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Topic: Center tear help
Message: Posted by: sc24evr (Oct 26, 2003 12:01PM)
I have been reading Corrinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism and I came across a very interesting centre tear routine. After performing the move he uses matches to destroy the evidence.

I really enjoy this routine but I believe sometimes matches and fire isn't suitable. Do any of you have a recommendation on how to perform this trick without the use of fire yet still being able to destroy the evidence? Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Menetekel (Oct 26, 2003 12:43PM)
Change your approach and use a center tear in which no-stealing is involved.

If you ask me, the new PERFECTED CENTER TEAR by Richard Osterlind (both in his book or in his new videos) will perfectly do the job.

But my opinion is strongly biased because I'm a BIG Richard Osterlind fan! Eh! Eh! :)

Menetekel
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 26, 2003 01:28PM)
I second Menetekel in this.

After I learned the PCT I use it all the time - right under the spectactors nose.

The tear is (almost) undetectable, and it is no evidence to get rid of.
You give all the pieces to the spectactor.

Osterlind says in his PCT book that he breaks the rule of not doing a routine twice for the same spectactors all the time, when he uses this routine.
My reccomendation; Just get it!
Sven
Message: Posted by: Glenn (Oct 26, 2003 02:41PM)
Also Lee Earle's Center Tear has a great hidden peek.
Check out his center tear teach in video.
Message: Posted by: rgranville (Oct 26, 2003 03:58PM)
And if you read Richard Busch's [i]Peek Performances,[/i] you'll see yet another way to do a center tear without burning the remnants.
:banana:
Message: Posted by: Lee Marelli (Oct 26, 2003 04:20PM)
The suggestions are excellent. I particulary like and use Osterlind's since it can be done with "dry hands."

You are absolutely right about avoiding the old fashioned bit of burning the paper since many places now discourage the burning of anything as a potential fire hazard. If you are performing for an event, make sure you check out whether they will permit the burning. The safe way is just forget it and try the recommended tears. Hope this helps. :angry:
Message: Posted by: sc24evr (Oct 26, 2003 04:57PM)
Thanks everyone, I'm looking forward to buying Osterlind's book. Thanks again
Message: Posted by: vratkins (Oct 26, 2003 09:58PM)
Mike,
There's a variation in Corinda's that doesn't require burning. It's by Punx, I think. It's still the classic CT, but has a nice big throw off. I could never get the pieces to burn properly in an ash tray anyway.

In addition to what Menetekel says, I would also suggest you look into the Bruce Bernstein tear, and "centear", from Mind Myth and Magic. I use Centear, just because it's the first one I learned, not because it's better than Bernstein's. Unlike Richard's, you can use any paper.

You know, If curcumstances permit, I really think that burning the paper adds so much to the presentation. It makes is seem more mysterous.

Regards,
Victor
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 27, 2003 12:36AM)
[quote]
On 2003-10-26 22:58, vratkins wrote:
Mike,
it's better than Bernstein's. Unlike Richard's, you can use any paper.



[/quote]

Eh...With respect, Victor, you can use any paper for Richard Osterlind too.

Sven
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Oct 27, 2003 02:00AM)
Yep, I agree. Finally gathered up the cojones to do Ricahrd's Center Tear last night and had an absolute blast!

It was the only thing I've done thus far where the people I was doing it for were completely insistent on doing it again...and again...

Thanks to Richard's teaching, I did it sitting directly next to the person I was doing it with...she was amazed and insistently told EVERYONE that she was watching nothing but my hands and the writing was never in a place it could be seen.

I love it!

And, for the record, I used simply every day copy paper. ::shrug::

E
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 27, 2003 04:23AM)
[quote]
On 2003-10-27 03:00, MisterE21 wrote:


Thanks to Richard's teaching, I did it sitting directly next to the person I was doing it with...writing was never in a place it could be seen.


[/quote]

I even do it surrounded, - no problems! People can't see anything.
Message: Posted by: Thoughtreader (Oct 27, 2003 01:03PM)
Rather than tearing the paper, better to study and learn the peeks in Richard Busch's "Peek Performances" which will give you many ways to gain the info with no need to destroy anything AND in Peek Encores, there is a way to let them drop their paper into a glass and you can still peek the info.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
Message: Posted by: Richard Busch (Oct 27, 2003 03:31PM)
Since some here have asked, here is the information -

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Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 27, 2003 04:37PM)
Why in the wide world carry around a GLASS to drop billets into?
If this is logical, somebody has to explain to me WHY it is.

Sven
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Oct 27, 2003 05:18PM)
Sven,

No one would carry a glass around to drop billets into in casual circumstances. In a formal performance, having the glass on hand so the performer never touches the billet and it always remains in view would be as logical as much of what we do, perhaps even moreso. There are various billet holders used by top mentalists, that simply hold a billet on display while it is not in use or while it's innards are being divined. This (you should see the glass Richard suggests) is actually a classier solution and less gimmicky than any of the stands I've seen. And Richard's use is a stroke of genius.

In many casual venues the right glass will be nearby. If so, and you know what to do, miracle time. Hope that helps.

Bill
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 27, 2003 05:33PM)
Thanks, Bill
On your recommendation I guess I will look into this material.
Regards
Sven
Message: Posted by: Menetekel (Oct 27, 2003 05:40PM)
Bill is right on this one and I'm sure Peek Encores is a well thought of book, I love the Acidus Novus and other peeks too but I still prefer the Osterlind tear and I have no problems with tearing.

Let's face it, once upon a time there was tear+burn. Then some magical minds thought that tearing+burning was a sort of overkill or highly illogical (not that TRUE MAGICK has to follow logic, anyway). Now we come to the point in which tearing is illogical too. Bah!

If this is something to advertise the new Peek Encores in every section of the Café, then so be it but telling that it's better a no-tear method rather than a tear one is purely subjective.

How would SOME people react if the opposite was happening in this thread, specifically Richard Osterlind posting to say something on the line of "peeking is good but it's better if you study my PERFECTED CENTER TEAR booklet or buy my videos OSTERLIND MYSTERIES directly from me or from L&L Publishing" ?

And, in any case, even if Richard Osterlind did, would be, in a sense, more in tune with the topic of this thread that is "CENTRE TEAR HELP"


Menetekel
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 27, 2003 05:49PM)
Well spoken, Menetekel.

Sven
Message: Posted by: Richard Busch (Oct 27, 2003 06:28PM)
Gentlemen -

You misunderstand. I posted the annoucement here because it was mentioned here and I was specifically asked to (by someone I don't even know on the Café). It was a courtesy. That's why it is not listed as a separate catagory.

The people that have name billets available are my friends and respected colleagues. We all just release what we use and prefer. There is no "best". Properly performed, they are all good. Tearing is not illogical. It just isn't automatically necessary, unless it fits your character and you want to do it.

Any further questions, please contact me privately.

Sincerely,

Richard Busch
Message: Posted by: shrink (Oct 27, 2003 09:45PM)
Ive seen the Osterlind video where he does the centre tear a number of times in a group before or after the show. And if Richard had advertised it and I bought it I would've been happy with the buy. It is a great learning tool. Even although I don't use the centre tear.

I think really these new peeks are where the future is going with billets. Up until I discovered Alain's Billet moves I wouldn't touch a billet.

If Richards new book is in the same league and I trust Bill's enthusiasm then its a must buy if you want to move beyond where you are.

If you are happy using centre tears and don't want to explore these new ways then that's fine to. These new peeks have more applications than tears and are totally innocent to watch.

:angel:

But I know what you mean it would be nice to see some posts from these guys now and again instead of only when they are selling something. However I will more than likely get this new book.
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Oct 28, 2003 11:01AM)
May I say that what is so important in our work is to have a number of different devices available to attain information. We can never be too well prepared. Richard Busch's works are mandatory reading and he is a giant in our field. I can only begin to wonder how much further we will be a few years from now with great minds like his.

To add one other bit of information to this thread, my late friend Al Mann had a brilliant way to get rid of the pieces without burning. This works great if you are situated in one spot and are doing readings using a center tear. Just get a dark colored wine bottle and stick the torn pieces into it after doing the steal! It works great and makes all the sense in the world.

Richard
Message: Posted by: shrink (Oct 28, 2003 11:11AM)
[quote]
On 2003-10-27 22:45, shrink wrote:
Ive seen the Osterlind video where he does the centre tear a number of times in a group before or after the show. And if Richard had advertised it and I bought it I would've been happy with the buy. It is a great learning tool. Even although I don't use the centre tear.



[/quote]

Gee Im quoting myself! Wait a minute? It was advertised somewhere on the Café I think?
And I did buy it and I am more than happy with it! :rotf: I can also recommend Richard O's Steel Blindfold its really cool.
Message: Posted by: BonzoTheClown (Oct 28, 2003 01:01PM)
I can't recall anyone asking me:

"Why are you tearing it up for?"

There isn't anything illogical really about tearing. Even burning can have a place (although I stopped burning many moons ago after the pieces just refused to burn leaving me look rather silly).

Tearing only become illogical if you have made the suggestion previously that you are having the thought committed possibly for later verification.

I have one routine that makes use of a tear. Justification for the tear is built into the routine which is great for people who worry about such things.

Having different ways to obtain information is important as it means you avoid using the same process throughout.

If you are going to tear in a way that leaves you with 'something guilty' do make sure you get rid of it safely. Don't stick it in the the bin (garbage) at the location you are performing.

Marc Climens
Message: Posted by: shrink (Oct 29, 2003 12:13PM)
The other thing about centre tears they have been exposed quite a lot. Even although you do a great tear and no one sees how its done it may still raise suspiscion. Where the other kind look totally innocent if done right.
Message: Posted by: Scott Grimm (Oct 29, 2003 03:20PM)
The problem I have always had with it was wondering why do you tear it up and then burn it? If you want to burn it, just burn it. So learning the PCT and some good peeks was like an epiphony. Thank you, Richard! You too, Richard!
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Oct 29, 2003 05:04PM)
You also might like to check out the Ja Ja Center tear from the first of the Jas Jakutsch three volume set of books "Completely Mental".
It is pretty much hinted at in these books that the author is really Gary Kurtz.
Message: Posted by: Imhotep (Oct 31, 2003 04:59AM)
Hi Sc24evr,

I would encourage you to learn as much as you can about different methods of doing the Center Tear as possible. I this way, you can find one that is ideal for you.

You don't need to burn the paper.

While the Center Tear has been exposed in children's books and the like, those Mentalists who are really working for real people still continue to use it, and truly mystify people.

Done well, it is a complete mind blower. A great illustration of this is to see the bonus footage on Richard Osterlind's recent video/DVD release. He does it informally for a group of people standing in a kitchen between filming. He does it over and over, and KILLS with it.

Most Mentalists would not encourage you do do it again and again for the same group. but the point is, if presented well, it will kill every time.

There is another video available of a Mentalist who performs and teaches a Center Tear mehtod. He presents the version as his own, although that Center Tear is actually Al Baker's. I guess if you steal from the dead, they can't come back to haunt you...

If you wish to learn as much about the Center Tear as possible, get a copy of the now out-of-print, "The Purloined Thought" by Al Mann. It is, to date, the most comprehensive book on center tear methods. You can do a search on eBay. Sometimes, copies show up there. You will see Al Baker's method there also. He is given full credit in Al Mann's book, however.

As mentioned previously, it is also good to know some peek methods. Richard Busch's books are excellent.

I hope this is a help.

Imhotep
Message: Posted by: georgewkaye (Oct 31, 2003 03:16PM)
Somebody - I forget who, gave me a very good idea.
Ask somebody to think of something, write it on the paper and fold it up.
Try to read their mind and fail completly! Tear up the paper and throw it away.
Ask them to repeat the effect, this time tearing up the paper themselves whilst you turn your back - and read the first center that you have.
The spectator will remember that they wrote the word on the paper and tore it up! They will forget that you got your sticky mits on it at all!
Huge fun! Obviously you can't repeat it to the same spectator but hey!
George. :jump:
Message: Posted by: sc24evr (Oct 31, 2003 05:05PM)
Ya ive heard of that one too. It was in Corinda's 13 steps to mentalism
Message: Posted by: GothicBen (Oct 31, 2003 06:16PM)
George Anderson suggested something similar, I believe.

Ben
Message: Posted by: dyddanwy (Nov 3, 2003 07:55AM)
Ted Lesley also suggested the 'write it again' idea as an 'out' when the spectaotor's writing was illegible. While they are rewriting it with your back turned, you have an excellent opportunity to scritinise the original.

JD :dance: