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Topic: Dice Stacking - is there a point to it ?
Message: Posted by: Mr_Nutkins (Dec 2, 2003 05:59PM)
Hi,
Recently I learnt to stack dice... but now what?
It just seems like juggling!
Oooh look... I can stack 5, now 6 , now 7...and look the top one is a different colour.. so!
Any ideas to make it entertaining?
Cheers,
Tel
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 2, 2003 06:34PM)
Making it entertaining is up to you. Sure it is juggling and juggling usually goes over better than a lot of magic.

Have some "misses" and when you FINALLY make it you get more reactions.

Lots of action and lots of other things you can do with dice.
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Message: Posted by: KirkG (Dec 2, 2003 07:20PM)
Make the dice vanish one at a time from the stack under the cup. Change the color of the dice. Actually once you stack them, the resultant stacks diminish in importance unless you make them look more dificult or more interesting. How to do that is what makes a performer.

Kirk
Message: Posted by: Kingry (Dec 2, 2003 08:42PM)
It's all about the final load.
Message: Posted by: Steven Steele (Dec 2, 2003 10:51PM)
I read of a routine years ago where the magician stacked dice with each hand. He had red dice under one cup and white dice under the other cup. He lined the dice up and each time he stacked them and lifted the cups, a die would change places with one in the other cup. He would do this until the two colors changed places entirely.

The routine is found in a pamphlet entitled "Dice Dexterity" by Audley Walsh. It has some pretty good stuff in it in addition. You might also want to check out Ed Marlo's "Shoot the Works", but I can't really remember what was in it...good routines are rare in this field.

Hope this helps you out.

Steven
Message: Posted by: Paul Sherman (Dec 2, 2003 11:13PM)
There's also a neat looking routine in Paul Gertner's "Steel and Silver" in which the dice are stacked and then begin to penetrate through the cup. Might be worth checking out (there's other excellent items in the book as well).

Paul
Message: Posted by: Mr_Nutkins (Dec 3, 2003 05:34PM)
Thanks for the advice
Cheers,
Tel
Message: Posted by: Hawky (Dec 3, 2003 05:49PM)
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On 2003-12-02 22:12, Pete Biro wrote:
Two loads?
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Never Say DIE
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Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Dec 3, 2003 06:14PM)
"Dice Dexterity" Got it and still spill em all over.

Isn't it "Live and let DIE"
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 3, 2003 07:31PM)
I personally consider dice stacking in and of itself to be juggling versus magic, but as others have said, magic can be added. Del Ray had a great dice stacking routine where a lot of magic happened, including naming the number that would be showing on the top die of the stack before he lifted the cup, and making all of the dice vanish. Del Ray's other non-stack-related work with dice was incredible as well.

Larry D.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Dec 4, 2003 06:08PM)
I was going to mention that John Mendoza would name
the number on the top die of the stack as did Del Ray thanks to Larry D's post.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 4, 2003 08:47PM)
Maybe if your are dropping dice you should practice in a bathtub? :clownjuggling:
Message: Posted by: martyk (Dec 5, 2003 12:28AM)
Tough to make it entertaining. Barry Govan had a routine where they change places with coins in a purse, I believe. If you don't mind sharing the spotlight; end by teaching each member to do it. They won't but--talk about audience participation, getting ten minutes for nothing, really having fun, getting down from the throne of the magician who can do it but you can't. MartyK
Message: Posted by: C Christian (Dec 5, 2003 01:14AM)
A great friend of mine who will kill me if I put his name down had an audience completly shocked with laughter just by balancing a ball on his finger. how did he do it? With the 3 P's...
Personality
Personality
Personality
It helps the he is a funny guy!
Piece of advise for you make a list of all reasons why you would have this rope with you, for example:
1. To hang myself
2. To hang my wife
3. because I was a boy scout and I never got my knott badge(or ribbon )
once you get a good list going see what you can use and see if you can write some good jokes or comments that will keep the audience interested.
Let me know how it goes!!
Cheers Chris
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 5, 2003 09:57AM)
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On 2003-12-04 21:47, Pete Biro wrote:
Maybe if your are dropping dice you should practice in a bathtub? :clownjuggling:
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Reminds me of my infancy...craps in a bathtub.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 5, 2003 11:09AM)
And drowning your rubber duckie? :coolspot:
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 5, 2003 01:53PM)
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Message: Posted by: Randy (Dec 5, 2003 03:50PM)
I don't present dice stacking as juggling. I talk about a dice game I was playing where you had to shake the dice in the overturned cup. I never could win because I could not read the spots on the dice (because they were stacked up on each other). I go on from there. Some of the audience may see it as juggling but I don't say anything to give them this idea. Some of the audience will see it as magic. Either way they are entertained by the presentation.
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One tip - don't raise the cup off the table while doing the stacking. The audience will almost automatically see it as a juggling exhibition if you do.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 5, 2003 06:27PM)
When you do color changes, loads, vanishes and number prediction it is not just juggling.

Today at lunch at the Magic Caslte a magician from the Netherlands (I didn't write his name down and can't remember it-senior moments keep winning)... but his act included about 70=percent dice stacking.

He stared with one cup and four dice, worked his way up to a long tubular cup (made from a cardboard tube?) and stacked a world record 20 dice tall stack.

It was very interesting, he was good, but did not really present it as magic, more a stunt, but it played well.
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Message: Posted by: cataquet (Dec 5, 2003 06:28PM)
I basically present dice stacking as per John Mendoza's routine - where you finish with a jumbo pair of dice under a cup - but I do add a few more bits (eg, saying "Watch" and then stacking the dice on my wristwatch).

However, I have to disagree with Randy. Lifting the cup off the table is one of THE most important things to do. You need to convince the audience that you aren't just holding the four dice in the cup (or in your hand against the cup) as you pick them up.
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 6, 2003 08:20AM)
An old and interesting die stacking routine involves the use of an empty Brut Deordorant container as the die stacking cup, and ends with you placing the four dice in the container, pushing in the bottom part that you'd normally push in to make the deodorant emerge, and turning the four dice into one jumbo die by the use of "brute" force. I believe it's a Roy Johnson routine that was published in the 70's...anyone know where it can be found?

Larry D.
Message: Posted by: Randy (Dec 6, 2003 09:39AM)
If you can control the dice to stay in the cup while you lift the cup from the table, it is not a huge leap for the audience to also assume that you can control them to stack. That is not magic. That is juggling.
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Dec 6, 2003 11:49AM)
I had never thought about the idea of not lifting the cup. I know that I never do it myself, but a friend of mine likes to do it. He does present it as a knack or juggling not a trick.

Now that I have thought about it, I agree. Do not lift the cup.

Kirk
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 6, 2003 12:38PM)
Vanishing the dice with the "slide toss" will fool people badly.

I like to have a spare die palmed and as I bring the cup to a stop let the palmed die, staying hidden, drop from palm to table and they HEAR a die fall, but when you lift the cup they are all stacked.

In all the years I have stacked dice, unfortunately, I just can't get the bit where you pick them off a stack one at a time down with any consistency (so I don't do it).

Here's another bit. I load in a mini coke bottle and when I lift the cup the dice are stacked and the bottle is alongside the dice.

If you think about it there are DOZENS of things magical that you can add to the juggling of dice with a cup.

Mike Rogers made a dice stacking cup for me that has a "chop cup" feature.

I also ring in gaffed dice, mis-spots, magnetic, etc. when I want to do a full dice act.

THINK

PRACTICE

PERFORM

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Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Dec 6, 2003 05:09PM)
Stacking dice with a little coke?

that's not health!!!
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Dec 6, 2003 11:06PM)
I just don't see it as entertaining unless you do the kind of moves that Pete is talking about. Dice stacking like the guy does on the travel channel is just plain boring and goes well with balancing a barstool on your chin. Unless your adding magic to it don't be surprised if your specs start talking to each other or fall asleep.

BTW I don't always spill em, all the time. :lol:
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 7, 2003 01:12PM)
However... it is all in the person doing anything whether it is putting folks to sleep or not... :bunny:
Message: Posted by: markyeager (Dec 10, 2003 01:08AM)
John Mendoza'a Routine is great. The size changes and smashing the dice flat are great. His idea with the pair of Jumbo dice, I also like.
Don Alan's Routine which he performed on the Magic Palace. The dice would spin on the table, while he played the kazoo. He also had a really neat penetration using a mason jar.
When he was at FFFF, I was with him when he bought dice at George's( A Casino Store in Buffalo,NY). He asked the owners to take the sharp edge off all the corners of the dice. I asked him why. He told me that this was so the dice would stack easy on a table with a tablecloth. Great Thinking!
Message: Posted by: Erik Anderson (Dec 10, 2003 11:50AM)
Dice stacking is like any other magic (or juggling) routine. Done badly it's painful, but done with flair and wit, it can be highly entertaining.

The question is not "Is dice stacking entertaining?" Rather, the question should be "Can YOU be entertaining with dice stacking?" For that matter, can you be entertaining without dice stacking? The responsibility is always with the performer.

I'm still searching for the approach that will make dice stacking work with my performance style. I'm getting closer I think.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 12, 2003 12:31AM)
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On 2003-12-05 19:27, Pete Biro wrote:
When you do color changes, loads, vanishes and number prediction it is not just juggling.

Today at lunch at the Magic Caslte a magician from the Netherlands (I didn't write his name down and can't remember it-senior moments keep winning)... but his act included about 70=percent dice stacking.

He stared with one cup and four dice, worked his way up to a long tubular cup (made from a cardboard tube?) and stacked a world record 20 dice tall stack.

It was very interesting, he was good, but did not really present it as magic, more a stunt, but it played well.
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Didn't Jim Zachary do a stack of about 20 dice back in the 1980's? Seems that I recall a book called "Zach Stacks."


Maybe Pete will recall this incident, and clear up a question for me.

I heard a story about an English magician who was appearing at the Castle several years ago. He did a dice stacking routine as part of his act. This fellow had a talent for getting up your nostril (as they say across the pond.) He was also quite nearsighted.

One afternoon, some of the fellows from the castle took him over to Hollywood Magic, and the subject of dice stacking came up. The question was raised as to how the dice behaved inside the cup during the stacking sequence. He didn't know, so one of the fellow suggested that perhaps he try it with a drinking glass.

He said he thought he could do it, so they brought out a glass and some dice, he set them up, went through the stacking sequence, and the DICE HAD DISAPPEARED!!!

So they got some more dice, set them up and the same thing happened. They had given him a bottomless glass.

Now my question is this (to Pete). Have you heard this story before? Is it true? Was the fellow who I think it was ( initials BB? )
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 12, 2003 11:18AM)
Sorry, never heard that story... BUT... Pat Page nailed me badly at Davenport's.

We were stacking the dice on the countertop... at one point I just COULD NOT GET THEM TO STACK.... it was driving me nuts.

Pat had loaded a handkerchief into the cup and I didn't notice it...

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Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 14, 2003 01:36AM)
That's pretty funny!

I think I'd load a sponge ball into his cup for that.
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Dec 14, 2003 07:55PM)
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On 2003-12-06 09:20, Larry Davidson wrote:
An old and interesting die stacking routine involves the use of an empty Brut Deordorant container as the die stacking cup, and ends with you placing the four dice in the container, pushing in the bottom part that you'd normally push in to make the deodorant emerge, and turning the four dice into one jumbo die by the use of "brute" force. I believe it's a Roy Johnson routine that was published in the 70's...anyone know where it can be found?

Larry D.
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Larry, It was in Rick Jonsson's column in Linking Ring and it had to be around 1977 - 1979. Titled the "No-Sweat, Brut Force Dice Stack" or somesuch.

A VERY clever routine, IMPO.

Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
http://www.leedarrow.com
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 14, 2003 08:13PM)
Lee, thanks for posting the reference. :thumbsup:

Larry D.
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Dec 15, 2003 08:47AM)
My friend, Tony Griffiths (UK), had a great bit for dice stacking that was published in one of his Genii columns.

He showed 4 LEGO squares (4 dots on top). He explained that this is how he got started as a youngster. He then scooped up the pieces with his dice cup. When he lifted the cup up, the four pieces are stacked ON EDGE!!!!!!!

This is just like using half dice. I really like this! Hope you stackers will give it a try.

Regards,

Paul Green :die:
Message: Posted by: Erik Anderson (Dec 15, 2003 11:14AM)
There is a DVD called "Extreme Dice Stacking" that has some very good stuff on it.

One of the most interesting is stacking "mini" dice under a Chapstick.

Fun stuff.
Message: Posted by: djlarazza (Jan 8, 2004 02:49AM)
Dear all,

How long does it take to learn dice stacking? I would love to learn.

Which video do you think is better?
Jim Zachery's Art of dice stacking or
Extreme dice stacking with Gerry.

Hopefully get to hear from you guys soon.

Thanks
Ben
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 8, 2004 11:58AM)
Some learn it in a few hours... of course the touches, etc., can take longer.

It is a KNACK... you either get it or you don't almost immediately.

Start practicing on the floor. Be carefull the cup doesn't scratch or mark the linoleum... get a piece of formica to learn on.
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Message: Posted by: djlarazza (Jan 8, 2004 07:42PM)
Getting my Todd strong cup in 2 weeks time. Its gonna be shipped.

But who do you feel is a good teacher in this field?
Cause I think Im gonna get the Jim Zac Vid first, then I'll proceeed to the Extreme dice stacking with Gerry.

Loved Ivory connection. Tinking of following that up with a dice stacking routine.

Ben :cuteangel:
My first Stack
Heehee
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Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Jan 8, 2004 09:12PM)
Dice stacking is a demonstration of skill and in fact is juggling, and a very entertaining display of juggling for the average audience member.

I believe it has the same place in a close-up routine as does an occasional card fan or flourish type cut, coin roll or other feats of skill. If it fits the routine and your character, go for it, if not leave it out.

I will give you my secret for learning the dice stack. It is the method I have used to teach others. It seems to work quickly at teaching the "knack" Pete so aptly describes.

I teach it backwards! Stack the dice by hand on your hard smooth working surface ( I love Formica or wood veneer table tops) and place the cup mouth down over it. Now practice shaking the cup in the approved swinging arc as described in numerous books and videos, and coming to a full stop WITHOUT upsetting the stack.

This seems easier to master than starting with the pick up and ending with the stop, and once mastered, the beginning is relatively easy. I've taught the stack to maybe twenty people and they all got it within an hour or so using this technique. I almost hate to give it up but what the hey, we're all friends here at the Café. :)

Frank
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 8, 2004 10:38PM)
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On 2003-12-03 19:14, KingStardog wrote:
"Dice Dexterity" Got it and still spill em all over.

Isn't it "Live and let DIE"
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Sounds like you have the dice but not the dexterity. ;)
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jan 9, 2004 10:16AM)
Agreeing with Mr. Tougas-

We should not be concerned about the pristine magic-only presentations, the audience doesn't really know or care which is which.

From backstage, the only difference between a magician and a juggler is that our juggling is hidden from the audience, and a juggler's juggling is shown to them. From frontstage,to become a magician, we need to be proficient in many areas and fields, and with many disciplines and skills.

Learning a bit of juggling would fit in with learning a bit of Vent work, a bit of science, a bit of this or that, all the subjects magicians study. I think showing a bit of these alternate skills to an audience is interesting to most people and flies well IF you don't insult their intelligence and claim Magic Powers for juggling feats. IMHO.

Stack away!
Message: Posted by: juan (Jan 9, 2004 11:18AM)
I saw routine of dice stacking performed by Pepe Carrol, a great Spanish magician (he passed away last monday).It´s pure magic.

In the beginning just dice stacking, after stack one pile with each hand, one of white dice other with red, then one red changes place with one white.
A cork travel from his hand to the middle of the stack under the cup.
It happens a lot of productions under the cups : little glasses with scotch, bigger die, mini scotch bottle.
Very, very good.

Juan
Message: Posted by: sebastian (Jan 9, 2004 10:18PM)
Senator Crandall (who was not really a senator) had a pamphlet or two about dice stacking that could possibly be floating around in magic shops somewhere. Although I never saw him perform I understand he was a very colorful personality. Also, a past senator from West Virginia named Walt Rollins (who I think really was a senator) once did a lecture in which he stacked four lumps of coal using a Campbell's Pork and Beans can. :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Jan 10, 2004 12:29PM)
Clark "The Senator" Crandall, was a very well known magician with a delightfully gruff sense of humor. One of the real colorful characters of magic.

You are right, though he is gone now, his booklet lives on and is titled "How to Stack Dice for Fun and No $" He wrote and illustrated it himself and is a wonderful piece of magic to have.
Message: Posted by: djlarazza (Jan 12, 2004 07:40PM)
But who do you think is better, Gerry, Todd Strong or Jim Zac?

I mean in terms of thier routine, style and teaching.

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Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jan 13, 2004 06:59AM)
The issues mentioned above; juggling, personality, surprise and routining are what make the thing work for an audience.

The juggling feat is itself not much more than an open demonstration of skill.

I cut up my yatzee (sp) set to make my first cylinder for another trick.

Somehow the basic look of the trick just cries out for a pick-em-up -> reveal stack -> topple as one item all glued together moment.
Message: Posted by: Rafael Benatar (Jan 13, 2004 12:38PM)
A great routine that makes a lot of sense is Camilo's, which earned him first prize at FISM in Paris, in 1973. He leads you into it by making you believe that 2 die stack accidentally, as if such a thing didn't exist. He'll be performing it during Spanish week at the Magic Castle Feb 9-15.
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Jan 14, 2004 08:51PM)
Gary Ouellet has a chapter in his book Close up Illusions and on the companion videotape (available from the Camirand Academy). Definitely worth reviewing since Ouellet was a master of performance, entertainment and communication.

Zack's tape is an excellent teaching tool as well.

It's also possible that Mike Rogers might have included this in one of his tapes, but I'm not certain. If anyone knows the answer to this, please send me the source. In any event, Mike was a wonderful coach in all areas of magic and securing his works is worth the effort and expense. As was mentioned in this thread, Mike sold a great leather cup (gaffed and ungaffed) Formica board, and razor sharp die. Although I have one complete set, I would appreciate knowing if Mike's product line for dice stacking is still available on the market and if so, what are the contact points?

Both Mike and Gary are sorely missed.
Message: Posted by: Magic.J.Manuel (Feb 21, 2004 05:41PM)
Like most good entertaining routines you need a start, a middle, and finale. I agree that just stacking dice a few time is just juggling, but like when Dennis Loomis does juggling in his Micro Chop Cup routine it adds a change of pace and excitement.
I like to start dice stacking with the rolling dice game mentioned above, where dice that happen to land on top of another don't count, going for low score. After the spectator rolls a high score I put the dice in the cup and shake out one or two dice stacked. Then build by saying the professional dice players have developed the skill to get the lowest score possible, a one. And they will not even stop to grab the dice by hand just picking them up directly with the cup. Build more by picking up two at a time, then all four in one sweep,( and two shakes). If you can you can wind up by picking one at a time off the stack leading to your final load(s). I also add bits of business like Pete said. I haven't gone to color changes, or a glued stack, because my routine is long enough and the fewer props the better, but they are great enhancements for the routine.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Feb 21, 2004 06:56PM)
I remember that I was chosen to assist Mike Rogers in his stacking routine. Every time he stacked he made a deal out of lifting the cup. Well he stacked again and told me to lift the cup off, but to be careful. Of course I knew I'd knock them over and look like an idiot. But there were no dice under the cup. It was interesting to hear the “Ooohhhs” from the audience.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Feb 21, 2004 11:27PM)
Rafael: Camillo's dice stack routine (at the Castle) was awesome. He made it the most magical of any I have ever seen.

He certainly had the gang buzzing with his great presentation and especially his signed card in bottle of whisky. Fooled all the experts (and me too)!! :)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Feb 22, 2004 12:36AM)
I found the stacking to come quite easily and I learned from the Todd Strong video.

Once you learn it, however, then they start not stacking for some reason.
That's when the practice comes in.

I also think it's also easier with a smaller diameter cup. I just had 2.5" cups created for exactly that reason (easy to stack with) and you can see what I came up with here:
[url]http://www.theambitiouscard.com/[/url]

Frank
Message: Posted by: KirkG (Feb 22, 2004 03:31PM)
So where did you get the idea to make the 2.5 inch cups? Have you tried the 2.75 cups?

Kirk
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Feb 23, 2004 01:06PM)
I like the slightly conical cups (I got a few from Italy that are really classy looking--and chopped too).

You don't need straight-sided cups to stack.

Now if I could just get rid of the arthritic wrist pain.

I used to do all kinds of crazy productions, little bottles, dice glued together, spinning dice, even a stack of about 40 nickels.


Posted: Feb 23, 2004 2:08pm
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Make a little paper tube to hold a stack of dice. Put a magnet at the top. Load it in alongside the dice you are stacking.

When you lift the cup you will have two stacks of dice showing. The tube stays in the cup.

You can also glue a stack of marbles together.


Posted: Feb 23, 2004 2:09pm
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Anyone that doesn't think there are MAGICAL things you can do with a dice stacking routine has NOT thought about this at all. :donut2:
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Feb 23, 2004 01:48PM)
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On 2004-02-22 16:31, KirkG wrote:
So where did you get the idea to make the 2.5 inch cups? Have you tried the 2.75 cups?

Kirk
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I wanted to make a 2.5" cup because it's a popular size. Nothing yet on the 2.75" cup.

I have been wondering about the conical cup for dice stacking. Glad to know it's doable.
Message: Posted by: Randy Sager (Feb 23, 2004 01:51PM)
Bill Your story about the bottomless glass and the initials BB sounds about right. I think it is whom you are asking about. I had heard part of the story before but not the bottomless glass part.
From what I know of and about BB it has to be him.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Feb 26, 2004 11:45AM)
As mentioned before Paul Gertner's routines are great.
Jackie McClements from Scotland does a routine where he misses one of the dice. He picks it up off the floor and causes it to vanish. It then vanishes and is found under the cup, stacked with all the others!
owen
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Feb 26, 2004 12:33PM)
Ok, ok, here is one of the great bits. Have an extra die palmed. You do the stack and let the die in your hand drop from palm to the table surface. The audience HEARS a die drop, figuring you blew the stack. But when you lift the cup all four are stacked.

Send cash for use of this idea to me please. :kermit:
Message: Posted by: Flec (Mar 2, 2004 03:51AM)
Paul zennon did a nice dice stacking routine. forgive me if this has already been stated.

think he stackls 6 dice? however many, it doesn't matter, he fills the cup. as everyone is usually amazied with this piece of skill, it is a great piece of misdirection. as everyone is applauding, wow-ing, laughing, screaming, woteva they do, load a much LARGER dice into the cup. then say "what amazes me is how that happens, when <clunk> that is in there."

they will be blown away. don't have to load larger dice, works just as well with sponges, I saw a chap do it with a small field mouse?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 2, 2004 12:16PM)
If you train the mice to stand on each others shoulders it makes a great stack.
Message: Posted by: Erik Anderson (Mar 2, 2004 02:57PM)
"Mice" stacking Pete?

You really think you could get them to do that after scooping them up and rattling them about a cup like that?

But why stop there? How about stacking...

Long water-grown food grains...or

Small parasitic insects taken from a child volunteer's scalp...or

Cubes of frozen water...or

Table mounted screw clamps (or for the mentalists out there, bad habits)...or

Any of these three times.

Sorry Pete. You opened this door. I (and my utter lack of self-control) ran headlong through it.

I feel MUCH better now!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 3, 2004 12:11PM)
You could get three mini Barbi Dolls... and string a bungee cord up throught them and load 'em under the cup... then, when you lift the cup, let the cord do its work and you would have what looks like "Three cheerleaders standing on each other's shoulders."

One of the great things (SERIOUSLY) about the dice cup and stacking, is the potential of loads. Everything from a jumbo die, to a glued stack, little liquor bottle, stack of coins... whatever your imagination can dream up that fits your theme (if you have one) or you skill (if you have any)!!! :kermit:
Message: Posted by: cataquet (Mar 3, 2004 12:33PM)
Oddly enough, Pete, I found (in a charity shop) a stack of four monkeys that fit perfectly in my dice cup. I say that I have four monkeys in the cup that stack the dice. They move when the cup is shaken, but stay perfectly still when I stop. I then lift the cup and show four monkeys in the process of stacking dice. "Oops. I stopped too soon" I say and use the misdirection to load the second stack. I then lift it again to show the four monkeys with the dice properly stacked.

Bye for now

Harold