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Topic: Another Example Of Why I Stopped Listening To Radio After 1999
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Apr 14, 2013 02:08PM)
Justin Bieber visited the Anne Frank House while in Amsterdam for a concert. His entry in the guest book is:

"Truly inspiring to be able to come here. Anne was a great girl. Hopefully she would have been a belieber.’”
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/14/showbiz/bieber-anne-frank/index.html

Is it the money, the parents, the educational system... or am I just old?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Apr 14, 2013 02:11PM)
Nope Steve. It's the "time we live in".

Doug
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 14, 2013 02:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-14 15:08, stempleton wrote:
Justin Bieber visited the Anne Frank House while in Amsterdam for a concert. His entry in the guest book is:

"Truly inspiring to be able to come here. Anne was a great girl. Hopefully she would have been a belieber.’”
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/14/showbiz/bieber-anne-frank/index.html

Is it the money, the parents, the educational system... or am I just old?
[/quote]

I think it might be a function of the radio stations you used to listen to. Not having ever listened to one that would play Justin Bieber, reading something this obnoxious wouldn't change my habits.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 14, 2013 02:20PM)
Any publicity is good publicity. I think the museum recognizes that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/justin-bieber-hopes-anne-frank-fan-article-1.1316316

Bieber toured the Anne Frank House with his friends and security detail for about an hour while his fans and others waited outside, said Maatje Mostart, a museum spokeswoman.

“He was very interested in (Anne Frank’s) story,” Mostart told the Daily News on Sunday. “It’s great that he’s been here, and we hope a lot of his fans will want to read about Anne Frank ... We really think that it’s great that a 19-year-old person wants to know who Anne Frank was and know more about her.”

Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, is willing to cut the Canadian crooner some slack.

“If you read Anne Frank’s diary, she was into celebrities, she was into pop culture,” Foxman said. “So for (Bieber) to say he would have hoped that she would have been a fan, it’s a nice thing.”
Message: Posted by: irossall (Apr 16, 2013 05:43AM)
“If you read Anne Frank’s diary, she was into celebrities, she was into pop culture,” Foxman said. “So for (Bieber) to say he would have hoped that she would have been a fan, it’s a nice thing.”

Anne Frank was very much into Clark Gable.

A visit to Anne Franks house should be high on anyone's list of places to see before you die.
I have never been in such a small space (downstairs museum) with so many people and you could almost hear a pin drop. Very sobering experience.
Anyone who believe's the Holocaust never happened needs to pay a visit to this house. Might make a them think twice.
In the early 70's Anne Frank's Father (Otto Frank) was giving the tours.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 16, 2013 06:19AM)
Anne Frank was truly inspirational... :ohyes:

Why couldn't she have been a Belieber? She was of that age group that his female fans are, what's the problem?

It's just liking pop songs right? It's not like he said she would like Scientology.

Or are you saying there is something sinister about Justin Bieber's songs that Anne Frank would not be right, or it would be insulting to her memory, to like them?

I don't really like Bieber's songs but I don't think they're wrong or sinister.

So... What's the problem?

Add to that...

[quote]
On 2013-04-16 06:43, irossall wrote:

“If you read Anne Frank’s diary, she was into celebrities, she was into pop culture,” Foxman said. “So for (Bieber) to say he would have hoped that she would have been a fan, it’s a nice thing.”

Anne Frank was very much into Clark Gable.

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 16, 2013 06:54AM)
I feel sorry for people who have to listen to crap music. I listen to adult alternative music, and the only PBS adult alternative music radio station in the country is in Philadelphia. The unwashed masses have to listen to top 40, easy listening, or music from the 80's. I would never move away because the only real music is on Satellite (pay radio) or WXPN in Philadelphia.
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 16, 2013 07:01AM)
Yes Al, it's hard to find great radio stations anymore.

As for Bieber, I'd say Clueless in Amsterdam. When I visited the Anne Frank house, I was totally moved. Couldn't image giving myself a plug. Like I said "Clueless".
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 16, 2013 07:01AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 07:54, Al Angello wrote:
I feel sorry for people who have to listen to crap music. I listen to adult alternative music, and the only PBS adult alternative music radio station in the country is in Philadelphia. The unwashed masses have to listen to top 40, easy listening, or music from the 80's. I would never move away because the only real music is on Satellite (pay radio) or WXPN in Philadelphia.
[/quote]

I feel sorry because you cannot appreciate all types of different music in the world.

Not all of "everything else" is necessarily bad. :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 16, 2013 07:02AM)
Justin Bieber = music for little girls. I won't have squeaky clean crap like this in my house. Starting to feel sick thinking about it! :)
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 16, 2013 07:05AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 08:02, Russell Davidson wrote:
Justin Bieber = music for little girls. I won't have squeaky clean crap like this in my house. Starting to feel sick thinking about it! :)
[/quote]

Anne Frank was a girl of most of his fan's age. :ohyes:

Thus his hope she was a Belieber.

But sure, to each his own. ;)
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Apr 16, 2013 07:25AM)
Pakar,

As a musician I do appreciate virtually every GENRE of music, but, my friend, that doesn't mean I should appreciate every performer. I love The Beatles, I love Black Sabbath. I am not a fan of The Stones (they rode the Beatles' coat tails) and I REALLY loathe the "music" of AC/DC and Ted Nugent.

Give me Rachmaninov anyday, but John Cage, not so much even though I appreciate his genius.

The music industry has become so pre-packaged and plasticized. While Bieber and Gaga are raking in millions because of gimmicks, artists like Dream Theater - all Julliard and Berkeley grads - are still relatively unknown compared to the dead meat wearing Gaga anfd the all in one boy band Bieber.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 16, 2013 07:34AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 08:25, Vlad_77 wrote:
Pakar,

As a musician I do appreciate virtually every GENRE of music, but, my friend, that doesn't mean I should appreciate every performer. I love The Beatles, I love Black Sabbath. I am not a fan of The Stones (they rode the Beatles' coat tails) and I REALLY loathe the "music" of AC/DC and Ted Nugent.

Give me Rachmaninov anyday, but John Cage, not so much even though I appreciate his genius.

The music industry has become so pre-packaged and plasticized. While Bieber and Gaga are raking in millions because of gimmicks, artists like Dream Theater - all Julliard and Berkeley grads - are still relatively unknown compared to the dead meat wearing Gaga anfd the all in one boy band Bieber.

Namaste,
Vlad
[/quote]

Sure, but success or worth surely is not measured by popularity or monetary gains, right?

Some like Bieber, some don't.

If you don't like anything, up to you, but don't dismiss it just because it belongs to any "type" of music is all I'm saying.

Have a listen, even to Malaysian Cultural Music even, and if you don't like it, fine. ;)
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Apr 16, 2013 11:35AM)
The incredible stupidity of his comments were in the making of Ann Frank's house all about him.

The bigger the ego the emptier the brain.

She would not have been a 'belieber', as he wasn't born then, and she would be 84 by now.
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 16, 2013 02:24PM)
Exactly. This has nothing to do with wether you like Bieber's music or not, but a total lack of respect for what went on during that period.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 16, 2013 02:37PM)
Yeah, but the Nazis had cool uniforms. I'll bet Anne would have been turned on by it, had Justin been wearing one.
Message: Posted by: PaulPacific (Apr 16, 2013 02:55PM)
The spokesperson for the museum was not offended by the comment. The quote went something like, "Think about it... He took time to come and visit the museum.. He's 19.. His comment was innocent."
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 16, 2013 04:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 08:25, Vlad_77 wrote:
Pakar,

As a musician I do appreciate virtually every GENRE of music, but, my friend, that doesn't mean I should appreciate every performer. I love The Beatles, I love Black Sabbath. I am not a fan of The Stones (they rode the Beatles' coat tails) and I REALLY loathe the "music" of AC/DC and Ted Nugent.

Give me Rachmaninov anyday, but John Cage, not so much even though I appreciate his genius.

The music industry has become so pre-packaged and plasticized. While Bieber and Gaga are raking in millions because of gimmicks, artists like Dream Theater - all Julliard and Berkeley grads - are still relatively unknown compared to the dead meat wearing Gaga anfd the all in one boy band Bieber.

Namaste,
Vlad
[/quote]

Most of the Dream Theater guys are Berklee dropouts, actually. Great band, but for progressive metal, I'll take Fates Warning or Queensryche.
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 16, 2013 05:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 15:37, landmark wrote:
Yeah, but the Nazis had cool uniforms. I'll bet Anne would have been turned on by it, had Justin been wearing one.
[/quote] There's no accounting for bad taste, whether from pop stars or Café members.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 16, 2013 07:00PM)
Sarcasm, re cluelessness.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Apr 16, 2013 07:36PM)
There must not be much going on in the news today if this is what grown men are arguing about.....lol. I second what the museum director stated.
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 16, 2013 07:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 20:00, landmark wrote:
Sarcasm, re cluelessness.
[/quote]Really Landmark, is that what it is or just your need to get attention?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 16, 2013 08:13PM)
I, like all of us here, wouldn't be posting if I didn't want attention. But my point was to exaggerate (barely) Bieber's cluelessness for those who didn't understand how self-serving it was.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Apr 17, 2013 12:15AM)
I've been to the museum (1982) and in my opinion, Bieber is a primped and pampered child star, oblivious and ignorant of the world around him and expecting special treatment because of his star status; a couple of generations removed from the horrors that Anne Frank and her countrymen countrywomen, and much of the rest of the world at that time were faced with.

I had a close Dutch friend, now gone to his grave, who at the age of thirteen was forced at gunpoint to watch in terror as the Nazis publicly executed citizens in Amsterdam for the civilians that they were, whom the Nazis suspected/found guilty of sympathizing with or protecting Jews. I found the belieber comment self serving, immature, offensive and I'm angered by it; and I'm not a Jew.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 17, 2013 12:39AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 21:13, landmark wrote:
I, like all of us here, wouldn't be posting if I didn't want attention. But my point was to exaggerate (barely) Bieber's cluelessness for those who didn't understand how self-serving it was.
[/quote]

Of all of the casualties of the internet, I miss irony the most.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 17, 2013 11:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 15:55, PaulPacific wrote:
The spokesperson for the museum was not offended by the comment. The quote went something like, "Think about it... He took time to come and visit the museum.. He's 19.. His comment was innocent."
[/quote]

:ohyes:
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 17, 2013 11:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 20:36, w_s_anderson wrote:
There must not be much going on in the news today if this is what grown men are arguing about.....lol. I second what the museum director stated.
[/quote]

I second your second. ;)
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Apr 17, 2013 12:24PM)
[quote]On 2013-04-16 06:43, irossall wrote:
A visit to Anne Franks house should be high on anyone's list of places to see [b][i]before you die[/i][/b].[/quote]
That would definitely be the better time to do it.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 17, 2013 01:06PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 13:24, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On 2013-04-16 06:43, irossall wrote:
A visit to Anne Franks house should be high on anyone's list of places to see [b][i]before you die[/i][/b].[/quote]
That would definitely be the better time to do it.
[/quote]

:ohyes:
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 17, 2013 09:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 01:39, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 21:13, landmark wrote:
I, like all of us here, wouldn't be posting if I didn't want attention. But my point was to exaggerate (barely) Bieber's cluelessness for those who didn't understand how self-serving it was.
[/quote]

Of all of the casualties of the internet, I miss irony the most.
[/quote]How about that young guy who committed suicide, do you miss him to?
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 17, 2013 09:30PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 12:48, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 15:55, PaulPacific wrote:
The spokesperson for the museum was not offended by the comment. The quote went something like, "Think about it... He took time to come and visit the museum.. He's 19.. His comment was innocent."
[/quote]

:ohyes:
[/quote]And that some how makes it right Pakar. It's like the blind leading the blind.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 17, 2013 10:02PM)
Forget about all that other baloney, and get back on topic.

I'm a big music fan, and I wish someone besides me was interested in talking about some new releases that all the crappy music stations are not playing. Music that you can only hear on satellite or a few select NPR radio stations. New releases from heritage and new artists that will be nominated for next years grammys.

Who here has heard the new Bowie album?
How about the new Dawes album?
Willie Nelson has a new double CD of old favorites?
Has anyone heard the new Mavericks album?
Has anyone besides me heard that new release from Steve Martin & Eddie Brickell it's off their new album together?
Bobby Long's new album is a real knock out too
The Rolling Stones will be playing at the Wells Fargo center in June my God.
It doesn't get any better than this.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 17, 2013 10:34PM)
Queensryche tomorrow night, and Iron Maiden went on sale last week...it doesn't get any better than this!
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 17, 2013 10:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 22:28, motown wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 01:39, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 21:13, landmark wrote:
I, like all of us here, wouldn't be posting if I didn't want attention. But my point was to exaggerate (barely) Bieber's cluelessness for those who didn't understand how self-serving it was.
[/quote]

Of all of the casualties of the internet, I miss irony the most.
[/quote]How about that young guy who committed suicide, do you miss him to?
[/quote]

Didn't know him; from what I've heard, that's my loss. But I wouldn't call him a casualty of the internet, either.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 17, 2013 10:52PM)
The good old days sucked. If you are not tuned to today's new music you only have yourself to blame. I have tickets to two shows at a nearby small music venue next month.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 17, 2013 11:50PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsyRAPU8g0
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 18, 2013 12:06AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 08:25, Vlad_77 wrote:
Pakar,

As a musician I do appreciate virtually every GENRE of music, but, my friend, that doesn't mean I should appreciate every performer. I love The Beatles, I love Black Sabbath. I am not a fan of The Stones (they rode the Beatles' coat tails) and I REALLY loathe the "music" of AC/DC and Ted Nugent.

Give me Rachmaninov anyday, but John Cage, not so much even though I appreciate his genius.

The music industry has become so pre-packaged and plasticized. While Bieber and Gaga are raking in millions because of gimmicks, artists like Dream Theater - all Julliard and Berkeley grads - are still relatively unknown compared to the dead meat wearing Gaga anfd the all in one boy band Bieber.

Namaste,
Vlad
[/quote]

:applause: :applause: :applause:
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 18, 2013 12:58AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 22:28, motown wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 01:39, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 21:13, landmark wrote:
I, like all of us here, wouldn't be posting if I didn't want attention. But my point was to exaggerate (barely) Bieber's cluelessness for those who didn't understand how self-serving it was.
[/quote]

Of all of the casualties of the internet, I miss irony the most.
[/quote]How about that young guy who committed suicide, do you miss him to?
[/quote]

Didn't know him; from what I've heard, that's my loss. But I wouldn't call him a casualty of the internet, either.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 07:09AM)
Who heard the new "Iron and wine" album.
Dose anybody else here know that Bobby Long will be streaming a live on line concert Friday at noon eastern time.
Has anyone heard of "Little green cars" from Dublin. You turkeys may hear about them NEXT YEAR
The "Milk carton kids" will be doing a interview and mini concert live on Monday April 22 at 2:00 pm eastern.

Come on people get up to speed.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 18, 2013 07:24AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 08:09, Al Angello wrote:
Who heard the new "Iron and wine" album.
Dose anybody else here know that Bobby Long will be streaming a live on line concert Friday at noon eastern time.
Has anyone heard of "Little green cars" from Dublin. You turkeys may hear about them NEXT YEAR
The "Milk carton kids" will be doing a interview and mini concert live on Monday April 22 at 2:00 pm eastern.

Come on people get up to speed.
[/quote]

No thanks. New music largely blows. When you get older you'll feel the same way :)
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 07:31AM)
Russell
I hope I never get so old that I become an old fart like you.

BTW
I'm nearly 68 years old, collecting social security, I danced on American Bandstand in 1962, and life is too short for me to associate with a dud like you. LOL
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 18, 2013 07:36AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 08:31, Al Angello wrote:
Russell
I hope I never get so old that I become an old fart like you.

BTW
I'm nearly 68 years old, collecting social security, I danced on American Bandstand in 1962, and life is too short for me to associate with a dud like you. LOL
[/quote]

Suprised you've lived that long with comments like that. Good for you for being the oldest swinger in town :)
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 07:53AM)
No No No
My friend every concert that I go to has a mixed audience of all ages. The problem here as I see it is you gave up, you threw in your towel, and you poo poo those of us who keep on rocken. I feel sorry for you old timer.

Just for the record I am not a swinger. I am a grand pop who takes his grand children to concerts to share with them my love for music.

It the words of David Bromberg

"don't let the glasses fool you,
stand beside me when you measure my size"

Has anyone else here heard David Wax Museum's music? We have tickets to see them on May 8th and the age of the audience at that show will be from 20 to 80.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 18, 2013 08:30AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 22:30, motown wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 12:48, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 15:55, PaulPacific wrote:
The spokesperson for the museum was not offended by the comment. The quote went something like, "Think about it... He took time to come and visit the museum.. He's 19.. His comment was innocent."
[/quote]

:ohyes:
[/quote]And that some how makes it right Pakar. It's like the blind leading the blind.
[/quote]

In this case it kinda does, as the spokeperson speaks on behalf of the Memorial.

They're officially not offended, nor am I, if you are... That's your right.

But the people directly affected are not.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 18, 2013 08:31AM)
Hate to tell you Al but the way you see it is wrong. Just because I dislike the majority of new music does not mean I'm a 'dud' or an 'old fart' as you so kindly put it. I have been playing guitar & been in bands for 30 years & I don't think I'm quite ready to 'give up' just yet.

The new music I avoid is chart garbage that is bought mainly by teenagers. If you enjoy that then fair play to you although many would question your taste at aged 68!Appreciation of music is personal preference of course but just because you like it & others don't it doesn't mean none of us are 'up to speed'. More that we couldn't give a flying !@#$.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 18, 2013 08:37AM)
And just because you don't like it, doesn't make it "garbage". ;)
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 08:42AM)
Russell
The radio station that I listen to streams on the internet 24/7, it is commercial free, and you don't have to listen to teenage music if you don't want to. Just remember when you put down R&R music in front of me I come out swinging.

There must be 20 small and large music venues in my area where young musicians from all over the world come to be discovered.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 08:48AM)
Pakar
When music stinks it usually stinks for most discriminating ears.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 18, 2013 08:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 09:48, Al Angello wrote:
Pakar
When music stinks it usually stinks for most discriminating ears.
[/quote]

Discriminating? Those who discrimate right?

I agree actually...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 18, 2013 09:31AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 08:53, Al Angello wrote:

It the words of David Bromberg

"don't let the glasses fool you,
stand beside me when you measure my size"

Has anyone else here heard David Wax Museum's music? We have tickets to see them on May 8th and the age of the audience at that show will be from 20 to 80.
[/quote]
IIRC David Bromberg is a pretty short guy. That adds extra humor to the lines quoted.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 18, 2013 09:38AM)
When I met him I thought he was an average size guy. I always find myself quoting the best song writers.

I remember about 15 years ago when David Bromberg's performance at the Philadelphia Folk festival was cancelled because David and his band drank too much, smoked too much, and kissed too many pretty girls. David and his band went home early that year.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 18, 2013 10:57AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 09:37, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
And just because you don't like it, doesn't make it "garbage". ;)
[/quote]

Right! It's not garbage because he doesn't like it....he doesn't like it because it's garbage.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 19, 2013 03:49AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 09:42, Al Angello wrote:
Just remember when you put down R&R music in front of me I come out swinging.

[/quote]

Sorry Al. But I don't count Beiber to be rock & roll! True rockers are drunk, high or dead :)
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 19, 2013 07:44AM)
Russell
Just where did I say that I even know what the hell that young boy sings about?

If you tune into http://www.WXPN.org today at noon eastern time you will hear a live concert from Bobby Long an venerable English folk singer.

I am trying my best to be nice to you Russell because you are a guest in our country, but I haven't heard a top 40 song in about 40 years.

I am a music snob, not a music slob.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 22, 2013 05:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 08:44, Al Angello wrote:
Russell
Just where did I say that I even know what the hell that young boy sings about?

If you tune into http://www.WXPN.org today at noon eastern time you will hear a live concert from Bobby Long an venerable English folk singer.

I am trying my best to be nice to you Russell because you are a guest in our country, but I haven't heard a top 40 song in about 40 years.

I am a music snob, not a music slob.
[/quote]

That young boy was the original topic of this thread Al.

And a guest in your country? Erm, no, I'm posting on a forum, nothing to do with your country.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Apr 22, 2013 02:25PM)
They will have been somone else's words. Come up with purely to get press time. He's just the marionette having his strings pulled to do what 'they' whant him to do! Hay ho another few millions in their pocket!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 22, 2013 03:25PM)
Dave_matkin
Thanks for the PM. I'm so glad someone here takes my words seriously.