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Topic: Memorizing Aronson - need help
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Sep 4, 2013 05:13AM)
Hi all!
I'm at the 26th card in the stack but I'm starting to get stuck. I do a mix between simple associations and rote memory memorization.
Are there any apps (android) that can help me? I am currently using cards 1-26 with the corresponding number and quizzing myself throughout the day. I have them in my shirt pocket and moving them over to the other side pocket when testing.

I've searched the forum but I haven't found andy fresh info on stack training. http://huruey.webs.com/ is great (thank you!) but won't run on my phone.
How did YOU memorize your deck?

Any help is greatly appreciated.. I'm scheduled to do a surgery on both my elbows this friday so I'd like to have as many card memorized as possible in my head to practice while my arms are "out of order":)
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Sep 4, 2013 06:03AM)
Put in on a DVD or MP3 if you can't move your arms.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Sep 4, 2013 07:00AM)
Thank you Waterloophai:)

In the meantime I have created a flashcard set on Cram.com that will work with the app Flashcard Deluxe on iPhone or Android. You can download it at http://www.cram.com/cards/aronson-stack-w-images-3397291

Please enjoy!
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Sep 4, 2013 07:01AM)
Get one of Harry Loraynes books and learn the stack mnemonically. That's how Aronson recommends it. Lorayne will teach you step by step. Once you have the foundation the actual memorization is easy and fast. It will, however, probably take about a month to learn it well enough for performance. The associations you're presently using may not be strong enough and Loraynes books will help you. Aronsons Bound To Please will also give you important tips.
Steve
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Sep 4, 2013 09:33AM)
I am also learning this stack. Started three days ago and can now remember 30 cards. Doing 10 each day

I don't use any system. Its really not that difficult
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 4, 2013 06:53PM)
Use Tamariz's advice on memorizing. I used some ideas to help me memorize the Aronson stack. I drew some ridiculous pictures on some cards to help me associate them with numbers. Different color markers to make the numbers. The more memorable you make the number on each card the better. Tamariz's suggests looking at each card for a few minutes before making up your mind on the design. It helped me tremendously.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Sep 5, 2013 02:51AM)
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On 2013-09-04 19:53, twistedace wrote:
Use Tamariz's advice on memorizing. I used some ideas to help me memorize the Aronson stack. I drew some ridiculous pictures on some cards to help me associate them with numbers. Different color markers to make the numbers. The more memorable you make the number on each card the better. Tamariz's suggests looking at each card for a few minutes before making up your mind on the design. It helped me tremendously.
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This sounds like a great idea but I'm afraid I don't quite understand;
- You draw ridiculous pictures on front or back of a playing card? Is the drawing related to the card at all?
- How do the number relate to the card?
- You draw the numbers with different colors? On face or back of the card?

Thank you all for you advices. Appreciated:)
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 5, 2013 04:21AM)
I drew on the faces of the card. I found that some I made pictures on to help me relate to the card better- my pictures were personal to me so it probably won't help you much. The numbers are drawn on the faces in different colors to help you associate the number with the value of the card quickly. I'll see if I can take some pictures of my practice deck today at some point.
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Sep 5, 2013 04:49PM)
Knew there would be the need to know a number is the new name of a card, so started there:
JS is ______ KC is _____ etc.
Took about an hour to get through the deck in order.

Then began reciting cards in NDO and corresponding deck number:
AH is ______ 2H is ______ 3H is _______ etc.
Did this for a day, roughly 5 hours total.

Then started with AC is ____ AH is____ AS is ______ AD is _____ then 2C is _____ 2H is _____etc.
Did this roughly 5 hours total.

In a week all cards are known by a new name, a number.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 6, 2013 09:44PM)
Use Loraynes method recommended by Aaronson. I had all 52 cards memorized forwards backwards and inside out in about 10 minutes.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 6, 2013 09:46PM)
If you're unfamiliar with the phonetic alphabet, stop everything and buy Loraynes, The Memory Book. It will change your life.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 7, 2013 03:59AM)
I also used the peg system in Lorayne's Super Power Memory book. I memorized Aronson a while back with this, forgot about it, then recently rememorized it using techniques from the Tamariz book. I liked thevTamariz methods better. However Lorayne's book is great too.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Sep 7, 2013 07:44AM)
Gee, thanks, twisted...
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 7, 2013 08:50AM)
Different methods for different people. I like your stuff, but for me the Tamariz methods worked better.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Sep 7, 2013 08:53AM)
I'm glad.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Sep 7, 2013 01:22PM)
Thank you all!
Loraynes method sounds right for me. What is the full title of his book and what is the best way to get it?
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 7, 2013 01:31PM)
The Memory Book.
Study it, learn it, master it, and the Aronson stack will be just the beginning.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 7, 2013 01:42PM)
The book I have is "How to Develop a Super Power Memory" and the peg system is taught beginning on page 48. He gives a complete system for memorizing cards and positions. It's really good stuff.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Sep 7, 2013 05:18PM)
Thank you!
Harry Lorayne: I see several books mentioned and recommended. What would be the best for me if my goal is to memorize Aronson stack (and improve memory in general)?
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Sep 7, 2013 05:33PM)
Hi: Go to my magic site, third one listed under this post, and click on Memory Books. My latest is AGELESS MEMORY, geared toward older people (like me), but cards are taught pretty thoroughly within. THE MEMORY BOOK also teaches card memory. Best - Harry L.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 7, 2013 09:00PM)
The biggest problem I had with most of the peg systems for cards--including Aronson's-- is that the mnemonic alphabet image for each card is based on the suit first, then the value of the card. That is, for the five of spades, for example, Aronson's peg word is SeaL. But this meant that I had to take the time when thinking five of spades to reverse it in my mind into spades, five, an extra step. On Scott Cram's site, I learned Bob Farmer's ingenious peg system for cards which uses words that are keyed first to the value and then the suit, a more natural order. Thus, the five of spades is FiSt.

I don't know if this is still on Scott's site, but he has always been very generous with his information for sincere learners. You might want to ask him if a search on his site doesn't turn up what I'm talking about.
Message: Posted by: greatsandini (Sep 16, 2013 01:41PM)
I used the mnemonic system to learn Aronson, and recommend it. Once you have the basic links down, the key is locking them in so you don't have to take any time to recall the number of the card or the card for the number. Flash cards are great, but I would also just drill in the card, starting with 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. and remembering what each card was, then doing the same for the cards. To mix it up I'd then do just the odd numbers, then just the even's, then the aces, twos, threes, etc. The mnemonic association is designed to allow you to make the initial relationship. Practice will eventually lead to the point where you won't remember the association and you'll just know that the 5 of spades is 20, etc.
Message: Posted by: plungerman (Oct 3, 2013 06:06PM)
I have been a fan of the memory peg system for many years. (Thanks, Mr. L! --mr. R, mr. G etc.) But when I finally got to the Aronson stack I found that the steps to get from the links to the card name were taking too long, Yes, I really had the pegs down.

I found that writing the number (Large) on each card it took me a week to memorize a handful each day. Now I review by counting from N to N + 26 or pulling up card names based on numbers seen anywhere.

As I often remind those with Aronson's books in it he states that the peg system is a tool that will eventually drop away leaving the number bonded with the card's name. Less to carry around. Just like Sandini, Great says.

Not performing much myself, the mem deck is often a method better than the effect. Like a custom made Lassen coin I'm often tempted to say, "Hey, ya gotta see this."