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Topic: Sanz the Ventriloquist
Message: Posted by: marshalldoll (Jul 16, 2013 09:02AM)
Today on the Ventriloquist Central Blog we have posted a wonderful film done in 1918 of Sanz. If you like McElroy figures you have to watch this. The certainly were not the first to do great sculpting and mechanics for ventriloquist figures.
http://ow.ly/n0nCD
Dan
http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Jul 16, 2013 10:03AM)
Wow, some awesome works there in those figures and automatons,
It be cool if someone who has the ability (which I don't) could download the video and edit it with subtitles translating the spanish, or just translating it and listing it here what each text frame says.
Anyway, thanks for posting, definitely cool stuff, I know I'll be watching it again to watch all those figures a little closer.
Message: Posted by: Aussie (Jul 16, 2013 01:04PM)
Those were amazing! People questioned Bergan when he went to radio fancy being a ventriloquist in the silent film era :)
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Jul 16, 2013 02:05PM)
Actually, that would probably be easier than the radio, on the radio, you don't have to worry about lip control, but you still have o maintain your switching between character voices, in silent movies, you wouldn't have to worry about lip control or doing the character voices at all, just moving the figure's mouth, no one would know if you weren't actually saying anything.
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 17, 2013 02:27AM)
Well. obviously, not all early figures had disproportional heads.
I wonder if some of these figures have survived!

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Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 17, 2013 03:07AM)
Where did Senor Wences get Pedro, his head in a box dummy?
From Sanz!

http://ventriloquistsanz.wordpress.com/
Check out the above link!

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Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 17, 2013 03:53AM)
To answer my own question ...

Some of the figures now reside at the Puppet Museum d'Albaida in Spain.
(I don't know how many. Anybody planning a trip to Spain?)

One other link for you (this one is in Spanish):
http://ivac.gva.es/efg1914/index.php/la-participacion-del-ivac/sanz-y-el-secreto-de-su-arte/


Francisco Sanz (1872-1939) was a famous ventriloquist Valencia who triumphed on stages around the world in the early decades of the twentieth century with his show of ventriloquism. He used life-sized puppets, really lifelike automatons animated by complex mechanisms inside he designed himself, currently preserved at the International Puppet Museum d'Albaida. In 1918 he decided to make a documentary that showed his technique carefully to be displayed in addition to his stage performances. This called Maximiliano Thous (1875-1947), journalist and playwright, who began his career in film those years. The result was certainly unusual film, both the topic and coexistence between documentary and fiction, offering a first part in a feature on the show Sanz and operation of automata and ends with a fictional story interpreted by the dolls mixed with real people.

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Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 19, 2013 07:31AM)
Sanz's Don Liborio:

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Message: Posted by: marshalldoll (Jul 24, 2013 06:53AM)
Check out the blog today on http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com for another great tidbit about Sanz.
http://ventriloquistcentralblog.com/about-senor-wences-and-francisco-sanz/#more-6093
Dan
http://www.ventriloquistcentral.com
Message: Posted by: Aussie (Jul 24, 2013 03:00PM)
It fascinating what you've uncovered here Dan. So the story that due to an unfortunate accident with a vent figure Wences created and became famous with his "head in a box" routine isn't that accurate after all. To begin with Francisco Sanz was doing that routine long before Señor Wences became a professional ventriloquist and then Sanz gave his original head in the box to Wences once he did start performing. Interesting.
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 24, 2013 03:32PM)
A talking head goes back to the late 19th century,
but Sanz seems to be the first to put it in a box.

The talking hand (also used by Senor Wences) goes back
to the 18th century. Wences older brother, Felipe Moreno,
taught that to Wences. Moreno was a popular vent in Spain.

Only 4 of the Sanz figures are displayed in the puppet museum in Spain.
Sanz, though, made 18 figures in total.
Obviously, one went to Wences.
Where are the other 13 figures?

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Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 25, 2013 09:17PM)
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On 2013-07-24 16:00, Aussie wrote:
... due to an unfortunate accident with a vent figure Wences created and became famous with his "head in a box" routine isn't that accurate after all. To begin with Francisco Sanz was doing that routine long before Senor Wences became a professional ventriloquist and then Sanz gave his original head in the box to Wences once he did start performing. Interesting.
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Not quite accurate!
Sanz gave a full figure (not a head in the box) to Wences,
but an accident did occur leaving Wences with just the head made by Sanz.

The big mystery is this:
what happened to the Wences/Sanz head and why did Wences replace it?

Incidentally, there is a book published on Sanz,
but it is written in Spanish.
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 25, 2013 09:24PM)
2 boxed heads

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Message: Posted by: Miguel Abril (Jul 28, 2013 04:09AM)
I'm spanish! Where is that book? I'd be happy to check out the story behind and tell you what happened!
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 28, 2013 05:15AM)
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On 2013-07-28 05:09, Miguel Abril wrote:
I'm spanish! Where is that book? ... [/quote]

The title of the book is ...
El mejor ventrílocuo del mundo: Paco Sanz en los teatros madrileños (1906-1935)

It was written by Ignacio Ramos Altamira.

The book is available at Amazon UK & ABE book sellers, among others.

I am getting a copy, but my study of Spanish in high school is more than 40 years old.
I am more than a bit rusty.

I know someone who is considering translating the book,
but that will not be any time soon.

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Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 28, 2013 05:20AM)
Oops! Accent marks and tildes don't seem to appear properly.


The title of the book is ...

El mejor ventrilocuo del mundo: Paco Sanz en los teatros madrilenos (1906-1935)

or

El mejor ventrilocuo del mundo: Paco Sanz en los teatros de Madrid


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Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Jul 28, 2013 04:51PM)
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On 2013-07-28 06:15, Fonsy wrote:
I know someone who is considering translating the book,
but that will not be any time soon.
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I wish there were an english printing, I'd be interested in reading it myself.
Message: Posted by: Fonsy (Jul 29, 2013 01:35AM)
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On 2013-07-28 17:51, Dickens & Dave wrote:
I wish there were an english printing, ...
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I will be sure to post a message if I hear of any further developments
regarding a translation.

I find Sanz's work so fascinating that I am tempted to try a translation myself
-- but it would take me years (and many bottles of aspirin).