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Topic: Censorship and films on TV
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Apr 24, 2013 06:07AM)
Hi all,

I want to open this post by stating that I am not slamming America the country in which I was born and raised. I miss it - especially baseball. Now having said that, I think that the FCC needs to get its act together and at least become part of the latter years of the TWENTIETH century.

How many times on American television have you seen GoodFellas, Casino, and The Godfather trilogy aired. Have you noticed how heavily edited they are? GoodFellas and even more notably Casino are known for their liberal use of profanity - in fact Casino holds the record for it. These movies portray a subculture in which these words are part and parcel of everyday parlance and yet the FCC insists on overdubbing f&%^&&%% with "flippin'." I grew up around mobsters and believe me, NONE of them used the word flippin'. Watch Casino sometime and you will howl at these killers saying this child's word. Here in The Netherlands, when they air these movies, they are uncut and there is no censoring/overdubbing of the script. The government here has a much better solution: movies with profanity and explicit sexual content are not allowed to be aired before 9 PM. The government recognizes that adults can make informed decisions about what to watch and places safeguards in place such that explicit movies are shown late in the evening when the ankle biters are asleep.

The Dutch are absolutely amused to death by the puritanical attitude of the FCC. They literally laugh out loud at all of the beeping out of profanity.

If the FCC really wants to do something meaningful, it should crack down on video piracy which is doing FAR more harm than Joe Pesci's rather colorful lexicon in Casino.

What say you?

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 24, 2013 07:02AM)
Wow,you should come see my country's censorship in movies.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Apr 24, 2013 07:22AM)
The Moral Majority, who I believe are in the minority, would just get all up in arms...so I say "Flip it!".
Message: Posted by: Payne (Apr 24, 2013 09:28AM)
The Dutch can only laugh at us because they were wise enough to kick all of the Puitian loons out of their country centuries ago. Unfotunately they came here. Which is why we suffer censorship at the hands of their decendants. Who are a small minority of very vocal"do-gooders" keep inflicting thier antiquated view of the world on the rest of the population by making complaints to the FCC evrytime they see something they deem questionable on broadcast TV.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 24, 2013 09:58AM)
I believe in Censorship and that in that regard we should turn the clock back a hundred years.
Message: Posted by: motown (Apr 24, 2013 10:09AM)
Personally, I've always been more concerned about the way films are rated and the control the ratings board wields over them.
Message: Posted by: Woland (Apr 24, 2013 10:13AM)
I hear what you're saying, Vlad, but with the gradual coarsening of our culture over the past 50 - 100 years, particularly with the exaltation of lumpenproletarian role models, I think that a case could be made for keeping the public airwaves PG rated.

We've gone from Duke Ellington to misogynistic, racist, profanity in "rap," from films like "The Third Man" and "Casablanca" to mindless chase-explosion-grisly murder [i]guignol[/i], from Hemingway and Faulkner to comic books.

If the current trajectory of our culture proceeds, the majority of people will become ignorant illiterates who are numbed to passivity by games they play on their smartphones. A small minority (to whom Stendhal addressed his novels, even back then, as "the happy few") may remain.

All in all, [i]Brave New World[/i] was far more prescient than [i]1984[/i].
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Apr 24, 2013 10:19AM)
One thing the networks do is edit films so they can slap a TV-14 rating on them. If "Goodfellas" were not as heavily edited, it would have to have a TV-MA rating which would cut its audience dramatically.

I personally wish more shows would get TV-MA ratings, because I don't think they're good for teenagers for a number of reasons.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Apr 24, 2013 10:22AM)
I have heard songs on the radio that were not only edited for profanity, but also for any derogatory slang, gay references (Dire Straights' Money For Nothing, as example), and for drug references (Nickelback's Rock Star, as example).

My son listens to rap, and I find some of the lyrics to be particularly offensive, especially when played in mixed company. In that regard, I feel it is an encroachment on the rights of others, and embarrassing. But, I also have to think that my generation's music was probably equally offensive to someone else.

Everyone has their threshold to Puitanism set to a different and personal level. The shame is when like minds organize and scream loudly. I find that particularly offensive, too... especially when I don't agree with them. ;)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 24, 2013 10:46AM)
I enjoy movies very much. My wife and I go to the movies nearly once a week. But I almost NEVER watch movies on network TV. I'll either rent them or watch them on HBO. The commercials bother me much more than the editing. Despite Payne's rant, I don't think the FCC controls movies that are shown on airplanes and yet they are probably more heavily edited than those shown on TV which I would assume they do to keep a large part of their customers happy.
Message: Posted by: irossall (Apr 24, 2013 01:16PM)
I find it funny that the word screw is ok in place of a particular "F" word, even in the same context. I never will understand.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 24, 2013 05:46PM)
Hey look! It's even OK here! Screw! ****!

Do you also find it funny that fornicate, make love, fool around, get laid, etc. are ok?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 24, 2013 07:42PM)
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On 2013-04-24 18:46, rockwall wrote:
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Do you also find it funny that fornicate, make love, fool around, get laid, etc. are ok?
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not so funny as queer. then again some don't distinguish right, correct and true.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 24, 2013 09:00PM)
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On 2013-04-24 14:16, irossall wrote:
I find it funny that the word screw is ok in place of a particular "F" word, even in the same context. I never will understand.
Iven :patty:
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Actually I saw "The Man With The Golden Gun" on television a while ago. In the film, James Bond escapes from a death trap and is being chased by a few bad guys. He gets into an outboard boat, starts up the engine and holds the bad guys at bay with the spinning prop quipping; "Anyone want a Chinese screw?" That line got cut out of the television showing so I guess the context matters.

(Also, I think there was a Chinese girl in a swimming pool early in the film who introduced herself a "Chew Me." That line got cut as well.)
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Apr 24, 2013 09:22PM)
Reminds me, I pulled out the anime "Trigun" and popped it into the player to show my son. I had completely forgotten that ADV films added curse words into the translation just to make it more "edgy". :( Luckily I didn't say anything and I think the words went over his head without him noticing... I hope. If his preschool teacher says anything I'll catch hell from my wife. Profanity for the sake of profanity is pointless and annoying. They had to go and ruin a good anime with a naughty translation. Oh well. He didn't care for it, so I won't be showing him the rest of them anyway.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 24, 2013 09:32PM)
Yes Bond was good role model for the highly successful man, being a psychopathic character who kills without remorse and has sex ever ten minutes "Shaken, not stirred." Bond and Play Boy eh just what the doctor ordered.
Message: Posted by: Daryl -the other brother (Apr 25, 2013 09:14AM)
I have to grin whenever Tom Petty's song "You don't know how it feels" plays on the radio. "let me get to the point, lets roll another j****."
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 26, 2013 02:17PM)
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On 2013-04-24 22:32, tommy wrote:
Yes Bond was good role model for the highly successful man, being a psychopathic character who kills without remorse and has sex ever ten minutes "Shaken, not stirred." Bond and Play Boy eh just what the doctor ordered.
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Bond was certainly never meant to be a ''role model.'' He's a fantasy character same as any number of ''action characters'' from the 80's and 90's none of whome I would want anybody trying to emulate.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 26, 2013 02:19PM)
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On 2013-04-24 20:42, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
some don't distinguish right, correct and true.
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Or other synonyms!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 27, 2013 11:18AM)
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On 2013-04-24 22:22, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Reminds me, I pulled out the anime "Trigun" and popped it into the player to show my son. I had completely forgotten that ADV films added curse words into the translation just to make it more "edgy". :( Luckily I didn't say anything and I think the words went over his head without him noticing... I hope. If his preschool teacher says anything I'll catch hell from my wife. Profanity for the sake of profanity is pointless and annoying. They had to go and ruin a good anime with a naughty translation. Oh well. He didn't care for it, so I won't be showing him the rest of them anyway.
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I remember getting a copy of "Project A-ko." (Sort version, super-powered girl and rich minx fight over the affections of a cute little girl who turns out to be the princess of a race of alien women... really!) When A-ko gets up late for school, she rips off her pajamas and is completely naked! This has nothing to do with the story and is obviously just for shock value! (Although there is a bath sequence where B-ko contemplates stealing C-ko from A-ko.)
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 27, 2013 01:21PM)
Ahh.. Hentai. ;)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 27, 2013 02:05PM)
Bond was certainly meant to be a role a model as are all the stars we are given to follow. In the fashion business you are fashioned. Monkey see monkey do.