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Topic: Dick Christian's Lecture Notes?
Message: Posted by: vigi (Jul 2, 2013 04:43AM)
Hi,
I was looking for Dick Christian's Lecture Notes about book tests on the Café and I know he was selling them by himself.

Does anybody know how can I get a copy of them?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Art Vanderlay (Jul 2, 2013 04:50AM)
I would imagine it will be hard to get a copy of said lecture notes since Mr Christian is no longer with us :(

At this current moment he is sat in the clouds fuming about the latest book test, he still gets just a grumpy in Heaven!

Miss you Dick.

Cheers,
Art.
Message: Posted by: vigi (Jul 2, 2013 05:12AM)
This is a very sad news...

Anybody wants to sell a copy?
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Jul 2, 2013 06:23AM)
Alas, the inside cover of the book includes copyright information, a bold curse on anyone who obtains the notes without payment, and in bold capitals, the words [b]NOT FOR RESALE[/b]. So technically, to respect Mr Christian's wishes, nobody should be on-selling, sorry.

HOWEVER... if you are after a specific piece of information (or two) from the notes, I might be able to help.
Message: Posted by: cafeinst (Jul 2, 2013 06:53AM)
I still have his lecture notes from a course he taught at the Smithsonean in Washington DC in the early 1980's on magic. Really great stuff he taught, although most of it not on mentalism. But he did teach a simple but amazing book test. I think that is when he started getting into mentalism, as I remember him talking with admiration about Kreskin.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 2, 2013 01:54PM)
It's a shame this is no longer available. I obtained my copy shortly before Mr. Christian's death and I treasure it. Maybe a publisher/vendor could cut a deal with the estate?
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Jul 2, 2013 04:01PM)
A couple of years ago, I bought a set of his lecture notes from Dick. They are excellent.

I'd encourage their re-publication AND the completion of the larger work he was (I have heard) nearly finished with on book tests and forcing books.

Does anyone know Dick's family?

George
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 2, 2013 07:29PM)
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On 2013-07-02 17:01, George Hunter wrote:
I'd encourage their re-publication AND the completion of the larger work he was (I have heard) nearly finished with on book tests and forcing books.
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I concur.

The following additional topics were to be covered in his "Encyclopedia of Forcing Books & Book Tests:"

-Tests using imp******* dev****
-Tests using other gimmicks
-Telephone Book tests
-Secretly prepared book tests
-Circled word book tests
-"Multi-Layered" book tests
-Binary book tests
-Book tests using images
-"Wordless" book tests
-Other unusual book tests
-Magazine tests
-Newspaper and want ad tests
-"Puzzle" tests
-Word tests
-Book tests as predictions
-"Ins**** St****" book tests

What greater tribute to Mr. Christian could there be than someone taking the baton and finishing what he started? We can only hope his family saved his notes and early drafts.
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Jul 2, 2013 08:43PM)
M. G:

Thanks for filling in those blanks. Having read the list several times, it strikes me that Dick's lecture notes MAY have been essentially complete sections of his planned expansion, with the other topics to be added.

If this is anywhere near the case, the re-publication of the lecture notes would be an enduring contribution--with, say, your list as an indication of additional topics that someone else could research and delineate.

George
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 2, 2013 09:09PM)
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On 2013-07-02 21:43, George Hunter wrote:
M. G:

Thanks for filling in those blanks. Having read the list several times, it strikes me that Dick's lecture notes MAY have been essentially complete sections of his planned expansion, with the other topics to be added.

If this is anywhere near the case, the re-publication of the lecture notes would be an enduring contribution--with, say, your list as an indication of additional topics that someone else could research and delineate.

George
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I just want to make it clear that this is not [i]my[/i] list but is, in fact, Mr. Christian's own list as it appears in the lecture notes. He prefaces it by saying:

"Other categories of tests that time and space preclude covering in detail in the lecture and these notes, but that will be covered in the [b]Encyclopedia[/b] as well as possible subsequent lectures and notes include:"
Message: Posted by: vigi (Jul 3, 2013 03:56AM)
Thank you for your contribution to this topic, Mind Guerrilla!

:)
Message: Posted by: mrmysticmike (Jul 3, 2013 07:22AM)
You can use the Café search function to get a lot of Mr. Christian's ideas
and his insight on many topics.
Message: Posted by: Chris Philpott (Jul 3, 2013 12:34PM)
These notes are a great resource for anyone putting out a book test to get your credits right.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 3, 2013 01:18PM)
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On 2013-07-03 04:56, vigi wrote:
Thank you for your contribution to this topic, Mind Guerrilla!

:)
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My pleasure! We're all in this thing together, right? :)

fwiw Here are sources Mr. Christian listed in the bibliography of his lecture notes:


"F*rc*** Books and Book Tests" in [b]Classic Magic Supplement, Volume VIII[/b] by Dr. Robert Albo

[b]Mainly Mental, Volume 2, Book Tests[/b] by C.L. Boarde aka Warren Schoonamker

"A Brief History of Book Tests" article by Max Maven from [b]MagicSeen[/b] magazine, November 2006

[b]Word Work[/b] vols. 1 & 2 by Alain Nu

Pages 189-228 in [b]Paralies[/b] by Joshua Quinn
Message: Posted by: vigi (Jul 3, 2013 01:42PM)
VERY GOOD!

Made my day, Mind Guerrilla! ;)
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Jul 3, 2013 09:27PM)
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On 2013-07-03 14:42, vigi wrote:
VERY GOOD!

Made my day, Mind Guerrilla! ;)
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I aims ta please. ;)
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Dec 16, 2016 03:12PM)
I can't imagine that Dick Christian would be happy with the fact that his knowledge would not proliferate any further. I'm in desperate need of his lecture notes...
Message: Posted by: B.W. McCarron (Sep 8, 2018 05:26PM)
I, too, would like a set of the notes, but I'm likely out of luck. :(

A workaround would be to start an online wiki devoted to this topic.
I'll seed such a collection with a dealer item that probably wasn't included in Dick's notes:

"The Only Good Apple Book Test" (C) 1988 Magic World Publishers (Olympia, WA USA). Forced 1 of 3 words. Hardback book supplied was "The Only Good Apple … in a barrel of spies." Hence the name of the effect. I sold this at magic conventions and by mail order.
Message: Posted by: B.W. McCarron (Sep 8, 2018 05:35PM)
Another online resource (338 entries currently) is this:
https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/category/2140
Message: Posted by: B.W. McCarron (Sep 8, 2018 05:36PM)
See this related thread:
http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=15&topic=632138#0