(Close Window)
Topic: Possession /bidit box
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 26, 2012 04:30AM)
Hi all there has been a film realesed called Possession about a magic box. I want to get the book. Does anyone know what the book is called? I have forgoten.
Message: Posted by: Joshua J (Dec 26, 2012 04:56AM)
I don't think the film was based on a book, but the box is a dybbuk box which has an interesting history. Plenty of scope for routines with suggestion alone.

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-dibbuk-box-4184199.html?cat=44

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dybbuk_box
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 26, 2012 05:10AM)
Many thanks Joshua. A good read.
Message: Posted by: Tim Dowd (Dec 26, 2012 06:52AM)
Try this http://www.amazon.com/Dibbuk-Box-Jason-Haxton/dp/1612480128
Message: Posted by: RCP (Dec 26, 2012 07:13AM)
Think spirit cabinet
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 26, 2012 07:49AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-26 07:52, Tim Dowd wrote:
Try this http://www.amazon.com/Dibbuk-Box-Jason-Haxton/dp/1612480128
[/quote]
That's it Tim. Many thanks for the link. All the best.
Message: Posted by: YitzhakNoDice (Dec 26, 2012 09:19AM)
Being Jewish, living in Portland, and nurturing the Yiddish Rav persona, this is great material for me. Thanks for reminding us.

This book reminds me of the 1937 film "The Dybbuk" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dybbuk_%28film%29) which has many Yiddish folklore tales woven in it. If you've ever seen Yiddish film of that era, the actors are from the theatre and overact for the silent screen; for audiences now, it seems a little comical (which is very sad indeed). The story, however, is solid and completely authentic to the belief system.

For similar material try reading "Tales of the Baal Shem Tov" collected by Martin Buber (1947) which contains a version of tale of The Dybbuk; the two volume set has been my inspiration for years. Give it a read!
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 26, 2012 09:47AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-26 10:19, YitzhakNoDice wrote:
Being Jewish, living in Portland, and nurturing the Yiddish Rav persona, this is great material for me. Thanks for reminding us.

This book reminds me of the 1937 film "The Dybbuk" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dybbuk_%28film%29) which has many Yiddish folklore tales woven in it. If you've ever seen Yiddish film of that era, the actors are from the theatre and overact for the silent screen; for audiences now, it seems a little comical (which is very sad indeed). The story, however, is solid and completely authentic to the belief system.
Many thanks I will look into the very usefull links that you have posted up,all the best.

For similar material try reading "Tales of the Baal Shem Tov" collected by Martin Buber (1947) which contains a version of tale of The Dybbuk; the two volume set has been my inspiration for years. Give it a read!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: OnTiltSoon (Dec 26, 2012 10:36AM)
I'm thinking about a Lillian's Jewelry Box...
Message: Posted by: OnTiltSoon (Dec 26, 2012 11:05AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-26 07:52, Tim Dowd wrote:
Try this http://www.amazon.com/Dibbuk-Box-Jason-Haxton/dp/1612480128
[/quote]

I think I'm buying :)
Message: Posted by: JessicaSilver (Dec 27, 2012 01:00AM)
There was a Dybbuk in A Serious Man, as well. (Or was there? It makes for two different movies, depending on which side you view it from.)

Dybbuks and Jewish Women is an interesting read. I was playing around with the idea of a Dybbuk box-based routine, but I don't think it will work for me at the moment. Still, it has some strong possibilities...
Message: Posted by: Dreaded Mentalist (Dec 27, 2012 05:52AM)
I've been doing a show inspired by the eBay listing, and history, of the original Dybbuk box for a few years now, mainly around Halloween and a few private viewings. It started off as a cave show in Cheddar caves, but now is a full stage show called The Thirteenth Box, featuring my very own Dybbuk box and cursed artefacts. You can read a review here http://jezstarr.wix.com/thedreadedmentalist#!13th-box-returns-review I was very pleased with it! :D
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 27, 2012 05:56AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-27 06:52, Dreaded Mentalist wrote:
I've been doing a show inspired by the eBay listing, and history, of the original Dybbuk box for a few years now, mainly around Halloween and a few private viewings. It started off as a cave show in Cheddar caves, but now is a full stage show called The Thirteenth Box, featuring my very own Dybbuk box and cursed artefacts. You can read a review here http://jezstarr.wix.com/thedreadedmentalist#!13th-box-returns-review I was very pleased with it! :D
[/quote]
Fantastic read there. Love to see that show. Thanks for sharing. All the best.
Message: Posted by: Tim Dowd (Dec 27, 2012 11:15AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-27 06:52, Dreaded Mentalist wrote:
I've been doing a show inspired by the eBay listing, and history, of the original Dybbuk box for a few years now, mainly around Halloween and a few private viewings. It started off as a cave show in Cheddar caves, but now is a full stage show called The Thirteenth Box, featuring my very own Dybbuk box and cursed artefacts. You can read a review here http://jezstarr.wix.com/thedreadedmentalist#!13th-box-returns-review I was very pleased with it! :D
[/quote]
Can't access on my iPad :(
Message: Posted by: OnTiltSoon (Dec 27, 2012 12:09PM)
I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dNEGu3ea0E
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 12:09AM)
Hi Guys - I actually ended up with the Dibbuk Box because of you magicians... or illusionists. One evening, as a special treat for my son, Michael an illusionist visited our home to perform an elaborate magical illusion. He produced what seemed a perfectly ordinary navel orange and allowed my son to examine it thoroughly.

It was just an orange, except when it was peeled, it revealed a whole lemon, and when the lemon was peeled, it revealed an entire chicken egg. Michael then broke the egg over my son’s head, releasing a glittering cloud of confetti. Those few moments of entertainment had required an intricate, highly skilled, and careful setup.

As a rule, illusionists do not share the secrets of their craft, but Michael made an exception this time, showing my son the effort required to create the illusion. Michael and I became friends and found out that we shared many interests. But I didn’t tell him about the Dibbuk Box or its history until one day in January 2004 he came to me with an idea he was having trouble working out.

Michael wanted to create a show that could use his illusionist skills and provide a small income outside his regular salary. Inspired by a ghost tour he had taken in New Orleans, he wanted to develop a walking tour of Kirksville that would focus on sites of ghostly encounters and strange deaths. He and I already walked the streets of Kirksville while I pointed out locations and told him the weird lore and macabre tales I had collected over the past twenty-three
years. Michael wanted to end his tour by inviting the participants into his home, where he would have an illusion set up to culminate the experience with a “paranormal” climax.

His quandary was how to come up with a plausible reason for this sudden “haunting” within his own house. The Dibbuk Box offered what seemed like the perfect solution. By incorporating the story of the Dibbuk Box into his walking tour, he could have a haunting anywhere he chose. After all, the box was in his town and it contained a captive spirit. Knowing the lengths to which Michael might go, I wasn’t sure I wanted to tell Michael about the Dibbuk Box, or whether I wanted to be any more deeply involved with the actual artifact.

So I figured to avoid the issue of having the actual box physically present for Michael’s tour by offering to help him create a replica spirit box, reasoning that Michael was providing entertainment, so his story didn’t need to be the absolute truth.

One day when I arrived at Michael’s home with my son, I was determined to tell Michael about the Dibbuk Box and explain how a homemade knockoff of
the actual artifact could be used to pull off the spontaneous “haunting” he hoped to stage for his walking tour.

I turned to the subject to the Dibbuk Box. I told Michael that, with the right artifact, he could apparently cause a spirit to appear at his command anywhere he liked. Michael was clearly baffled, but I let the words “Dibbuk Box” play in his mind. I had told Michael everything I knew of the Dibbuk Box. He mostly stayed silent as we talked, but now he wanted to know how he could get his hands on this Dibbuk Box. I let Michael know that the “haunted box” was available on an eBay auction, and the auction would continue for several more days. But he didn’t need to buy the actual artifact; he could simply use the eBay image of the box and the description of its contents to build a replica of his own use.

Michael made it clear that he’d consider this option only if the real thing could not be won. I asked him why and he said that when we shared
the story with him, the intensity and the emotion of the telling had the same effect on him as a campfire tale told to a circle of awed listeners.
Michael wanted to tap into that same kind of emotional excitement for his performance, so nothing would do but to display the real object.

Besides, why go to the trouble of recreating something that was already perfect and had a truly eerie history? And if the Dibbuk Box came with a haunting spirit, so much the better, right? Right! His was not a question but a pronouncement of assumed agreement. Michael was making sense; I should have known to use more
caution. Maybe my own deep-seated desire to get my hands on this artifact saw Michael’s statement as the justification for taking the leap I’d
been psychologically avoiding. So I bought the Dibbuk Box!
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 28, 2012 12:32AM)
Edit

Nice forum,for your first post...on Café!
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 28, 2012 09:13AM)
Wow what a first post agetron, very interesting and look forward to reading more of your post's, all the best.
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 11:25AM)
Hey Guys,
I am glad you enjoyed the post and the real story of how I ended up with the Dibbuk Box - it might just as easily ended up with one you! Which reminds me, I was going to provide a good replica to Jake Murphree of your group. I planned to drop it off on one of my runs to Florida for Museum business - that is where Jake is from. All was going well - we emailed for a week or so. I was going to do a trade for some one of Jake's fake decayed heads or something like that. His wife learned of the transaction - no big deal - he does this stuff a good bit. Then she read about the Dibbuk Box and truly wanted him to have nothing to do with the replica. He honored her wish (he was a cool guy - it didn't matter to me. Perhaps it was her fear of sympathetic or contagion magic that made her ask her husband not to pursue this one.

From Wiki: "the theory of sympathetic magic was first developed by Sir James George Frazer in The Golden Bough (1889); Richard Andree, however, anticipates Frazer, writing of 'Sympathie-Zauber' in his 1878 Ethnographische Parallelen und Vergleiche. Frazer further subcategorized sympathetic magic into two varieties: that relying on similarity, and that relying on contact or 'contagion'.

If we analyze the principles of thought on which magic is based, they will probably be found to resolve themselves into two: first, that like produces like, or that an effect resembles its cause; and, second, that things which have once been in contact with each other continue to act on each other at a distance after the physical contact has been severed. The former principle may be called the Law of Similarity, the latter the Law of Contact or Contagion. From the first of these principles, namely the Law of Similarity, the magician infers that he can produce any effect he desires merely by imitating it: from the second he infers that whatever he does to a material object will affect equally the person with whom the object was once in contact, whether it formed part of his body or not."

Now here is the strange part of it all - perhaps it is Jewish mysticism - real magic and not pretend or faked tricks. Jake's wife was right to decline a replica - because in hindsight now - Jake might already be tied to the object more than he knows. The one he was to receive was given away.

Funny though... it was exactly this day two years ago (Dec. 28th, 2010) that I contacted Jake Murphree after his post about the Dibbuk Box on the Magic Café. I am only popping in for a bit, so don't expect much more from me after a few more days - for a few years - ;). Every now and then I will do a Google Searches in the last 24 hrs. to see who is chatting about the object - it sometimes helps in my research - connecting with the truly interested. To prove this is true -- check your archives and here is the header of the email from my communication - 2 years ago.

How is that for a trick? Now by nature you all our likely jaded to think that I have something up my sleeve as it is said but I do not. I wonder if Jake will chime in as we really have had no contact since - respecting his wife's wishes. In a second reply I will attached is the image of the replica offered to Jake at the time. For some reason it will not let me add here - says it is too large.

THE HEADER:
From: dibbukbox@hotmail.com
To: theplacentapede@gmail.com
Subject: Replica of the Dibbuk Box images
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:54:45 -0600

“Hey Jake,
I pulled your email off face book as it is easier for me to send information and attachments by this method [hotmail]. I am not a real fan of face book and only use it for family and a few others. Etc. ... (more stuff written)
Jason”

So there it is - you guys have a habit of discussing this artifact in cycles - you decide Dibbuk Box - Real? Or parlor trick??
Best regards,
Jason
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 11:39AM)
Okay - one more try to attach the replica image!
Enjoy!
Jason
Message: Posted by: OnTiltSoon (Dec 28, 2012 11:40AM)
[quote]
On 2012-12-28 12:39, agetron wrote:
Okay - one more try to attach the replica image!
Enjoy!
Jason
[/quote]

The link does not work :(
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 11:45AM)
Yes, the *** Dibbuk Box! I have tried a dozen times to load - even from different areas of the computer and Internet - desktop and such - it just won't load. The image is only 27KB - smallest size for an email attachment of the image.

So, if you want to see the replica image just email me at: dibbukbox@hotmail.com that will be easiest.

Best,
Jason
Message: Posted by: Van Helmont (Dec 28, 2012 11:45AM)
Not to forget this very recent gem:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=485870&forum=14&24
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 11:57AM)
Excellent link and story - my family immigrated from Praha/Prague and I have been to the Old New Synagogue several times. I always thought the Golem had been in the Spanish Synagogue which is nearby or that might have been the original location - before it was broken up and put in the Old New Synagogue! I heard Hitler sent troops to try to find the Golem.
Thanks! Jason
Message: Posted by: OnTiltSoon (Dec 28, 2012 05:53PM)
Another video I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjXGfutkbD0
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 28, 2012 09:12PM)
Yeah... I remember that interview with Clyde (Ground Zero) - the producer went home the day of interview with bleeding blisters and terribly ill. The camera person had a burn across his neck and back while filming, the other camera person became violently ill, all security communication went off, all from the second Dibbuk Box, all their Internet shut down for call ins and taping the show. They were pretty disturbed and yet loved every minute of the interview and show - takes all kinds.

Best,
Jason
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 28, 2012 10:29PM)
Jason, email was sent!
Best,
Gary
Message: Posted by: Anverdi-museum (Dec 29, 2012 06:14AM)
I am in the process of building an electronic Dybbuk box ( entertainment purposes only ), I will post a video when completed.




Chuck Caputo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekB9B1epjw
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 29, 2012 11:50AM)
Hi Chuck - Nice Christmas video on YouTube. I remember that back in April 26, 2009 Magic Café showed this Spirit Box - it was a Dibbuk Box knock off even back then. The Dibbuk box does all this without batteries or electricity and much more!

Here is the link to see the Cabinet de Muertos in action: http://www.outlaw-effects.com/store/golden-gun/cabinet.html

And the link to the discussion of spirit boxes on Magic Café is here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=307546&forum=14&start=60

Enjoy!
Jason
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Dec 29, 2012 11:51AM)
Jason,

I'm trying to recall the documentary on the box from a few years ago, not the recent Paranormal Witness or The Possession.
Can you shed light on this? I've searched on line and cannot find reference to it.

BTW, looking forward to reading your book.

Tony
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 29, 2012 12:09PM)
Hi Tony,
Over the past few years I have been interviewed a few dozen times and it gets a bit blurry. I am not sure of this one to be honest. However, the podcasts were with Benjamin "Ben " Grundy and Aaron Wright of Mysterious Universe (MU). I first gave an interview for MU in 2005 and they shut down immediately - luckily a year later they were up again and I have provided interviews every few years after (something always goes wrong).

Just search using the word Dibbuk.

MU link: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/

I hope that helps.
Jason
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Dec 29, 2012 12:15PM)
I have, as I recall, it was a full epesode (hour long) tv documentary, part of a series like Haunted (on A&E or Discovery, not SYFY).
I've listened to the MU interviews, this is good information for everyone interested.

Thank you.

Tony
Message: Posted by: agetron (Dec 29, 2012 12:24PM)
Thanks Tony,
There will be a show out soon on History Channel H2 - Perhaps as soon as January or February. They had a crew of 8 filming, exploring, researching - including a Medium Laurie Campbell of Orange COunty, Califorinia. I was a bit taken back to have a medium flown in who had no idea what she was to look at (the Dibbuk Box is incased in two levels of containers an Ark - Aron Hakodesh and then a bulky grey military case).

It was quite interesting. So that will be out soon!

And there is a brief but very intimate exploration of the Dibbuk Box and an interview I provided for Lionsgate - it is a featurette - part of the Blu-ray and DVD movie "The Possession" which is due out January 15th.

Best,
Jason
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 29, 2012 12:57PM)
Jason, thanks for coming to,Cafe!
And,all you have shared here,and off site!

Best,
Gary
Message: Posted by: Anverdi-museum (Dec 29, 2012 01:03PM)
Thanks Jason, The Christmas video was a lot of fun. I am familiar with the Cabinet effect with the link you supplied...beautiful!! I love the look of Outlaws effects and use a few of Tim Wisseman's effects, very creative.

The Dibbuk Box is a fascinating concept and can be adapted to our purposes, I like the idea with a somewhat small version of this box, a little more convenient to carry around.


I am a big fan of the television show of Paranormal Witness, I liked the story of the D. Box they highlighted and was surprised the movie Possession was about the same thing.......fascinating indeed.


Chuck
Message: Posted by: agetron (Jan 1, 2013 11:07PM)
Chuck,
Let me know when you have your magic cabinet or box finished - I would like to see what it can do!
Best,
Jason