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Topic: Magic Koins France
Message: Posted by: helder (Nov 30, 2012 04:52PM)
Does anyone bought coins from http://www.magikoins.com/ ?


:)
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Nov 30, 2012 05:12PM)
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On 2012-11-30 17:52, helder wrote:
Does anyone bought coins from http://www.magikoins.com/ ? :)
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Nope - and at those prices, I don't think I ever will.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Nov 30, 2012 05:21PM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-30 18:12, Merc Man wrote:
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On 2012-11-30 17:52, helder wrote:
Does anyone bought coins from http://www.magikoins.com/ ? :)
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Nope - and at those prices, I don't think I ever will.
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Saving for a close up mat? :P

I'm not blown away by what I see...certainly pictures aren't the same thing as handling the coins but at those prices I'm skeptical of the quality compared to the other established manufacturers.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 1, 2012 02:06PM)
Hi All,

Sceptical ?
- I'm established from 3 years now, and I have a realy good feed back ;)
- Perhaps you can trust in magicians who have already order and leave a Testimonial : http://magikoins.com/en/Testi/

The prices, yes expensive, but all is made by my hands, no CNC or other automatic mechanism.

if you want have more informations about my products, you can add me on Facebook to know more on me and my products.

You can also send me an email to thierry@magikoins.com.

ThierryB

MagiKoinS aka M.K.S Gaffs.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 1, 2012 06:11PM)
Good mail address is thierry@magikoins.com

(no dot at the end)
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 1, 2012 06:21PM)
I do like the varitys that are available.
todd
Message: Posted by: motown (Dec 2, 2012 10:03AM)
I like the look of the Okito boxes. Very nice.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Dec 2, 2012 12:07PM)
Some of the non-US coins look great! I always have a difficult time finding such coins here. The items I see on the Magikoins web site look very nice, but they are priced way above what I can afford. Of course so are the custom coin gaffs here in the US too! That's one reason I am ecstatic that Todd Lassen started making his clad gaffs.

Thank you.

Jim
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Dec 3, 2012 03:32AM)
Hi,
I've many sets made by Thierry and what I can say :
all are great!
You cand command with your eyes closed!
Eric Jones and others can confirm.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Dec 3, 2012 05:48PM)
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On 2012-12-03 04:32, xav5000 wrote:
Eric Jones and others can confirm.
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Who?
Message: Posted by: Dale J. O'Neill (Dec 3, 2012 11:32PM)
I am going to go check this out later today. I am always looking for new resources.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 4, 2012 01:33AM)
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On 2012-12-03 18:48, Merc Man wrote:
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On 2012-12-03 04:32, xav5000 wrote:
Eric Jones and others can confirm.
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Who?
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Go to the web site and read the Testimonial.

best regards
Message: Posted by: lukecloughmagic (Dec 4, 2012 04:25AM)
I see the prices are similar to other top end guys, so think I would tend to stick with them as they are proven, love to hear from people who have bought coins from here though?
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Dec 4, 2012 08:03AM)
As I said,I've bought many sets from MAGIKOINS ans all are tops.
Like X.Belmont,Todd Lasse,Schoolcraft...
Better than Roy Kueppers and Auke Van Dokkum...
But he makes only unexpanded shell sets,not expanded
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 4, 2012 05:46PM)
I have to say roys work and dokkums work
is awesome.the last few products I recieved
from both of them it don't get no better...
todd
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Dec 5, 2012 06:35AM)
Then,try Magikoins and Xavier Belmont...
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 5, 2012 04:11PM)
Probaley will xav5000
Message: Posted by: roum67 (Dec 16, 2012 06:29AM)
Hi,
Magikoins is one of the best manufacturer I've ever seen. His items are very beautiful and perfects, high quality, high precision, all coins are hand made.
He makes coin sets without expanded shells. His GRAAL, Karate coin, Neokito box (his own box) are beautiful ideas and very great work.
In Europe, Magikoins is recognized for all these things.
Reed McClintock, Curtis Kam, Eric Jones, Christian Engbloom, Antony Gerard, Jean-Emmanuel Franzis, Eric Roumestan, Giacomo Bertini, Dominique Duvivier and many more are confidence in his work and use it !!!!
He's 4Fer recognized for his work and one of dealers chosen by "European Coin/Close-up Magic Symposium".
"If you're a real coinworker, you must visit his website, touch his coins and use them"

The bests for me: Magikoins, Xavier Belmont, Ginjiro, Auke Van Dokkum, Schoolkraft and Lassen
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Dec 16, 2012 07:33AM)
MKS GRAAL @ 1775,00€ or( 1775 Euro equals 2335.72 US Dollar according to google) is way too Pricey for what is basically - and I am guessing here - a $395.00 Triception set (without all the extras)or a $300+ TWIAD set. Perhaps if it was once owned by Houdini, it would get that at auction. Now don't get me wrong, every single item that I see on the site is absolutely beautiful, and I have no reason to believe that the quality is any less than The Big names we all brag about daily on this forum. Am I reading the prices wrong? I used IE browser and hit the translate to English button? If it is correct, for $2335.72, I could probably buy almost every gaff currently on the market in Morgans and have enough left over for a couple decks of cards.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 16, 2012 02:22PM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-16 08:33, Poof-Daddy wrote:
MKS GRAAL @ 1775,00€ or( 1775 Euro equals 2335.72 US Dollar according to google) is way too Pricey for what is basically - and I am guessing here - a $395.00 Triception set (without all the extras)or a $300+ TWIAD set. Perhaps if it was once owned by Houdini, it would get that at auction. Now don't get me wrong, every single item that I see on the site is absolutely beautiful, and I have no reason to believe that the quality is any less than The Big names we all brag about daily on this forum. Am I reading the prices wrong? I used IE browser and hit the translate to English button? If it is correct, for $2335.72, I could probably buy almost every gaff currently on the market in Morgans and have enough left over for a couple decks of cards.
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Hi,

Don't worry, I don't sell a TWIAD or TRICEPTION at 1775.00€

I think I can't explain what the Graal is.

But if I have just one thing to tell is that it allow you to performed 80-90% (or more???) of Magic Coin Tricks existing.

I think TWIAD, TRICEPTION, or another Coin Set don't allow you to do what the Graal Allowing you.

http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/Graal/
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Dec 16, 2012 05:45PM)
OK, I may not understand the picture - Is that 5 sets showing the set in different combos, ie. the same set 5 times ,coins flipped to show other side? or do you get all of the coins shown? my post is on the assumption that it is 5 sets laid out.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 17, 2012 03:56AM)
You get ALL THE COINS shown.

All the coins you can see on the GRAAL Picture are ONE GRAAL (no more)
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 17, 2012 04:33PM)
None of the coins match. All the dollars are not matching. I would stick with U.S. manufacturers if you live in U.S. It only makes sense that they have a much better selection of U.S. coins to choose from. And this guy is not cheap, especially if he can't even make an expanded shell yet.
Message: Posted by: Jedo (Dec 17, 2012 06:24PM)
Love the MKS Karate so clean !!!
Guess I'll have to start saving
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 18, 2012 04:52AM)
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On 2012-12-17 17:33, polygonsmagic wrote:
None of the coins match. All the dollars are not matching. I would stick with U.S. manufacturers if you live in U.S. It only makes sense that they have a much better selection of U.S. coins to choose from. And this guy is not cheap, especially if he can't even make an expanded shell yet.
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so fun !

If you want a set with same date, aspect, or patina, You must to ask for it (options).
The graal you see is mine, 3 years old, and I love it like this.

Not easy to appreciate a gaff´on picture.
Try my gaffs, and you'll change of idea.

You tell U'S manufacturer have more choice on coins!!!!
I think you haven't have a look on my Custom Area.
well, have a look here : http://magikoins.com/en/Opt/Coins/usa/

seriously, for an expanded shell, what is the interest?
when I see an expanded shell fitting a coin, and I can see 1/3 of the edge again....
If you love it, then continue to buy from Lassen or another manufacturer.

Follow the link to see a shell cover a coin correctly, perhaps you'll change of idea on my work : http://magikoins.com/en/Catalog/Coq/
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 18, 2012 04:54AM)
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On 2012-12-17 19:24, Jedo wrote:
Love the MKS Karate so clean !!!
Guess I'll have to start saving
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yep, it change of the standard karate trick;)

this one is more visual without change ;)
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 19, 2012 05:41PM)
"seriously, for an expanded shell, what is the interest?
when I see an expanded shell fitting a coin, and I can see 1/3 of the edge again...."

If you can see any of the coin sticking out from under a shell, especially when looking down at it at a small angle as a spec would, I say the shell is not made correctly. It should be entirely invisible to 99 percent of all eyes, as the edge of the shell and insert coin should blend beautifully. On the other hand, if a shell completely covers it's coin, then that has to mean that the shell will be noticeably fatter than the ungaffed coin when sitting next to it. That simply has to be, a shell could not completely cover another coin of the same thickness, because you have also the thickness of the face of the shell to add to the equation. Now turn the shelled coin over, if the shell completely covers the coin, the edge of the mouth up shell will be much more visible around the insert coin. If the edge of the mouth up shell is back away from the edge of the insert coin, it hides very well. So actually less coverage is better, if the shell is made correctly.

An expanded shell becomes necessary when you are nesting more than 2 coins, is my opinion. And that is what everyone is doing these days. If you start with an unexpanded shell, by the time you get to the 3rd coin, it looks way too reduced. Because it is. Likely most of the rim will be completely removed from a coin that has been double reduced, and that is the biggest tell of all. I have seen this often, it's exactly what makes a coin set look funky from fairly far away.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Dec 20, 2012 03:31PM)
This is a very interesting discussion (as long as it stays civil). A good debate on expanded vs. unexpanded shells could be very enlightening!

Thanks!

Jim
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 20, 2012 04:29PM)
I have both and love them.but I have to say
the unexpanded fits the best and covers the most also.
the only con would be it is fitted to the nested coins.
but even my expanded sets I keep as a set.i don't interchange
them with other sets.i have to admit lassens expanded sets
fit as good as a unexpanded set to me.i do prefer custom fits
though because of the exceptional fit you get.i don't like any
play in my sets.no noise issue.just my thoughts.
todd
Message: Posted by: cbusch55 (Dec 20, 2012 09:28PM)
The coins look very nice. The Okito box looks very beautiful. Wish I could afford to try one out.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 21, 2012 08:17AM)
I will stay civil ;)

Before starting to build coin gaffs, I've been a customer of LASSEN, SchoolCraft, Kueppers, Van Dokkum, and others.
I Can Tell You that an Expanded Shell doesn't cover a Coin perfectly.
Perhaps you have more luck than me, and other customers :
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=277730&forum=202

I have tried many solutions and has built enough of gaffs to make what I think to be the better ;)
I don't say I'm in Right, and I'm the better, BUT just I propose my vision, my solution.

The rule of the Metal is :
To expanded metal, you lose Part somewhere (on Expanded Shell the Depht).
Thus it can Cover only 60-80% of the Coin (all depend of the manufacturer)

You can't perfectly cover a Regular UNC coin with an expanded Shell.
BUT, you can have a better result with Unexpanded Shell and SOFT and Reduced Coins. My coins have a reduced diameter of 0.02" and the rim is always present).
http://www.magikoins.com/WebOUT/ShCoin.mov

In Fact, Expanded or Not, Both have advantage and inconvenient.
But for me, a gaff with unexpanded Shell is more deceptive (an expanded shell less).

About the N.E.S.T, it's same. I've repaired Triple Threat of Lassen and a 3CM of SchoolCraft for one of my Customer. I can tell you that the 3CM has a better design, and you see less of insert coin than TT and the last coin is not a Chips (all depend of the manufacturer again).

Look at the picture attached to see it when it's closed :
(better quality here : http://www.magikoins.com/WebOUT/3CM_vs_TT.jpg)
Schoolcraft on the Left, MKS in the Center, and LASSEN on the Right.

I hope you understand all because the English is not my first language

Have a nice Xmas ;)
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 21, 2012 09:36AM)
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On 2012-11-30 18:12, Merc Man wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-11-30 17:52, helder wrote:
Does anyone bought coins from http://www.magikoins.com/ ? :)
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Nope - and at those prices, I don't think I ever will.
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I've used a Converter and I found these prices :

Unexpanded Shell + 4 reduced and remilled coins (Dollar Size)
MKS : 320.00 € (423$)
schoolcraft : 372€ (490$)
Lassen : 341€ (450$)

Flipper (Dollar Size)
MKS : 170.00 € (225$)
SchoolCraft : 189€ (250$)
Lassen :189€ (250$)

Flipper (Half Dollar Size)
MKS : 105.00 € (139$)
SchoolCraft : 91€ (120$)
Lassen : 133.00 € (175$)

C.S.B in Dollar Size (Dollar Size)
MKS : 295€(389$)
SchoolCraft : 298€ (395$)
Lassen : 247€ (325$)

Scotch n Soda (Barber Half Dollar Size)
MKS : 125€ (165$)
SchoolCraft :? € (? $)
Lassen : 160€ (210$)

Scotch n Soda (Dollar Size)
MKS : 215€ (284$)
SchoolCraft :? € (? $)
Lassen : 235€ (310$)

If I haven't doing mistakes, I'm cheaper on almost of Gaffs ;)
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Dec 21, 2012 05:12PM)
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On 2012-12-21 09:17, magikoins wrote:
I've repaired Triple Threat of Lassen and a 3CM of SchoolCraft for one of my Customer. I can tell you that the 3CM has a better design, and you see less of insert coin than TT and the last coin is not a Chips (all depend of the manufacturer again).

Look at the picture attached to see it when it's closed :
(better quality here : http://www.magikoins.com/WebOUT/3CM_vs_TT.jpg)
Schoolcraft on the Left, MKS in the Center, and LASSEN on the Right.
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Nice work.

A new quality gaff maker is always welcome in this community. Now go invent!

BTW the reason the above url is a broken link is because you typed a ) next to it. This should work: http://www.magikoins.com/WebOUT/3CM_vs_TT.jpg

Merry Christmas!

Alan
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 21, 2012 06:24PM)
"Schoolcraft on the Left, MKS in the Center, and LASSEN on the Right."

It's very sad that one guy knocked off the Triple Threat the moment it was released to the magic community, and most of the magic community supported him. Now it seems another guy is knocking it off, so let's give them another round of applause.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Dec 21, 2012 11:17PM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-21 19:24, polygonsmagic wrote:
"Schoolcraft on the Left, MKS in the Center, and LASSEN on the Right."

It's very sad that one guy knocked off the Triple Threat the moment it was released to the magic community, and most of the magic community supported him. Now it seems another guy is knocking it off, so let's give them another round of applause.
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I understood the MKS to be a nest, not a triple threat copy, but I may be wrong. If it is a nest, Lassen's Cerberus is superior in coverage IMHO (almost invisible from the dirty side). Perhaps Todd could produce a 3t with more coverage (my copper 3t has almost perfect coverage), but I am wondering what the big deal is. I hardly ever use my 3t for matrix routines and I never show the dirty side for any length of time. With my Cerberus, I can and I do.

Regardless, my comment about inventing was meant to suggest that the obviously skilled Magikoins should go out and create new rather than copy old.

You have written derisively here and in the past about encouraging someone who is attempting to copy the hard work and inventiveness of Todd Lassen. But I don't think that is what I have done. The MKS coin shown in the picture is an example of subperb machining skills, no doubt. But that does not always translate into easy usability. My Lassen 3t (that I got from John Mendoza) is a perfect working gaff. I know how it is going to react every time I use it. This may be because the tolerances are so minute, or it could be because Todd is a fanatic about trying every possible size or way to manufacture before he puts something out the door. Both are true, but who cares? Creating coin gaffs is an art, not (just) a science. Todd is Stradivari.

But there is always room for new creations. The TUC and Ambivalence come to mind. With his skill, I hope MagiKoins will be joining Mr. Tango and Xavier with his own marvelous inventions. That is all that I meant by my previous post.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 22, 2012 01:16AM)
I too alan am always happy to see a new inventor or maker
of new products for all to have a choice of what they may want.
todd
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Dec 22, 2012 06:00AM)
Hi,
Thierry (MAGIKOINS)is not a new customer.
As I said,you can buy with closed eyes because his work is wonderfull.
All my sets are fantastics ans the shells are done to be married with the coins.
If you want expanded shells,go to Xavier Belmont.
If you want unexpanded shells,go to MAGIKOINS.
That's what I think.
Message: Posted by: lukecloughmagic (Dec 22, 2012 06:14AM)
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I understood the MKS to be a nest, not a triple threat copy, but I may be wrong.
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The nest is just that... a nest, but when it is made magnetic (as it says you can in the pricing) is that not when it becomes a copy of a 3T?
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 23, 2012 02:34PM)
Informations between TT and 3CM :

TT : Expanded Shell + Shell + Reduced coin (all magnetic)
3CM : Shell + Reduced Shell + Reduced Coin (all magnetic)

my Standard NEST is like the 3CM (but not Magnetic)
my magnetic NEST is like the 3CM (all magnetic)
you can compare my NEST Magnetic to the 3CM.

I reassure you, I create my personal Gaffs too :

- http://www.magikoins.com
- http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/MKSCS/
- http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/Graal/
- http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/MKSK/
- http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/neokito/
- http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/TwinC/

Thanks to all my fans for their messages
Message: Posted by: Jedo (Dec 23, 2012 02:54PM)
Your magnetic Nest is MKS C.3.S ?
What will be the price ?
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 23, 2012 03:24PM)
The C.3.S is a new gaff (very different of a NEST)

keep tuned ;)

For a magnetic NEST, all depends of the coins you want .

More informations here : http://www.magikoins.com/en/Catalog/Nest/
Message: Posted by: Jac -dutch- (Dec 24, 2012 06:54AM)
The website looks good and very clear. Ready for what you looking for.
You give a varied range of coins... incredible you can offer! A good reason for buying by this.
The coins are expensive (a little bit more than Van Dokkum), but it's worth if it's handmade. And probely it is!

It's a good thing that there are a new good coinmakers. 2 in USA and 2 in Europe (France and The Netherlands). It give choices for buying.

I 'm happy with my coins of Van Dokkum and Í 'm lucky I live not far from Van Dokkum. But if Van Dokkum can't give what I 'm looking for, I 'm pretty sure I go to this shop.

I wish you succes!!
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 24, 2012 09:20AM)
Thanks Jac ;)

for information, I made all my gaffs by hands since 4 years now ;)
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Dec 26, 2012 04:53PM)
I was lucky to play with the stuff of LASSEN, SCHOOCHRAFT and MAGIKOINS, last but not least.
His work is EXCELLENT and as good as the 2 previous if not better, AND his customer service is for sure the BEST !!
And if he doesn't offer an expanded shell, so what's the problem, does that mean his work isn't excellent, I don't think so at all !!

Try his stuff if you really want to have your own advice !
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 27, 2012 03:15PM)
"His work is EXCELLENT and as good as the 2 previous if not better"

If you think the "2 previous" are in the same league, that tells me enough of your knowledge. No need to mention the 3rd.

Why waste postage when we have the best right here in America?

"And if he doesn't offer an expanded shell, so what's the problem"

I addressed this with my concern earlier in this thread. I'd like to see what the 3rd coin in the nest looks like if he doesn't expand the top shell. Let us see a close up photo of that. Guaranteed it will have no rim left on it. And that sir, is a problem, for me at least.
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Dec 27, 2012 05:18PM)
I've seen the work of all of those 3 so I give my opinion..
"polygonsmagic", why don't You test magikoins work and THEN give your opinion
and even if You don't like it for whatever reason, that doesn't mean his work isn't good, it's just that you don't like it, that's all..
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Dec 27, 2012 08:09PM)
I have a TTGF from Lassen in dollar size. I don't see how this could be improved upon very much.

The interior coins of the set (flipp*r and sh*ll) are very deceptive, even from close range.

Of course the expanded sh*ll doesn't supply full coverage on the side for the interior set. If it did the outer sh*ll would be too thick when handled by itself.

So an expanded shell has to be used in the right situation, but WOW the ability to climb from one coin to four offers some amazing possibilities.

The magnetic balance of the TTGF is a wonder. They just kinda stick together or fall apart when you want them to.

Looking at an expanded sh*ll next to a regular sh*ll with a reduced diameter coin is a really unfair comparison.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Dec 28, 2012 12:20AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-27 21:09, billappleton wrote:

The magnetic balance of the TTGF is a wonder. They just kinda stick together or fall apart when you want them to.

[/quote]

Bill, you put into words just what I was thinking. I love my Morgan TUC and my Morgan Ambivalence for their technical innovations, but both could and should be refined. I'm not sure my 3t can be refined. particularly as to magnetic balance.

In addition, I have to say that I'm in the camp of those who do not like the wafer thin inner coin of a Schoolcraft set or (apparently) the MKS with magnet (if that is the correct name).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 28, 2012 12:39AM)
I also agree with bill.i have the triple threat.
it stays put when you want it too.but releases
so easily when needed.a perfect combination.
todd
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 28, 2012 02:55AM)
Well, about my gaffs, I CAN DO ALL WHAT YOU WANT.

All depend of YOU and WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH.

POLYGONS, you are fun again, it's like you told me that you didn't like the strawberry ice cream, without ever having eaten ...

BILL : I made TTGF too, and I can assure you the FL**R in the Sh*** look like a Real coin (both faces), nothing exceed.

BANZAI : MKS is the MagiKoinS Signature, not a gaff name . My magnetic N.E.S.T is customizable. I Can do a last coin Thin or NOT and I can adjust More or Less of Power (as you wish). The magnet Power of the LAssen TT has too important power and you need to SHAKE IT to open, not mine.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 28, 2012 02:58AM)
MKS particle before the name of a gaff is to indicate that I am the creator of it and I'm usually the only one to make.
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 28, 2012 10:45AM)
And now...Magikoins makes TTGF too. No permission and he calls it by the same name. With no expanded shell? What does that flipper insert look like, 3 times reduced...a quarter? Ok, keeping it civil.. I'd like to see a photo of the flipper insert in your ttgf. I'd also like to know what design you used for the band groove in the gravity. There are only 2 designs I know of...the L shaped grove that Jamie uses, and the original design that Lassen invented. Did you come up with your own design on that or copy one of the mentioned?

And you are right, I hate strawberry ice cream. One more thing... I don't have to shake my TT to open it, it's like these other guys testify, it opens by itself, only when you want it to. It is amazing. You probably have another maker there that you are confused about.

One small advice. In English, Koins is a pseudonym for coins, but it implies fake coins. Not good feke coins, but cheap coins...like plastic toy coins. See if anyone backs me up on this, it sounds real cheesy to me.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Dec 28, 2012 12:23PM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-27 21:09, billappleton wrote:
I have a TTGF from Lassen in dollar size. I don't see how this could be improved upon very much....<snipped>
[/quote]

The Flash Coins Re-Lit routine you recently posted on YT used the TTGF, didn't it Bill?

I have to agree, that coin gaff looks scary good! About perfect. :)

Jim
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 28, 2012 12:48PM)
Polygon..; I will respond you soon
Message: Posted by: lukecloughmagic (Dec 28, 2012 01:29PM)
In my opinion, I have seen and used both Lassen and Schoolcraft gaffs, and they are both very very good. I don't think I could risk so much money with what I consider to be an unkown quality. Please don't think I'm saying that your coins are not equal, just that without seeing the gaffs in person I couldn't possibly commit a near enough equal amount of money to something I already know will be great when it gets here, seems quite a risk. As the prioces are near enough identical, sticking to what/who you know comes to mind.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Dec 28, 2012 01:49PM)
Polygons :

If you Hate strawberry ice cream, it's because you have taste it once.

try my gaffs, and you will can talk of them, but not before.

About the TTGF, I've made a mistake.

I have confused the TTGF with a Simple Shell + flipper, and I didn't made Double Shell with flipper coin, and nothing on my website about this gaff.

Thus, All you have say (again) about my works is a free attack again..

By now, I will ignore all your posts, because all I could say will be godsend for you.

BILL : I don't TTGF sorry for my mistake
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Dec 28, 2012 03:04PM)
I'd still like you to answer my questions about the internal band groove on your flipper. I'm sure we'd all like to know, since there are no pictures.
Message: Posted by: Kirjava (Dec 28, 2012 04:24PM)
I have no experience with either Lassen or Schoolcraft, however, I've be playing with my MKS-made Dean's set (4 dollar + unexpanded shell)for a few years now, and I had no problem whatsoever. Thierry (the maker) is super friendly as was always quick to answer (I wanted an extra teflon disc for another [ ). During this time, I also had the occasion to show the set to a few french (and foreign) magicians and the set was always praised upon.
I can also attest that he has a few amazing things up his sleeves, and while he inspires himself from other makers (as should all "best" do), he also showed me some improvements over existing designs (he's proud of them, in a good way!).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 28, 2012 08:03PM)
We could go on for weeks debating coin galfers.
its like politics and religion no one will win the debate.
we all have our favorite galfers.and can go to who we want too.
so why waste time argueing a no win situation.we have so much
better things we can discuss here.
todd
Message: Posted by: Sébastien (Dec 29, 2012 03:24AM)
I have a coin set from Magikoins, and I can say that there is only one problem : It is difficult to see where is the coin with the shell... because it is a very very good job !!!

Congratulations for your gimmick coins !
Message: Posted by: willwatt (Jan 2, 2013 03:49AM)
While Antony Gerard was lecturing in Paris-France, he mentioned MKS, talking about the great work of Thierry. That reason was good enough for me to contact him ASAP. I have met a guy really passionate about his work : you can tell just the way he talks about coin magic, and the feeling increased when you see his work... I gave him all my confidence for my graal that I do perform with, and it is a 100% satisfaction... As a profesional magician I am ready to pay twice the price if it is good materials !
A professional magician also knows that a price worth the professional work... It is the same with coins... There is no point about talking of something so specific until you've triyed it, experienced it. And even if it doesn't fit you doesn't mean it's not good...
Talking about magic props, we all can pay if we calculated the price of all those props we have sleeping in drawers...
By the way, I believe that the fact that MKS is part of the dealers of the European Coins Symposium from the beginning if I'm right, that he is part of I.B.M and that he will be at F.F.F.F. 2013 is enough to give the minimum respect his work deserve... If you don't respect him please respect all those mentioned before who's decisions are estimated in the magician's community...
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jan 4, 2013 05:23PM)
Generate erroneous assumptions about the unknown is really sad and can reassure some of that already possess it is what is best, and they made the right choice.

I just hope that your eyes will be able to enjoy my work and will make you think again about some of preconceived ideas

Thanks to the nice feed back of a few of my customers here :)

I've been happy to talk a little of me, of my gaffs, and I wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAR
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 8, 2013 11:04AM)
Possibly you missed my important question. In case you did, here it is again.

What design/method are you using for the internal band in your gravity flippers?

And could you possibly show a picture of the inside of one of your flippers?

I am familiar with the other 2 makers' take on this, and would like to compare yours. Since you are so eager to post lots of other pictures of your coins, it should be an easy task for you. Would you mind?
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 9, 2013 12:32AM)
Polygons,

Have other gaff makers ever published photos of the inner workings of their flippers? If they have, I've never seen them.

And what difference does it make? AFAIK there are no patents on flipper internals - at least I can't find any by searching the USPTO. So IMO it doesn’t matter what the inside of the MKS flipper looks like.

Jim
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Jan 9, 2013 05:20AM)
Polygons,
buy one my friend!
And you'll see it.
Message: Posted by: tm613 (Jan 9, 2013 01:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-09 01:32, J-Mac wrote:
Have other gaff makers ever published photos of the inner workings of their flippers? If they have, I've never seen them.

[/quote]

Here's a few:
http://toddlassen.com/commercial/?page_id=352
http://coolotis.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/thank-god-its-monday-and-i-have-ttgf/olympus-digital-camera-328/

Now none show the angle of the groove if that;s what he's looking for
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jan 11, 2013 01:37PM)
Polygons, I haven't forget to respond to your question.

But like I've say here, I just don't wanna talk you more . that's all.
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 12, 2013 11:11AM)
Of course you don't wanna talk me more. Because I have reason to suspect you copied from other makers. But a simple picture, like the other makers have provided, would force me to apologize and go away. If you are not copying from other makers, I have no beef with you at all. I still wouldn't send my money to France when we have makers that are way ahead of the game here.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jan 12, 2013 05:26PM)
Polygons - what exactly is your problem?

It you don't like the coins produced by this guy, then don't buy them - it's as simple as that.

And whilst you are on the 'moral high ground' maybe you could enlighten us with the name of the one coin manufacturer that HAS had the integrity to offer Bob Swadling payment for manufacturing his creation - 'The Flipper Coin', without his permission? I will give you one clue - this well-known coin manufacturer WASN'T an American; well, not a North American anyway.

So the next time one particular guy (who has the habit of placing his coins on top of poker dice) goes off on one of his poisonous little diatribes, maybe we should all visit his blog and ask exactly when HE got Swadling's permission to manufacture flippers? ;)

To reiterate what I said above; if you don't like what Magikoins produce, then don't buy them. However, your posts are now bordering on HARRASSMENT and, if I'm perfectly honest, are getting just a little boring.

Time to jog on old chap.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jan 13, 2013 03:02AM)
I think Mr.LAssen in person hiding behind the pseudonym PolygonsMagic ...

I could be wrong, but ..
Message: Posted by: mago.niko (Jan 13, 2013 03:40AM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-12 12:11, polygonsmagic wrote:
I still wouldn't send my money to France when we have makers that are way ahead of the game here.
[/quote]

Then don't send!! You know there are also European magicians on this site! And people who don't care where the manufacturer comes from. They only care about how good his work is..
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jan 13, 2013 05:52AM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-13 04:02, magikoins wrote:
I think Mr.LAssen in person hiding behind the pseudonym PolygonsMagic ...

I could be wrong, but ..
[/quote]

I don't think it is Lassen, but I can understand why you think that.

After all, if you check Polygons posts in the last 30 days, he has made 10 in total. Two of these were selling an item for himself and the other EIGHT are ALL contained within this thread. 'Magicians helping Magicians', or simply an 'axe to grind'?

So Polygons, if you are a friend of Lassen, I reiterate my earlier question. Please ask Todd when he got the agreement from Bob Swadling to manufacture flipper coins?
Message: Posted by: jconstantine (Jan 13, 2013 09:10AM)
Seems like both parties don't want to answer the tough questions.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Jan 13, 2013 11:11AM)
He is not Lassen. I've purchased from both Lassen and Polygon - different areas of the country.
Message: Posted by: jconstantine (Jan 13, 2013 12:01PM)
OK SO! Magikoins answer polygons queastion and show us all a picture of the cut on the flipper you make to satisfy polygons. Polygons answer Merc Mans question of

And whilst you are on the 'moral high ground' maybe you could enlighten us with the name of the one coin manufacturer that HAS had the integrity to offer Bob Swadling payment for manufacturing his creation - 'The Flipper Coin', without his permission?

If neither of you do or answer either question, then both of you need to shut up and put all this childish BS to rest!
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jan 18, 2013 04:05AM)
About the cut-on, it's like the Wheel..; noone can invent it again.

2 methods exists, and I use one of them.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 18, 2013 12:29PM)
I am not sure there are only two variations, but assuming there are only two and Swadling invented one of them, I guess that means that Lassen developed the other method, no?
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jan 18, 2013 03:13PM)
For me 2 variations :

First one : rubberband inside
Second one : rubberband lateral
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 22, 2013 12:33PM)
"About the cut-on, it's like the Wheel..; noone can invent it again.

2 methods exists, and I use one of them."

Exactly. Jamie uses his glued together L shaped design, and Lassen uses his supposedly patented angled groove design.

Which maker did you "borrow" from?
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 22, 2013 01:39PM)
MercMan, I think if you search for old posts from the late Werner Seitz, either here or on Genii board, you may find that Swadling was not "the man" on flipper coins. He was predated. I forget who the orgiginal guy was, but I remember reading that.

I think Johnson was the first to start making them stateside, they had them before any other maker in U.S. Johnson is also reputed to have "borrowed" Presley Guitar's CSB, with initials "PG" still visible in the knockoff Chinese characters, and at that time Presley's version with a hole in it was inspired by Connie Hayden's very original 2 copper/ 1 silver gaff.

As a side note, which may or may not be related: Did anyone read the article on copying in this month's Genii? I agree with much of it. But basically, I think part of the point was, you are supposed to "improve" existing effects and use them for inspiration for new things, not just copy them for profit.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Jan 22, 2013 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-22 14:39, polygonsmagic wrote:
As a side note, which may or may not be related: Did anyone read the article on copying in this month's Genii? I agree with much of it. But basically, I think part of the point was, you are supposed to "improve" existing effects and use them for inspiration for new things, not just copy them for profit.
[/quote]

Yes, this principle is widely held. There is also more leeway for the production of a utility device as opposed to a specific trick or effect as well. I always try to work with innovators instead of imitators for a variety of reasons.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 22, 2013 06:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-22 14:39, polygonsmagic wrote:
MercMan, I think if you search for old posts from the late Werner Seitz, either here or on Genii board, you may find that Swadling was not "the man" on flipper coins. He was predated. I forget who the orgiginal guy was, but I remember reading that.
[/quote]
I'm not sure the issue is as settled as you indicate, but the post you mentioned is here:
http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=60666

I tend to believe Bob, myself.
[quote]
I think Johnson was the first to start making them stateside, they had them before any other maker in U.S. Johnson is also reputed to have "borrowed" Presley Guitar's CSB, with initials "PG" still visible in the knockoff Chinese characters, and at that time Presley's version with a hole in it was inspired by Connie Hayden's very original 2 copper/ 1 silver gaff.

As a side note, which may or may not be related: Did anyone read the article on copying in this month's Genii? I agree with much of it. But basically, I think part of the point was, you are supposed to "improve" existing effects and use them for inspiration for new things, not just copy them for profit.
[/quote]

I think this may be your best post ever, Poly.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 22, 2013 10:46PM)
The post about the alternate flipper inventor theory is on the Café. Supposedly a guy named Phil Postma. Werner presented this theory after receiving an email from Eddie Taytelbaum. There is no other provenance; no other documentation to back this up. Even if true that Phil Postma came up with the idea of a flipper-type coin, it was never published and never commercially released.

The story about Postma inventing the flipper is timed at about the same time that Bob Swadling came up with it. Bob Swadling says he recalls some discussion about various coin gaffs at that time but does not remember any specific mention of what he ultimately invented. BTW, here's a video of Werner Seitz performing with Postma's coin, sent to him by Eddie Taytelbaum. Note that the gaff has no shell and is not at all similar to what we call a flipper coin today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TITOoHwTM

Bob Swadling's early flipper was being sold by Ken Brooke in the late 1960s (timeline not exact; can't find a date reference) and was known as The Swadling Coin. At that time the coin was basically what we now call the gravity flipper, as it dropped open with all the shaking and would close up upon tossing it. Later, around 1970, a modified version was produced that required a key coin with reverse polarity to open it and was a part of Bob Swadling's Double Deception gaff, which is still sold today. You can hear Bob discuss the history of the flipper coin, as well as his Coin Unique, in an interview with Mark Mason on the DVD that comes with Triception.

Jim
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 22, 2013 11:33PM)
Thanks, Jim. I've been looking for that video after re-reading the Genii thread I posted above - Werner's links in the Genii thread don't work anymore.

The coin shown in the video is different enough from a flipper that the most I would call it is "inspiration". It's clearly not a flipper despite Werner calling it that in the Genii thread. Regardless, I don't think anyone can legitimately argue that Bob Swadling and Todd Lassen haven't both been responsible for huge innovations in Flippers (and many other areas of our art). I note that Todd Lassen does not make Swadling style flippers and Bob Swadling does not make Lassen style flippers. I wish I could get a NG flipper with a remilled insert and the internal workings, but Bob won't do that. Frustrating for me, but I admire Bob even more because of it.

I agree with Bill Appleton and Poly: support the innovators!
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Jan 23, 2013 03:23AM)
The coins look good in the pictures. Best of luck magikoins, it's always nice to have more choice. Lets hope your name becomes commonplace in the world of coin gaffs. Do you display them outside of France? Maybe a stand at Blackpool will get the magic community talking?

Try to ignore the negativity my friend. This place is full of jerks!
Message: Posted by: jordi magomero (Jan 24, 2013 02:42PM)
I can not talk about creativity, copycat or imitation... but I can talk about quality.
I met Thierry MagiKoins 3 years ago at Milano European Symposium. He is a great guy and I bougth him a set of 4 coins and a [ and the quality is EXCELLENT! Every magician that had seen the set asked me where I bought that! and I also bought a Sun&Moon and a Flipper and both are incredible AWESOME!
I am originaly from Barcelona (right now living in New York) and was worth it to buy to a guy based in France... the shipping cost is considerable less expensive than buying in USA.

that's my experience and modest oppinion.

Hope to close that discussion and continue talking about magic as soon as possible.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 24, 2013 11:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-23 00:33, BanzaiMagic wrote:
Thanks, Jim. I've been looking for that video after re-reading the Genii thread I posted above - Werner's links in the Genii thread don't work anymore.[/quote]

Here's the other link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmV3Q8cpCkA

[quote]I wish I could get a NG flipper with a remilled insert and the internal workings, but Bob won't do that. Frustrating for me, but I admire Bob even more because of it.[/quote]

Try Joe Mogar's site: http://joemogar.tripod.com/id24.html Look about a quarter of the way down the page. He has Morgan flippers that use thread instead of bands. They are made by Kreis Magic. (Joe had them there well before Mark Mason came out with his "NGF" stuff!) Here they are at the Kreis Magic site: http://www.kreis-magic.com/product/coin/ About halfway down. Not inexpensive, but nice! Oh.. and the insert is milled. :)

[quote]I agree with Bill Appleton and Poly: support the innovators!
[/quote]

I agree with that also!

Jim
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jan 28, 2013 05:44AM)
Thanks for the insight Jim. So it appears that Bob Swadling DID create the Flipper Coin - particularly for commercial purposes.

I'm glad that you clarified this because basically, it makes Lassen's constant little rants about being ripped-off/copied just a tad hypocritical.

As for the Ken Brooke reference. The first time that Ken sold Swadling's coins was indeed 1968.

When he left Harry Stanley, and set up in business with Frank Farrow in 1967, he bought up the entire stock of coins (and other metal-based gimmicks, such as coin boxes) from a part-time manufacturer/dealer named Fred Lowe, based in Hampshire, England.

However, what he purchased from Lowe was pretty limited stock, with appalling instructions. To this end, Ken turned to Bob Swadling as his manufacturer - within a year of opening his business at 145 Wardour Street.

It is therefore difficult to date some of these individual tricks as, due to limited availability, they did not always appear in his catalogue - and the instruction sheets for these items were not therefore always dated (a practice that Ken adopted with the majority of his catalogued tricks during the halcyon days of 'Ken Brooke's Magic Place').
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 28, 2013 11:01AM)
"I'm glad that you clarified this because basically, it makes Lassen's constant little rants about being ripped-off/copied just a tad hypocritical."

So you are glad, because basically whaaaat??? You don't like to listen to Lassen's rants about being ripped off. Right.

So, because Lassen made a flipper coin, long after all the commercial manufacturers had been making them in bulk around the world, he is not allowed to complain if someone is copying from him? That is a little too easy Merc Man, especially if we are still weighing the credits of who invented this flipper coin centuries later. Why did Swadling not speak up when Johnson began mass producing his coin, if it was a blatant ripoff? If he was the true originator, he should have. Right? Who sits around and does nothing while they are being ripped off?

Lassen was the first to ever make a dollar size flipper coin. He was the first to make silver flipper coins. He was the fist to remill the insert edge on a flipper coin. And he was the first, and only, to come up with a design for a practical internal groove. He was also first to adopt the term "gravity flipper".

So now he is a hypocrit? And you assert that he has not been heavily "borrowed" from in the coin gaffing world? How about when he released Triple Threat? It was knocked off within the first week it hit streets. There had never been another animal like it in our coin gaff world, yet it was ripped and the magic community supported the rip. And the magic magazines all allowed full page ads of the rip off.

That is just ONE incidence, but there are many. So he should never complain. Right, Merc Man? Lassen is an innovator. NO doubt. The only things NOT being ripped are the items that no one can reproduce. I doubt you will see all the gaffers making his infinity edge. Why not? It is much better than any predated design. The answer is...because it takes real talent to make that, and no one is going to attempt it.

What DOESN'T take real talent, is buying all of Lassen's products and spending all your time trying to copy that, then launching a website with copies of all his products. So far, I have seen 3 gaffers do that. Not impressed.

So you are tired of his rants. Not me. I am certainly glad he has the nards to let people know who is getting credit where credit is NOT due. You go ahead in your life, and let yourself be taken advantage of Merc Man, and see how much self esteem you have. Not much.

And one more common sense bit. Lassen was a toolmaker and machinist for 30 years before he began coin gaffing. And he has been improving the art of coin gaffing for a dozen years. Do you really think that buying his coins, and trying to replicate his work, is going to put you in the same ballpark? He has forgotten more than most of the new guys on the scene know.

Now maybe YOU should move along, OLD CHAP.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 28, 2013 04:39PM)
[quote]Thanks for the insight Jim. So it appears that Bob Swadling DID create the Flipper Coin - particularly for commercial purposes.

I'm glad that you clarified this because basically, it makes Lassen's constant little rants about being ripped-off/copied just a tad hypocritical. [/quote]

IMHO an internal groove "gravity" flipper is to a standard flipper what a TUC is to a shell. All four gaffs are very different from each other and all four were incredible innovations when they were invented and introduced.

To me, the important issue is innovation, with quality manufacturing a close second. I have to agree with Poly that if you are just copying you are not doing much good for the magic community. Perhaps like Magic Makers, you are lowering the cost to magicians of certain gaffs that they couldn't otherwise afford, but at what cost? Generic medicines are (usually) as good as the name brand versions, the difference being that the generic manufacturers don't have any R & D costs and can charge less. The downside is that generic manufacturers don't usually come up with earth shaking new medicines. And in Magic, the R& D is even more important than with drug companies, because of the scale. For that reason, my own personal goal is to support the innovators so that we will all have more innovation. When MagicKoins comes up with an innovation that is his own, I will be the first to applaud him for it.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Jan 29, 2013 03:28AM)
Just because Lassen makes something doesn't mean that no-one else can. And not everyone can afford his prices. It's like telling me I can't drive any car unless it's a Ferrari.

Items get copied in any area of retail, magic especially so there should be no suprises. If you can afford Lassen, that's great for you but why get so uppity of those that can't? And the idea of coin gaffing goes way back before TL was even born. Also, I am under the impression he's constantly busy & is doing very well so why are you so bothered?

If there weren't any other coin gaffs to choose from then Lassen would never be able to keep up with demand.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 29, 2013 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-29 04:28, Russell Davidson wrote:
Items get copied in any area of retail, magic especially so there should be no suprises. If you can afford Lassen, that's great for you but why get so uppity of those that can't? And the idea of coin gaffing goes way back before TL was even born. Also, I am under the impression he's constantly busy & is doing very well so why are you so bothered?
[/quote]

The reason I am bothered is a man by the name of Steve Dusheck. In his time, he was an incredible innovator who was responsible for many advancements in magic, and especially coin magic. His ideas were wildly copied (often using the same name he gave them without attribution or remuneration). As a result of rampant copying of his ideas, he withdrew from inventing magic for many potentially very productive years. That is a sad loss for us all. I support innovators because I want more innovation. Also, because I think it is fair play - something I had thought you folks from England were known for.

It is your business if your conscience allows you to buy copies of Lassen's work from others, and no business of mine. I bought several items from Magic Makers before I got to know Chuck Leach and others they copy from. Now I do not. While I do not condemn you for your choices, I don't think that standing up for what I think is right should be condemned by you either.
Message: Posted by: polygonsmagic (Jan 29, 2013 04:55PM)
"If you can afford Lassen"

Lassen is priced about the same as the other custom gaffers. He also has a commercial line now that is priced very competitive with magic store prices, and the quality is still second to none.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Jan 30, 2013 03:37AM)
Lassen's new range is affordable but before that it was high end. But it's great that he's released this line with the same quality. It gives more people the chance to experience his work.

Banzai, I am not condemning anyone. Nearly all magic is copied, or is an offshoot of something else. Credits may be given but hardly ever renumeration. Gaff makers such as Tango, Johnson, Kueppers & Swadling never seem to get slated here so I fail to understand why Magic Koins is getting such a hard time.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 30, 2013 01:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-01-30 04:37, Russell Davidson wrote:
Gaff makers such as Tango, Johnson, Kueppers & Swadling never seem to get slated here so I fail to understand why Magic Koins is getting such a hard time.
[/quote]

Tango, Johnson, Kueppers & Swadling have all in their time introduced amazing advancements and innovations to coin gaffing, as has Xavier Belmont (Ambivalence). As I wrote earlier, I look forward to hearing of similar innovations from Magic Koins, and when I do I will be the first to sing his praises.

[quote]Nearly all magic is copied, or is an offshoot of something else. Credits may be given but hardly ever renumeration.[/quote]

In the United States, we have been hearing a lot from Lance Armstrong and others the excuse of "everybody does it" to justify bad behavior. The fact that people have profited by bad behavior in the past does not make it good behavior.

BTW I don't really have a problem with an "offshoot" so long as it advances the art and "credits" are often the only thing inventors are looking for.
Message: Posted by: billappleton (Jan 30, 2013 02:06PM)
Ditto
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Jan 30, 2013 02:14PM)
As I understand it (third hand, mind you), Magic Koins purportedly bought a slew of Todd Lassen's best known gaffs, figured out how to make them and is now selling them. That, to me is not praiseworthy. If this is not true or if Magic Koins has made some incredible advancements on Todd's work, I would love to hear it and will modify my opinion accordingly. If it is true, I think the right thing to do is to buy those items from Todd.
Message: Posted by: lukecloughmagic (Feb 2, 2013 11:54AM)
Magic koins, will you be at blackpool in a few weeks?
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Feb 8, 2013 08:20AM)
Hi All,

Russel,
Thanks for your message. About your request, I'll be in Batavia @ the 4F in April, and few days after in Toronto.

Banzai,
My innovations and new magical items are all the products with MKS bellow.. : MKS Karaté, MKS Graal, MKS NeoKito, MKS Ramsay, MKS … take a look @ my website to see them ;)

Luke,
I'm not at BlackPool Too, sorry.

My History, perhaps it can help few :

In the past, I've been customer of Lassen but also from Kuepers, Tango, Schoolcraft and M.Lunates (a friend of mine and old magic craftsman).

I've had differents ideas of gaffs, but too expensive to be made.
M.Lunatès teach me how a Lathe Works.
After This, I've bought a Lathe and I've learned All ALONE.
NOBODY TEACHING ME THE "HOW TO BUILD MY COINGAFFs, By Hands, and Without Numeric Tools".

At the Start, I've thinking to make them for me only.

The idea to sell them and do business with is came after, when few magical friends have seen my gaffs, and wanting have one too.

Thus, NO, I not Copy the Lassen's works, I make my own gaffs.
Message: Posted by: drbuzzard (Mar 18, 2013 03:21PM)
After reading the comments here (and being based in Europe) I decided to place an order with Thierry of Magikoins.

I asked him to make an unexpanded ] set with some 1890s Victorian half-crowns that I sourced myself.

I’m very pleased with the results. The ] is well-made and very deceptive. The re-edging is also great and even matches the original milling of these coins.

The order was completed slightly ahead of the quoted 4-week schedule. I thought the price was fair and compared well with other coin sets I’ve ordered from the USA.

Email communication was fast, friendly and helpful. Highly recommended :)

Photo:

http://instagram.com/p/XApIraw2-A/
Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Mar 21, 2013 09:41PM)
Now I am saving for one of the set lol
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Apr 1, 2013 04:52PM)
Hi All,

I will be @ Montreal Magic Jam on May 4, 2013

I don't come with all my Stock, thus if you wish to see one of my gaff of my stock, contact me before, and I will come with ;)

http://www.magikoins.com/en/Store/

Hope to see you there

Thierry
Message: Posted by: jordi magomero (Jun 26, 2013 06:59PM)
I found some of the stuff of Magikoins at Ebay for a reasonable price.. (cheaper than on her website)....
Just for those who may be interested...
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Jun 26, 2013 07:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-26 19:59, jordi magomero wrote:
I found some of the stuff of Magikoins at Ebay for a reasonable price.. (cheaper than on her website)....
Just for those who may be interested...
[/quote]

The Person I met was a MAN! ! :)
Message: Posted by: Al Desmond (Jun 27, 2013 06:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-26 19:59, jordi magomero wrote:
I found some of the stuff of Magikoins at Ebay for a reasonable price.. (cheaper than on her website)....
Just for those who may be interested...
[/quote]

Thierry is a MANS name... he's French... there's a big wide wonderful world out there.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jun 28, 2013 10:26AM)
Yep David, I'm only a man ;) lol.

Happy you remember of me ;)
Message: Posted by: jordi magomero (Aug 8, 2013 10:21PM)
Sure... Sorry... My m'instalen... English is not my first language and I made a mistake... My apologies Thierry LOL ;)
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Aug 10, 2013 04:56AM)
No prob Jordi ;) Have you tried the patina ? nice result?
Message: Posted by: lithyem (Sep 3, 2013 08:52PM)
I decided to request a custom set myself from Thierry - a delicious silver set of Belgium 5 Francs. Clink clink
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Oct 12, 2014 06:03AM)
My last set by Magikoins is one of the best set I've ever seen.
Other thing : I saw in his website SILVER JUMBO COINS!!!
Great news for us!!!
Christmas,Christmas....lol
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Oct 12, 2014 06:05AM)
Http://magikoins.com/en/GAFF5/JUMB0S/index.html
Message: Posted by: RobDougherty (Oct 15, 2014 02:15AM)
Having read this thread I'm intrigued by all of the positive comments on the work. I was wondering (as I can't find it on the website) what the costs are if you send your own coins rather than buy them from Magikoins?
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Oct 15, 2014 11:17AM)
Hi Robb,

Yes and Yes ;)

YES, it seems my customers are happy with their gaffs :)
Perhaps because I'm listening to them to make the most Deceptive gaff of their dream ;)

YES, I accept to made gaffs with your own coins.
About the price, all depends of what you want exactly as job.

If you have any questions, just send me an mail at thierry@magikoins.com

Thanks
Message: Posted by: RobDougherty (Oct 16, 2014 09:02AM)
Hi Thierry

I'm still in the process of locating the coins I would like to use (I'm leaning towards larger coins than dollar sized) but once I have them in hand I will definitely get in touch about prices. Thanks for the swift response.

Rob
Message: Posted by: xav5000 (Feb 19, 2015 12:44PM)
Soon...my new box : awesome Neokito!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW0IORuK1do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzNuwk0Yiw0
Message: Posted by: warren (Dec 3, 2016 08:34AM)
Wow what a thread !!

I checked this thread out as I'm having some problems regarding contacting certain coin manufactures and others being out of stock and happened to come across M.K.S GAFFS website, talk about giving one of the new men on the block a hard time.

For what it's worth I think it's great news for magic that we have another quality coin manufacturer available for us as there's not that many about :)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 6, 2017 04:35AM)
Hi. I'm new on this thread but have been in the "box" for over 40 years both professionally and semi-professionally later in life. I have the best gaffs in the world - been really blessed by being able to get many of Todd Lassen's releases. I have purchased from everyone else except this manufacturer until now. I think Lassen is #1 and without peer. Johnson has a couple of great pieces. Even Tango with their true silver TUC is brilliant in that one release. The trick for me it to find the best of the best. With Lassen - if he makes it I will buy it. I just received Karate Coin and Urban from MKS Magic Koins. I have to say that the URBAN coin is revolutionary. It is a masterpiece of innovation in a very simple way. Ringing one of these in and then out during any routine allows you to create absolute miracles. Because it is a different type of gaff, the precision is not that big a deal and what I received is 11 out of 10 on brilliance, construction and all aspects of what I ordered being fulfilled. I am VERY impressed. The Karate coin is an excellent concept but alas, honestly, this is not constructed as "perfectly" as it would be if say Lassen made it. I am not dissing this prop. It is fantastic. It just is not perfect in it's execution in my opinion. Better than what you would get if Johnson or Tango made it. About what I'd expect if Schoolcraft made it. But not as good as it could be. As designed it is workable and I will use it. But if it was made by say Lassen you would just not see what you are not supposed to see. With MKS I see it so I have to move more. Finally in overall design, where the URBAN/ is perfection, the Karate would be improved by adding an off center tiny pin in one part and a tiny hole in another. When "restoring the hole" if the pin/hole were on this coin you could twist to the correct center and body orientation. It also uses wax instead of a magnetic connection. I understand why but it could and should be done with the mag. This is my opinion. The invention is smart. Nobody else offers this version. It is therefore best in class and a real worker. I anxiously await the Neokito box from this manufacturer and suspect this too will be a real unique tool. My verdict is that every coin worker will LOVE the URBAN and it is priced just right and affordably. I will order more of these. Overall - Lassen is King n=by a mile but there is creativity and quality here at MKS that commands serious respect.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 6, 2017 04:36AM)
Sorry for being so long winded and I hope this is helpful as it is meant to be for fellow magicians.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 28, 2017 12:20AM)
Starmanager, would you remind explaining what the Urban & Karate coins are, or what you can do with them?
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 28, 2017 03:24AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2017, videoman wrote:
Starmanager, would you remind explaining what the Urban & Karate coins are, or what you can do with them? [/quote]


Videoman:

Sure - The URBAN coin may be the most valuable single gaff coin I've ever seen. It is essentially a hook coin that has no hook! Imagine your entire hand and body and all your clothing and everything around you had steel in it. And imagine that this particular coin stuck to anything and came off silently and without being detected. But there are no magnets in this unique design. Look up Urban Coin on youtube with MAGIK COINS in the search and you'l see videos. It's spectacular. Using it alone you can do minutes of otherwise impossible routines. The value to me in this coin is to ring it in and out to do special and impossible vanishes or appearances. You can be totally hand burned and nobody will see where it came from or where it went. It makes you superman with coins. Easy stuff doesn't take much practice. Other routines that come with the coin in video take some time to learn. All worth it for the miracle.

Karate Coin by this manufacturer lets you put your finger through a solid half or dollar coin VISIBLY. The spectator sees and can touch the coin and your finger melts through. Reasonably easy to do but very good with a solid switch at the beginning and end. This is not a hole in a coin. It is a solid visible penetration. Again Search MAGIK COIN KARATE and you'll see youtube videos.

This manufacturer is not of the calibre of my favorite coin man, Todd Lassen. And that's a shame because the concepts MK has are great but the execution is just not as good as those who are known for the best in precision manufacturing. That said, while these gaffs are expensive they are not available from Lassen and they are good enough to use with pride. I hope this helps you!
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Jun 28, 2017 03:40AM)
So if I understand if properly, Karate Coin is kind of like a jumbo cigarete-through-coin coin? It looks solid until you push your finger through, but can't be inspected?

Does the Urban coin have anything that needs to be replaced/wears out? I have some suspicions, but my first guess would be something sticky...
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jun 28, 2017 03:43AM)
I should have just said what you stated perfectly - A jumbo Cig thru Coin but with a different mechanism.

You are on the right track with Urban and it does need replacement but not often. It isn't tape. Way more magical a solution. And you cannot do it to a regular coin.
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Jun 28, 2017 11:03AM)
Certainly not tape at that price. :) I was thinking something more akin to Octopalm, but that would wear out more quickly. It's a pity they're all so expensive - it's hard to commit to that without knowing more. :sigh:
Message: Posted by: Danwseers (Jun 28, 2017 03:32PM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2017, tonsofquestions wrote:
Certainly not tape at that price. :) I was thinking something more akin to Octopalm, but that would wear out more quickly. It's a pity they're all so expensive - it's hard to commit to that without knowing more. :sigh: [/quote]

I was in your same exact situation. I have understood Star Manager's endorsement to be very favorable, but I personally can't justify the price for a sticky coin. Maybe magikoins will clarify more about the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 28, 2017 04:37PM)
In my opinion coin gaffers would sell a lot more product if they described their products in more detail and even showed more detailed photos. It's not like we are going to make these gaffs on our own. Now I realize that some such as Todd Lassen are not interested in selling more products, they're as busy as they care to be, which is totally fine and perhaps the same goes for Magic Koins.

Exposure is one thing but when you are spending hundreds of dollars then exposure schmosure, a buyer needs to know a bit more than it is a fantastic gaff that will allow you to do incredible things. I need to know EXACTLY what I am getting to determine if I can use it and if it's right for me. None of the descriptions on Magic Koins website even inspire me to inquire more about what a certain gaff is or what it can do.

In fact if they gave controlled access to detailed photos showing the actual workings, their sales would likely increase ten fold. That's porn for coin lovers.
But again, maybe they are all as busy as they want to be.
Message: Posted by: Danwseers (Jun 28, 2017 09:04PM)
+1

$100 to find out is a bit beyond most people's comfort zone.
Message: Posted by: magikoins (Jun 29, 2017 10:24AM)
Hi,

I don't enjoy talking about prices. I just tell you all is handmade without any Automatic CNC. When you buy 30.00$ a card gimmick, the price is expensive too (when a deck of card is only 3.00$ for 52 cards), it's same with coins... And the coins don't needs to be replace after been used a few, following you during all your life.

MKS Karate coins, exist since 2011, owners love them cause it allow you to perform all other Karate coins tricks. 3 coins (at least) are necessary to build it. I don't think knowing how it's made will help you in any way. Just that's a different system allowing you to show the coin front and back, and visualy without change or masking the coin, you clearly penetrate the coin, and showing both face to your audience, and restoring it in the same way.

The others manufacturers don't explain or show in detail how the gaff is made on their public shop (except on private blogs). My shop is for magicians only. No interest to show a shell mouth open to be viewing by anyone. it's my vision/opinion. And if you watch closely on my website, most of the time the bad side appear, but always assembled (only people knowing what to search can find, but ...).

All the MKS Products (Karate, Neokito, Urban, Ramsay,...) only can be purchased from my shop. I'm the creator and the only one to made them, so normaly, no copy on the market. For this too, I don't wanna show my gaffs in details and like this slow down the copy (but is it realy works???).

sell more and cheaper ??? I love the idea, but not possible if all is handmade. 2-3 hours are necessary to made a coin Set. and most of my production is made with Silver Coins. You don't only pay the gaff, but the idea, the R D, prototypes, the coins, the handcraft, the crashed coins, Tax Fees, etc..

i do my possible to speak english correctly, so it's not easy all the time to explain all in details in this language. Thanks in advance.

Here is few links, on my products.
magikoins.com/BOST0NS/index.html
magikoins.com/DealX/index.php
magikoins.com/en/GAFF5/index.html

Karate coin Demo : www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_dkJhBUNQ&list=PLJhGFli7pavPCMUrsP-GYxgzGhvRo7YLk

Regards
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jun 29, 2017 01:43PM)
I have a set of Barbers from Magikoins and I'm more than happy with it, the quality is outstanding ! :)

He's very professionnal when it comes to customer service, I recommend it without any doubt.
Message: Posted by: ostadler (Jan 11, 2019 06:04AM)
As I am currently in search for a nice sun/moon set (and I missed Todd Lassens flash sale two days ago) I found this thread and also found that we have a coin gaffer here in Europe, even living in the country next door :) So I ordered a sun/moon set yesterday and I am really looking forward to this.
What I really really like already: First MKS offers a really HUGE variety of different coins, just take a look at the beautiful 5 Francs and 20 Centavos coins! And second, concerning sun/moon, he offers standard and reverse sets so you have all possibilities at your fingertips to tell the sun/moon story the way you like it best. Awesome! I will report back when I receive the set, I hardly can wait to play with them.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 15, 2019 11:08AM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2019, ostadler wrote:
As I am currently in search for a nice sun/moon set (and I missed Todd Lassens flash sale two days ago) I found this thread and also found that we have a coin gaffer here in Europe, even living in the country next door :) So I ordered a sun/moon set yesterday and I am really looking forward to this.
What I really really like already: First MKS offers a really HUGE variety of different coins, just take a look at the beautiful 5 Francs and 20 Centavos coins! And second, concerning sun/moon, he offers standard and reverse sets so you have all possibilities at your fingertips to tell the sun/moon story the way you like it best. Awesome! I will report back when I receive the set, I hardly can wait to play with them. [/quote]

When you have your coins do post a review it would be interesting to hear your thoughts, I personally purchased a sun and moon set for the Sayoya routine off todd and the workmanship is incredible it's just perfect in every way.
Message: Posted by: ostadler (Jan 16, 2019 11:18AM)
Yes, I will post a review of them. I too have a Todd Lassen TWIAD, dollar size, but now I wanted a half dollar size s/m set. I am really looking forward to this new set!
Message: Posted by: Jac -dutch- (Jan 16, 2019 01:26PM)
I have coins from Auke van Dokkum. I ‘m very pleased and really like them. Unfortunally Auke is past awah (R.I.P). A few years ago I red at the Café about Magik Koins. It mooier good and the proces are right. Tod Lassen are maybe the best, but also I red that E-mailcontact (for info and ordening not that fast.). So I made contact with Thierry. He is helpfull and kind. There was a moment that we couldn’t understand each other (for both of us are English not the first language.) Probely my fault. So by it was solved by calling and made the order 5 sun/moon coins. I ‘m looking forward to get the coins and to work with it. I let you know the quality, but believe in his great work.
Message: Posted by: Degio (Jan 17, 2019 05:56AM)
I have bought several coins from Magikoins and found always excellent quality and customer support.
Thierry was kind enough to even find coins with a specific matching date on it!
I do not have any Lassen coin to compare with (from Europe it's almost impossible to buy from Lassen, as you would have to stay awake at night and catch one of his blog updates almost in real time! ;-)
I have a Schoolcraft expanded shell though, as Thierry doesn't manufacture expanded shells (I think rightfully so) and the quality of MKS is certainly at least at par with Schoolcraft.