM)
Hi Angelo,

First I should explain how this effect came to be. I was sat at my PC playing around with cards, I bolted them together and then realized that by cutting the edge of the cards they could switch positions when revolved. There was no outside influence, inspiration or anything like that. So it was impossible to research...Short of buying every single piece of magic material ever recorded or written there was no way I could have known who deserved any credit in the effect. I knew that the method was nothing new and had been around for a long time and I found a couple of effects that used the same method in a different way, neither of which was yours. I also asked some magic friends and they too said that the method was old and that numerous magicians had used it in various effects, but none of them knew who, on what DVD or in which book. So I was stuck and there was no way I could find out the original creator of the method in order to give credit.

So with that being said, I apologize that you were not credited in the effect. But I literally did not know that you should have been. Are you the original creator of this method? If you can confirm that you are the first ever person to create this method of transposing cards I will happily credit you on the website and I will provide a link to your website for users to follow.

Kind regards,

Dave
Message: Posted by: ABK-Magic (Oct 2, 2012 02:16PM)
Hey Angelo,

concerning credits, this idea goes way back to 1936 Tom Seller's "New Principle Card Trick". From this time on a lot of magicians used this variation in different effects, for example Harry Lorane, Bruce Cervone and Larry Jennings just to name a few. And when Dave showed us the effect we did our research on this as we always do. And because it is almost 100 years old, we saw it as a classic and we just made the classic a bit more modern.

I wish you all the best

Alex
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Oct 2, 2012 03:51PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-02 08:45, abra_kadabra wrote:
Hi Angelo,

First I should explain how this effect came to be. I was sat at my PC playing around with cards, I bolted them together and then realized that by cutting the edge of the cards they could switch positions when revolved. There was no outside influence, inspiration or anything like that. So it was impossible to research...Short of buying every single piece of magic material ever recorded or written there was no way I could have known who deserved any credit in the effect. I knew that the method was nothing new and had been around for a long time and I found a couple of effects that used the same method in a different way, neither of which was yours. I also asked some magic friends and they too said that the method was old and that numerous magicians had used it in various effects, but none of them knew who, on what DVD or in which book. So I was stuck and there was no way I could find out the original creator of the method in order to give credit.

So with that being said, I apologize that you were not credited in the effect. But I literally did not know that you should have been. Are you the original creator of this method? If you can confirm that you are the first ever person to create this method of transposing cards I will happily credit you on the website and I will provide a link to your website for users to follow.

Kind regards,

Dave
[/quote]

Hello Dave

Usually a good place to research a new effect is to ask on a forum where then are thousands of brains out there that could help. Limiting to just a few friends is not enough. Had you asked on this forum or Genii forum, you may have got some pointers to my effect. There are a few threads. Effort is just required.

I think you have openly contradicted yourself. You say and I quote that your effect "was impossible to research", so if you did not research as it was 'impossible' then how did you know there were other versions which were older and the method was nothing new? You say "I knew that the method was nothing new and had been around for a long time and I found a couple of effects that used the same method". To me that sounds like research. But you could not know all this unless you researched, but you couldn't because it was impossible. I am confused. That is good that you have managed to discover years old versions but not my one which was 18 years old. You have also asked friends and they too said the method was old and that numerous versions have used it in many effects. Great! Could you kindly send me a PM with the title of these various effects that use this principle as I am intrigued to know. Maybe I need to be give credit too! I look forward to your PM.

You sound like you are being a little sarcastic in asking me if I am the first person to create the method to transposing cards. I hope not. :)
Roughing fluid is an old principle. Short and long cards are an old principle. It doesn't mean because something is 'old' you can just do what you want with a priniciple without proper research. The principle used of two cards transposing around a metal object (rivet/pivot/rod - what have you) is unique to me. Prior to that the combination of effect and method did not exist.

Danny Orleans reviewed it in Genii Magazine in 1995 FYI.

Thanks and can't wait to find out the other versions in a PM so I can learn too!

Angelo
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Oct 2, 2012 03:59PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-02 15:16, ABK-Magic wrote:
Hey Angelo,

concerning credits, this idea goes way back to 1936 Tom Seller's "New Principle Card Trick". From this time on a lot of magicians used this variation in different effects, for example Harry Lorane, Bruce Cervone and Larry Jennings just to name a few. And when Dave showed us the effect we did our research on this as we always do. And because it is almost 100 years old, we saw it as a classic and we just made the classic a bit more modern.

I wish you all the best

Alex
[/quote]

Hi Alex!

Thanks for the reply.

Tom Seller's New Principle Card Trick did not involve any rivets or bolts or fastenings. It looked different and handling was different. The effect and method combo is unique to me. If the exact effect and method combination was in print 100 years ago then fine, but it wasn't. I am suprised that you have managed to find out variations from Lorane, Cervone, Jennings and others but you did not come across mine which is 18 years old, has been on the market, on youtube, on websites, on review sites and other forums and even written about in my Genii cover story. I take offence you left me out ;-)

For my reference, can you please PM me a list of the variations as used by the names you listed and the others (to name but a few) as I think it would be good for me to know the full history should I need to give credit.

Many thanks!

Angelo
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Oct 2, 2012 05:49PM)
Hi Angelo,

I didn't contradict myself, I just didn't explain myself very clearly :D What I meant was that it was impossible to find every single version of the effect. I did carry out research with the help of Alex, asked friends and so on...But unfortunately I didn't come across you or your effect (It was impossible to research fully). Also thanks for your research advice, I appreciate it.

Alex has stated some of the people that have used the method and the only addition to these that I can make is an effect by Dennis Behr and something I found on MagicShop.co.uk which I have forgotten the name of and I can't seem to find any more, but these were both quite recent. I do find it hard to believe that in the time between the first release of this method in 1936 and 1994 (58 years) that you were the FIRST person to come up with the idea of using a bolt/pivot point between the cards. Especially considering I came up with it independently within 10 mins sat at my PC playing with the original method/idea. However, I do not have the resources to find out weather you were indeed the first.

But in any case, I will happily credit you on the website should you wish. Please rest assured I was not being sarcastic. If I am in the wrong, I will happily throw my hands up and do what I can to make it right. But I am not in the wrong, I just didn't find you in my research. You sound like you are being a little condescending in your response to my message. I hope not :) (Just kidding).

Kind regards,

Dave
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 2, 2012 06:15PM)
"Abra,-abra-cadabra
I want to reach out and grab ya"

...Steve Miller
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Oct 2, 2012 06:23PM)
"Zombie, Zombie, Zombie Nation"

...Kernkraft 400
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Oct 2, 2012 06:29PM)
Ok one more post from me and that's it. So let's presume I didn't create the effect and Denis Behr did. Don't you think it would have been nice to credit Denis on a similar use of the principle? There are zero credits to any names in the video. Not even Tom Sellers.
I still await your PM with the tricks you say use the same method. I would hate to think you were lying and just speaking generally just to make it sound you did do some research. Prove me wrong and I shall eat my hat. ;-)
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Oct 2, 2012 07:39PM)
Hi Angelo,

As Alex has already explained to you in an email, which, among other things you seem to have conveniently overlooked or ignored, we didn't credit those people because it will instantly let people know how those effects work. I also resent the fact that you have implied I am lying, and in no way should I have to prove myself to you. But I have sent you a PM anyway with the resources I had along with an explanation of what you seem to have not read or misunderstood (weather you accept them or not, I don't care).

I have been friendly, open for discussion, accepting of your opinion and have offered to rectify the whole crediting thing, just to be met with condescension, incorrect implications and selective reading. So this too is my last message to you, and I would like to finish up by saying you are an exceptionally creative magician and I applaud the success that you have had. I wish you all the best for the future.

Kind regards,

Dave

** Please forward all further communication regarding this matter to Alex@balconyproductions.com **
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Oct 2, 2012 08:21PM)
Hi Dave,

I obviously can't count or read as I am replying now. I can change my mind.

Thanks for your PM and listing only one name as a source - Denis Behr. A variation he did some years after mine. Quite a good number short from the "numerous magicians who have used it on various effects". I thought it was too good to be true.

No incorrect implications on my part. Your resource list of "numerous magicians" - one name, shows that to me. Also I can read very well thank you! I can even read between the lines and spot your sarcasm and arrogance. :)

All of this could have been avoided if people make more of an effort to research.

It sounds like a good game plan... to come up with a trick, afterwards realise it could be similar to an existing trick on the market, but expose it anyway and get out of crediting by justifying it would expose the marketed trick's secret. Here's an idea... how about not releasing a video in the first place?

Thanks for your wishes.

Ditto!

Angelo.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Oct 2, 2012 09:11PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-02 20:39, abra_kadabra wrote:
Hi Angelo,

....we didn't credit those people because it will instantly let people know how those effects work. I also resent the fact that you have implied I am lying...
[/quote]

Oh sweet Jayzus...
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (Oct 2, 2012 10:09PM)
Dave I apologise for saying some unfavorable things. I should know better.

Frustration got the better of me.

Angelo.
Message: Posted by: abra_kadabra (Oct 2, 2012 10:16PM)
Thanks Angelo,

I too apologize for anything I have said or done that made you frustrated. It wasn't intentional.

Dave
Message: Posted by: jackaboy (Apr 18, 2016 05:29PM)
I actually like playing with this
i use a brass fastener
you can do it have the cards signed then punched fasten transpose then rip off to leave you examinable
Message: Posted by: Slackerking (Apr 18, 2016 10:34PM)
On the second page already and it's mostly a bunch of whining about a free gift, and people needing their ego stroked. Thank you for posting something out of the kindness of your hearts. Sadly that's not enough for some. But it's appreciated.
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Apr 18, 2016 11:55PM)
I agree It's Free ! Get over it ! he is nice enough to do this .
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Apr 19, 2016 12:29AM)
I sure hope these "bunch of whining" and "Get over it..." comments aren't in reference to Angelo Carbone's posts. Otherwise I'm not sure which posts you're talking about.

Thank you.

Jim
Message: Posted by: rowland (Apr 19, 2016 01:40AM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2016, Slackerking wrote:
On the second page already and it's mostly a bunch of whining about a free gift, and people needing their ego stroked. Thank you for posting something out of the kindness of your hearts. Sadly that's not enough for some. But it's appreciated. [/quote]

I agree the fact that some people,have the cheek,to criticise something that they are getting for free is unbelievable. What total ar ******s