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Topic: Question About Ammar's Coins Through Silk
Message: Posted by: CardStudent (Feb 17, 2013 10:37PM)
Is there anyone here who has performed this routine? If so, I have a question about the 3rd coin I would like to talk to you about via PM.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Feb 18, 2013 11:24AM)
Are you referring to the routine where he uses a clear silk that you can actually see the coins through the silk?
Message: Posted by: CardStudent (Feb 18, 2013 01:15PM)
Tbaer-

Yes I am. I have his "Easy to Master Money Miracles" DVD's, and I am running into a problem with the 3rd coin as I am trying to learn this routine. I cannot state exactly what the problem I am having is except in PM because I do not want to expose the method to those as yet unfamiliar with it.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Feb 18, 2013 02:34PM)
CardStudent, I thought that might be the routine you were speaking of. I had those DVDs a long time ago. I'm not into coin magic like I was back then and sold most of my DVDs and coins. There are a lot of members who are into coin magic, so I'm sure someone will chime in and help you.
Message: Posted by: davidj40 (Feb 18, 2013 04:44PM)
I've done this routine. Send me a pm with questions and I'll see if I can help.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Feb 18, 2013 06:04PM)
Someone else had put out a version on DVD, darned if I can remember who.
Message: Posted by: wandmgc8 (Feb 18, 2013 06:37PM)
I have this routine on an old video tape of Michael's lecture at the Magic Castle. I don't perform in public, but, have done this several times, and, it's a very neat routine. It appealed to me right off the bat.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Akal Singh (Feb 23, 2013 05:15PM)
I do this routine. Learned it on VHS and then from Michael a few years later.

It's elegant, beautiful, and magical!! Haller if you're still having trouble. Best!

-Akal Singh
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Feb 23, 2013 08:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-18 19:04, Tom G wrote:
Someone else had put out a version on DVD, darned if I can remember who.
[/quote]

Nate Kranzo has a coin through silk routine on his Out Of The Box and Old School Kranzo DVD's.
Message: Posted by: motown (Feb 23, 2013 10:47PM)
You should check out Dave Barry's Slicker Coins Through Silk in Ammar's Magical Arts Journal Book. It 's an improved handling.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Feb 24, 2013 02:47AM)
And I also have a One touch Handling In my Sound Routines Book!
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Feb 24, 2013 12:59PM)
Michael Ammar published his routine for the first time in Encore III p 78

I know also of
Ross Burns. Apocalypse Vol 4 # 4 © April 1981 by Harry Lorayne p 469 Liquid Silver. The routine is done with four coins and a handkerchief, the last coin being passed thanks to a variant of the Gipsy Switch. The routine is not described using a sheer see through handkerchief but can easily be done with one

and another routine by (if my memory serves well) by Mike Powers using a shell. Nowadays a Flipper Coin or a TUC would offer extra possibilities

David Roth: Ultimate Coin Magic Collection DVD Vol 2 Three coins. Benzais friction palm for the first coin, Click Pass for the second, and then the silk is draped over the coin held between the right thumb and first finger into the performer’s hand. The left fingers come from the top and pinch the coin through the silk as the right thumb folds a tiny part of the silk behind the coin. The left fingers then pick up the front part of the silk to show the coin under the silk bringing that front part over the right forearm. Then grabbing both layers of the silk on the forearm the coin is covered again (it actually ends beneath the fold which the left fingers catch as the right hand twists the silk to isolate the coin. The spectator is asked to hand over his hand and grab the coin (as it is placed in the hand the performer starts to partially pull it out. The spectator is asked to turn his loose fist fingers up and the silk is tugged out of his hand.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 24, 2013 02:19PM)
There is a version using the TUC found in "T.U.C. Appreciation" that is more visual than the original with several possible endings.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Feb 24, 2013 03:38PM)
Since we've taken to listing alternative routines with a similar premise, it would be amiss not to include Chris Power's three coin penetration routine using a see-through silk. The routine was inspired by Ammar's but is somewhat more direct.

It is taught in his Opus lecture notes.

Owen
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Feb 24, 2013 08:36PM)
Chris Powers, yes, sorry for the confusion on the first name. His routine is a brilliant routine as well.
Thank you Owen.Daniel for the precisions
Message: Posted by: James Alan (Feb 24, 2013 09:42PM)
I did the routine for a few years. Michael also had two different endings, depending on what source you learned from.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Feb 25, 2013 07:50AM)
Aha, Lawrence I hadn't even made the connection that this was the routine you meant. I did think it strange that nobody had pointed it out before me!

You can find footage of both Chris Power's and Michael Ammar's version on youtube... personally my preference is with Power's routine since there is less handling of the coins, and the entire routine looks beautifully fair. From memory it does not use any gimmicks (I will check when I get home this evening).

Owen
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Feb 26, 2013 02:12PM)
As a follow up to my previous post,

Indeed this routine does not use any gimmicks. Christ performs this with US dollar coins, and from my experience practicing with the routine I find this preferable to using halves, as the moves depend somewhat on the weight of the coins.

I cannot recommend this routine highly enough!

Owen
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 26, 2013 03:38PM)
Of possible interest -- when I first saw this effect I did not know how it was done. Impressed, I played with it and figured out a way to do it with an EXP [ and was later surprised to learn that it was performed with no gaff. When I later added the modified effect for the TUC to the book it was based on my contrived method and not a modification of the Ammar Routine. Naturally, I gave credit to Ammar for the basic effect and referred readers to it for an "ungaffed" method.

even though I "created" the approach I used it never would have happened had I not seen his effect performed -- gossamer scarfs not being part of my garb.

When I met Michael at a lecture I told him of my innovation/variation and he asked for the ending I use. I purchased a copy of his routine when I learned it was ungaffed.
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Feb 26, 2013 08:56PM)
Is this routine available anywhere else other than in high-priced or rare sources?
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Feb 26, 2013 08:57PM)
Chris Powers', that is.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Feb 26, 2013 09:29PM)
Also, Al Schneider's Osmosis compares nicely with this routine.

Jim
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 2, 2013 01:29PM)
Chris Power;s routine is superb and if ever you get the chance to see him lecture you will not be disappointed :)
Message: Posted by: wally (Mar 17, 2013 01:10PM)
Chris powers video wanted, magicwalsh@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: wally (Mar 19, 2013 06:04AM)
Whats the best coins to use, I am from UK, but I do have some Norm nielsons coins.
Message: Posted by: Al Schneider (Mar 21, 2013 05:59PM)
Thanks J-Mac

Here is the clip.

http://youtu.be/9S9pavdVRKw

Al Schneider
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 21, 2013 10:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-26 21:56, Ray Haining wrote:
Is this routine available anywhere else other than in high-priced or rare sources?
[/quote]You can get it from Ammar for $9

http://www.ammarmagic.com/encore-3.html
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Mar 22, 2013 12:26AM)
I was referring to the Chris Powers' routine.
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 22, 2013 08:43AM)
Having you tried emailing Chris?
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 22, 2013 08:59AM)
Chris Powers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxaqMgTanR0

Michael Ammar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kRb1n3rv6A

What's really nice about Power's routine is that he's doing it in the spectators hand.

Manual Muerte has a version on his DVD Done by Misdirection using a panty hose, that's real cool.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 22, 2013 01:37PM)
Too bad Chris Powers wasn't on Letterman during magic week!
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Mar 22, 2013 03:51PM)
I got an offer for Chris Powers' lecture notes, which have it, but I turned it down. Some one else was also interested. I figure I have too much stuff to work on already. Also, someone mentioned a streamlined version in the Magical Arts Journal, which I have and want to check out first.
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 22, 2013 07:38PM)
I'd like to get a hold of them.
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Mar 23, 2013 01:06AM)
I'm also interested in either the lecture notes or tape of Chris Power's routine. Please PM me if you have this for sale.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 24, 2013 12:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-21 18:59, Al Schneider wrote:
Thanks J-Mac

Here is the clip.

http://youtu.be/9S9pavdVRKw

Al Schneider
[/quote]

That.....well, looks like real magic.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Mar 25, 2013 10:16PM)
His stage persona is great too
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Mar 25, 2013 10:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-24 01:54, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-21 18:59, Al Schneider wrote:
Thanks J-Mac

Here is the clip.

http://youtu.be/9S9pavdVRKw

Al Schneider
[/quote]

That.....well, looks like real magic.
[/quote]

Al's stuff always does!

Jim
Message: Posted by: wally (Apr 10, 2013 07:40AM)
Chris powers coins thru silk video wanted. magicwalsh@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Sep 29, 2013 12:58PM)
So where can you get the silk/chiffon cloth used for this routine?
Message: Posted by: Craig Ousterling (Sep 29, 2013 02:20PM)
Neznarf... You can get good see-thru scarves form Ammar's website. If you want the material to flow better like Al's, he suggests in his book using material from a bug net.
Message: Posted by: MagicofDesperado (Dec 2, 2014 01:14AM)
Do the Ammar scarves for this effect have a name brand. I have the DVD but trouble locating the very sheer scarf. Any help that could lead me to sourcing it locally would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Dartagnan
Message: Posted by: funsway (Dec 2, 2014 01:55AM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2014, MagicofDesperado wrote:
Do the Ammar scarves for this effect have a name brand. I have the DVD but trouble locating the very sheer scarf. Any help that could lead me to sourcing it locally would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Dartagnan [/quote]

I found mine in Thrift Stores - sometimes as part of silk gown. Try the sleepwear sections.
Message: Posted by: fonda57 (Dec 2, 2014 05:56PM)
I found one at a thrift store, too. I've always liked Osmosis. I'm no good at it just yet, and I have not performed it for anyone, but it's fun to practice.
Message: Posted by: MagicofDesperado (Dec 2, 2014 06:08PM)
How sheer is right? Also the weave of the fabric is important yeah? I was going by the " looks the same whether one or two layers" test
Message: Posted by: wandmgc8 (Dec 5, 2014 10:49AM)
I understand that the material used is like one of those scarfs usually associated with what elderly ladies used to be seen wearing. They used to be very cheap and plentiful, but I haven't seen them in any of the stores that used to carry them. Must be out of style. Sheer material can be had that looks the same, but, I'm not sure about the texture of what's out there. Maybe keep an eye out at a Goodwill store or others of that sort for a super-sheer scarf.

Michael
Message: Posted by: wally (Dec 9, 2014 04:38AM)
I have the chris powers coins thru silk on dvd.
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (Dec 9, 2014 02:07PM)
Wally, which dvd?
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Dec 9, 2014 10:40PM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2014, David Fillary wrote:
Wally, which dvd? [/quote]

David:

Chris Power's "Coins Thru Silk" performance and explanation is on a old, quite rare video from 1999 called "Laid Back Too".

Doug
Message: Posted by: warren (Dec 12, 2014 03:15PM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2014, wally wrote:
I have the chris powers coins thru silk on dvd. [/quote]

Where did you get the DVD and is it called laid back too ie its the original version transferred to DVD ?
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Dec 14, 2014 09:56PM)
Warren:

I'm not exactly sure if this is exactly what you're asking but, the title of the original video with Power's "Coins Thru Silk" routine on it, along with several other routines is, "Laid Back Too." I know because I have it. Hope this helps clarify things.

Doug
Message: Posted by: Jerry (May 19, 2019 09:55PM)
What publication or video for Al's Osmosis, I would like to learn this routine.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (May 20, 2019 12:14AM)
I know it ia in his book "Al Schneider Magic".

Jim
Message: Posted by: dj (May 20, 2019 09:41AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2019, Jerry wrote:
What publication or video for Al's Osmosis, I would like to learn this routine.
Thanks. [/quote]


http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S10807

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16276
Message: Posted by: Jerry (May 20, 2019 02:07PM)
Thank you both J-Mac and DJ.