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Topic: Story Patter
Message: Posted by: Shawn74 (Nov 15, 2003 04:28AM)
I've been reading Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic and have just finished the chapter on Situational Meaning in which he talks about story patter and the advantages and disadvantages of using this to present an effect.

I thought it would be interesting to find out how many of you out there use story patter. To be more direct, how many of you use story patter that was not originally part of the routine? Something that you made up on your own that just happened to fit your effect. What effect is it? Where did you get the idea from?

Just thought this might be of some interest
Thank You
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Nov 16, 2003 02:58AM)
If you mean not part of MY design for the routine... then not often. However I do discuss the basic premise / presentation / images with folks at times to get feedback and suggestions about what is interesting.

The likelyhood of mis-interpreting a situation seems to suggest erring on the side of caution. IMHO
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Nov 25, 2003 09:41PM)
Shawn74 asks: ". . . how many of you use story patter that was not originally part of the routine? Something that you made up on your own that just happened to fit your effect. What effect is it? Where did you get the idea from?"

Well, I guess I'm one.

But I can't really limit my answer to one effect since the patter for every bit I do in both my kids' and adults' show is original with me, as far as I know.

And where did the ideas come from? Wow! Where DIDN'T they come from?! Just about everything I've ever done has had a small part in forming the routines, I guess.

Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 14, 2003 05:08PM)
I use story patter with a lot of my material. Most of it I write myself.

Where do the ideas come from?

Some of it comes from movies. Some from television. Some from books. Some from the news. Some from translations that I have done.

Basically, my material reflects my education and my life.
Message: Posted by: arielf (Dec 16, 2003 01:24AM)
I use story patter as well. I even wrote a book on the topic, called 'Card Stories'. It contains card tricks, presentations, and for each, the history of the trick and presentation.

I work a lot with word association. For instance, Twisting the Aces can lead to the idea of 'turning over', which can lead to dogs rolling over, and hence a routine involving trained dogs.

There's some more info in the articles on my site, isawthat.com.
Message: Posted by: K-Max (Dec 19, 2003 03:10PM)
Yup, I use story effects all the time. I think I like them so much because they eat up some time and people can really remember what you were saying. It's very gratifying to hear somebody telling somebody else one of my stories, while I hear almost nobody discussing that knuckle-busting card routine that another contestant did. Even though I have great respect for other types of magicians I just feel that a well-crafted story can stick with people much longer.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 21, 2003 03:19PM)
Some time back, I attended a convention where one of the lecturers said, "How often have you seen an ad that says,'this trick is a good time killer?' You don't need time KILLERS, you need time FILLERS."
Message: Posted by: xxxRoyxxx (Dec 22, 2003 11:35PM)
Okay, so how succesful are your stories? Do you feel the audience really got involved with your stories, or did they get bored, or are they indifferent towards them???
I ask because I'm working on my routine for the die box, in which I also use an original story. I've only performed it once a while back and it was actually quite successful. But I'm still working on it, refining it, etc... Yet, I'm thinking to myself...If I perform this for an adult audience how would they react to a story line patter? I'm worried that they would be indifferent to the story, which lessen's the effect. Also, a bit off the subject, how would adults react to a sucker effect using the familiar comedy by-play? Using them on the kids is great and they follow along well. But would adults be a bit more reserved when it comes to their involvement in a sucker trick. I ask this because I do another routine for adults, in which I ask them a question(which leads into a comedic bit) but I sometimes have a hard time getting the adults involved. That is why my die box routine is based on a story that does not involve the audience to get involved for my fear that they will be too reserved to, unlike children who really think they've figured out the trick. Then again, I've had other adult audiences that were excellent when it came to participation...Any help, comments etc???.....