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Topic: Mind Power, Radar, or Cassandra Deck
Message: Posted by: Caleb Wiles (Nov 17, 2003 06:17PM)
Does anyone have any of these decks? (John Kennedy's Mind Power Deck, Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck, or Doc Hillford's Cassandra Deck) Which one would you recommend? How hard is it to make a radar deck? Just looking for some feedback. I'm trying to figure out which one I would want. I'll probably end up using the effect in my large close up show and maybe even small stage situations. Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: Peo Olsson (Nov 17, 2003 07:18PM)
I really would like to know what the differences are between the three decks, and as I only own the Cassandra deck, I can only say it works just great for me.
Also if you purchase the booklet "Fem Fatale" for the Cassandra Deck, you have 64 rutines to go.

Same answear as in Pick a card... any card cj, but know I remember seeing John Kennedy performing the Mind Power Deck on a video clip, and he only missed once.

Peo
Message: Posted by: RC4MAG (Nov 17, 2003 08:34PM)
All three are basically the same effect to your audience. I have used all these and find the Radar Deck is good for multiple people looking at the cards during performance and uses what appears as less pumping.
The Kennedy and Hilford decks are constructed completely different but utilizes virtually the exact same process for the performer to determine the name of the card.
Message: Posted by: kamiruaga (Nov 17, 2003 08:40PM)
Hi!
John Kennedy's Mind Power Deck is quite good. Derren Brown's handling of that deck is brilliant (sometimes you'll be able to reveal which card the spec is thinking of without any question). Check his Devil's Picture book video. I'd say that Mind Power Deck is good for a close up situation.

As for Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck, the idea is very good too, but it seems to me that it's devised for a parlour/stage situation.
Best,
Message: Posted by: psychic (Nov 17, 2003 11:58PM)
I do not know the Cassandra Deck,so I cant comment, but own both the Mind Power and own Richard's DVD which he tips on the Radar Deck.

To me, you can show both to audience members and is ideal for parlour/stage or even close up!

The MP Deck however is gimmicked so that you may show completely and quite freely all the cards to the spectator. In fact you can count from 1 to 52 while showing them, and spread on the table for them to see.

Having said that, both of these decks cannot be examined so really it doesn't matter much if you can communicate what needs to be communicated to your audience...like the deck normal etc

And again, there are also other 'similar' but not the same decks, which you may or even have across with. The underlying principle is the same.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Nov 17, 2003 11:59PM)
It's no problem using the Radar one-to-one or close up.
It's strenght is in parlour/stage use when you can do multipple readings, though
Sven
Message: Posted by: hjelm (Nov 18, 2003 01:51AM)
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On 2003-11-17 19:17, cjmagicman wrote:
How hard is it to make a radar deck?
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Well, it's not hard at all. It takes some minutes. And there is no gimmick to buy. I recommened that you buy Osterlinds' DVDs. There you can see the handling. And you will also get a lot of other good material.
Message: Posted by: fleischer (Nov 18, 2003 03:32PM)
The radar deck takes a bit of work with the head, you have to keep track of some cards...there is more of them than in a koran or similar... but, as richards says in "making magic real", if you were supposed to read minds, you would work really hard.. so that adds credability... I found it real good.

/H
Message: Posted by: Avocat (Nov 18, 2003 05:54PM)
A major advantage Radar has over Cassandra is its ability to ensure different spectators select different cards. The performer can, of course, work around duplicate selections (e.g. Max Maven's "Tossed-Out Tech" and Harry Anderson's handing from _Wiseguy_), but it's cleaner and less weaselly to reveal and confirm three or four completely different cards.

I view Cassandra as a sort of Swiss-Army-Knife-Mentalists'-Deck. It's a weaker Toss-Out than most other versions, but it WILL work as one. It's a weaker free-choice than Mindpower, but it's less gimmicked and more natural looking (especially because I made my own Cassandra with just an office paper-slicer and scissors). It's easier to "fish" for selections than the Radar, but it's slightly (SLIGHTLY) more gimmicky. Finally, Cassandra can effect a vanish (a weak one, in my view) of a mentally selected card, which Radar cannot and Mindpower can, but only some of the time.

Magically yours,

Jim
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Nov 19, 2003 08:13AM)
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As for Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck, the idea is very good too, but it seems to me that it's devised for a parlour/stage situation.
Best,



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Since this was posted, I would like to clarify one point.

When we did the L&L DVD's, we decided to put all the Breakthrough Card Material on one video. I DO sometimes use the Radar Deck as shown on video one, but I often use the card calling routine there, instead. I use the Radar Deck CONSTANTLY for close-up work. I do it most often with 3 or 4 people, but it works perfectly with 2 and I have often used it for just one person.

Richard
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Nov 19, 2003 08:19AM)
Hey, Richard, I cant wait for your DVD. I ordered them on Monday. I have got to say that I have never seen such rave reviews like this before. Everyone is talking about them and how good they are. Congrats.
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Nov 19, 2003 03:22PM)
Thank you, David!

Richard

PS Hope you enjoy them. :)
Message: Posted by: MichelAsselin (Nov 19, 2003 07:20PM)
I've spread the deck on the table, chatted amicably about it being a standard deck, and then went into the "Think-a-Card" phase. It boldly flies sight unseen, and fools totally.

It is the Radar deck with the warranty card and a joker added to it,s face. Richard's idea is brilliant.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Wiles (Nov 19, 2003 09:38PM)
Thanks for your help, guys. I just ordered the first volume of Osterlind's series. I can't wait until it shows up. Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Solomon (Nov 20, 2003 02:56PM)
Hey this is Sol from Seattle. I just have to say this to Mr. Richard Osterlind: I really and sincerely admire your work, presentation and everything else. You really are a master of the field, and I look forward to the day when I can shake your hand and meet you!

sol :dance: :cucumber: :dance: :band:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 30, 2003 05:00PM)
Ditto, Sol, on that. Richard has a way about him that I see in no other mentalist. :thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Dec 2, 2003 07:41AM)
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On 2003-11-17 19:17, cjmagicman wrote:
Does anyone have any of these decks? (John Kennedy's Mind Power Deck, Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck, or Doc Hillford's Cassandra Deck) Which one would you recommend? [/quote]

Well, there is NOT one deck that is better. Cassandra deck is, IMO, very gimmicked, but allows you to present a lot of different effects. Mindpower deck is gimmicked, too, and the effect you get is almost the one you get with the Radar Deck.

However, because of the handling Richard uses, the impact you get with Radar Deck is greater.

And the deck itself is a piece of cake to make.
Message: Posted by: Craig Crossman (Feb 19, 2004 07:15PM)
While I have all three, I have to go with the MPD. Perhaps it's because I primarily do close-up mentalism with cards. The fact that I can spread out the cards, then after the selection LEAVE them spread out face up on the table, find the card(s) and slide out all of the chosen ones completely out from the deck face up on the table---all of that makes it super strong.
Message: Posted by: Peo Olsson (Feb 19, 2004 08:25PM)
I might be biased, but Osterlind's effects work so well for me, and the Radar Deck is no exception.

Since I wrote my post in here, I have all three decks now, and my favorite has to be the Radar Deck, period.

Peo
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Feb 19, 2004 08:33PM)
Docc's is very cool!

Although recently, I am going 100% impromptu. I have back-engineered the effects in Docc's manual (Those that I can't live without) to work with an ungaffed deck!

I use the Cassandra for my Tossed-Out deck!
Message: Posted by: mystic1 (Feb 20, 2004 01:04AM)
No decks, no cards. (Unless you are VERY experienced and maybe not even then.)
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Feb 20, 2004 04:11AM)
No billets and no note pads. Lets do it for real.
Message: Posted by: Craig Crossman (Feb 20, 2004 09:13AM)
Since I SPECIFICALLY say that I do "Mentalism with cards," the cards are therefore necessary. Nothing says that mentalism has to be done without any props at all!

Those who insist on doing mentalism without any props is tantamount to purists who insist on doing card magic with only a straight deck, no gaffs. Nothing wrong with that if that's what you are into. But it's always been my observation that with cards, effects that use gaffs produce results that are far more more impossible than those done without them.
Message: Posted by: Xia (Feb 20, 2004 10:46AM)
I think that mentalism, as with all art, is completely subjective, therefore, whatever you decide you want to do or how you want to present yourself or your effects is down to you and you only. Advice on the Café is all good and I have learned so much here and made friends here, but your individuality is paramount. Do what you want and if you disagree with someone here, do what YOU want.
Just my opinion.
M. Xia
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 20, 2004 06:39AM)
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On 2003-11-18 18:54, Avocat wrote:
A major advantage Radar has over Cassandra is its ability to ensure different spectators select different cards. The performer can, of course, work around duplicate selections

Magically yours,

Jim
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Correct me if I am wrong but the Radar deck cannot ensure that dupes do not occur. In fact two dupes are possible. It would be easy to have 2 on left pick same card and then two on right pick same card. Osterlind makes this stronger on the revelation.
Message: Posted by: Ian Rowland (Mar 21, 2004 07:15AM)
Cjmagicman - you raise a good question, and I appreciate that not everyone can buy everything!, but it's not really possible to say which is 'best'. It depends what you want to achieve.

Which is best - a hammer or a saw? Kinda depends whether you need to bang in a nail or slice some wood. Same with these three decks.

There are two different approaches when it comes to buying dealer items. One is to buy an item and then think to yourself what you might do with it or use it for. The other is to first of all work out your performance and what you are trying to achieve, and then, if you need a special item or gimmick, shop around for the best tool for the job.

Derren's effect, Smoke, is the best use of a Mindpower Deck that I've ever seen. If that's the kind of trick you want to do, then go for it. But my personal vote would be for ANYTHING with Richard Osterlind's name on it. Small hint: if you haven't bought 'Dynamic Mysteries', I urge you to do so. Then you'll know why, for myself and so many others, 'Osterlind' rhymes with 'genius'.
Message: Posted by: Craig Crossman (Mar 21, 2004 05:27PM)
Ian,

Could you please point me towards the Smoke effect by Derren for the MPD you mention?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: enriqueenriquez (Mar 21, 2004 05:32PM)
PalmBeachGuy,

You will find Smoke in DB’s “Pure Effect”.
Message: Posted by: salsa_dancer (Mar 21, 2004 06:39PM)
Also on the Devil's Picturebook Video
Message: Posted by: Bill Fienning (Mar 21, 2004 10:06PM)
I am familiar with the Cassandra deck, but I prefer Richard Osterland's Radar Deck. In any case, you need to have his DVDs in your collection.

Although the Radar Deck cannot be subject to infinitely close scrutiny, this is not a problem. To be a mentalist, you must have a different attitude, one of innocence, from that of a magician, one of guilt. Watch Osterlind's Videos. This man reeks of innocence. He would never stoop to using trickery. This allows him to get away with a lot. As I move deeper into mentalism, I must develop more of this innocent persona.
Message: Posted by: DaveS (Mar 22, 2004 02:09PM)
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On 2004-03-21 08:15, Ian Rowland wrote:
...But my personal vote would be for ANYTHING with Richard Osterlind's name on it. Small hint: if you haven't bought 'Dynamic Mysteries', I urge you to do so. Then you'll know why, for myself and so many others, 'Osterlind' rhymes with 'genius'.
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Couldn't agree more, Ian. The bad news -- Dynamic Mysteries is out of print and copies are exceedingly difficult to find. The good news -- Osterlind is planning to re-release the material in a "new updated form in the near future" (see thread below).
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=30484&forum=110
DaveS