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Topic: Intercessor knock-off?
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 8, 2012 08:57AM)
I bought G. Bloom's "Intercessor" off the big auction site. It was advertised as the original. Only problem is that the tear will be a perfect quarter circle! Anyone familiar with a knock-off bring made? You can get a knock off of just about everything these days, but this is pathetic!

Terry
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Dec 8, 2012 10:02AM)
The magic community are big on knock offs, that's why they stay in business. It's the cheap ones people usually complain about.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 8, 2012 09:28PM)
After some research it appears that the product I received was produced by King Magic from China. Very poor quality. You might be able to make out the almost perfect one quarter circle tears in the photo! I hope the seller will refund my money, as I thought I was bidding on the original product!
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Dec 9, 2012 08:21AM)
Talk about the "Too perfect" theory.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 9, 2012 05:41PM)
Good news for me in that the seller was very apologetic and immediately refunded me. Seller bought it from Madhatter Magic and was surprised that this company would sell a knock off. I did some research and found the following article from The Daily Deception about Madhatter: http://www.thedailydeception.com/2012/05/unethical-business-model-madhatter-magic/#comments

It does appear that since this article, the Dean's Box knock off has been discontinued. I also cannot find Intercessor on their web site, so maybe they have changed their ways!
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 9, 2012 05:57PM)
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On 2012-12-09 09:21, Paul Rathbun wrote:
Talk about the "Too perfect" theory.
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Yes...it looks like they took a hole saw to a piece of plastic, made large circular holes, and then cut the plasic appropriately to make the template. A knock off is one thing, but an extremely poor knock off is another! Especially when it is packaged as Gaeten's "Intercessor".
Message: Posted by: Engine (Dec 9, 2012 11:50PM)
D'oh... I think I may have gotten one of those too - how can I tell if it's the real deal?
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Dec 10, 2012 07:52AM)
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On 2012-12-10 00:50, Engine wrote:
D'oh... I think I may have gotten one of those too - how can I tell if it's the real deal?
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The tear should look more like the photo on the cover of the instruction booklet:
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 10, 2012 08:39AM)
India is also making a "Poor Man's Intercessor" (my name given to it) from Magic Goods. It only cost $5, with no instructions. It is metal, but it is wider then a poker playing card. It is the smooth part of a circle idea. It works fine if you cut the excess metal off the plate and make it playing cards size.

Works great for Card in Orange. So it is not an ripe off copy, as it is not trying to imitate the Intercessor, but offer an alternative to the torn corner device.
Message: Posted by: Engine (Dec 13, 2012 01:13AM)
I no longer have the instructions, I bought mine from paperineck. Does that ring any bells?

or can anyone post a pic of what the tear should look like?
Message: Posted by: Engine (Dec 13, 2012 05:23PM)
Just found some photos online - looks like I got taken too :(
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 13, 2012 06:37PM)
I have the real thing. Its nice and works great. I got it from Kevin James.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Dec 13, 2012 07:31PM)
I am the guilty one. As I mentioned to Engine, I got this from ebay from a US seller and it ended up in the drawer without me even trying it. I am fully refunding Engine as we speak.
Message: Posted by: Engine (Dec 13, 2012 10:47PM)
That's true - Thanks for taking care of it man :)
Message: Posted by: RussoMagic.com (Dec 15, 2012 09:13AM)
Hey Engine & All - you can tell if it's a fake; because the real deal of Gaeten Bloom's gimmick has a engraved image of him and the name & no.
Message: Posted by: Jedo (Dec 17, 2012 05:52PM)
And for sure it is not in plastic but solid iron
Message: Posted by: baobow (Feb 4, 2013 04:55PM)
Hi All,

Just to make things alittle more confusing. I had concerns about purchasing a knock off version of intercessor and contacted Gaeten for advice. He was nice enough to get back to me. He told me that with his permission, the recent batches of the intercessor are produced directly by Kevin James and Murphys as per his own exact design, unfortunately, as part of the production process, the printing of Gaeten's image on the plate was not done. So based on this, just because the image of Gaeten does not appear engraved on your intercessor does not immediately mean it is a fake. The best way to ensure that it is genuine is to ensure that your magic dealer got it supplied to them from Murphys, and knowing the price of the gimmick, if you are buying it for well below and recommended retail price, then most likely it is not genuine.

Though it has been out since early 2000, I only recently purchased one late last year, the demostration that Gaeteb gave on EMC 2012 was what really convinced me of how powerful this ultility gimmick can really be. Best purchase for afew years, and with the UCCU, I can ring this in and out of a deck fairly easily.

Thanks

Baobow
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Feb 5, 2013 01:17AM)
I rarely use mine, as I mainly work kidshows, and close-up magic. I see it mostly as a device for stage shows - but it's just the most awesome piece of kit. When I first got it, I really couldn't believe it was possible to d*******e two apparently random tears.
Message: Posted by: deanbarlow (Feb 6, 2013 04:35PM)
Baobow, thanks for the great idea about using it with the UCCU!
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Feb 8, 2013 12:39PM)
I too have been had, got mine from kigmagic in china. Also a trick with a little battery powered car,, it didn't work. Unfotunately my emails have gone unanswered for several months now. don't suppose I will hear anything now.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 12, 2013 02:19AM)
The original has a picture of Bloom burnished right into the metal and says "Bloom's Intercessor Gimmick" along with the edition #. (Mine is First Edition N 536. Also says Patent Pending 2001 on the bottom. I don't think the knock offs would go to all that trouble. That's how you tell the difference.
Message: Posted by: baobow (Feb 12, 2013 02:32AM)
Daffdoug, read my post from about 3-4 up and you will realise that it is no longer as straight forward to determine an original
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 12, 2013 07:52AM)
Ok. Sorry! I just read it. now. My bad!
Message: Posted by: jbadman (Feb 13, 2013 02:03AM)
*** I love this (the original) device. I have/had the original - however it's somewhere in one of my decks of cards I think/hope. No idea where... perhaps one day I'll stumble across it again!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 13, 2013 05:32AM)
Yes. I have to admit, this is a creation of genius. Works perfectly every time.

Bloom is a genius, I have used and enjoyed his "Visible Momte" routine for a long time, My opinion: best monte routine ever created, I have floored rooms full of magician with this. Got credit for incredible sleight of hand skills. (but if you could do the moves in the routine with sleight of hand, you would be almost super human.

But back to "Intercessor" : this is totally unique. And the quality is beyond reproach.
Message: Posted by: Yann SICAMOIS (Jun 21, 2013 06:11AM)
Hello dear intercessors,

An official DVD will be released soon and the Intercessor Club is slowly growing.

You can contact me via MP to get info about that club.

Best regards.
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 22, 2014 03:17AM)
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On 2012-12-09 18:41, Terry Holley wrote:
Good news for me in that the seller was very apologetic and immediately refunded me. Seller bought it from Madhatter Magic and was surprised that this company would sell a knock off. I did some research and found the following article from The Daily Deception about Madhatter: http://www.thedailydeception.com/2012/05/unethical-business-model-madhatter-magic/#comments

It does appear that since this article, the Dean's Box knock off has been discontinued. I also cannot find Intercessor on their web site, so maybe they have changed their ways!
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The Daily Deceptor article you reference is no longer there. What happened?
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jan 22, 2014 01:21PM)
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On 2014-01-22 04:17, that'sCool wrote:
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On 2012-12-09 18:41, Terry Holley wrote:
Good news for me in that the seller was very apologetic and immediately refunded me. Seller bought it from Madhatter Magic and was surprised that this company would sell a knock off. I did some research and found the following article from The Daily Deception about Madhatter: http://www.thedailydeception.com/2012/05/unethical-business-model-madhatter-magic/#comments

It does appear that since this article, the Dean's Box knock off has been discontinued. I also cannot find Intercessor on their web site, so maybe they have changed their ways!
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The Daily Deceptor article you reference is no longer there. What happened?
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From The Daily Deception website: "Recently TDD has been going to a lot of changes, changing format, saying goodbye to somethings we used to do...."