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Topic: THE HAUNTED DOLL - ROGUE AND SYSTEM 6
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 3, 2013 06:13PM)
Hey guys,

Were excited to share with you a new effect from System 6 Magic. This is a remake and overhall of the clasic voodoo doll, but its so good you have to read what people have said about this version!

"I hated this effect until I saw this version! LOVE IT!!! This effect is a very strong close up illusion, sadly one that is often overlooked and easily dismissed by most professionals. Rogue's design of the stick man will make those naysayers think twice. It is highly detailed, looks organic, and is of superior quality. If I owned a gun I'd put it to your head and make you buy two of them!"
- DAN SPERRY


You can check it out here and PRE-ORDER today!

http://www.system6magic.com/collections/tricks/products/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-and-system-6

Should be shipping in the next week or two.

-Six
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Oct 3, 2013 06:18PM)
Wow, that's looks awesome. And no IT? Looking forward to this.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Oct 3, 2013 06:39PM)
I just don't get the pre order thing, why not just put it out when its ready, these pre order things seem to be getting more and more prevalent, it seems like just a way to get your money in advance. The doll looks good, I am just against any pre order stuff. Maybe its just me ?
Message: Posted by: r99h (Oct 3, 2013 06:44PM)
I never pre-order, but I do like seeing what's due to be released in the next couple of weeks.

This effect does look very good indeed.

Rich
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 3, 2013 06:51PM)
Hey George, Devonte here, Im one of the magicians helping out behind the scenes on this release. So to answer your questions as I too hate teasers and pre-sales, The reason we are doing pre-sales is because all the dolls are hand made with extreme details. Meaning that only a certain amount will be made for the first batch in time for Halloween. Otherwise we might have been cutting the Release too close Halloween and might of not had enough time to package and ship :)


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On 2013-10-03 19:39, george1953 wrote:
I just don't get the pre order thing, why not just put it out when its ready, these pre order things seem to be getting more and more prevalent, it seems like just a way to get your money in advance. The doll looks good, I am just against any pre order stuff. Maybe its just me ?
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Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 3, 2013 06:59PM)
Six the demo doesn't work
vinny
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Oct 3, 2013 07:08PM)
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On 2013-10-03 19:59, vinsmagic wrote:
Six the demo doesn't work
vinny
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hey vinny, the video works perfect. perhaps you have to watch it
with a computer:)


oh btw: just ordered 2 pieces. looks fantastic, besides the fact that I usually completely agree with dan sperry. I hate this trick but this puppy looks awesome.

imo a steal. handmade every piece!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 3, 2013 07:15PM)
The problem ( IMHO ) that these 'dolls" never looked good. The doll in Rogue's video looks very spooky! Perfect for Halloween, but not limited to that time of the year ( just like the Haunted key ).

Nice work on the trailer showing the doll and the effect!
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 3, 2013 07:21PM)
Just pre-ordered. Looks fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 3, 2013 07:26PM)
I may have to pick this up. I've always been interested in this effect but never liked the straw figures.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Oct 3, 2013 09:33PM)
3X the cost of a straw one!? Whew.
Message: Posted by: Magic.Maddy (Oct 3, 2013 09:35PM)
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On 2013-10-03 22:33, the Sponge wrote:
3X the cost of a straw one!? Whew.
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You get what you pay for.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 3, 2013 09:40PM)
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On 2013-10-03 22:35, Magic.Maddy wrote:
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On 2013-10-03 22:33, the Sponge wrote:
3X the cost of a straw one!? Whew.
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You get what you pay for.
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Exactly, Magic.Maddy. I never cared for the cheap straw ones. The Rogue/System 6 doll looks the part of what you're selling to the audience.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 3, 2013 10:39PM)
I agree Zombie Magic...as I Wrote earlier...I've been helping to put this project together for over a year now, and I know that all the dolls will be hand made with incredible intricacy. Hate to say it as well but you get what you pay for "Just ask Joe Proper" but even so I know that they worked hard on keeping the cost down as much as possible. So my guess is that the reason why its not priced at $10. Is for the exact reason people stopped buying the $10 one. Make something cheap, and you'll get a cheap result, In my opinion the previous versions were flimsy, the straws came out and the secret gimmick" as one (Penguin magic reviewer said was "really doll too bulky and gimmick half the size of titanic." or as Dan Sperry Said "I hated this effect until I saw this version!.

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On 2013-10-03 22:40, Zombie Magic wrote:
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On 2013-10-03 22:35, Magic.Maddy wrote:
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On 2013-10-03 22:33, the Sponge wrote:
3X the cost of a straw one!? Whew.
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You get what you pay for.
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Exactly, Magic.Maddy. I never cared for the cheap straw ones. The Rogue/System 6 doll looks the part of what you're selling to the audience.
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Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Oct 4, 2013 12:27AM)
Just pre-ordered as well. Would not normally have been interested in this type of thing but I have to say, it looks pretty *** cool and creepy at the same time Looking forward to getting it.
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Oct 4, 2013 03:30AM)
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On 2013-10-03 19:59, vinsmagic wrote:
Six the demo doesn't work
vinny
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Yes it does.

User error.
Message: Posted by: Trekdad (Oct 4, 2013 05:44AM)
I absolutely hate pre-ordering, but this looks great and it's an effect I always use so I bit; the doll looks fantastic. Eagerly anticipating my Believe decks, too --
Message: Posted by: Rabid (Oct 4, 2013 08:20AM)
Six, one question before I hit order (cos' that looked freakishly cool...love the Blair Witch stick doll):

I'm not familiar with this effect so this may seem a dumb question to others, but does the doll have to be in ones hand? I have a Witches Box from Outlaw and the thought of this guy rising up from outta there makes my hair stand on end. Even if not, he'd add another level of cool as one of the objects I keep in it, so no worries either way.

Regards

Steph
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 4, 2013 08:26AM)
I've always liked my straw version but once my wife found out the method, she forbid me from doing it. Wuss. In any event, this version looks really nice. Is the gimmick safe enough to allow spectator to put this in his/her hand?
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 4, 2013 08:55AM)
Just ordered this.

Free shipping, if that matters to anyone. It matters to me!
Message: Posted by: Misophoniac (Oct 4, 2013 09:12AM)
How about wear and tear/durability? I really like how this looks, but I suspect the motion capability could degrade after repeated use.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 4, 2013 09:14AM)
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On 2013-10-04 09:26, emyers99 wrote:
I've always liked my straw version but once my wife found out the method, she forbid me from doing it. Wuss. In any event, this version looks really nice. Is the gimmick safe enough to allow spectator to put this in his/her hand?
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It was funny that in the demo video at one point one of the women spectators tried to grab the doll from his palm while it was still standing on his palm and he quickly moved his hand away.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Oct 4, 2013 09:51AM)
I think that is part of his presentation. It happens each time.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 10:01AM)
Hey Emyers99. So that's a Great point and actually one of the coolest things about the Upgrade is that for starters..Rogue teaches another cool little idea that doesn't involve your hand if your wife is afraid of you doing it the classic way. And secondly one of the coolest details is the the "gimmick is well made that it is practically invisible to the naked eye and there for unless the person know's exactly how it works, they can actually lay the doll in there hand and Nothing will happen. :)

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On 2013-10-04 09:26, emyers99 wrote:
I've always liked my straw version but once my wife found out the method, she forbid me from doing it. Wuss. In any event, this version looks really nice. Is the gimmick safe enough to allow spectator to put this in his/her hand?
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Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 10:05AM)
Misophoniac, I've known Rogue for over 15 years, He owns one of the coolest Magic Shops down in NY. And Ive seen him literally MASTER this trick and so when you the spectator reaches for it, it is because he actually tells them to do so. He gives some great Performance tips in the DVD on to why it's great to have them be involved and touch the doll vs trying to hide it

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On 2013-10-04 10:14, magicinsight wrote:
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On 2013-10-04 09:26, emyers99 wrote:
I've always liked my straw version but once my wife found out the method, she forbid me from doing it. Wuss. In any event, this version looks really nice. Is the gimmick safe enough to allow spectator to put this in his/her hand?
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It was funny that in the demo video at one point one of the women spectators tried to grab the doll from his palm while it was still standing on his palm and he quickly moved his hand away.
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Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 10:10AM)
Sorry last message was for MAGICINSIGHT LOL...Misophoniac, Yea great question about durability. All the dolls will be made out of a strong but very Light solid wood. Rogue literally keeps his in his wallet. The Dolls will be very resistant and durable both to falls and or liquids ect.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 4, 2013 10:43AM)
Looks interesting, would go great with Outlaw's WA & DS, ya the whole pre order thing can become tiresome as promises are only kept without pre knowledge of product delays for the creator,become out of they're control spiraling into product supply & shipping back ups. However I do & may go against my general rule of not to pre order also not to have product buyers remorse before reading a few reviews.......

My only question that maybe you Devontemagic could answer, is the gimmick something that would wear out after a lot of use & not replaceable ? I could see combining this with a few Witchcraft type effects I have & if I would be best to order 2 to cover future performances......?

All in all looks pretty cool not having seen the original straw version. I did get a chuckle when the girl went to pick it up out his hand & he pulled back,.....but the best was the girl at the end that seemed extra spooked by it & as he went towards her she jump & was like "NO thank you, I ain't touch'in that !!" & bolted off....LoL
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 11:09AM)
Hey Merlinsmagic

Well I guess there is only one way to tell if these dolls last and that's to do a test where someone literally performs the Haunted Doll several times a day/ for several years. Luckily we have this individual who HAS done just that, Rogue has been using the same doll for almost 5 years now. But this is for sure the type of trick you want to buy two of not because it might break or wear out but because you'll either have the second as back up in your parlor or close up kit, or simply because they are all custom made and may one day come off the market. Hope that Helped :)


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On 2013-10-04 11:43, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Looks interesting, would go great with Outlaw's WA & DS, ya the whole pre order thing can become tiresome as promises are only kept without pre knowledge of product delays for the creator,become out of they're control spiraling into product supply & shipping back ups. However I do & may go against my general rule of not to pre order also not to have product buyers remorse before reading a few reviews.......

My only question that maybe you Devontemagic could answer, is the gimmick something that would wear out after a lot of use & not replaceable ? I could see combining this with a few Witchcraft type effects I have & if I would be best to order 2 to cover future performances......?

All in all looks pretty cool not having seen the original straw version. I did get a chuckle when the girl went to pick it up out his hand & he pulled back,.....but the best was the girl at the end that seemed extra spooked by it & as he went towards her she jump & was like "NO thank you, I ain't touch'in that !!" & bolted off....LoL
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Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 4, 2013 11:29AM)
Completely answered & helped ! Thank you :) Nothing worse than finding out after that you get something that you get 10 performances before you have to replace item & not mentioned in ads....LoL

Having a second for those reasons sound good to me - what is it about witchcraft-ish items STILL freak people out,.....guess it's deep in our ancient id of things that bring or may have evil.......(Hwa-Haa-Haa)
Message: Posted by: Misophoniac (Oct 4, 2013 11:31AM)
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On 2013-10-04 11:10, Devontemagic wrote:
Sorry last message was for MAGICINSIGHT LOL...Misophoniac, Yea great question about durability. All the dolls will be made out of a strong but very Light solid wood. Rogue literally keeps his in his wallet. The Dolls will be very resistant and durable both to falls and or liquids ect.
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Cool, thanks for the info. :)

Edit- Your reply to Merlinsmagic was even more helpful. The little fellow has been battle tested.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 01:04PM)
YOU WELCOME. BUDDY....@ MISOPHONIAC
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Oct 4, 2013 04:34PM)
How many times has this been tested before a real audience?
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 4, 2013 05:36PM)
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On 2013-10-04 17:34, Danny Kazam wrote:
How many times has this been tested before a real audience?
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Well Rogue owns a magic shop, and performs it about 20 times a day, on a slow day. He also goes out promoting his store at night and performes it more then..he has been doing this for about 20 years..that's a lot of math lol

It really is his number one effect to perform, and I remember him showing me when I was 13, when he got me into magic. He is the reason I am where I am today!

I can almost guarantee there is not a single person who has done this effect more then him. Even Magick Balay, one of the most active demonstraters of magic, since Tannes was truly the empire that makes it name says, he has never seen it performed better.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Oct 4, 2013 06:25PM)
Thanks SIX!

That's great to hear. I didn't want to pre-order something that has never been tested in the real world, or only tested a few times.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 4, 2013 06:42PM)
Is Rogue the same as Rogue Magic shop on Queens Blvd. in RegoPark, N.Y? It is about 15 minutes from my house. Are there still shows on Thursday nights?

Michael
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 4, 2013 08:18PM)
MAGICINSIGHT....YEAP that's ROGUE /// MR ROGUE'S MAGIC AND FUNSHOP IN QUEENS NY
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 4, 2013 09:14PM)
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On 2013-10-04 21:18, Devontemagic wrote:
MAGICINSIGHT....YEAP that's ROGUE /// MR ROGUE'S MAGIC AND FUNSHOP IN QUEENS NY

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Great! I have to go there this weekend with the kids.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Oct 4, 2013 10:30PM)
Cool!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Oct 5, 2013 12:38AM)
This has inspired me to think of a way to do this with any playing card. After doing a card effect with any random card, particularly a court card, tear the card into the shape of a person and make it rise. I think this would make the effect even more powerful than any doll. It could be made to rise in a couple ways:

1. The age old haunted doll method
2. Gaeton Bloom's method

This could be pretty awesome!

KJ
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 5, 2013 01:32AM)
Having done the haunted key and the precursor to Rogue's Haunted Doll, I don't think tearing a card into a shape and doing the routine would be the same. Not saying it wouldn't be good, but the impact of using a dark and spooky figure wouldn't be the same.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 5, 2013 09:26AM)
@ 1kG I actually like your idea. :) would be really interesting to test it out, @ Zombie Magic...I think your right 1KG's idea of the card cut out might not have the same eerie spooky feel but I think all magic tricks has its place and time.
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Oct 5, 2013 12:23PM)
I found this on youtube

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnLE2i913o

Pretty cool
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 5, 2013 07:36PM)
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On 2013-10-05 13:23, Dollarbill wrote:
I found this on youtube

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnLE2i913o

Pretty cool
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Yep, Rogue has used this for years and has a few videos performing it, they are great resource for seeing more full/live performances.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 5, 2013 07:37PM)
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On 2013-10-04 19:42, magicinsight wrote:
Is Rogue the same as Rogue Magic shop on Queens Blvd. in RegoPark, N.Y? It is about 15 minutes from my house. Are there still shows on Thursday nights?

Michael
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Rogue was with Devonte at the screening of Devontes documentary in his life at the Woodstock film festival! I was there most of the day, did you make it by?

Next time send me a message and I will swing by and say hello!

Michael
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 6, 2013 09:26AM)
@ Dollarbill HHAHA YES that's our MAIN MAN...Rogue!!! HIS Haunted Doll has broken Pre-Sale records at System 6 Magic....Might be sold out before its official release :) who knows
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On 2013-10-05 13:23, Dollarbill wrote:
I found this on youtube

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUnLE2i913o

Pretty cool
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Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 6, 2013 11:26AM)
Just pre ordered before they run out of pre orders,....LoL looking forward to get this before Halloween & mixing with my other witchy type effects !!
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 6, 2013 11:42AM)
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On 2013-10-05 20:37, SIX wrote:
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On 2013-10-04 19:42, magicinsight wrote:
Is Rogue the same as Rogue Magic shop on Queens Blvd. in RegoPark, N.Y? It is about 15 minutes from my house. Are there still shows on Thursday nights?

Michael
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Rogue was with Devonte at the screening of Devontes documentary in his life at the Woodstock film festival! I was there most of the day, did you make it by?

Next time send me a message and I will swing by and say hello!

Michael
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That sounds like fun. I look forward t it.

Michael
Message: Posted by: johndamen (Oct 6, 2013 04:04PM)
Biggest issue for me is, how examinable in the doll? With the old straw version I once had a spec grab it and somewhat get 'harmed' by the doll's secrets (you guys know what I mean). ANY risk of harm to a spectator is a big 'no-no' for me (no matter HOW small it may be), so Ive haven't done this type of thing in quite some time. Is this any different for the price?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 6, 2013 05:17PM)
Hey Johnamen, So you bring up a very Valid Question. And I'm happy to say that one of the benefits of the details put into the entire doll is that you really need to know what the "secret" is to even see it. Thus they wont hurt themselves with this version. Lets just say I was aware of the old method when examining Rogue's haunted Doll and even I had a hard time seeing the gimmick let alone hurting myself. ;) Im sure you would be happy with this one

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On 2013-10-06 17:04, johndamen wrote:
Biggest issue for me is, how examinable in the doll? With the old straw version I once had a spec grab it and somewhat get 'harmed' by the doll's secrets (you guys know what I mean). ANY risk of harm to a spectator is a big 'no-no' for me (no matter HOW small it may be), so Ive haven't done this type of thing in quite some time. Is this any different for the price?
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Message: Posted by: Jeremie Leroi (Oct 9, 2013 08:04PM)
And I'm happy to say that one of the benefits of the details put into the entire doll is that you really need to know what the "secret" is to even see it. Thus they wont hurt themselves with this version. Lets just say I was aware of the old method when examining Rogue's haunted Doll and even I had a hard time seeing the gimmick let alone hurting myself. ;) Im sure you would be happy with this one

Well, I'm even more tempted now… Do you guys have a shipping date yet ?

J.
Message: Posted by: pslaughter (Oct 9, 2013 09:27PM)
I'm interested, but here is my question.

I've always liked this effect, but I've never been able to make it work. Plain and simple, I my hands are not "tough" enough. Every time I've tried to do this trick before, it just didn't work for me and generally hurt like heck.

So my question is, am I going to have the same problem with this model?
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 11, 2013 04:16PM)
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On 2013-10-09 22:27, pslaughter wrote:
I'm interested, but here is my question.

I've always liked this effect, but I've never been able to make it work. Plain and simple, I my hands are not "tough" enough. Every time I've tried to do this trick before, it just didn't work for me and generally hurt like heck.

So my question is, am I going to have the same problem with this model?
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Hey, I had the same issue...I found this one to be easier, though I cant guarantee it for you.. This gimmick is much finer, therefore a lot safer to use. Rogue also teaches and talks a lot placement, and you should play around with different locations. If you pick one up from us I will be happy to skype with you and work through it, as I had the same issue.

Thanks!

Six
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 11, 2013 04:18PM)
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On 2013-10-09 21:04, Jeremie Leroi wrote:
And I'm happy to say that one of the benefits of the details put into the entire doll is that you really need to know what the "secret" is to even see it. Thus they wont hurt themselves with this version. Lets just say I was aware of the old method when examining Rogue's haunted Doll and even I had a hard time seeing the gimmick let alone hurting myself. ;) Im sure you would be happy with this one

Well, I'm even more tempted now… Do you guys have a shipping date yet ?

J.
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Hey Jeremie! Thanks, and glad you had first hand experience with Rogues Haunted Doll!

We are pushing for as soon as possible, ideally everyone should have it a week before halloween, it looks to be sooner though.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Oct 11, 2013 06:56PM)
I preordered.
I have to support the hometown boyz!
This looks great SIX!
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Oct 11, 2013 08:58PM)
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On 2013-10-11 17:16, SIX wrote:
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On 2013-10-09 22:27, pslaughter wrote:
I'm interested, but here is my question.

I've always liked this effect, but I've never been able to make it work. Plain and simple, I my hands are not "tough" enough. Every time I've tried to do this trick before, it just didn't work for me and generally hurt like heck.

So my question is, am I going to have the same problem with this model?
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Hey, I had the same issue...I found this one to be easier, though I cant guarantee it for you.. This gimmick is much finer, therefore a lot safer to use. Rogue also teaches and talks a lot placement, and you should play around with different locations. If you pick one up from us I will be happy to skype with you and work through it, as I had the same issue.

Thanks!

Six
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Man, this stuff to me is what's so fun about magic. Here we are as entertainers...specifically close up magic entertainers...told time-and-time again to take care of our hands. Have perfect hands. Get manicures. Use moisturizer. Use this. Use that. Rub this on before midnight on a harvest moon.

And now we have this classic effect, which has stood the test of time, but relies on the fact that the performer must have less-than-perfect hands. I'm so delightfully confused. Yet blissful in my confusion.

Ah. The mysteries of magic.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 12, 2013 11:55AM)
HAHA...Wizard of Oz, Great point- Ah the Decisions a Magician must make, Rumor has it that the DVD teaches a cool little bonus idea with the doll that is completely hands off. *While still avoiding the use of Strings, Magnets, ect.....
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Oct 14, 2013 06:49PM)
Any update on when these will ship? The night The Great Pumpkin will appear is drawing nigh.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 16, 2013 07:04AM)
Hey Bart, so "Thank God" we started the pre-orders early, this way we could get a head start on at least some of the dolls. We have a target goal of Oct 20 to finalize the handmade dolls + a day or so for packaging (into the DVD) + shipping all of our pre-orders. We are working around the clock, and will keep you updated as much as we can :)
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 16, 2013 10:34AM)
Several days to possible shipping.....cool. Thank you for updates, always nice to know how things are coming along with pre-sale items :)
Message: Posted by: professorwho (Oct 16, 2013 10:49AM)
Wizard of OZ, hands can be tough and soft you know. Most climbers have very tough skin and the idea behind moisturising is to keep smooth flexible skin that is still as tough as nails. ;-)
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Oct 16, 2013 01:17PM)
Haven't ordered the doll yet but will be soon, looks awesome. For those who have trouble with the method, google "liquid bandage", it may be just what you need to make it work. Maybe the guys at System 6 will give me a discount for helping sell a few dolls. ;)
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Oct 17, 2013 12:20AM)
Pslaughter,

I do a bit of woodworking, so I don't have an issue with this, but perhaps you can try this:

While it's a bit less impromptu, you could put a dab of glue on your hand and let it dry. Use glue that dries non-tacky, such as regular elmer's glue.

The only other thing I can think of is you could figure out a way to build up more callous (sp?). Basketball, woodworking, gardening, playing guitar, etc.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 17, 2013 07:55AM)
Hey Thanks Dr. Van Van Mojo!!...this is exactly what we need, ideas like yours, it may work for some, and it may not work for others. But at least we are helping each other instead of giving up and moving on to the next trick. As for the discount, we believe in respecting the artists asking price BUT, we are all about " Wowing" our customers so write to us and we'll gladly upgrade your package to a faster delivery date & add a cool little souvenir ;)

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On 2013-10-16 14:17, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Haven't ordered the doll yet but will be soon, looks awesome. For those who have trouble with the method, google "liquid bandage", it may be just what you need to make it work. Maybe the guys at System 6 will give me a discount for helping sell a few dolls. ;)
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Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 17, 2013 08:15AM)
Hey Pslaughter,
I'm in the same boat as you, I play handball so I have a little more callous than usual. BUT in all honesty I found that because the "gimmick" has been updated...the thinness of it allows it to make the doll rise WITHOUT having to go in too "Deep" honestly just a light touch and you should be able to make t rise.

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On 2013-10-17 01:20, 1KJ wrote:
Pslaughter,

I do a bit of woodworking, so I don't have an issue with this, but perhaps you can try this:

While it's a bit less impromptu, you could put a dab of glue on your hand and let it dry. Use glue that dries non-tacky, such as regular elmer's glue.

The only other thing I can think of is you could figure out a way to build up more callous (sp?). Basketball, woodworking, gardening, playing guitar, etc.

KJ

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Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Oct 17, 2013 10:25AM)
My hands are baby butt soft and I really don't want to build up callous or tuffin them up. Not to keen on applying any substance to my palms. Will this still work for me?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 17, 2013 12:07PM)
Hey Nonvpro...
Have you ever owned the Okito Doll or the Voodoo Doll? If you have you would understand a little more on "why" this version might work a lot better, without needing to have construction hands...this doll's "gimmick" is made so all you have to do is (SLIGHTLY) touch your hand and you're good to go. Believe me, even with your baby butt hands lol, you'll be able to do it haha

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On 2013-10-17 11:25, nonvpro wrote:
My hands are baby butt soft and I really don't want to build up callous or tuffin them up. Not to keen on applying any la
Message: Posted by: JosephKerr (Oct 17, 2013 01:22PM)
Rogue's version of this is really great. I've begged for this for years and am very glad to see it being released. Its a self contained
little effect that always gets great reactions when I've seen it performed. The look on this doll is miles better than anything
else I've come across.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Oct 17, 2013 01:53PM)
Devontemagic,

Just a figure of speech about the baby butt soft hands. Never owned Okito Doll or Voodoo doll, so I'm not familiar with their workings. Nor am I knowledgeable with The Haunted Doll. However, based on what I've read here in this thread, I'm pretty sure I know on how it works.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 18, 2013 09:48AM)
Haha! Yes sir...it's finally out! It's hard to explain yo people who haven't seen it in person. Hopefully all the positive reviews its been getting will prove once and for all that this is miles away from any previous versions. Your the Man with 1,000 gadgets, it's no surprise you were up on this already :)

[quote]
On 2013-10-17 14:22, JosephKerr wrote:
Rogue's version of this is really great. I've begged for this for years and am very glad to see it being released. Its a self contained
little effect that always gets great reactions when I've seen it performed. The look on this doll is miles better than anything
else I've come across.


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Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 19, 2013 09:59AM)
UPDATE: We Want to thank all who Pre-Ordered...We have finished the first batch of DOLLS "YAYYY", They are being packaged inside their own DVD casing and hopefully will be ready to ship by this upcoming week. Only thing that scares us a bit is that they will be packaged in California, and we are in NY. It might still work, BUT! as a BACKUP plan, we are thinking about shipping JUST the dolls first, and giving our pre-order buyers access to the DVD online, the physical DVD would arrive shortly after. This way we have a greater chance in delivering the at least the doll before Halloween. :)

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Oct 19, 2013 11:09AM)
Will they be shipping from CA (with west coast orders receiving the item sooner)? Or it still needs to go to NY?

Either way, Im not opposed to the back up plan.

Thanks for the update. Can't wait!
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 19, 2013 11:12AM)
Awesome on the news update (& thank you), I like the backup idea, funny is the dvd's in CA were I live & will make the trek to the east coast then back here to the west coast to me....lol, but would be nice to get the doll & access online vid for now......
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 19, 2013 03:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-11 17:18, SIX wrote:
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On 2013-10-09 21:04, Jeremie Leroi wrote:

Well, I'm even more tempted now… Do you guys have a shipping date yet ?

J.
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We are pushing for as soon as possible, ideally everyone should have it a week before halloween, it looks to be sooner though.

Thanks!
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[quote]
On 2013-10-16 08:04, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey Bart, so "Thank God" we started the pre-orders early, this way we could get a head start on at least some of the dolls. We have a target goal of Oct 20 to finalize the handmade dolls + a day or so for packaging (into the DVD) + shipping all of our pre-orders. We are working around the clock, and will keep you updated as much as we can :)

[/quote]
[quote]
On 2013-10-19 10:59, Devontemagic wrote:
UPDATE: We Want to thank all who Pre-Ordered...We have finished the first batch of DOLLS "YAYYY", They are being packaged inside their own DVD casing and hopefully will be ready to ship by this upcoming week. Only thing that scares us a bit is that they will be packaged in California, and we are in NY. It might still work, BUT! as a BACKUP plan, we are thinking about shipping JUST the dolls first, and giving our pre-order buyers access to the DVD online, the physical DVD would arrive shortly after. This way we have a greater chance in delivering the at least the doll before Halloween. :)

- Devonte
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The only reason that I pre-ordered this was to get it a week before Halloween.

Now there's only a "greater chance" of having it before Halloween?

A lot changed in just 3 days.

Working around the clock doesn't mean what it used to.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 19, 2013 09:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-19 16:05, Jack Straw wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-10-11 17:18, SIX wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-10-09 21:04, Jeremie Leroi wrote:

Well, I'm even more tempted now… Do you guys have a shipping date yet ?

J.
[/quote]

We are pushing for as soon as possible, ideally everyone should have it a week before halloween, it looks to be sooner though.

Thanks!
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2013-10-16 08:04, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey Bart, so "Thank God" we started the pre-orders early, this way we could get a head start on at least some of the dolls. We have a target goal of Oct 20 to finalize the handmade dolls + a day or so for packaging (into the DVD) + shipping all of our pre-orders. We are working around the clock, and will keep you updated as much as we can :)

[/quote]
[quote]
On 2013-10-19 10:59, Devontemagic wrote:
UPDATE: We Want to thank all who Pre-Ordered...We have finished the first batch of DOLLS "YAYYY", They are being packaged inside their own DVD casing and hopefully will be ready to ship by this upcoming week. Only thing that scares us a bit is that they will be packaged in California, and we are in NY. It might still work, BUT! as a BACKUP plan, we are thinking about shipping JUST the dolls first, and giving our pre-order buyers access to the DVD online, the physical DVD would arrive shortly after. This way we have a greater chance in delivering the at least the doll before Halloween. :)

- Devonte
[/quote]

The only reason that I pre-ordered this was to get it a week before Halloween.

Now there's only a "greater chance" of having it before Halloween?

A lot changed in just 3 days.

Working around the clock doesn't mean what it used to.
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Unfortunately there is no around the clock when they are hand made, people need sleep lol

The streaming video explanation would only supplement it just in case. We even went as far as to change the printing method, let me explain. The biggest time consumption is the DVD printing itself, I have no clue why, but its the case. It seems just because its October printers have an influx of orders for printing, specifically in Club Flyers, and that holds up the DVD cover art printing. We are now doing a SPECIAL run, so instead of using whats called "gang printing", we are using "digital printing" which is more expensive, not to mention the next day shipping cost of the dolls, this project has become very expensive for us. None the less we strive for excellent customer service, so we sacrifice some profit to keep to our promises and get everyone the products as quickly as possible.

All orders from System 6 will be shipping via Priority Mail which is usually 2-day. Everyone will have the dolls before Halloween for sure, at least a couple days ahead of time. THOUGH it is still VERY possible it gets there the 24-25 which is a week before Halloween! Yay! Of course this is wha we are pushing for, and the 2-days before is extreme worst case.

We wouldnt even get to that point as we would ship the dolls the week before, and offer all orders from System 6 streaming access on the site. The DVD will follow after once it is printed, and of course because it is two seperate shipments and we offer FREE U.S shipping, there will be no charge on either of the shipments.

Hope this helps to clear things up :)

Six
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 20, 2013 02:22AM)
Big fan of voodoo doll and wickerman albeit, have not performed them in years. Even used Voodoo doll on TV. Interested in first reviews of THD and the system.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 20, 2013 02:53AM)
I've been using disc makers for years for small batch (500 usually) dvd runs and I have never had a delay of any kind. Not even close. So it always amazes me that seemingly every single pre-order in the magic world always seems to have dvd printing issues. It's almost like clock work.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 20, 2013 08:07AM)
Hey, Emyers99

So this is our first pre-order, I'm not sure what the intentions of the previous companies were, but I assure you that our ONLY motivation to open this product up for pre-sales was, to INCREASE the possibility of a few customers receiving it before Halloween. We knew we could not make any promises but we thought it was worth allowing people to order it early. As far as the technical issues you mention, I'm afraid our process is not the same as yours. For starters the delay comes from the Companies Request to first have us finalize the *HANDMADE* Dolls, Which we estimated would be done by October 20th..(Which we accomplished on October 18th) The company requires that we mail them the Dolls, before they can Print because they’ll need to insert the dolls inside the DVD’s Before wrapping it in cellophane. They will receive the Dolls by Monday, and have the regular 3-5 days of production. So the 3-5 days that Discmakers or any other company promises is only TRUE once the DOLLS are completely finalized hence why we did not do an OFFICIAL RELEASE.

Also, it seems that you're printing a SMALL unit of DVD's which usually means that you print Duplication and NOT Replication (which is the industry standard). Discmasters themselves, have a full explanation on their site @ http://www.discmakers.com/quoter/. We unfortunately print in the thousands not hundreds. Which changes the time frame for the DVD wraps, as Six explained earlier. ALL in ALL, we want to thank everyone who did pre-order and we want you all to know that we are GENUINELY doing everything possible to have all our pre-orders fulfilled before Halloween.

LOVE, HUGS, APPLESAUCE

- Devonte

[quote]
On 2013-10-20 03:53, emyers99 wrote:
I've been using disc makers for years for small batch (500 usually) dvd runs and I have never had a delay of any kind. Not even close. So it always amazes me that seemingly every single pre-order in the magic world always seems to have dvd printing issues. It's almost like clock work.
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Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 20, 2013 08:28AM)
Hey Giani / Decomposed

Happy to see another fan of the voodoo doll as I was too :) . So my girlfriend and I just finished watching your promo where you used the straw version and interestingly enough my girlfriend pointed something out from a layperson's point of view. Keep in mind she does not know how either works, but she said that it seemed as though it would be more impossible rise a solid piece of wood vs straw. This is something we did not add to the ad copy or advertising BUT does happen to be an additional upgrade, The haunted doll has, what would be considered the Losander Floating Table effect. "how can that HEAVY table possibly be floating?" That's of course an add-on to the redesign of the gimmick and durability and everything else we've mentioned :)

[quote]
On 2013-10-20 03:22, Decomposed wrote:
Big fan of voodoo doll and wickerman albeit, have not performed them in years. Even used Voodoo doll on TV. Interested in first reviews of THD and the system.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 20, 2013 10:14PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-20 09:28, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey Giani / Decomposed

Happy to see another fan of the voodoo doll as I was too :) . So my girlfriend and I just finished watching your promo where you used the straw version and interestingly enough my girlfriend pointed something out from a layperson's point of view. Keep in mind she does not know how either works, but she said that it seemed as though it would be more impossible rise a solid piece of wood vs straw. This is something we did not add to the ad copy or advertising BUT does happen to be an additional upgrade, The haunted doll has, what would be considered the Losander Floating Table effect. "how can that HEAVY table possibly be floating?" That's of course an add-on to the redesign of the gimmick and durability and everything else we've mentioned :)

[quote]
On 2013-10-20 03:22, Decomposed wrote:
Big fan of voodoo doll and wickerman albeit, have not performed them in years. Even used Voodoo doll on TV. Interested in first reviews of THD and the system.
[/quote]
[/quote]

LOL, yes I can see her point! Funny, that was my first TV appearence and one local magician told me he could see the "string." I also have a large "Wickerman" I have used but its a bit difficult to carry for strolling. Thanks for watching. :kewl:

Decomposing Wood
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 21, 2013 11:18AM)
I for one am looking forward & in hopes to get this before Halloween,but understand the entire process & never personally considered the pre order as anything other than you putting your best to get these to us before the 31st & a limited number produced at this time for such a short time table as hand created items in the States & not overseas cheap garbage.

I also understand that there are other company(s) involved like the DVD company + shipping to & fro that creates time frame issues.....if it comes before great, if it come after - I will enjoy doing this the rest of the year & be ready for Halloween 2014 !

Until then I'll keep my fingers crossed & maybe say a few voodoo chants to help things along....LoL :)

Applesauce all around for everyone :)

*Devonte - a thought, maybe the online vid to give us a head start on learning to work with this & perhaps to work out additional routines ourselves.....?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 21, 2013 12:20PM)
OH MERLIN....If only everyone was as understanding as yourself :). You inspire us to do Great Work buddy...On that note, we like to under-promise and over achieve. We scrambled over the weekend trying to figure out how we can get all our pre-orders fulfilled NOT just a day or so before halloween, but as close to a week before as we could. Fingers crossed it seems we have found a Solution, We're printing a limited batch of a few hundred here in NY using the High Quality Duplication method. As Duplication is MUCH faster than Replication for the short run we're doing, we may be looking to mail the DVD + DOLL + Our Love (
Yes Merlin.....Applesauce all around for everyone

PS: We "might" still put up the video online for streaming as a (back-up solution) BUT hopefully we wont have to, being that sometimes the Videos can leak and be put up on youtube by scammers. If we end up doing it. YES, we will give everyone a HEADS UP :)

[quote]
On 2013-10-21 12:18, Merlinsmagic wrote:
I for one am looking forward & in hopes to get this before Halloween,but understand the entire process & never personally considered the pre order as anything other than you putting your best to get these to us before the 31st & a limited number produced at this time for such a short time table as hand created items in the States & not overseas cheap garbage.

I also understand that there are other company(s) involved like the DVD company + shipping to & fro that creates time frame issues.....if it comes before great, if it come after - I will enjoy doing this the rest of the year & be ready for Halloween 2014 !

Until then I'll keep my fingers crossed & maybe say a few voodoo chants to help things along....LoL :)

Applesauce all around for everyone :)

*Devonte - a thought, maybe the online vid to give us a head start on learning to work with this & perhaps to work out additional routines ourselves.....?
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 21, 2013 12:22PM)
Apologies..this part was cut off

"As Duplication is MUCH faster than Replication for the short run we're doing, we may be looking to mail the DVD + DOLL + Our Love (
-Devonte
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 21, 2013 12:25PM)
Thanks, Devonte.

What you've said here is reassuring.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 21, 2013 12:25PM)
FOR SOME REASON THE LAST PART KEEPS CUTTING OFF! ONCE AGAIN

" As Duplication is MUCH faster than Replication for the short run we're doing, we may be looking to mail the DVD + DOLL + Our Love, As SOON as Wednesday. WE will UPGRADE U.S orders to 2 day Shipping and if the Shipping Company does their job, Then the Doll should tentatively arrive Friday, Latest Monday.. WOOHOO
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 21, 2013 12:26PM)
Seeing this last post makes me second what I said directly above.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 21, 2013 12:36PM)
Jack, I wouldn't see why you would second it, but I respect your opinion. We have been as transparent as we could be. We have expressed our intentions, expectations, and have kept everyone updated on a daily basis. Our only options to Guarantee the dolls, before Halloween are as follows

- Wait until the entire batch (thousands of units) get printed (Most probably the week of Halloween) + Then ship = Would Fail to deliver it BEFORE Halloween
- Send off ONLY the Dolls, have the DVD streaming online and then wait for the DVD's to get printed and then send that = Problem with this is double shipping + some customers don't want to stream
- Print and Package a High Quality Duplication DVD + DOLL and Ship as early as Wednesday and have it in our customer's hands as early as this Friday = SEEMS LIKE A WINNER
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 21, 2013 01:24PM)
I was seconding the fact that I am reassured, Devonte!
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 21, 2013 03:04PM)
HEHE...Woopsie...I interpreted that Wrong :X My apologies Jack...
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 21, 2013 03:12PM)
The System 6 team is a classy group!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 21, 2013 03:19PM)
No need to apologize. I guess that my statement wasn't too clear.

I just wanted to make sure that you understand that I am pleased, and not angry!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Oct 22, 2013 12:33AM)
I am excitedly awaiting it's arrival!
KJ
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 22, 2013 09:23AM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-22 01:33, 1KJ wrote:
I am excitedly awaiting it's arrival!
KJ
[/quote]
YAY!

Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:44pm
GREAT NEWS! We have a batch of dolls in our possession, our short run (dvds for immediate shipping) should be done tomorrow, and Devonte and I will spend the night, touching up the dolls to perfection. Which means they will ship tomorrow, most people will have it by friday, some Saturday.(This is due to USPS PRIORITY SHIPPING, though most packages ship 2-day, its sort of location based)

We may have the DVDs today, and if that is the case they will be sent out tomorrow before 8am for faster shipment, lets keep our fingers crossed!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 22, 2013 12:01PM)
Thanks, Six.

I'm looking forward to getting mine!
Message: Posted by: Interfector (Oct 22, 2013 12:11PM)
This looks very nice I like the look of the doll
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Oct 22, 2013 04:41PM)
Hi Six,
can we order from France?
Thanks,
Olivier
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 22, 2013 06:30PM)
WOO - HOO !!!! Great news guys :)
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 22, 2013 09:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-22 17:41, oly92 wrote:
Hi Six,
can we order from France?
Thanks,
Olivier
[/quote]

We do ship worldwide, I would recommend the 6-10 guarantee, but there are other options on the site. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 23, 2013 02:00PM)
Got my shipping notice ! You guys rock !!
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 23, 2013 03:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-23 15:00, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Got my shipping notice ! You guys rock !!
[/quote]

I'm tired... lol
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 23, 2013 06:54PM)
System 6 Likes to see you Guys/ Ladies Happy :) ON that NOTE, Check out this funny picture I snapped of Six last night while we struggled to stay wake HEHE . Also make sure to like the page :)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=634860566572305&set=a.634860683238960.1073741827.417056735019357&type=1&theater¬if_t=like
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Oct 23, 2013 08:38PM)
Now THAT'S commitment. Can't wait for mine!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 23, 2013 11:44PM)
Packin and Crackin, an art in itself. :kewl:


Decomposing DVD Cases
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 24, 2013 09:17AM)
Next time you say you're working around the clock I won't doubt you!
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Oct 24, 2013 02:04PM)
Haunted Doll arrived today.
A very nice little Blair Witchy Doll and very comfortable in hand.
I enjoyed the discussions on the DVD and that creepy singing child intro!
Rogue and System 6 present this classic very well indeed.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 24, 2013 09:37PM)
I got mine today also, and I have to say that both "The Haunted Doll" and System 6 are excellent!

A few days ago I was a little nervous because I thought that we were going to get something of a runaround about this being shipped later than the promised delivery date.

System 6 went far beyond the call of duty, and I give them my highest accolades for getting the job done. They didn't need to pay for Priority Shipping, but they did. Nothing but praise from me for the folks at System 6!

System 6 goes on my list of magic companies that I would not hesitate to deal with. That's been a hard list to get on lately. Congratulations!

Now for The Haunted Doll itself. I love it! The doll looks real nice and operates just fine, and this will take nowhere near the recommended week of practice to get it down good. I've done it 30 or 40 times already, and it really is amazing! My hand needs a rest, though. It definitely can take a little toll on your hand.

It works just as advertised, and I believe that every claim that was made in advertising this product was true.

I'll be using this during the next week and for a long time to come.

Thanks, Rogue and System 6!
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 25, 2013 03:41PM)
Oh Jack, we are so glad that our hard work, paid off. We THANK YOU greatly for all your kind words, they reward us with the greatest feeling ever = Customer Satisfaction and knowing that we as a team, have delivered a great product to you, in a (timely manner). There is no greater feeling for System 6, than knowing that we have successfully created Affinity with our audience (You Guys). We want you ALL to know that we honor it, we are humbled by it, and will continue to build on it by promising to ALWAYS stay a transparent and be clear to our audience's about our Intentions, Motives and overall operations. We WILL become the MOST TRUSTED name in MAGIC one day :)

Love, Hugs, Applesauce

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 25, 2013 05:26PM)
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Since they showed on the scene, I've been posting how classy these System 6 folks!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Oct 25, 2013 05:28PM)
I'm glad to commend those that deserve commendation, Devonte, but I'll also condemn those that deserve condemnation.

Let me be VERY clear here- System 6 deserves high praise for meeting their deadlines and for producing an effect that is well worth it, in my opinion!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Oct 25, 2013 05:30PM)
Just got this as well and have to echo Jack's praise on the speedy shipping, and transparency of communications/managing expectations of System 6. Awesome.

The actual DVD is nicely produced, and yes, that creepy child signing in the intro definitely sets the tone off right! The instructions are brief, informative, but has a nice laid back conversational style to it that is a breath of fresh air amid other DVD's that get too long winded and serious in tone.

Rogue does a great job of covering all aspects of presentation, method, technique, etc. He has years of experience with this and it shows. Not to mention a lot of passion for this effect.

I also have to say that "Six" is terrific too, whom alongside Rogue, in the explanations, asks all the right questions...Indeed, right when I thought of a question while watching, he would ask it. That's A+ in terms of anticipating your audience/customers needs.

The doll itself is extremely well made and very clever...with attributes about it that helps cancel out any suspected methods. Very well thought out, and Rogue goes on to suggest ways to make it fly even more under the radar. All in all, the doll exceeds expectations.

Thank you very much to Rogue and the System 6 team for putting out a great product, with great service, and great communications.

Get this!
Message: Posted by: SIX (Oct 25, 2013 09:26PM)
Wow, this is all wonderful to hear. I cant tell you the amount of stress I personally have been under. Aside from Devonte and I working as fast as possible to get the dolls out the door, we have been managing our Believe Playing Cards, printing t-shirts, card clips and working on new artist before the end of the year. Aside from that I have been working on a TV project, and did I mention I went back to school, Midterms week! Yet, you guys make it all worth it!

I cant tell you how much reading all the positive responses means and continues to motivate me/us to push through and keep working hard!



Love, hugs and applesauce, (The new System 6 Mantra!)

Six
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 25, 2013 10:04PM)
I received the doll/dvd here in New York two days ago. The craftsmanship is superb and the gimmick is extremely well hidden and undetectable. The DVD explanation with Rogue and "Six" is very thorough. The conversation between "Six" and Rogue is casual and extremely informative. There is no street performance on the DVD. This is a great improvement over the typical straw version. I will be getting anoterh one. Highly recommended.

Michael
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 25, 2013 10:43PM)
Agreed on all points.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 25, 2013 11:09PM)
Busy working on a haunted house for a elementary school fund raiser I do for the every year for Sat nite, but I got home exhausted from pre setup today & found a nice surprise package from the most AWESOME System 6 !! Pooped & heading to bed for an early rise, but I HAD to jump on here & say THANK YOU - YOU guys ROCK !!!!!!
I watched the DVD quickly just to check things out & already am playing with it, again most appreciated the hard work & extra hoop jumping to get these to us !

Perfect timing as I plan on using it at the little half time show I will do at haunt break - this is going to be an extra bonus for tomorrows show !

Cannot say thank you enough for keeping us up to date & pushing hard every day & nite & finding a way to get these n the mail at extra shipping cost to you.
Worth every penny guys, just had to drop in & say Thanx :)

Will post more of a review next few days after the weekend mayhem.......once again guys, THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 26, 2013 02:26AM)
Reading all this got me to break out my Wickerman for tomorrow's strolling event. I have this on my radar. Will be nice to compare the two later

PS: Six, I could not get the Vimeo video to work. May be on my end though.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Oct 26, 2013 02:58AM)
I love the look of these little characters, so I ordered 2.
Looking forward to mine arriving in Holland.
Hopefully they get here in time for Halloween.

Steve
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Oct 26, 2013 03:48AM)
I received mine today. VERY nice! The doll is tremendous! When I read it was handmade from wood, I was preparing myself for a possible dissapointment. I thought it might look like some sort of arts and crafts project from Home Depot on kids Saturday.
When I opened it up, it looks like something that is a hundred years old. very nicely made. the DVD was very good as well. sort of straight to the point, but I really enjoyed the technical focus on how to use the doll. very nice tips and instruction.
I think that if anyone has ANY interest in the haunted or voodoo doll idea, they really should add this to their stuff.
kj
Message: Posted by: kevishu (Oct 26, 2013 01:16PM)
Got mine yesterday, too. Really impressed with the quality of the gimmick. Doesn't look cheap, nor does it look cheaply manufactured. Very solidly constructed! Also, the gimmick is hidden/disguised much better than cheaper versions. Very pleased!

Thanks again for the efforts to get these shipped quickly! Much appreciated!
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Oct 26, 2013 03:54PM)
I'm also looking to receive mine in France.

Olivier
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 26, 2013 05:24PM)
I just ordered mine, can't wait to get it !
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 26, 2013 11:32PM)
Reading all this caused me to take Wickerman out of his coffin tonight before my annual gig. I broke it out and travled with him to my strolling grounds. Well, the gimmick broke at the worst possible moment! I was bummed. I certainly hope the gimmick (pretty sure it is or my Café brothers would have said it was not) is made better in the Doll. I had a beautiful set up and my presentation after so many presentations in the past is set in stone. All I needed was Mr Wicker to perform at his best and he let me down. I had to go into emergency messures and use fire and suggestion but I should not have to work that hard for 3 hrs hoofing. Don't know what to do with him now. Afterall he is made of straw and needs a heart and a gimmick. Or is it courage? I forget that 1939 movie. Basically not even a decent burial, trash heap he goes.

Decomposing Broken Gimmick :no:
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Oct 27, 2013 04:33AM)
Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus. ;) Looks and works great. The gimmick, while not completely invisible is well hidden. Good instructional dvd. You can believe the ad and claims made here by Six and Devonte and the praise from other purchasers.

The only criticism I have is with the dvd. It jumps back to the menu after each section plays, which is kind of annoying. Also, you can't scroll through the menu to play a certain section because it doesn't highlight or indicate which menu item you are on. It's a short dvd that I probably won't view again so I would have preferred a download to bring the price down some.

Any chance of offering just the doll a little cheaper for owners of the dvd that want a backup or replacement?
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Oct 27, 2013 08:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-27 05:33, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus. ;) Looks and works great. The gimmick, while not completely invisible is well hidden. Good instructional dvd. You can believe the ad and claims made here by Six and Devonte and the praise from other purchasers.

The only criticism I have is with the dvd. It jumps back to the menu after each section plays, which is kind of annoying. Also, you can't scroll through the menu to play a certain section because it doesn't highlight or indicate which menu item you are on. It's a short dvd that I probably won't view again so I would have preferred a download to bring the price down some.

Any chance of offering just the doll a little cheaper for owners of the dvd that want a backup or replacement?
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Great prop! Yes, the DVD took some time to navigate but after some fiddling I got to watch it. No big deal.
I'm very satisfied.....
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 27, 2013 12:01PM)
Oh Man Sorry to hear that, Perhaps it is Time...for the new and improved Doll.... hehe :)
[quote]
On 2013-10-27 00:32, Decomposed wrote:
Reading all this caused me to take Wickerman out of his coffin tonight before my annual gig. I broke it out and travled with him to my strolling grounds. Well, the gimmick broke at the worst possible moment! I was bummed. I certainly hope the gimmick (pretty sure it is or my Café brothers would have said it was not) is made better in the Doll. I had a beautiful set up and my presentation after so many presentations in the past is set in stone. All I needed was Mr Wicker to perform at his best and he let me down. I had to go into emergency messures and use fire and suggestion but I should not have to work that hard for 3 hrs hoofing. Don't know what to do with him now. Afterall he is made of straw and needs a heart and a gimmick. Or is it courage? I forget that 1939 movie. Basically not even a decent burial, trash heap he goes.

Decomposing Broken Gimmick :no:
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Hey. Van Van Private Message me the name you ordered under, and we will make sure to follow up on something special.... The Rush Delivery had a Toll on us ;/

As for the DVD Menu...This I am afraid this is 100% my fault/responsibility. Don't have much to say rather than THANK YOU for taking your time to give us Feedback on how we can go from being a Good Company to a GREAT company. I will do my best to better structure the Menu, but I am happy LOTS of people, Found the Material Useful.

Lastly, In reference to your streaming question. I think we can definitely upload a streaming option, But with the outrageous (piracy) that is affecting the magic world, protection of our streaming/downloads cost just as much as the DVD. We Are actually Launching Our STREAMING OPTION for the FIRST time in SYSTEM 6 in the following Weeks... (Little secret) We'll be doing some great FREE Downloads for the first 100 people to sign up... ;)
[quote]
On 2013-10-27 05:33, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus. ;) Looks and works great. The gimmick, while not completely invisible is well hidden. Good instructional dvd. You can believe the ad and claims made here by Six and Devonte and the praise from other purchasers.

The only criticism I have is with the dvd. It jumps back to the menu after each section plays, which is kind of annoying. Also, you can't scroll through the menu to play a certain section because it doesn't highlight or indicate which menu item you are on. It's a short dvd that I probably won't view again so I would have preferred a download to bring the price down some.

Any chance of offering just the doll a little cheaper for owners of the dvd that want a backup or replacement?
[/quote]
Posted: Oct 27, 2013 1:25pm
UPDATE: FOR OUR INTERNATIONAL ORDERS

We have received a HUGE amount of international orders and for this we are Greatly Appreciative. We Happy to say that we have one of the Cheapest International Rates available online...Many of you are anxious about finally receiving the Haunted Doll, As are we. But unfortunately standard International Shipping Only guarantees Delivery in 6 to 10 business days*. We have done our best to bring the price down, as we mentioned but we cannot speed up the Delivery Date...UNLESS you guys upgrade to Faster Shipping. We want our all International Supporters to know that we value you guys just as much as our U.S supporters and that we have done our absolute best to get your Packages out, in the time we received your order. We Thank you for your patience,

Love, Hugs, and AppleSauce

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Oct 27, 2013 04:18PM)
Just got back from our chidlren's school's Halloween party. I did The Haunted Doll a half dozen times and it got terrific reactions. It was also a very good trick to do silently or with minimum talking due to the loud music being played. Highly rcommended.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Trekdad (Oct 27, 2013 08:40PM)
Received mine, and I can't add much more than what's already been said by way of praise for this product and the efforts of you guys for getting these dolls made and the packages mailed out as promised before Halloween.

Don't tell my other haunted/okito/voodoo dolls, but this will be replacing them in performances.
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Oct 28, 2013 04:32AM)
Thanks Devonte.
I will update you as soon I get it.

Olivier
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Oct 28, 2013 06:16PM)
Got to use mine Saturday & Sat nite within a full sequence of effects surrounding a Witches theme & it was GREAT (the Haunted Doll)!! I was doing it for a few kids testing the waters & had a couple take the doll,.....I was a little nervous when they did, but they looked it over placed it in they're flat hand trying to make it stand up repeating what I said to make it stand......& nothing...LoL. I told them that it holds special powers & if they touch it, it would no longer have them.

I re chanted another verse & "re instated" the powers that be, then performing it again......the stared at it completely puzzled ! LoL
Even had one person there came up after & stated to me they did a little magic & also used I.T. as he noticed the thread around the arms of doll ( of course thinking IT ), I said what I.T. I re did it for him after very well making sure he checked & saw there was NO thread hook ups or magnets........Doll rose up, he checked it again, eyes opened very wide & said "HOLY CRAP" ! Left him silently standing there completely complex-ed !!!!

& the fun has only just started !! So happy that you guys busted butt to get this to us in time for me to use Saturday & Mind Twist !!
A truck load of Applesauce to you 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can see myself buying another as a spare, not as a replacement as this seems very well made, but because I can see using it soooo much I may wear it out if that's possible !?! I consider this one of the top four Best of 2013 effects I've invested in !!
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Oct 28, 2013 06:52PM)
WooHoo, just placed my order.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 28, 2013 08:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-28 19:16, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Got to use mine Saturday & Sat nite within a full sequence of effects surrounding a Witches theme & it was GREAT (the Haunted Doll)!! I was doing it for a few kids testing the waters & had a couple take the doll,.....I was a little nervous when they did, but they looked it over placed it in they're flat hand trying to make it stand up repeating what I said to make it stand......& nothing...LoL. I told them that it holds special powers & if they touch it, it would no longer have them.

I re chanted another verse & "re instated" the powers that be, then performing it again......the stared at it completely puzzled ! LoL
Even had one person there came up after & stated to me they did a little magic & also used I.T. as he noticed the thread around the arms of doll ( of course thinking IT ), I said what I.T. I re did it for him after very well making sure he checked & saw there was NO thread hook ups or magnets........Doll rose up, he checked it again, eyes opened very wide & said "HOLY CRAP" ! Left him silently standing there completely complex-ed !!!!

& the fun has only just started !! So happy that you guys busted butt to get this to us in time for me to use Saturday & Mind Twist !!
A truck load of Applesauce to you 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can see myself buying another as a spare, not as a replacement as this seems very well made, but because I can see using it soooo much I may wear it out if that's possible !?! I consider this one of the top four Best of 2013 effects I've invested in !!

[/quote]

Very interesting. I don't think I ever let the spec hold the straw man after the presentation. Yeah they always think I.T., especially the kiddies.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 29, 2013 08:57AM)
UPDATE: So Some of our Pre-Orders were left without a "Full Performances Section" on there DVD's. Though Rogue does it in the trailer, and in the explanation, many of you have asked for it. So instead of making excuses, We listened to you and here is a Spooky Montage of Full Performances by Rogue out on the street :) You'll also Note, that like Merlinsmagic said. People look at the doll and see absolutely nothing.

Click and Share Below :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyFML5rAnhQ

Love, Hugs and AppleSauce

-Devonte
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 29, 2013 10:36AM)
:applause: :applause: :applause:

System 6, the GREATEST system Team since systems 3,4 and 5!!

Message: Posted by: barts185 (Oct 29, 2013 04:59PM)
I did not have the prior versions, so can't compare, but will say that I -REALLY- like this one.

Practiced with it for a few days and then took it out last night and the reaction was great!

Regarding the comments above about IT - I could easily see myself thinking that IT was involved if I didn't have this. I'm VERY glad that it's not IT.

While it's obviously too early to tell, I think this will last a long, long time.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Oct 31, 2013 03:01PM)
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE..We Come baring Tricky News, and Treats :) So we have had a Hec of a week getting these dolls made to perfection. The Tricky news, is that in a Perfect World, we would have loved to have the Haunted Doll Release in early October, and had it arrive to everyone before Halloween. As you all know we did our best to get the first batch of U/S order into your hands. As for my International Folks, you guys have been priority this entire week. Now on to the Treats, We will be Officially Releasing the Haunted Doll as of November 1st (Tomorrow). Keep in Mind that this is not ONLY a great Halloween effect but a great effect in almost any event; Not to mention it's not another card trick :) **And we Love Card Magic** We will begin shipping ALL the Pre-Orders First,followed by all future purchases in the order that we receive them. We are also Releasing a NEW DVD Called 3 Way...Which includes a compilation of Original card effects. This DVD, includes the highly anticipated Sandwich Routine by Wei Ding, which Eric Jones says "is his Absolute New Favorite Sandwich to perform"

Love. Hugs, and Applesauce

-Devonte :)
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 31, 2013 03:14PM)
Didn't received any shipment notification since a week, is it normal ? :)

can't wait :D
Message: Posted by: mndude (Oct 31, 2013 03:38PM)
I've just placed an order. I'll be giving my reviews shortly...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 31, 2013 04:55PM)
I WANT ONE! How long does USA delivery take Devonte? :nod:
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 1, 2013 03:59AM)
Unfortunately mine didn't make it to Holland in time for Halloween, but no big deal.
He'll get here when he gets here.

Oh and he's bringing his twin brother with him.
I ordered two :)

Steve
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 1, 2013 07:53AM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-27 13:13, Devontemagic wrote:


Lastly, In reference to your streaming question. I think we can definitely upload a streaming option, But with the outrageous (piracy) that is affecting the magic world, protection of our streaming/downloads cost just as much as the DVD.
[/quote]

The DVD content is useless without the prop though so it doesn't matter if someone pirates it.

I'd go as far as to deliberately put the DVD on piracy sites as it would increase sales of the prop.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 1, 2013 09:29AM)
ATTENTION: International Pre Sales, We thank you for your patience as you know it took us a little longer than expected, but you will still be receiving before the actual Sale Dates. (Shhh! we may be slipped in a little something something extra for you guys ;) "Those who act fast, laugh last" - Totally made this up

Alex DLF : Don't worry Alex we've got you covered, you'll receive a notification later today :)

Decomposed : Standard Free shipping Is about 3-5 But A little secret is (we do surprise upgrades to 2 days * when possible

Stephen Young : Hang tight for your two little guys, ...having a back up is great as we don't know if this Doll become limited edition (due to the Handmade process)

And Lastly,

SociallyAwkwardPenguin: In context what I was saying about piracy is that Many Companies, like Vanishing Inc, Murphy's, and ourselves have invested in coding each download with hidden watermarks, that allow traceable links to the purchaser. The point I wanted to make, was intended to explain why Downloads/ Streaming are not necessarily "less expensive" than DVDs. But you are right, in this case even if it did get pirated, you would still need the doll :) . Not sure if we would go as far as posting it up on Torrent sites, I genuinely believe that it will reach its intended audience with word of mouth.

Love, Hugs and Applesauce

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 1, 2013 10:15AM)
Thanks for the update Devonte... mine didn't make it to Canada in time for Halloween but still looking forward to working with it. Have long been a fan of the Okito doll and other variations.... sounds like this will be a new favorite.

John
Message: Posted by: r99h (Nov 1, 2013 01:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-01 10:29, Devontemagic wrote:
ATTENTION: International Pre Sales, We thank you for your patience as you know it took us a little longer than expected, but you will still be receiving before the actual Sale Dates. (Shhh! we may be slipped in a little something something extra for you guys ;) "Those who act fast, laugh last" - Totally made this up

Alex DLF : Don't worry Alex we've got you covered, you'll receive a notification later today :)

Decomposed : Standard Free shipping Is about 3-5 But A little secret is (we do surprise upgrades to 2 days * when possible

Stephen Young : Hang tight for your two little guys, ...having a back up is great as we don't know if this Doll become limited edition (due to the Handmade process)

And Lastly,

SociallyAwkwardPenguin: In context what I was saying about piracy is that Many Companies, like Vanishing Inc, Murphy's, and ourselves have invested in coding each download with hidden watermarks, that allow traceable links to the purchaser. The point I wanted to make, was intended to explain why Downloads/ Streaming are not necessarily "less expensive" than DVDs. But you are right, in this case even if it did get pirated, you would still need the doll :) . Not sure if we would go as far as posting it up on Torrent sites, I genuinely believe that it will reach its intended audience with word of mouth.

Love, Hugs and Applesauce

- Devonte
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I assume idiots who put stuff up on torrent sites have the ability to copy DVDs to avi files (or similar). So then surely a watermarked & traceable download file is better protection than an unprotected DVD?

Or am I missing something?

Rich
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Nov 1, 2013 04:13PM)
I received a notification email on monday. I hope to get it at least in the beginning of next week.
I can't wait!

Olivier
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 1, 2013 05:25PM)
ORDERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Stephen: COngratulations on your new edition of twins! Sure both mom and babies will be doing fine!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 1, 2013 06:14PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-01 10:29, Devontemagic wrote:
ATTENTION: International Pre Sales, We thank you for your patience as you know it took us a little longer than expected, but you will still be receiving before the actual Sale Dates. (Shhh! we may be slipped in a little something something extra for you guys ;) "Those who act fast, laugh last" - Totally made this up

Alex DLF : Don't worry Alex we've got you covered, you'll receive a notification later today :)
[/quote]

Wow, can't wait for my notification AND the little surprise :P You guys rocks !
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 1, 2013 08:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-31 16:01, Devontemagic wrote:
Keep in Mind that this is not ONLY a great Halloween effect but a great effect in almost any event
[/quote]

Agreed. Like the haunted key, etc. these can be used year round!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 1, 2013 11:00PM)
Yeah they can Zombie, I forgot to use my Haunted Key this year. Really compliments silverware and coin bends.

Got my confirm today. Curious also about the surprise!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 2, 2013 05:17AM)
Got my confirmation as well.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 2, 2013 09:00AM)
You guys are going to love this.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 2, 2013 12:07PM)
Hey Guys!

Some people who got confirmations please note that your orders may have shipped earlier, with everything going on we just never had a chance to update the system, some people may have shipped upon confirmation, but as of today, all orders are out of the door, even recent ones.

Just finishing up the last of them now, yay! You guys will love this and thanks for all of the support.

I went as far as to skip class today to finish these! Woo-hoo!

Keep Shake'n and Bake'n,

Six
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 2, 2013 12:22PM)
I might be in the last one so ;)
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 2, 2013 02:05PM)
"as one of the spectators goes to grab the doll from the stranger's hand, a scream is heard more deafening than the Bansee, sending shivers up everyone's spine & nearly gives the intruding audience member a heart-attack"

It screams?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 2, 2013 07:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-02 15:05, mndude wrote:
"as one of the spectators goes to grab the doll from the stranger's hand, a scream is heard more deafening than the Bansee, sending shivers up everyone's spine & nearly gives the intruding audience member a heart-attack"

It screams?
[/quote]

Words to live by,,,,,errr, live by. Or what we all feed on. I will make mine scream even if it does not have a button.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 4, 2013 01:18PM)
Hey guys, today is the OFFICIAL REALESE, YAY! :)
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 4, 2013 01:54PM)
Still no confirmation.. :(

I know guys that each one is made by hand, that it may take some time to get the DVD's but what is the point to preorder it if it isn't shipped before the release date ?.. I don't want to be rude because I can imagine the work that have been out into this but I'm a little bit disappointed with the service. Maybe because I really want this doll now but it's been a week since I ordered it.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 4, 2013 02:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-04 14:54, Alex DLF wrote:
Still no confirmation.. :(

I know guys that each one is made by hand, that it may take some time to get the DVD's but what is the point to preorder it if it isn't shipped before the release date ?.. I don't want to be rude because I can imagine the work that have been out into this but I'm a little bit disappointed with the service. Maybe because I really want this doll now but it's been a week since I ordered it.
[/quote]

Alex, not to worry, because of the amount of orders, it was almost impossible for us to manage the confirmations with the shipping and packaging without adding a couple of days delay in getting them out the dorr. Every single order was sent out last week, as it was our main priority to get it out faster. Unfortunately we had to sacrifice something to increase spead, and that was the confirmations, some were sent and some werent. It just took so long, to print and ship, then come back and manually type in every single orders tracking or confirmation.

Sorry about this, but the good news yoru dvd is on the way. Message me if you need more details about your specefic order, I just have tons of receipts with random locations and numbers to sift through lol

Thanks!

Six
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 4, 2013 02:24PM)
Don't worry, I'm way to impatient ;)

I know how hard is to send every single order and I'm looking forward to get this little beauty !

Thanks for your reactivity SIX, I will definately order again at your website !
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 4, 2013 03:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-04 15:24, Alex DLF wrote:
Don't worry, I'm way to impatient ;)

I know how hard is to send every single order and I'm looking forward to get this little beauty !

Thanks for your reactivity SIX, I will definately order again at your website !
[/quote]

Thanks Alex!! :-D
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 4, 2013 10:53PM)
Just received mine today. Great service and even better product.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2013 02:13AM)
Mine arrived also. Fast shipping, great improvement over Okito and DVD was outstanding.

One funny note, the music during one of the performances sounded like the very same music producers chose during of my TV performances of the Okito.

The HD, is much better made, the gimmick is very well concealed and great bonus ideas on the DVD! And its made out of wood and will eventually decompose! I think I can safely say that no animals were harmed during the making of the doll.

Decomposing With My Doll
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 5, 2013 09:17AM)
UPDATE: All Orders have went out the door as of Yesterday (except for the orders made in the past several hours of course, they'll be sent today) We genuinely have to say that we have been humbled by the great responses of everyone and we AIM to have a winner like the Haunted Doll Every Single time. Even if it takes us several Months to find something that's worth putting out. That being Said. I have made several hints at (a special something) that we wanted to add into the Haunted Doll for those who waited so patiently. We are currently cross checking names, of those few people who Pre-Ordered but did not receive it before Halloween (Mostly International Buyers). In return We will be sending you a private Link either Via Email/ Café of one of Michael Six Muldoon's Creator of 6 by Six and Modern Triumph's UNRELEASED Effect. The Link will be for a Streaming Video Online, We will in fact be selling the streaming Video, in the next couple of months BUT those who waited patiently will receive it for Absolutely FREE of Charge. They Say Nothing is FREE, and your patience was your way of paying us ;)

NonVpro : Woohoo another winner, glad you like it...Welcome to the Darkside of Magic :)

Decomposed : Happy your's got to you quickly and in tact. Happy to see our Haunted Doll introduced to your family :)

Love, Hugs and Applesauce.

-Devonte
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 5, 2013 10:02AM)
Hey, Great news about the extra something for pre-order people.

Looking forward to that, and the twins arriving.

Steve
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 5, 2013 11:41AM)
I've received my doll. I agree, that it does take some time practicing it until it can be done well... at least I had to. I've demonstrated it for a few people and so far the reactions have been great! To add on to the effect, I've put my Pure Smoke device on, so eerie smoke seems to be emitting from the doll (while I have creepy flute music playing in the background).

This is one of the few tricks where I've seen some spectators actually suspect that some real witchcraft might be at play.

Pros: Not organic, but doesn't look like some plastic thing you'd buy at some magic shop. There is a great emotional response to the creepiness of the little artifact. Very durable. I can't imagine this breaking under most circumstances.

Cons: I disagree that it is completely examinable. I think if you hand it out, you're really going to be putting yourself at risk at someone figuring out your trick. You can perform this only so many times a week until you have to give it a rest. Also, despite the advertisement, it doesn't scream.

It will definately be one of my favorites to perform! I would give it 4.5 stars out of 5.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 5, 2013 12:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-05 12:41, mndude wrote:

Cons: You can perform this only so many times a week until you have to give it a rest.

[/quote]

Can you adlib on this more.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 5, 2013 12:49PM)
It's a little hard on your hand.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Nov 5, 2013 01:07PM)
Cool idea with the pure smoke, mndude!

There is a bit of a risk for sure in handing it out but the audience, I believe, is not trained to suspect this kind of method. If anything, they are thinking strings or magnet so there isn't too much heat on the actual method/gimmick. And it's definitely less noticeable than the other types of voodoo dolls etc (plus, doesn't stand out as much with the certain touches that Rogue added to this version).

Every time I have handed it out, they give it a look, put in on their palm, and try to make it rise out of their own hand and can't. They hand it back in disbelief!

My wife who knows all my crazy methods and tricks still scratches her head on this one!
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 5, 2013 01:09PM)
Pure Smoke, why didn't we think of combining both. Awesome Idea. Thank you for your wonderful words but even more thanks for the Cons, in your point of you. It seemed honest and not, the too familiar Nitpicking reviews that products get.

Couple of things, for some question's that people may have

- For those who have had the opportunity to visit Rogue's Shop, the creator, He literally does the doll anywhere from 5-10 a day. And is open 7 days a week. (He Does this to every NEW customer that walks through his doors. We wish we could be making this up lol but this happens to be his Favorite effect. Either way, for us Mortals out there, YES I can see how doing this an excessive amount of times may take a toll on your hand. We have got many emails from customer who want to buy, asking if it needs any refills or if they'll have to buy another. To answer those questions without revealing the method. NO, you have the option to do this as much as you want, I believe preference wise some may just choose to not do it All the time :)

- The examinable part is the one we had a huge debate about. I was one of those who voted for the Advertising to say examinable. The reason I did can be either subjective or objective. Watching Rogue hand the doll out for examination, day in and day out made me realize that if the performance and gimmick are executed well, then there should be no fear in the spectator discovering anything. But I feel that as magicians we're so "worried" about being caught once we have been told the secrect, as it is with Thumb tips after I used to sell them. I believe that the superior manufacturing of the gimmick doesn't make it completely invisible but NEARLY invisible, this to me warrants it examinable. I do understand that this can not be held as a FACT. but rather my strong opinion based on seeing it performed 1,000's of times by Rogue. NOTE: Rogue teach's a genius tip on how to make the gimmick even more invisible in the DVD.... HINT: Sharpie/ Permanent Marker/ Lighter

- As for the scream......I talk to my doll every night asking for it to scream :(

Thank you all once again for Pushing the Haunted Doll forward :)


[quote]
On 2013-11-05 12:41, mndude wrote:
I've received my doll. I agree, that it does take some time practicing it until it can be done well... at least I had to. I've demonstrated it for a few people and so far the reactions have been great! To add on to the effect, I've put my Pure Smoke device on, so eerie smoke seems to be emitting from the doll (while I have creepy flute music playing in the background).

This is one of the few tricks where I've seen some spectators actually suspect that some real witchcraft might be at play.

Pros: Not organic, but doesn't look like some plastic thing you'd buy at some magic shop. There is a great emotional response to the creepiness of the little artifact. Very durable. I can't imagine this breaking under most circumstances.

Cons: I disagree that it is completely examinable. I think if you hand it out, you're really going to be putting yourself at risk at someone figuring out your trick. You can perform this only so many times a week until you have to give it a rest. Also, despite the advertisement, it doesn't scream.

It will definately be one of my favorites to perform! I would give it 4.5 stars out of 5.


[/quote]
Message: Posted by: SociallyAwkwardPenguin (Nov 5, 2013 01:13PM)
Is there any risk AT ALL of a spectator hurting themselves, albeit accidentally, if you hand them the doll to examine?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 5, 2013 01:21PM)
My immediate answer is NO. Michael Six Muldoon, who sits across from Rogue in the explanation, grabs the doll and literally jams the doll up and down into his hand without getting hurt. Now for our disclaimer: in the world of lawsuits, we are forced to say that if by 1 in 1,000 chances they happen to know how the trick works, and they do something outrageous with the doll then maybe. you may be pinched. I honestly could not conceive any situation that would go farther than your spectator saying "hey something felt like it pinched me" But honestly speaking NO, we care about the magicians safety just as much as the future spectators safety and if delt with proper care, no one should be getting any where near hurt.


[quote]
On 2013-11-05 14:13, SociallyAwkwardPenguin wrote:
Is there any risk AT ALL of a spectator hurting themselves, albeit accidentally, if you hand them the doll to examine?
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 5, 2013 05:30PM)
Here's the music I've played while performing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT9FovJxMQg . I'm open to hear other suggestions for creepy background music though.

I couldn't figure out how the trick was done until watching the DVD, but then after watching it but my wife noticed the gimmick after I handed it off to her. I'm thinking it'd might be nice if it came with a duplicate ungimmicked piece to hand off after performing.

I can never get the doll to rise more than a 45 degree angle though.

In any case, I think this may be the best trick of the year.

Til now, I'd say that the ProMystic tricks and UltraCinese are possibly some of the few ones out there that might pass as real magic. This doll with its creepy Voodoo feeling definitely joins that category.

When Jamie Grant does his annual "Best of the Year" tricks vote, I'll probably be voting for this one.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 5, 2013 06:33PM)
I've found with this type of effect that if you don't do it as a trick, but build a spooky presentation, you greatly reduce the chances of them wanting to examine it. Unknown/spooky things make people a bit reticent to want to hold them.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 5, 2013 07:59PM)
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On 2013-11-05 19:33, Zombie Magic wrote:
I've found with this type of effect that if you don't do it as a trick, but build a spooky presentation, you greatly reduce the chances of them wanting to examine it. Unknown/spooky things make people a bit reticent to want to hold them.
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Well said, I don't do anything as a trick (hate that word). Even tricks I add a bit of mind illusion to the presentation.

Ive performed the Okito Voodoo doll zillions of times and never been called out on it. I did however hand it out before the performance. The gimmick was pretty noticeable back then so I used some cotton dolls, lighter and glue for concealment. THe lighter I use as part of my performance with him and will be for Doll Face.

I did not notice the lighter mentioned on the DVD but I flew that segment and will need to rewatch it again. I did use sharpie which was great.

All in all a great product, one of the best this year up there with Free Energy.

PS: I have not seen Sperry but hopefully won't get a gun pulled on me for not ordering two. One is good for now, unless I lose him.

Decomposing Without a Lighter For Now
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 5, 2013 08:46PM)
Thanks but it's not necessary, I was just joking when I asked for a discount anyway. Thanks for explaining about the dvd/download cost, makes sense. But as far as a replacement doll goes, I'd pay $30 if I had to if I needed to replace mine, but is there any chance you guys might offer just the doll a little cheaper for those of us who have purchased the dvd w/doll and want a backup or replacement? Same deal was offered with Alan Rorrison's "Smoke" and other effects that need refills or replacements. We obviously don't need another dvd and it would be great to have this option.
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On 2013-10-27 13:13, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey. Van Van Private Message me the name you ordered under, and we will make sure to follow up on something special.... The Rush Delivery had a Toll on us ;/

As for the DVD Menu...This I am afraid this is 100% my fault/responsibility. Don't have much to say rather than THANK YOU for taking your time to give us Feedback on how we can go from being a Good Company to a GREAT company. I will do my best to better structure the Menu, but I am happy LOTS of people, Found the Material Useful.

Lastly, In reference to your streaming question. I think we can definitely upload a streaming option, But with the outrageous (piracy) that is affecting the magic world, protection of our streaming/downloads cost just as much as the DVD. We Are actually Launching Our STREAMING OPTION for the FIRST time in SYSTEM 6 in the following Weeks... (Little secret) We'll be doing some great FREE Downloads for the first 100 people to sign up... ;)




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On 2013-10-27 05:33, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus. ;) Looks and works great. The gimmick, while not completely invisible is well hidden. Good instructional dvd. You can believe the ad and claims made here by Six and Devonte and the praise from other purchasers.

The only criticism I have is with the dvd. It jumps back to the menu after each section plays, which is kind of annoying. Also, you can't scroll through the menu to play a certain section because it doesn't highlight or indicate which menu item you are on. It's a short dvd that I probably won't view again so I would have preferred a download to bring the price down some.

Any chance of offering just the doll a little cheaper for owners of the dvd that want a backup or replacement?
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Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 5, 2013 09:00PM)
"Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus"

Bonus? I was supposed to get a bonus??
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 5, 2013 09:09PM)
Yes, what bonus?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 5, 2013 09:10PM)
I have made several hints at (a special something) that we wanted to add into the Haunted Doll for those who waited so patiently. We are currently cross checking names, of those few people who Pre-Ordered but did not receive it before Halloween (Mostly International Buyers). In return We will be sending you a private Link either Via Email/ Café of one of Michael Six Muldoon's Creator of 6 by Six and Modern Triumph's UNRELEASED Effect. The Link will be for a Streaming Video Online, We will in fact be selling the streaming Video, in the next couple of months BUT those who waited patiently will receive it for Absolutely FREE of Charge. They Say Nothing is FREE, and your patience was your way of paying us

[quote]
On 2013-11-05 22:00, mndude wrote:
"Got mine, love it. With the rush to get them out they forgot to pack my bonus"

Bonus? I was supposed to get a bonus??
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Message: Posted by: Dallas Robbins (Nov 5, 2013 11:39PM)
All this talk has convinced me to order this. Looks way creepy and cool. I'm curious of what kind of patter people have been using. I'm thinking of a story like, I found this when I was kid while digging in a field, and I've always held on to it because of what it does. Just a general thought that I think I might develop a little more after getting the doll.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 6, 2013 09:28AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 00:39, Dallas Robbins wrote:
All this talk has convinced me to order this. Looks way creepy and cool. I'm curious of what kind of patter people have been using. I'm thinking of a story like, I found this when I was kid while digging in a field, and I've always held on to it because of what it does. Just a general thought that I think I might develop a little more after getting the doll.
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HAHA Thanks Dallas, There is literally an endless amount of presentional aspects for this! You can even go as far to add a little dirt on the doll still :)
Message: Posted by: MatCult (Nov 6, 2013 09:29AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-05 13:49, Jack Straw wrote:
It's a little hard on your hand.
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As the actress said to the bishop...
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Nov 6, 2013 09:58AM)
Haunted Doll has arrived at Saturn Magic today and I'm pleased to say it lives up to the demo, the quality is excellent and I can't see anything being spotted the gimmick is nearly invisible.

This is really nice as it's self contained requiring no set up.

Great instruction and very well made doll, overall an excellent package.

We have it listed here http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-system-6.html
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 6, 2013 11:37AM)
Just got this, and it is great. Already working on a routine with the skeleton key. This is really killer.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 6, 2013 12:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 12:37, Steven Conner wrote:
Just got this, and it is great. Already working on a routine with the skeleton key. This is really killer.
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Awesome! :) Mixing and Matching.

New Update: We have decided at System 6 Magic, to continue FREE shipping in the U.S and cheapest international rates.

For U.S. Orders we will be shipping our DVDs via 2-3 Priority all the time. Why should we save a few bucks to make you guys wait? YAY! :)

Thanks!

Six
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 6, 2013 12:10PM)
You da man, Six!

That's an excellent way to do business and make your customers happy.
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Nov 6, 2013 12:36PM)
The doll find her new french house. It is mine!
Firstly I was a little afraid by using the gimmick but after several times I have to say there is no more stress to do it.
I didn't find the "extra" you talk, for internationnal client, in the letter...

Olivier
Message: Posted by: JoshLondonMagic (Nov 6, 2013 01:11PM)
I really like this, but wondering how I can use this at corporate events and if my audience will accept it as I'm often in a suit and tie.

Also, I'm familiar with the gimmick, but does it hurt your hand?

Josh
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 6, 2013 01:23PM)
It's hard to wait.. Hurry up little doll !
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 6, 2013 02:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 14:11, JoshLondonMagic wrote:
I really like this, but wondering how I can use this at corporate events and if my audience will accept it as I'm often in a suit and tie.

Also, I'm familiar with the gimmick, but does it hurt your hand?

Josh
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I do corporate, coat and tie won't make any difference. I perform the haunted key at every show and have done so for 30 years. Will not hurt your hand.
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Nov 6, 2013 03:48PM)
This looks like the best version of this effect to date. Previously that appellation belonged to Fukai's VooDoo doll, which is no longer available.

Only out of curiosity as to the workings of this forum (and for no other reason), I will ask ... doesn't the initial post of this thread violate the the rules as stated in the topic 'FORUM RULES-READ before posting', at the top of the page? i.e., "Finally, those individuals who come to this forum expecting to receive free advertising, think again. Obvious commercial posts e.g., now taking pre-orders, Our new product will ship on ... We are offering a special if you order now, I accept PayPal, etc.) will be removed and the offending member may be banned at the discretion of management."

I am personally glad that you posted here, as it is where I came across this item. I was just wondering if the above is just a "rule" that is rarely enforced.
Message: Posted by: JoshLondonMagic (Nov 6, 2013 03:54PM)
Thanks Steven! Bought it!!!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 6, 2013 05:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 16:48, Brad Jeffers wrote:
Only out of curiosity as to the workings of this forum (and for no other reason), I will ask ... doesn't the initial post of this thread violate the the rules as stated in the topic 'FORUM RULES-READ before posting', at the top of the page? i.e., "Finally, those individuals who come to this forum expecting to receive free advertising, think again. Obvious commercial posts e.g., now taking pre-orders, Our new product will ship on ... We are offering a special if you order now, I accept PayPal, etc.) will be removed and the offending member may be banned at the discretion of management."

I am personally glad that you posted here, as it is where I came across this item. I was just wondering if the above is just a "rule" that is rarely enforced.
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I actually thought that was the reason this forum existed.

That's what happens here a good number of times in this forum.

I'm actually surprised to see those rules here, since I never bothered to read them.

Very interesting.....
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 7, 2013 06:06AM)
I second you on that Jack (second you lol, got the meaning right this time)

I Just read those rules for the first the first time, and it even says that people are PROHIBITED from reviewing the product. Doiing so can also get you banned. In that case all you guys who reviewed it are going to jail, :( haha lol "Just kidding". But I guess, "The Latest and Greatest" has been shifted in the direction that the majority of its users have intended it to go. I feel that as soon as it seems to be "SPAMMING" or "BASHING" of any given effect, that is when people will complain. I don't think any of that has gone one here, so lets continue sharing with eachother, :)

On a more positive NOTE: People have been sharing GREAT ideas on how to better present your Doll, Even going as far as charing it, some mark it, some wax it...Would love to hear some MORE ideas on how to bring character to your Doll. This may be a great way to answer "JoshLondonMagic" question about performing it in a suit.

> MY idea for JoshLondonMagic would be, to present it as though he has travelled the world performing in some exotic places in search of different Forms of magic, and that while overseess, he was given this Voodoo Doll...etc. (I don't know if this would be too taboo, for your taste)

Applesauce for everyone. :)

-Devonte
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 7, 2013 08:06AM)
This thread (I've read the entire thread) has reallv, REALLY piqued my desire to buy this item.

Still offering free shipping to the U.S.?

Posted: Nov 7, 2013 9:16am
I just noticed Penguin is not offering free shipping on this item.

So if you guys are still offering free shipping, with alacrity I'll order from you and save the four or five bucks which I really can't afford.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 7, 2013 08:25AM)
Hey, daffydoug YES, we are currently offering Free Shipping for ALL U.S orders :) Discounted International. PLUS: As a thank you for all the great feedback of everyone we have begun upgrading many Packages to 2-3 SHIPPING :) , Free of Charge of course
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 09:16, daffydoug wrote:
I just noticed Penguin is not offering free shipping on this item.

So if you guys are still offering free shipping, with alacrity I'll order from you and save the four or five bucks which I really can't afford.
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Message: Posted by: JoshLondonMagic (Nov 7, 2013 08:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 09:25, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey, daffydoug YES, we are currently offering Free Shipping for ALL U.S orders :) Discounted International. PLUS: As a thank you for all the great feedback of everyone we have begun upgrading many Packages to 2-3 SHIPPING :) , Free of Charge of course
[quote]
On 2013-11-07 09:16, daffydoug wrote:
I just noticed Penguin is not offering free shipping on this item.

So if you guys are still offering free shipping, with alacrity I'll order from you and save the four or five bucks which I really can't afford.
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Can't wait to get mine!
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 7, 2013 09:38AM)
Just placed order for my second one, yes, free shipping!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 7, 2013 10:44AM)
Ok. Looks like Penguin loses on this one. And they are usually right on it when it comes to free shipping.
Message: Posted by: smarke (Nov 7, 2013 12:09PM)
Received mine in Canada this morning, and my order is in for another. Love it.

Barry
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 7, 2013 12:43PM)
I've been monitoring this thread since day one. After reading all of the positive reviews and how great these System 6 guys have been throughout the process, I placed my order earlier today.

While I don't want to give away my entire script I've come up with, I will say American Horror Story:Coven has greatly influenced it. Happy Haunting!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 7, 2013 01:27PM)
Ok.. I just received it. Very disappointed with the quality, teaching on the DVD is horrible.. JOOOOOOOOOKE, this is one of my best magic purchase of the year !

The doll smells old, looks old, feels old.. THe gimmick is so small that you don't have to worry about it. Teaching on the DVD is superb, one negative point, I'm scared by the music on the menu.. :P You have to get the "knack" (Pretty sure it's not how this word is written ^^) but it's very easy and I just f***** love it !

I will make a video about it tomorrow, a review video, can't wait to tell good thing about it !

(Due to the shipping, my DVD case was broken, just a minor issue, the doll is safe)
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Nov 7, 2013 01:49PM)
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On a more positive NOTE: People have been sharing GREAT ideas on how to better present your Doll, Even going as far as charing it, some mark it, some wax it...Would love to hear some MORE ideas on how to bring character to your Doll.
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It would be great if they would explain exactly how they modified their doll and post a picture of it. Others would then know how to go about it and how it is going to look,
before they begin any charing, marking, waxing, etc.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 7, 2013 03:25PM)
After Reading all the great concepts and ideas with the Haunted Doll being shared, I felt it would only be right to share the song I use when I perform this in Parlor situations...

"Behold the Darkness" by Medwyn Goodall (Available on Itunes)

Hear it on Youtube here : http://youtu.be/qMfoRqbS-Ko?t=37s

When performing it walk around, I like to build up to my Haunted doll; meaning I feel it should not come across as just another "trick" For example I build up by speaking about "The different types of magic, you've got slight of hand, (Perform a Signed card to Pocket) But there are types of magic that are less spoken about, like *black magic or Voodoo* Thus introducing my Creepy souvenir while performing in Haiti. ;) AKA my Haunted Doll. The Build up helps my audience differentiate the difference between slights and what I want them to believe is more "Unexplainable Magic"


MSini : You Order will be sent Priority (2-3 Day) :) *On us/ Cuz you ROck

AlexDLF : I almost had a heart attack with your first sentence... What a relief! Happy to hear it's already *Up and working* hehe (No Pun intended) Would love to hear what presentation your gonna bring to it.

Brad Jeffers : I have written to several guys, who sent us private messages on how they have worked on their dolls, I've kindly asked them to visit this post and share there ideas (possibly with pictures)

More Love, Mas Hugs, and Applesauce for All

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: rasp (Nov 7, 2013 04:37PM)
Just read all seven pages and now I am very tempted to purchase.

Some have mentioned about a 'scream' in the advert. This got me thinking..... I have already pre-ordered 'SoundzAmazing' and this would be perfect to produce the desired scream.

Well looks like I have just talked myself into buying this whilst writing the above.......... I think 'the haunted doll' and 'soundzAmazing' are made for each other.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 7, 2013 06:55PM)
[quote]

On 2013-11-05 14:09, Devontemagic wrote:
Rogue teach's a genius tip on how to make the gimmick even more invisible in the DVD.... HINT: Sharpie/ Permanent Marker/ Lighter

[quote]

I tried using a sharpie as the DVD instructs, but some ink was getting into my skin when I used it.

Now I don't try to cover any of those things up. I actually point them out to my specs. I tell them that a vicious ex-paramour sent the doll to me, and pieces of what I believed to be my hair were attached at those points. Of course, I burned them off just to be sure, but I kept the doll for amusement.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 7, 2013 08:23PM)
As asked by Devontemagic to post ideas, here's something I did with my doll (no reveals of secrets) for my presentation of Haunted Doll;

I found a cool odd little shallow playing card box from the Salvation Army store for $1. just the right size for the doll & had some old burlap sack bag. I cut out a 7" x 10" piece,used some of my dark walnut aging dye to help give it an older look. I then used a lighter & burned all around the edges (some spots heavier than others) & then used the lighter to burn a similar stick figure in the center of the burlap with the 10" vertically, just a little larger than the doll (accidentally burned a small hole were head & cross at body & arms are, but ended up adding to the over all look).
I also lightly burned my doll in a few spots at appendage ends & a little on upper leg.

I place the doll in the center on top of the burned figure in burlap folding top down,then bottom up, then left & right sides & wrapped hemp twine around it to keep it closed & placed in box.It also to help give it a nice charred smell of the dark powers.....LoL
Before I had it wrapped in the burlap & inside the box, when I put down the box & slowly opened it up, removed & slowly unwrapped doll - I had great "what is that ?" reactions that helped the mysterious Haunted Doll effect. But after I aged,burned edges & doll impression on burlap,burned doll appendages,paint touch-upped metal ends & wrapped it back up into box & re presented it,..........got more of a "Holly Cr*p, what h3ll is that !!??!!", performed it for a few people & got outstanding reactions !!!! Just the unwrapping & seeing the doll like that & the burned impression of it on the burlap really creep-ed people out !

Definitely plan on future using it with my Witches theme with my Ipswich & WA. Such a simple little thing that brings soooooo much to an effect - creep factor 10+ ! Lov'in me my doll guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pics - Ok here are 6 links,the box & doll in burlap with burn mark on it (easier to post links to my Flickr account than resizing them);
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734814654/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734815254/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734815264/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734815934/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734816374/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merlin64389/10734817124/in/photostream/

I plan on aging the inside bottom & inner lid top, thinking of putting a burn mark of doll on inside of lid or placing a cross on top of doll & burning a neg image of cross of inside lid.......& aging the burlap a little more with some dirt
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 8, 2013 05:21AM)
That looks fabulous! Thanks for the photos!

I pushed the order button. This looks just too sweet to pass up.
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 8, 2013 06:50AM)
MerlinsMagic, That. Is. Awesome!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 8, 2013 08:56AM)
He is definitely on the right track. Creating the right atmosphere before the effect begins would surely enhance the effect, and my guess is that he would get better reactions overall simply from the fact that the spectator's mind is put into the proper frame ab initio.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 8, 2013 09:43AM)
Yes Daff that is why I made the box & wrap. I get great pre reactions from people just putting a creepy box down & then openning it up & further re enforce this. By the time I get to performing the Haunted Doll eyes are extra wide & jaws super open !

I found much greater impact from using my box to introduce/perform than when I just pulled out the doll.....for me.
Message: Posted by: Dallas Robbins (Nov 8, 2013 10:34AM)
Merlinsmagic, I love your presentation, especially how it looks burned into the burlap.

I have a small wooden box with a Celtic/ouija design on it that I plan on storing my doll in.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 8, 2013 10:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-08 11:34, Dallas Robbins wrote:
Merlinsmagic, I love your presentation, especially how it looks burned into the burlap.

I have a small wooden box with a Celtic/ouija design on it that I plan on storing my doll in.
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Thank you, yep it just helps add to the dolls "powers" being held within. Love to see a pic of your box & design !

**I've had a few members PM me requests for a similar box (& wrapping) for they're doll & I think I've found a local source for small wooden boxes just perfect for these ! Blanks for stain/aging & even burning your own design onto top of lid, checking on them physically today :)
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 8, 2013 02:59PM)
Thanks Merlin, Your the BEST :)

Now all we need is for some Major reviewers to Publicly spread all the Great Things that all of you have been saying. I think Rogue's Doll definitely has what it takes to be considered top 5 MUST buys. Anyone familiar with any trust worthy reviewers?
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 8, 2013 04:00PM)
I have placed an order on this, it seems wonderful! I love those "scary" tricks. I've been using the haunted key for a while, and it's beautiful once you learn how to do it right. With the haunted key I'm using a little extra to add some "eerieness" to it. I have a sample with 60 seconds of silence, and then a spooky whispering voice. So I start the sound on my phone. Put it in my pocket, not too high volume. Then I time the haunted key so it start to move slooowly just before the whispering starts. It almost creeps me out, even knowing the "secret" :). I guess this would add to the haunted doll too. This is the whispering sample I use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33Y2NzGhOE

Btw, does anyone know of an app which starts playing a sound "on demand", like a few seconds after knocking on the phone? It would simplify the timing :).
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 8, 2013 04:40PM)
I made a video review, it's in french but overall, I do like it a loooooooot !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm3aP-xqvrg
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 8, 2013 04:57PM)
Just got back, the blank boxes I was checking on ended up being too big, but since I have several members asking, I will hunt out some usable boxes for us.Funny thing is I do carpentry - home repair/remodeling for my base living, I preferred to find & re-use old boxes (they're just old & cool), but with requests I may end up making them (if I don't find a low cost source 1st)......LoL

If I get or make them,the box will be different than the pic as far as designs on it. Of course if I make them I can put a design on it.....
Will update here as I find boxes / blank source or end up making.

PS - Devonte, you guys's Haunted Doll gave me the inspiration to create the box/wrap idea I did, back atcha-your the best :)
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Nov 8, 2013 07:58PM)
I've had my two little buddies for a few days now and all I can say is: Powerful and Easy. If you're familiar with the trick you'll be doing it right away, and even if you're like me and have no clue you'll be performing the effect within 10 minutes. Presentational stories are almost limitless, whether spooky, funny, serious, whatever! I've even been experimenting with one in each hand(weird wording) and that gets very spooky. The best non-card effect that I have and will be used to death. And fast shipping to Oz! Well done Guys!!!
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Nov 8, 2013 08:50PM)
I collect voodoo dolls so have to have this. Just ordered.
Message: Posted by: JoshLondonMagic (Nov 8, 2013 09:06PM)
Mine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow!

I'm thinking of finding a small wooden box (about the size of a deck of cards) and keep the doll in there for walk around. So many possibilities and I love it isn't bulky like the straw ones!!!

Josh
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 8, 2013 09:19PM)
Just purchased this. Never worked "creepy" before, but it looks awesome. I look forward to playing around with it! (also making up a box/burlap holding container - great idea!)If anyone else makes soething, please post pics. I'd love to see more to spark ideas.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 8, 2013 10:22PM)
This thread is replete with so many good ideas for the effect that it almost makes my head spin.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 9, 2013 07:19AM)
HP now has this..free shipping..just ordered one. ...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 9, 2013 07:22AM)
Ahhhh! Another happy anticipator!!

It's party time, guys.
Message: Posted by: Dallas Robbins (Nov 9, 2013 09:50AM)
Here's the box I'm likely going to use along with the doll once I arrives.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108219516@N08/

I've had it for over ten years, knowing I'd use it for an effect some day, but never finding the right use. I think I picked it up in a thrift shop, so I have no idea who made it or where more can be found. No manufacturing details on the box anywhere unfortunately. I think I might use Merlinsmagic idea and also wrap up the doll inside the box.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 9, 2013 09:53AM)
Looks like a BUNCH of us are chomping at the bits, and can hardly WAIT to add this to our magical armamentarium.

I'm anxiously checking my mailbox every day. It's going to seem like an eternity.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 9, 2013 10:29AM)
Dallas, that is a super cool box !! Ya I love thrift & Salvation Army shops, I find all kinds of old wooden boxes that I re-purpose to put certain magic effects in. I have a medium supply of different sized boxes that I find, age & hold on to & always find the perfect item to put it in for presentations.

I also grab nice (& even worn) small & med silverware wood boxes & remove the cloth and dividers inside = awesome box for larger effects !
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Nov 9, 2013 11:20AM)
Man I soooooo can't wait 4 mine! Excellent thread with great ideas. Reminds me of putting together my Whitestar effect.

I went to Haiti for the earthquake recovery efforts. Obviously this can play very well with me "finding" this while there. I do have some cool Haitian statue rock pieces that I can have out with it.

Thanks everyone. This is cool!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 9, 2013 02:51PM)
What are the dimensons of the doll? I guess it's varies a bit, but roughly? I'm looking for an antique box to put him in :).
Message: Posted by: insight (Nov 9, 2013 03:14PM)
Could a hypnosis routine be used with this?

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 9, 2013 03:28PM)
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On 2013-11-09 15:51, djefvulen wrote:
What are the dimensons of the doll? I guess it's varies a bit, but roughly? I'm looking for an antique box to put him in :).
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About 2 1/2" wide x 3 1/4" tall. Best to find a box that has an interior usable area of 3" x 4" especially if you use a burlap wrap as I did......
Try checking out Walgreens type places for small wooden trinked boxes that have pics of things like SF,Golden Gate bridge,forest,flowers,etc, sand off pic & clearcoating over it, stain & WaLaa !

I just did that with a couple I found at a thrift store. Burned, scratched a few images & dents in it,stained it looks great !
Will post a pic in a bit, this one will probably be going to Daff if he likes it :)
Message: Posted by: KyleMarlett (Nov 9, 2013 03:36PM)
Hey guys

I just reviewed The Haunted Doll on the latest episode of Unwrapped

Take a look
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=527339&forum=218&52&start=30

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 9, 2013 07:24PM)
Nice review Kyle !

FYI - I started a new thread on presentation props like my box & wrap and performance routine ideas to share in Spookie;
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532032&forum=14&0

I know this thread in L & G has sprouted more of a chat about the Haunted Doll than the rules were to allow, so I thought I'd start an appropriate thread in Spookie to keep it going over there & for those with less than 50 posts that can't go downstairs yet, as we are not discussing secrets in Spookie, just props & presentations ideas for our new beloved Haunted Doll :)

-Hey mom & dad, I'm playing with a (haunted) doll & it's kewl ! LoL
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 10, 2013 06:58PM)
Well, the Haunted Doll passed the wife test. We've been together for over 32 years and I perform everything for her before before I go public with it. I give her every opportunity to discover my secrets. In this case, I allowed her to handle my Haunted Doll after I performed it for her. Her first 2 comments were Invisible Thread or magnets. I again performed it for her, she then cast aside her previous solutions of either thread or magnets and admitted she had no idea how it worked. Even after a much closer examination of the doll, she was not able to discover the Doll's secret.

So, I'm the happy owner of 2 Haunted Dolls, and perhaps 3 in the near future. Looking forward to hearing how others are presenting this effect.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 10, 2013 09:31PM)
Anything that passes the wife test is golden, man.

Posted: Nov 10, 2013 10:33pm
Also, delighted I am to hear that your wife got owned!
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 11, 2013 04:02AM)
Looks like I have to get this haha
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Nov 11, 2013 06:54AM)
The latest Saturn Product Review has Haunted Doll on it with a live performance.

Check it out here

http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/reviews.html
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 11, 2013 09:14AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-11 07:54, Saturn Magic wrote:
The latest Saturn Product Review has Haunted Doll on it with a live performance.

Check it out here

http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/reviews.html
[/quote]

WOW. Mark Traversoni working a posh gig and performing all the new effects. BRAVO!!!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 11, 2013 09:57AM)
Finally got my "Twins"
They got delivered on Friday , but I was out so had to pick them up from the post office today.
They charged me 20 euros in import tax. so all-in-all it's been a long painful birth.
Just watched the DVD so I will start practicing tomorrow.

One of the twins is going to stay exactly as he came.
Still in cellophane. Silently awaiting the call.


Steve
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 11, 2013 10:40AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-11 10:57, Stephen Young wrote:
Finally got my "Twins"
They got delivered on Friday , but I was out so had to pick them up from the post office today.
They charged me 20 euros in import tax. so all-in-all it's been a long painful birth.
Just watched the DVD so I will start practicing tomorrow.

One of the twins is going to stay exactly as he came.
Still in cellophane. Silently awaiting the call.


Steve
[/quote]

Where do you live ? Strange thing that you paid import taxe.. Maybe since you ordered 2 at the same time, the price was higher.. I slayed my family with the haunted doll, really great purchase.. Maybe one of the greatest of the year !
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 11, 2013 03:19PM)
It's been a long three day weekend. Hoping my mailbox will bring me good news tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 04:54AM)
Today is the day!!! I hope magic will happen this day!
Message: Posted by: maps (Nov 12, 2013 05:46AM)
I have been waiting for mine for the longest time.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 07:48AM)
How long?
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 12, 2013 08:33AM)
I ordered mine on Thursday afternoon and had it on Saturday.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 09:25AM)
Mine arrived this morning. Looks real nice!

The mechanics of making it rise are a piece of cake. No problem, there.

But can someone please tell me where I can get the spooky music that is used on the instructional DVD?
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 12, 2013 09:37AM)
Hey Daddydoug,
Glad your little guy arrived safe and sound.

I'm responsible for all the music chosen so I'd be glad to share with you the songs I chose. The song that plays in the trailer was

Hear it on Youtube here : http://youtu.be/qMfoRqbS-Ko?t=37s

And the song that is in the Menu Loop is the beggenkng part of Michael Jackson - Little susie

Anymore questions just shoot away :) , glad the your Haunted Doll stands up to its hype ;)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 10:25, daffydoug wrote:
Mine arrived this morning. Looks real nice!

The mechanics of making it rise are a piece of cake. No problem, there.

But can someone please tell me where I can get the spooky music that is used on the instructional DVD?
[/quote]
Hey Maps, some orders were sent back from shipping, but we have not forgotten about you. Yours has already been on its way. We thank you for your patience and are here if you need us :)

Love, Hugs and Applesauce

- Devonte
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 06:46, maps wrote:
I have been waiting for mine for the longest time.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 12, 2013 09:41AM)
Daffydoug** lol That's embarrassing
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 09:56AM)
Devonte, WHAT'S embarrassing?

Daff

Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:07am
Oh, btw, I have long searched for the perfect "ice-breaker". An effect that literally makes them ask YOU to perform an effect, instead of you approaching with the hokey "Wanna see a magic trick?"

Or even WORSE "I do magic...... (GROAN!!)

What this does is provide an eye catching prop that you can wear on a chain or leather loop around your neck that INSTANTLY prompts them to ask the question the precipitates your "impromtu" performance.

I just got it today, but I can clearly see the curiosity factor that this will engender.

Best buy of the year for me, I'd say!
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 12, 2013 10:09AM)
Is it possible to do it with "normal" - non callous hands ? And if yes, does it hurt a lot ?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 10:18AM)
Yes. My hands are not calloused, and I was able to make it rise the first time I tried.

And the pain factor is nill. There is not so much as even a quantum of pain in my hand when doing it.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 12, 2013 10:36AM)
Daffydoug, I think your exactly right! It's funny no one has spoken more about this. But Rogue shares some cool Bonus ideas and the Chain one is my favorite. It's the best way to endure challenges or magic. No better magic than that.

Dorian, Don't worry Dorian, you'll be able to do it ;)

PS: lol daffy doug If you didn't notice then even better, it was embarrassing on my part
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 12, 2013 10:38AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 10:25, daffydoug wrote:
But can someone please tell me where I can get the spooky music that is used on the instructional DVD?
[/quote]
You can also check out "Witch Hunt" by Jack Off Jill. It's spooky... :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 01:36PM)
For Dorian, there is a handling on the DVD where you simply avoid your skin alltogether and use your jeans.

Posted: Nov 12, 2013 2:38pm
BTW, I already have mine on a cord around my neck, and I plan to make the doll a PERMANENT addition to my daily attire!
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 12, 2013 01:43PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 14:38, daffydoug wrote:
BTW, I already have mine on a cord around my neck, and I plan to make the doll a PERMANENT addition to my daily attire!
[/quote]

DaffyDoug, you'll have to buy another one for the guy to the right wearing a black shirt.
Message: Posted by: CRISTIANpestritu (Nov 12, 2013 01:45PM)
That doll looks amazing! Good work with this one
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 12, 2013 02:16PM)
DaffyDoug...PLEASE if you can, could your upload a picture to the Café. I would love to see it myself, Plus Im sure everyone else would want to as well :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 12, 2013 02:20PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 14:38, daffydoug wrote:
BTW, I already have mine on a cord around my neck, and I plan to make the doll a PERMANENT addition to my daily attire!
[/quote]

That would be an amazing conversation piece. What a fantastic way to perform a piece of magic, without ever mentioning you're a magician!

:applause: :applause: :applause:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 12, 2013 02:33PM)
I received this last Friday. I have been doing the Okito doll and other versions for years. To be honest am a little sad to see this now become suddenly hot and new as it was nice being one of a few using this method :). Overall it is a very nicely made prop and I do prefer it to the straw doll version as I believe it will hold up much better being carried in your pocket, etc. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with the straw version and at more than half the cost still a viable option.

I do appreciate Rogue's thinking on presenting this and working to achieve minimal hand movement. To me this is the real value.

Much time is spent on the DVD stressing how small the gimmick is. It is small but only a fraction smaller than on the Straw Doll version and about the same size as the gimmick on Dave Powell's "Haunted Hand" which is no longer available. The gaff on Gen Grant's rising Bic pen was about half the size and I was hoping the gaff on the Haunted Doll would be closer to that size. It is perfectly workable with its' current size but in this case smaller is better. Fukai's Okito Doll also had a smaller gaff.

I like the thinking on disguising the gaff but in fairness when you "put the work" on the ends of the straw version it is probally even more hidden.

Ultimately I like this version and Rogue's tips are valuable. I do think the size of the gaff and how well it is disguised compared to the competitor's may be a little stretched. My opinion only. With any version the key is to work with it so you can do it confidently with minimal hand movement. The great Charlie Miller used do a very entertaining routine with a pencil version.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 03:46PM)
First time I went out wearing it, I was in a store and the FIRST person I ran into accosted me with "That's a nice cross your wearing!" I replied, "It responds to music. They say it's haunted." and BAM, I was right into the routine. Left them with eyes wide as saucers.

Posted: Nov 12, 2013 5:44pm
Could get adventitious bookings from wearing this. Possibly. Imagine you are out going about your daily business, and someone does you like they did in my above post. Then that leads to them asking "Do you do parties?" So, ideally, they get your business card, and you end up getting booked for a show. Wow! You end up with a show and some dough, all because you were diligent in wearing your business around your neck.

Cool, huh?

Posted: Nov 12, 2013 5:45pm
So the haunted doll could be worth it's weight in gold.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 12, 2013 04:47PM)
Hope it doesn't get TOO hyped so everyone gets one as a fashion statement. At least not a gimmicked one... :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 07:44PM)
Good point. The one guy today referred to it as a "cross".

Maybe it needs a semblance of a face.

Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:57pm
I have been cerebratiing on this, and let me offer one more thought: The doll bring a stickman, as it is, would be a PERFECT lead in to ANY effect you may have in your repertoire that involves a stickman. How many do you know? Personally, I know a healthy quantum of effects that involve stickmen.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 12, 2013 09:20PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 20:44, daffydoug wrote:
The one guy today referred to it as a "cross".
[/quote]

I see this as a very good thing...adds to the mystery...and, you can spin it anyway you want to.

To those folks asking if this will function if the user has un-calloused hands, well, assuming you are familiar with the workings, this version comes the closest I've ever seen to addressing that issue. The workings are tiny and thin, yet perfectly engineered to handle the job at hand.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 12, 2013 10:40PM)
Job at hand? Pun intentional? :)
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 13, 2013 12:02AM)
Shall we "stick" to the subject at hand.....LoL, Pun's - life's frugal jesting of thoughts........ :)
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 13, 2013 12:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-12 21:57, daffydoug wrote:
I have been cerebratiing on this, and let me offer one more thought: The doll bring a stickman, as it is, would be a PERFECT lead in to ANY effect you may have in your repertoire that involves a stickman. How many do you know? Personally, I know a healthy quantum of effects that involve stickmen.
[/quote]
I have some stickman effects but I don't think I've actually ever used any, I'll have to dig them out and take a look. Then there's [url=http://www.bicyclecards.com/products/playing-card/bicycle-stick-man]these[/url]. I picked up a deck a few weeks ago. The stickmen animate when you flip through the cards. Might be something there to use.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 13, 2013 06:12AM)
That looks pretty cool!

I'm thinking about what stickman effects I have. Let me see now. There's Dan Harlan's "Card Toon", Sankey's "Great Detective", Richard Sanders "Stickman Five", and the list goes on.

I used to own an effect called "Stickman Levitation", where a stickman drawn on the back of a playing card levitates off the card, but I no longer have it. But that would be perfect.

Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:16am
But I do want to say that owning this effect (Haunted Doll) will definitely brighten your day and your life, because as long as you have it, you always have the prospect of performing random acts of magic for strangers everywhere you go.

Definitely my top purchase of the year.

Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:18am
Stickman Levitation link: http://www.williamsmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14743

Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:07am
What happened to the thread? It's grown so quiet in here! I can almost hear an echo!

I have a little presentation idea for the haunted doll. Just a bit of fun you can have if you want to play with people's minds.

Here it is. When the doll first begins to rise, mime as if you are pulling an invisible thread. (As in the old effect where you cause the head to pop off a match)

Do that for a couple seconds. Fake them out a time or two as it begins to rise a little bit and then drops back down.

Then when they have it in their mind that "Oh! It's attached to a thread!", take your hand completely away and do the full rise!

So in other words you set them up to conclude the method, then you pull the rug out from under their feet!

Muhuwah ha ha!!!!

Another idea for the music (and I really do like the Michael Jackson intro) is the Twilight Zone theme, if it can be gotten on Mp3.

I think that would fit really good!

OK dudes. I'm outta here. Off to play with dolls.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 13, 2013 09:42AM)
Had the opportunity to check this out recently. The build quality is amazing. The attention to detail is quite good. I especially like that metal "rivets" or "nail heads" that are on the ends of the extremities to further camouflage the gimmick. Very neat. Unfortunately, the shop I was in hadn't processed the incoming inventory, so they were not yet available for purchase. Ugh. That's what you get when you show up 15 minutes before closing.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 13, 2013 10:20AM)
I downloaded the Twilight Zone theme. Very appropros for this effect. Am considering purchasing the X-files theme. Then I checked my I-pod and discovered that I had some music that Copperfield had used which gives the performance an entirely different flavor.

I found a VERY laid back instrumental cover of "Over The Rainbow", (

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU1pxPx0sFY&feature=youtube_gdata_player ) which I had uploaded to Ytube years ago. This one is slow and adds a very relaxing "drifty" type ambience to the performance.

So the musical choices are manifold! I guess it all depends on exactly what kind of mood you want to create when you do the performance.

It should be lots of fun to experiment and see how your spectators respond to various musical backgrounds.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 13, 2013 11:44AM)
Finally got my doll today! Very nice and good looking. The only negative for me is that it is made for left-handers. I know you can use it in both hands, but it works best in my right hand (which feels wrong, as I'm right-handed). I also need to practice a bit, it was a bit harder than I first thought, but nothing I won't learn in a few days I guess. :)
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Nov 13, 2013 01:33PM)
If I had this effect I would use the theme from the TV show "House". When I had "Little Man" I used it for that effect and it was perfect.

Ron
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 13, 2013 01:34PM)
I've never heard that tune.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 13, 2013 01:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 12:44, djefvulen wrote:
Finally got my doll today! Very nice and good looking. The only negative for me is that it is made for left-handers. I know you can use it in both hands, but it works best in my right hand (which feels wrong, as I'm right-handed). I also need to practice a bit, it was a bit harder than I first thought, but nothing I won't learn in a few days I guess. :)
[/quote]

Serious? I thought majority of people are right handed and it would make sense to make it for right hand no?
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 13, 2013 02:06PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 14:49, cricketer15 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 12:44, djefvulen wrote:
Finally got my doll today! Very nice and good looking. The only negative for me is that it is made for left-handers. I know you can use it in both hands, but it works best in my right hand (which feels wrong, as I'm right-handed). I also need to practice a bit, it was a bit harder than I first thought, but nothing I won't learn in a few days I guess. :)
[/quote]

Serious? I thought majority of people are right handed and it would make sense to make it for right hand no?
[/quote]
Well, as I said I'm right handed, but it feels wrong. I want to use my right hand to do magic "gestures", as it feels totally wrong doing it with my left hand. Also, as right handed I have more control in my right hand, which - for me - is required to "attach" the doll to my other hand. Doing it with the left hand feels a bit clumsy for me. I guess that's why I need some practice.

It's a little like hammering a nail. A right handed person holds the hammer in the right hand and the nail in the left hand. Doing the Haunted Doll in the wrong hand feels a little like hammering a nail holding the hammer in the left hand and the nail in the right hand.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 13, 2013 02:18PM)
I do this effect in my left hand all the time. It is just a matter of adjusting your body position when performing. Actually thier is really very little risk of a spectator seeing anything anyway. I have done the effect many times (not as much as Rogue!) and have never had a spectator mention seeing anything. Work on using minimal hand movement and you will be fine. In the past I would usually end with the doll relaxing back down on my hand... have tried Rogue's idea of asking the spectator to take the doll and it gets a great reaction.

Can tell you from experience that children love this effect! Having them wave thier hand over it saying "Wake Up" and then "Go To Sleep' will get you many "Can We do That Again!"

John
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 13, 2013 04:17PM)
Hey Guys, So couple of Things...

DaffyDoug: Your the Man...We've passed on some of the great work you've been doing with the Doll with Rogue the creator, And Rogue say's "You Make him proud"...Truth be told you make us all proud. Great to see someone Add there own twist on things. Same Way MerlinMagic and Bart have done aswell. That being said I love the idea of possibly having it as a KeyChain. We are now working to see if that is something we would consider doing a limited release on. A Compact Small Voodoo Doll that hangs on your Keychain, For those who might forget to wear it, they wont forget their keys.

mrmagic0: You said "IF" you had this effect :/ ....I think it's time you joined the dark side hehe, and turn that IF into a "I OWN ONE"

djefvulen: Hey buddy, I'm a little confused as I am also Right Handed and I perform it on my Right hand. The Doll, wasn't made for any specific hand, Just a little concerned that people may think that the Haunted Doll only works on your Left hand. I want to make it CLEAR that the Doll is GOOD to be performed on EITHER Hand (LEFT or RIGHT). Either way the Doll is reversible. Rogue Mentions in the DVD, about performing it on either Hand. But here is a tip someone mentioned in a Private message to me. And that is that you can physically turn the gimmick to face in any direction that you desire. Hope this helps, Glad you're enjoying the Doll :)

Love, Hugs, Applesauce

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 13, 2013 05:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-13 17:17, Devontemagic wrote:
djefvulen: Hey buddy, I'm a little confused as I am also Right Handed and I perform it on my Right hand. The Doll, wasn't made for any specific hand, Just a little concerned that people may think that the Haunted Doll only works on your Left hand. I want to make it CLEAR that the Doll is GOOD to be performed on EITHER Hand (LEFT or RIGHT). Either way the Doll is reversible. Rogue Mentions in the DVD, about performing it on either Hand. But here is a tip someone mentioned in a Private message to me. And that is that you can physically turn the gimmick to face in any direction that you desire. Hope this helps, Glad you're enjoying the Doll :)
[/quote]
Well, as a right-handie I don't feel as comfortable using the doll in my right hand as in my left. I prefer using it in my left hand. And as I said, I know it's possible. Still I feel the doll is better suited to use in the right hand as it makes it impossible to see anything suspicious that way, as you use your left hand to block the only possible narrow angle where someone COULD spot anything. It's not anything major, but as the doll comes, it is a bit better suited to be used in the right hand, that's all I'm saying. I was thinking of "converting" the doll, but I don't want to brake it :). That said, I will be performing it in my left hand, and I won't worry too much about anyone noticing anything suspicious. I agree it's no biggie - it's perfectly usable for both hands, with a slight advantage for using it in your right hand. Wouldn't it be possible to use two "gimmicks" on the doll? Instead of a p** it could use a second h***. Then you could use it equally in whatever hand you prefer?

Also, I think I was the first one to share the idea of hanging the doll around your neck in the thread "Presentation props (boxes/wraps) & ideas to use with System 6 Haunted Doll" on the first page, but you're giving the credit to daffydoug :). Anyway, I love the Haunted Doll, and would love a keychain-version :).
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 13, 2013 08:26PM)
Not that it really makes any difference, I'm right handed and perform HD in my left hand. Just feels better to me in my left hand. I've performed HD in public now about 3 dozen times, give or take a few and haven't had any negative issues.
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Nov 14, 2013 03:28AM)
Daffydoug, the necklace idea is pure gold!! I too never mention that I perform magic, and even resist the idea of using the word 'magic'. The fact that the other person sets you up for the performance though IS pure magic!
djefvulen, I've had no problem performing this either lefty or righty, but I have to admit that playing guitar for 25 years has lead me to having an arsenal of dexterity at my fingertips, so to speak.
This is the buy of the year for sure, and this thread is brilliant for developing ideas.
I just hope this doesn't become too popular, but here in Oz I feel pretty safe from overkill.
Keep on rockin' the dolls guys!!
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 14, 2013 05:59AM)
You know what would be really cool? If someone would answer my question I've posted 3 times about whether a replacement/backup doll will be offered a little cheaper w/o the dvd for those who have already purchased the doll w/dvd.

[quote]
On 2013-11-13 17:17, Devontemagic wrote:
I love the idea of possibly having it as a KeyChain. We are now working to see if that is something we would consider doing a limited release on. A Compact Small Voodoo Doll that hangs on your Keychain, For those who might forget to wear it, they wont forget their keys.
[/quote]
Not a great idea IMO.
#1 It's already about as small as it needs to be, any smaller and it's going to start being difficult for spectators to see and appreciate unless their face is inches from your hand. I would actually like to see a larger version.
#2 While wearing the doll as a necklace would look pretty cool and interesting and be a conversation starter, I think having it on a keychain would reduce it to looking like a cheesy souvenir or toy instead of something that could be real and have strange and unusual powers or properties.
Just my .02, your mileage may vary.

As far as the left/right hand issue mentioned, I do it in both, and sometimes even with the doll rising towards the spectators instead of towards me. I'm right-handed and usually do it in that hand but it doesn't seem awkward or strange either way.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 14, 2013 11:11AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 06:59, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
You know what would be really cool? If someone would answer my question I've posted 3 times about whether a replacement/backup doll will be offered a little cheaper w/o the dvd for those who have already purchased the doll w/dvd.

[quote]
On 2013-11-13 17:17, Devontemagic wrote:
I love the idea of possibly having it as a KeyChain. We are now working to see if that is something we would consider doing a limited release on. A Compact Small Voodoo Doll that hangs on your Keychain, For those who might forget to wear it, they wont forget their keys.
[/quote]
Not a great idea IMO.
#1 It's already about as small as it needs to be, any smaller and it's going to start being difficult for spectators to see and appreciate unless their face is inches from your hand. I would actually like to see a larger version.
#2 While wearing the doll as a necklace would look pretty cool and interesting and be a conversation starter, I think having it on a keychain would reduce it to looking like a cheesy souvenir or toy instead of something that could be real and have strange and unusual powers or properties.
Just my .02, your mileage may vary.

As far as the left/right hand issue mentioned, I do it in both, and sometimes even with the doll rising towards the spectators instead of towards me. I'm right-handed and usually do it in that hand but it doesn't seem awkward or strange either way.
[/quote]


Hey! That question was answered pages back by Devonte I believe, we are not at the moment considering offering replacement dolls. I know Murphys Magic does not sell a lot of refills, or is there even a market for it usually. I considered doing a special with System 6 but we also have to be respectful of other dealers. Its a lot of politics and etc and the cost wouldnt even drop much as the disk itself is the the most affordable portion of the production process. Yet, we would have to create some kind of box for it, and would just maintain the same price point. A lot of it is just numbers, very sorry about that!


Just a quick update: I have been delayed with fulfilling orders electronically through our site, but all orders have been shipping on time, I just havent been able to go into the system and add tracking. So anyone who ordered over the last week, most have their orders already and for international orders the update sent was just the tracking and packages have been sent since Tuesday. (Monday was a holiday)

Peace, love and applesauce,

Six
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 14, 2013 11:36AM)
Personally I don't need another dvd when I order my second one,but the packaging is what it is & you deserve the $29.95 for the doll alone ! I know what it's like to hand create & the time to find,get materials,let alone hand make something like this + shoot,edit & make dvd's & sleeves & postage.......$30 bucks - it's a steal of a deal !!!!!!

& the versatility of this little guy,pull it out ya pocket (excuse me while I whip this out-LoL),put it on a necklace,pull it out a box (& wrapping :), perform it by itself or intertwine with other effects in a theme (like a Witches,Voodoo,etc) for a longer performance......all in all, this has been a no-let down pre ordered effect released & sent express on time as promised !!!!! Now how many times does that happen.....

We know we can't please everyone & it was going to happen that a couple may not like or review it well on any site/store, but I haven't seen any 4 sale here yet :)
Message: Posted by: Libertus (Nov 14, 2013 04:46PM)
I will be putting in an order tomorrow - hope it does not disappoint. I am a teenager so Il be using this on other pals and people in my school. Should be perfect on the ladies.

I also want to take this chance to give a big thanks and applause to Mark Traversoni. This man is a true gentlemen and I have NEVER been unhappy with their services. I literally email him and I always get a reply back in within minutes. It's crazy (do you even sleep Mark!?).. but Saturn Magic guys are awesome! If you're in the UK and want a good service with fantastic support, I recommend Saturn Magic.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 14, 2013 05:26PM)
This effect makes me think of the old "Hypno Heat" chemical. I remember it being deemed unsafe for a number of reasons many years ago. However, I've seen Criss Angel do it recently, and a know a few years ago someone did it to Howard Stern on the radio/television. I read in another (dead) thread that it had bee re-invented in a safer form. Anyone know more?

It would be great to follow this trick up by taking a cigarette lighter to the hand of your voodoo doll and have it "burn" your spectator (if that's a safe effect yet).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 14, 2013 05:38PM)
Just got mine ordered .I can't wait...
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 05:58PM)
LIke to perform magic? Do you wat to destroy people? Then get The Haunted Doll by Rogue and System6 and you will do just that. The look, size, construction and secret are all perfection! They took something that was a Chevrolet Chevette ( it ran, but looked horrible ) and turned it into a Porsche 918 Spyder! )

In case you haven't seen the trailer:

http://www.system6magic.com/collections/tricks/products/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-and-system-6

The improvements over the Okito Doll are measurable. The Haunted Doll looks spooky and the modus operandi is cleverly masked. You can open the DVD case and perform it immediately. And you will perform it. And people will be mesmerized by it.

Magic Café member daffydoug's idea of putting it on a cord around your neck is brilliant You will be hard pressed to encounter anyone that doesn't make a comment on it. Then it's up to you if you want to perform it ( I say that because almost everyone will make comments and you may not want to always do something ).

Do you like to perform magic for a hobby, but don't want to take out cards or coins in hopes they will want to see a trick? Wear the Haunted Doll and you'll be performing a stellar piece of magic without being asked or even mentioning that you're a Magician. What you do after is up to you, but you'd better have something spectacular ( Justin Miller's Ring Slide, or Legend, things like that ).

I think the Haunted Doll is best performed silent. It really speaks volumes without having to say a word. Now, it is a conversation piece, so I made make up a short New Orleans type story to answer their question of what it is.

The DVD is very well done and broken down into segments:

Introduction by Rogue ( I like him ).

The Secret

Improvements

Handling

Performance Tips

Performances

Bonus Idea ( done on your leg ).
Message: Posted by: havagrim (Nov 14, 2013 06:21PM)
Just got my doll.. Really impressed. Did it for my wife today after playing with it for an hour to get a good hand placement etc.. Really cool and she was very impressed. Let her check the doll but she didn't find anything fishy ;)

I have a question tho. The gimmick is very loose for me.. Anyone else have this? Is it supposed to be very loose? I was considering finding a good spot I will use in a fixed hand, and just glueing it.. But not sure if its a dumb thing, as it might be hard to do it in the other hand if I do..

Hmm, tips and suggestions is welcome on how to make it less loose? :)

And if you don't have it. Get it! Its awesome! :)
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 14, 2013 06:25PM)
Zombie Magic : WOW! This Write up is even better than the original! Definitely more descriptive and exactly what buyers need to know. With your permission I would to personally switch our ad copy for yours, I would also love to send this out to all of our vendors along with TON 'a of the great quotes that some of the Real Users have given it here on the Café. This has not had the marketing dollars behind it like we would have liked it to, but I feel The people have spoken! I feel the Haunted Doll iHas become a Winner by peoples Choice. :) WOOHOOO

Love, Hugs, And Applesauce.

- Devonte

Hey Havegrim,

I have your answer: Rogue himself says he places a very small drop of Crazy Glue on the gimmick, after he's adjusted it as he likes. The doll is made to have the gimmick me movable but should hold its place while performing as to not interrupt in the performance. So once again a YES, a small drop of Crazy glue will do the trick, Rogue says he does this every other month or so, Keep in mind Rogue performs the Haunted Doll hundreds of times along with "sharpien-ing" up the appendages.
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On 2013-11-14 19:21, havagrim wrote:
Just got my doll.. Really impressed. Did it for my wife today after playing with it for an hour to get a good hand placement etc.. Really cool and she was very impressed. Let her check the doll but she didn't find anything fishy ;)

I have a question tho. The gimmick is very loose for me.. Anyone else have this? Is it supposed to be very loose? I was considering finding a good spot I will use in a fixed hand, and just glueing it.. But not sure if its a dumb thing, as it might be hard to do it in the other hand if I do..

Hmm, tips and suggestions is welcome on how to make it less loose? :)

And if you don't have it. Get it! Its awesome! :)
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Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 14, 2013 06:59PM)
Just ordered this off penguin along with a few other tricks, cannot wait to receive this ahhhhh!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 14, 2013 07:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 19:25, Devontemagic wrote:
Zombie Magic : WOW! This Write up is even better than the original! Definitely more descriptive and exactly what buyers need to know. With your permission I would to personally switch our ad copy for yours,
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When I was a kid I worked for Al Paul Lefton ( one of the great ad men ). Feel free to use what you can.

For those that want to add a bit more of a spooky element to their performance, I'll share what I do. It might not be for everyone, but it's been very effective for me.

I recite an incantation, silently to myself, just barely moving my lips as if I'm communicating to the eerie figure. And the Haunted Doll starts to rise!

In my mind I hear Colin Clive claiming "It’s alive … it’s moving. It’s alive. It’s alive! It’s alive! It’s alive! It’s alive!"

[img]http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/10/frankenstein.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 12:06AM)
I've been sick in bed all day, but my haunted doll is on the stand next to me where I can see it, so I can dream about getting out of this sick-bed soon and getting out where autonomous carbon units  are milling about, performing  their dreary,  meager, mundane tasks, so that I can wow the pants off of mere humans . 

I don't know how else to say it, but this effect has had a definite BRIGHTENING effect on my life. If you are like I am and live to perform random acts of magic everywhere you go, but you despise "begging" people to "see some magic" (and God forbid you pull out a deck of cards ), then H.D. will fill that niche, and fill it wonderfully. 

Having it on you, especially as a necklace, will give you the confidence that every day you live will be filled with the thing that brings you the most happiness, It will DEFINITELY brighten your days.

And as I mentioned earlier, when people find out about your magical skills, there is a good chance that you are going to run into someone who will say "Hey! We've been looking for a magician for our upcoming ...."

So in effect, the H.D. is superior than carrying around business cards. What business cards do you know that will leave this kind of memorable impression? 

They may forget a business card, but the doll will leave an indelible impression that will set you apart. 

Trust me, when you get it, you will be a man on a mission, and you will have what you need to fulfill that mission.

Kudos to Devonte and System 6 for releasing this gem to the magic community.

This is the GOOD STUFF, man!

Daff

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 15, 2013 03:14AM)
Got mine tonight. Here's my two cents...

I wasn't familiar with the method, but after reading all the posts about the effect, I had an idea what to expect. That said, the great reviews & especially the ideas about personalizing it was what sold me originally...

When I first opened the DVD case I had moment of trepidation, as I was worried that I would need "special skin" or even that there may have been a little too much "Magic Café" hype going down on all the treads. I watched the The Secret on the DVD, and then attempted to do the effect a few times...and failed miserably.

I don't want to give away the secret, but for my first attempts, I definitely had trouble "sticking the landing". Little did I know that this was purely due to my own trepidation...

Initially feeling a little disappointed, I continued to watch the DVD's Handling & Performance Tips. While I enjoyed the candid talk Six & Rogue shared about the effect, part of me was still salty that I couldn't play with it perfectly "right out of the box". Little did I know that it would soon all make sense...

As I watched the Performances section, I casually played around with different placements in my hand. After awhile, I realized that the gimmick seemed to look a little more "vicious" then it's "bite", and decided to just "go for it" (you'll know what I mean if you watch the DVD). After I decided to just stick the landing without fear, it worked perfectly!!!

Once I got over my initial trepidation, a light-bulb clicked, and it immediately became super easy! This thing is so fun to play with!!! This might not make sense unless you have it, but once you have it set in place, you can basically "will" it to rise - and it looks awesome! I've literally have made it rise perfectly 30-40 times in a row just sitting hear reading all the threads. It's become second nature, and every time it's still fun to do.

As for any pain - just don't worry about it! That was my problem from the start, but once I realized it's really nothing at all, the effect seemed to work almost "magically".
As for personalizing it, I took a sharpie & colored the ends, and then I took a lighter & burned them. The charred effect looks AWESOME! I'm looking at it now & the thing just looks spooky as sh*t! lol

I can't wait to visit some thrift stores & flea markets to find the perfect vessel to char up & hold this thing in. Put some burlap in there, some twine, a little dirt and scorch marks, and this thing is creepy as hell.

To wrap this up. I just got this tonight & already have thirty bucks of enjoyment from just practice (I think there is an Allen Iverson joke there, but I'm not sure magicians would get it..). If you think this type of effect would work for you, just buy it...it's money WELL spent. Once it "clicks" it's super easy, and super cool. My only hope is that you put the time into making the effect a "performance" - as it really deserves to be one.

PS: This might sound like "spooky" hype, but I had a serious case of deja vu while practicing with the Haunted Doll!... I don't every recall owning either of the previous incarnations (if I did, it would of had to be over thirty years ago, and I'm nearly forty), but while practicing with the doll I had a huge eerie sense of doing so before. I mean, it was REALLY strong. Like I would swear I had practiced working with that type of gimmick before, but can't recall doing so whatsoever..). Not sure what that means, but nether-the-less you can now call me a huge fan of the effect. I'll be posting pics when I find the perfect "home" for it.
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 15, 2013 06:30AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 04:14, axcreations1 wrote:



To wrap this up. I just got this tonight & already have thirty bucks of enjoyment from just practice (I think there is an Allen Iverson joke there, but I'm not sure magicians would get it..).

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Not the game! We talkin' bout practice man. I mean, how silly is that?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 07:16AM)
                            
Daff here again from sick-bed central. The first day I owned the doll and took him out in public for his debut, after a day of blowing mere mortals away, I went home, and when I had gotten inside the house, I looked down at my necklace, and to my horror, it was bare! 

The spooky little guy had detached himself and fallen off SOMEWHERE in the big, vast world, and I PANICKED! 

If you've ever had a child come up missing, then you know what I am describing. Thoughts of his little face on a milk carton somewhere filled my mind! Finding him again was truly going to be like the proverbial needle in the haystack. Even worse, if someone had stepped on him, he could be seriously injured and perhaps suffer from serious crushing injuries. 

It was dark so I took a flashlight and began to search the pathway from the doorstep to our vehicle. It was strewn with sticks and fallen leaves, and due to his similitude to a stick, I suspected that he would blend in, and finding him could be a hopeless endeavor. 

Time passed. A good half hour went by. My heart was beating fast, and my eyes were on the verge of tears, when suddenly I spotted the little guy on the ground among the leaves and sticks next to the car door where I had gotten out! 

My relief was was indescribable as my trembling fingers  gently picked him up and brought him once again into the safety and warmth of the house. 

The little guy was obviously scared half out of his wits, shivering with cold, but at least he was safe. 

It was almost immediately after that, that my sickness struck, nailing me to this bed. but as I said, little creepy Carl  is safe now, on my stand within reach. 

But my next worry is that I hope he doesn't catch whatever I have. Pray for him.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 07:31AM)
Ok I performed the Haunted Doll in public for the first time today. It was awesome! They tried to find out how it worked, and finally decided I had a magnet implanted in my hand. I let them examine the doll and they didn't find any gimmick. Also I did it in both my left and right hand. They insisted I had to do it "just one more time!". I did it about 8-10 times in a row in different hands, and no one noticed anything. So lets say it's foolproof from any angle in any hand. If you don't know where to look, the gimmick is impossible to find. If you know where it is, it's easy to believe others will find it too, but they won't :).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 15, 2013 07:50AM)
Reading these post is making it
harder to wait for this little gem.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 08:59AM)
DJ ,

Glad to hear about your success!

Sounds like you really had 'em going! They concluded the ol' magnet in the hand, eh? Lol!

Curious about the demographic of your performance. What age group were they, etc?
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 09:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 09:59, daffydoug wrote:
DJ ,

Glad to hear about your success!

Sounds like you really had 'em going! They concluded the ol' magnet in the hand, eh? Lol!

Curious about the demographic of your performance. What age group were they, etc?
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They were somewhere between 15-18 years old, and one of them was about 50. A teacher and a group of her students :).
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 15, 2013 09:31AM)
Got mine.. I chose to examine it before I watched the dvd,
and couldn't find any 'secret parts.' ..
When I gave up and watched the dvd, I said, 'How the heck did I
miss that?' .. :) .. So I would not have a problem handing it
out. .. Great job, sir. ...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 10:26AM)
Now the fun part begins!
Message: Posted by: Libertus (Nov 15, 2013 10:49AM)
ORDERED from Saturn Magic.

If this trick is as good as people say it is.. I am going to have a great time freaking out people at the college.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 11:07AM)
Take it from the ol' Daffer, it IS as good as we are saying, and you are going to have a blast!
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 15, 2013 11:46AM)
Hey Daff (& HD members), after reading your post about almost loosing your lil guy, not sure how your attaching your HD to your necklace, but I just figured a simple way to keep mine attached without the original way I used to secure mine. I was having prob's with making sure my HD was secure but easy to remove & replace without tying/untying-retying....... I used a small 1/4" metal ring from a key fob. I slide ring onto leather necklace up about 2"'s, put the doll in it with necklace/strap under arms-around front of waist/chest with lace leads at rear & up over your head/neck. Slide the little metal ring behind to back of HD - Wallah ! Secured on necklace & easy / fast to remove,perform & replace :)

& just finished 2nd HD box with old Witch alphabet Thaben Script,warning & protection spells engraved on it :) Will post some new pics later tonight.
Getting ready to hit the Harvest festival today with the wife & see if the holiday spirits might be extra playful there :)
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 15, 2013 12:11PM)
HD is everything claimed to be and more! Couldn't be happier with my purchase of HD, in fact, purchased another one and considering purchasing one more. Still working on my presentation of the HD. Earlier in this thread "smoke" was mentioned, which seems like a great idea. Has anyone worked out the "smoke" idea yet? If so, any recommendations as to what "smoke" product would work best in conjunction with HD?
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 15, 2013 12:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:11, nonvpro wrote:
HD is everything claimed to be and more! Couldn't be happier with my purchase of HD, in fact, purchased another one and considering purchasing one more. Still working on my presentation of the HD. Earlier in this thread "smoke" was mentioned, which seems like a great idea. Has anyone worked out the "smoke" idea yet? If so, any recommendations as to what "smoke" product would work best in conjunction with HD?
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Yes it is & I have continous fun exploring the more !!
I have not yet tried the smoke suggestion, but if / when I do, I woll use my good'ol Magic Smoke V2.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 12:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:11, nonvpro wrote:
HD is everything claimed to be and more! Couldn't be happier with my purchase of HD, in fact, purchased another one and considering purchasing one more. Still working on my presentation of the HD. Earlier in this thread "smoke" was mentioned, which seems like a great idea. Has anyone worked out the "smoke" idea yet? If so, any recommendations as to what "smoke" product would work best in conjunction with HD?
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I think the gimmick included with Smoke by Alan Rorrison could come in handy. Blow some smoke over the doll and it comes to life. You'll need an excuse to use the gimmick, but that would not be too hard to come up with.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 15, 2013 12:58PM)
Pertaining to the smoke idea. Is there a specific smoke product that would deliver smoke as if it were emanating directly from the hand holding the HD as it begins to animate?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 15, 2013 01:06PM)
Like the necklace idea. There is a trick by Gregory Wilson called Unleashed which uses a dogtag on a necklace and you can do vanishes, penetrations, etc. I originally bought that primarily for the very reason Daff states, because I thought the necklace may prompt people to ask about it and then they bring it up rather than you having to like with Daff's necklace. That got me thinking, maybe you could combine some of the unleashed principles and add that to the HD effect. Would need to buy the extra things necessary and do some slight modifications but it may work. I have the doll on order and will play around with it and determine whether I think it will add anything or detract from the original effect. I love having new ideas to play around with though. I get as much enjoyment out of working these things out as actually performing.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 01:12PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 13:58, nonvpro wrote:
Pertaining to the smoke idea. Is there a specific smoke product that would deliver smoke as if it were emanating directly from the hand holding the HD as it begins to animate?
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I think PureSmoke would be what you're looking for, pretty expensive, and a little hard to use sleeveless.

Edit: BTW, I think those discussions should take place in this thread instead of here maybe?
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532032&forum=14&start=0
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 01:44PM)
I would like to see a photo of the ring securing the doll. I think that would clarify things.

In the meantime, I have tied a little noose on my cord, and I have Creepy Carl in the noose, and hopefully he will be secure.

I haven't gotten out of the house since I've been sick, but I'm hoping to be up and back on my feet and test out the noose idea.

The last time I purchased a smoke product was many, many years ago when Paul Harris put out "Portable Smoke", but with all the products on the market these days, I am hopelessly mired in confusion as to which one would be the better expenditure.

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Ok. I'm back again with one more idea I'd like to record here for posterity.
Now don't get me wrong, the routine as it is, is fabulous. But I've been playing with different musical ideas. As I said, the musical piece you choose to back it up with creates the ambience you desire, whether you want it to be spooky or dramatic.

A couple pieces I've been working with are "East Of Eden", which Copperfield used in his flying illusion, and "Cousin's Love Theme", by Angelo Badalamenti. That's the one David used for his "Grandfather's Aces" routine.

These themes are wonderful and start out slow, then after a couple minutes they swell into a beautiful crescendo.
The problem is that they are too long for this effect. Not much happens except the doll stands up on your hand. It's kind of hard to match that up with a lot of dramatic build, music wise.

Then the light went on above my head. It suddenly occurred to me that the routine could be extended if one has any chops with some of Steve Fearson's hookups.

I have the DVD that Steve put out which goes into detail about i.t. work. It's called the "Master Levitation System."

My idea is this: After you've done the standard rise from your hand, and you have PROVED to them beyond a shadow of a doubt they there are no threads involved, then, you sneaky little devil, you knock their socks off by taking the "threadless" doll back, and you secretly do your attachment and go into a variation of Fearson's "Floating Cigarette", using the doll instead of a cigarette.

Now if you want to use the dramatic music that builds, you are free to go about it like the true master of magic that you are, because the floating routine gives you much more creative freedom.

Of course, once again, at the end secretly detach the i.t. , and they can once again see that the doll and routine has "no strings attached.

Finis.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 03:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 16:33, daffydoug wrote:
Then the light went on above my head. It suddenly occurred to me that the routine could be extended if one has any chops with some of Steve Fearson's hookups. 

I have the DVD that Steve put out which goes into detail about i.t. work. It's called the "Master  Levitation  System."

My idea is this: After you've done the standard rise from your hand, and you have PROVED to them beyond a shadow of a doubt they there are no threads involved, then,  you sneaky little devil, you knock their socks off by taking the "threadless" doll back, and you secretly do your attachment and go into a variation of Fearson's "Floating Cigarette",  using the doll instead of a cigarette. 

Now if you want to use  the dramatic music that builds, you are free to go about it like the true master of magic that you are, because the floating routine gives you much more creative freedom.

Of course, once again, at the end secretly detach the i.t. , and they can once again see that the doll and routine has "no strings attached.

Finis.
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That sounds a lot like my idea in the other thread here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532032&forum=14&start=30

But I was thinking of first doing the IT and then remove it. You could open the box and let the doll rise up in the air with the Fearson-hookup. Let it land in your hand, remove the thread and then let it stand up in your hand, and finally letting a spectator pick it up from your hand. Totally clean ending.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 15, 2013 03:44PM)
I also would like to see how you secured little
man in the ring Merlin.
Todd
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 15, 2013 04:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 16:44, bowers wrote:
I also would like to see how you secured little
man in the ring Merlin.
Todd
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This is how I have made it:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2dqsxna.jpg

Alternative 1, but with black thread. Also came up with another alternative, which would look cleaner, but haven't tried that yet. I kind of like using thread, it looks more "home made" that way :).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 15, 2013 06:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-15 17:23, djefvulen wrote
This is how I have made it:
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2dqsxna.jpg

Alternative 1, but with black thread. Also came up with another alternative, which would look cleaner, but haven't tried that yet. I kind of like using thread, it looks more "home made" that way :).
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Thanks so much buddy.Looks like a excellent idea..
Todd
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 15, 2013 07:20PM)
We're laying it on a little thick these last few days.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 15, 2013 08:23PM)
Who is?
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 16, 2013 01:49PM)
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On 2013-11-15 20:20, Robvs wrote:
We're laying it on a little thick these last few days.
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????????????????? We're just being enthusiastic about a new item / effect we've purchased (& happy with money spent) & multiple members sharing performance ideas & feedback on they're purchase.........sorry if that seems a little much lately for some.....

Posted: Nov 16, 2013 2:52pm
Daff & Bowers, I took some pics & uploaded to my photo acc., will upload pics here in a few for you & others
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 16, 2013 01:54PM)
I was referencing the 400 word narrative. The comment was meant to be taken lightly.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 16, 2013 02:04PM)
Can I ask ,does this work on the same principle as the OKITO VOODOO DOLL as this can not be examined? and this one aparently can .
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 16, 2013 02:30PM)
I wouldn't give it to them after performing. I don't do that with any prop, fully examinable or not. I think being in control, setting boundaries, etc. makes the magic stronger ( even if it's just a hobby ).

I do give it to them before performing it. They have no idea what I'm about to do so they are looking at it as an interesting art piece as opposed to discovering the secret.

1) They made a comment about this curious figure.

2) I let them look at it

3) They are gobsmacked by the eerie figure rising on my hand.

All this has happend without the word magic or magician ever being mentioned.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 16, 2013 02:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 15:30, Zombie Magic wrote:
I wouldn't give it to them after performing. I don't do that with any prop, fully examinable or not. I think being in control, setting boundaries, etc. makes the magic stronger ( even if it's just a hobby ).

I do give it to them before performing it. They have no idea what I'm about to do so they are looking at it as an interesting art piece as opposed to discovering the secret.

1) They made a comment about this curious figure.

2) I let them look at it

3) They are gobsmacked by the eerie figure rising on my hand.

All this has happend without the word magic or magician ever being mentioned.


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Many thanks for the quick informative reply,it answers my qestion,again many thanks proberly stick with the one I have as it seems to only be appearance that is different with this,all the best.
Shane
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 16, 2013 02:57PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 15:04, Fire Starter wrote:
Can I ask ,does this work on the same principle as the OKITO VOODOO DOLL as this can not be examined? and this one aparently can .
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I never had the Okito, but I think so. The difference, I think, is the "gimmick" of the Haunted Doll is more subtle and very hard to see/feel if you don't know what you're looking for.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Nov 16, 2013 03:09PM)
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/PurpleCoffin.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/resizedcoffin.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Nov 16, 2013 04:01PM)
Anyone else's DVD glitchy?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 16, 2013 04:01PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 15:34, Fire Starter wrote:
[
Many thanks for the quick informative reply,it answers my qestion,again many thanks proberly stick with the one I have as it seems to only be appearance that is different with this,all the best.
Shane
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I had several of the old Okito Dolls and Rogue'sHaunted Doll is an improvement on the hiding of the gimmick. I have no issues handing Rogues Doll out. I would not do that with the Okito Doll.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 16, 2013 04:07PM)
[/quote]
Many thanks for the quick informative reply,it answers my qestion,again many thanks proberly stick with the one I have as it seems to only be appearance that is different with this,all the best.
Shane
[/quote]

I'd prefer the term "craftsmanship" over "appearance." It's a little pricey, but it is gorgeous.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 16, 2013 04:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/PurpleCoffin.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/resizedcoffin.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Exact same coffin case is all over ebay for about $5+, also available in other designs, same exact size. Search "coffin shaped cigarette case." Thank you for letting us see that these exist.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 16, 2013 04:38PM)
Someone asked about the DVD being glitchy. Yes. Mine was. I couldn't navigate the menu very well at all.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 16, 2013 05:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 17:11, Robvs wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/PurpleCoffin.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/resizedcoffin.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Exact same coffin case is all over ebay for about $5+, also available in other designs, same exact size. Search "coffin shaped cigarette case." Thank you for letting us see that these exist.
[/quote]
Oooh I love this coffin and got to get one,will use it for something different though and possiby for the doll,any idea if say 20 odd cards will fit in this?.This thread has got me interested in the voodoo doll which I have and it has been in the back drawer so to speak for a year or more,might get a little voodoo story together and have a play about , thanks for the feed back folks,all the best.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 16, 2013 05:32PM)
I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532896&forum=37&0
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 16, 2013 05:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 18:32, Zombie Magic wrote:
I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532896&forum=37&0
[/quote]
Excellent idea and many thanks for sharing.all the best.
Shane
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 16, 2013 08:23PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 18:32, Zombie Magic wrote:
I performed a routine that I used to use with the old Okitio Doll. Might not be for everyone, but I thought I'd share it.

It's in The Café's Secret Sessions:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532896&forum=37&0
[/quote]

I haven't done ashes in palms since smoking was banned in bars (and everywhere) in NY. I miss that effect.
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 17, 2013 12:28AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 14:54, Robvs wrote:
I was referencing the 400 word narrative. The comment was meant to be taken lightly.
[/quote]

I'm guessing this is in response to my wine-induced, long-winded narrative about my enthusiasm for the Haunted Doll. Sorry about that. I'm a writer by nature and tend to ramble when I'm excited about something. I'll try to keep my posts more concise in the future. (but I'll admit I did a good laugh at you pointing it out). :)

While on the subject of writing though, I might as well plug two of my books (forgive me for hustling) that while not directly related to magic, both have magic related material in them. One is a memoir of working my first job at a Christmas themed amusement park where I share the story of performing a trick with a staple gun, a dollar bill, and my forehead to try & impress a female coworker. The other is a fiction novel where the protagonist uses David Copperfield-like rose tissues to try an pick up ladies at a party (ending up getting roundhouse-kicked in the face). Both are guaranteed to make you laugh out loud multiple times or your money back! http://www.santasvillagegonewild.com & http://www.blackout-drunk.com

Sorry to hijack the thread, back to talking about the awesome HD!
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 17, 2013 02:31AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 12:11, SIX wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 06:59, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
You know what would be really cool? If someone would answer my question I've posted 3 times about whether a replacement/backup doll will be offered a little cheaper w/o the dvd for those who have already purchased the doll w/dvd.
[/quote]
Hey! That question was answered pages back by Devonte I believe, we are not at the moment considering offering replacement dolls. I know Murphys Magic does not sell a lot of refills, or is there even a market for it usually. I considered doing a special with System 6 but we also have to be respectful of other dealers. Its a lot of politics and etc and the cost wouldnt even drop much as the disk itself is the the most affordable portion of the production process. Yet, we would have to create some kind of box for it, and would just maintain the same price point. A lot of it is just numbers, very sorry about that!

Peace, love and applesauce,

Six
[/quote]
Actually, Devonte simply explained why a download wouldn't be cheaper than a dvd, I don't believe there was an answer to the replacement doll question. And of course there's a market for "refills". There are plenty of tricks that need and offer cheaper replacement gimmicks or items without a need for the instructional video that accompanies the original purchase. I gave one example and there are others. Obviously if materials or manufacturing costs are part of the reason for a high price then that won't be the case. But if someone purchased this and the doll was lost, broken, stolen, or maybe they just want a backup, there is no need for the dvd and I assumed the instructional dvd was the main reason for the price since the materials and manufacturing cost can't be very high. I could make one for pennies in a few minutes.

I think the price is reasonable for the dvd with the doll especially for someone who doesn't know how it works, but since you seem to be saying the dvd cost is negligible I just feel it's a little high for only the doll. I bought mine after reading about it and wanted to see what the improvements were. It's a great little doll, but there's not really anything groundbreaking about it. Is it better than previous commercially available versions? Yes, so kudos to Rogue and System 6. Is it better than what I've made myself? Sorry, but not really. That's not to say it's worse, as I said it's a great little doll. But I did the same thing as far as using a smaller gimmick, it only made sense, and there are many ways to help camouflage it depending on the type of doll, of which I've made a few, including one somewhat similar to the HD.

As far as creating a box for it, I don't see that being necessary. Stick it in a bubble mailer, stamp do not bend on it and you're good to go, nothing extra needed.

Please don't take my post the wrong way since it may sound harsh but that's the nature of the internet. The HD is great, I love it and have posted positively about it in this post and others. You seem to have many happy customers, and rightly so. It's simply my opinion that original purchasers of the HD w/dvd should have the option to purchase a replacement doll at a lower price since you are no longer paying for a secret, but essentially an inexpensive replacement part. I'm obviously in the minority as I've seen very few posts about the cost so feel free to ignore me but good gestures towards your customers can go a long way and it's not like I'm saying cut all your profits and sell it for 5 bucks or something crazy. I wouldn't have rambled so much here but I was a bit put off by your "Hey!", which I may have taken the wrong way. As I mentioned, nature of the internet.

P.S. Looking forward to the Believe cards. I have a couple other things from System 6 on my wish list and as I mentioned, I'm very happy with my HD. Continued success to you.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 17, 2013 02:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 15:30, Zombie Magic wrote:
I wouldn't give it to them after performing. I don't do that with any prop, fully examinable or not. I think being in control, setting boundaries, etc. makes the magic stronger ( even if it's just a hobby ).
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Of course spectator management is important, but with something like this that can be examined I have no problem letting them take a look at it. I don't always offer it, but if they ask it can also make the magic stronger when they look and see nothing. Of course, depending on the presentation, they sometimes don't want to touch it. If I'm doing a "creepy" version I do sometimes hold it out to them and it's kind of fun to see them step back. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 17, 2013 08:19AM)
UPDATES: New Streaming Options coming this week / Possible Refill Ideas with New Limited Dolls that allow you to hang it on your necklace ;)

Fire Starter: You asked is the doll simply different in aesthetics, the simple answer is No. The Haunted doll utilizes the same method as the original Okito Doll, Yes it's made to be slimmer and more durable thus making its appearance different. But what "I believe" makes this Doll COMPLETLETLY different, in my opinion I would even dare to say Better, or in Dan sperry's opinion "I hated the older version, I love the Haunted Doll" ....It's the attention to detail, that makes this doll different, You see the gimmick wasn't just made to be smaller and nearly invisible making it "completely examinable" to a lay person BUT we took time in serching for the perfect gimmick that wasn't to doll or too sh...rp. All in all Yes I can give out the doll before and after the effect, I genuinely could not say the same about "any" of they previous versions. :) but hey you can definitely stick with the original, then again it was the inspiration for this one. Just wanted to make clear that we would have not released something unless we felt we made a signifacant improvement

Jerskin / Daffydoug : You mentioned about a glitchy DVD and Daffy your mentioned having problems navigating. I would be more than happy to try and help. So as we mentioned before, System 6 is going Digital soon and will make available streaming options for mostly gimmick less tricks. That being said I want to make sure I support those that might have bought the DVD and May have had issues. We will send a private link this week of a streaming video of the Haunted Doll. to anyone who has issues watching the DVD. We would love to keep this specific video offline for now but I want to make sure you guys get what you paid for and "more"

Dr Van Van magic : Oh Dr Van Van Magic, what more can I say but "my apologies for not, giving you a direct reasonable answer to your question" I wasn't being sarcastic neither, I would hate it if I asked something and it felt like the other person/company were skating around the question. So to finally bring some type of answer or response to the long awaited question of "will there be refills available? And will they be less expensive?. The answer right off the back is that we are still discussing both questions and we simply don't have a definite YES or NO for neither question. All in all, here is what I'll leave everyone with. As of now YES, we are actively working on a way to make refills available, the only reason why it hasn't been made available yet, is to make sure that the Magic Dealers who bought the Haunted Doll w/ DVD, don't get stuck with the DVD's because everyone decided to buy the replacement doll for cheaper. We understand this is a problem that can be resolved but we just simply want to go about it, in a way that is a WIN / WIN for both consumers and our magic dealers. We do have an idea that we have been exploring, which is that we may be releasing a limited number of a replacement Doll and handmade Box Set. So basically if you own the DVD, this will allow you to purchase a hand made old, wooden, spooky box that comes with its own Haunted Doll (which acts as a replacement) the price we would imagine would not signifacantlt drop, might even stay at 29.95. But this will allow someone who already purchased the DVD to buy a second one. Of course it wouldn't make sense to pay the exact same price withou the DVD and just a doll, but buying a cool spooky handmade box that brings a Haunted Doll with it (possibly altered to clip onto a necklace). We might only make this available of course to people who own the DVD. We might even ask a Password Question only available to those who own the DVD, like what color shirt is Rogue wearing in the DVD. Hope this adds clarity to both our thinking behind your question and our current state. We will continue to keep you updated on options to get a second doll :)

Love, Hugs and Applesauce

- Devonte
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Nov 17, 2013 09:15AM)
Many thaks Devontemagic for the very informative discription of the H/D,sounds way cool and I got to admit my Okito Doll is a little sharp on the hands so I may very well invest,all the best.
Shane
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 17, 2013 09:35AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 09:19, Devontemagic wrote:
We do have an idea that we have been exploring, which is that we may be releasing a limited number of a replacement Doll and handmade Box Set. So basically if you own the DVD, this will allow you to purchase a hand made old, wooden, spooky box that comes with its own Haunted Doll (which acts as a replacement) the price we would imagine would not signifacantlt drop, might even stay at 29.95. But this will allow someone who already purchased the DVD to buy a second one. Of course it wouldn't make sense to pay the exact same price withou the DVD and just a doll, but buying a cool spooky handmade box that brings a Haunted Doll with it (possibly altered to clip onto a necklace). We might only make this available of course to people who own the DVD. We might even ask a Password Question only available to those who own the DVD, like what color shirt is Rogue wearing in the DVD. Hope this adds clarity to both our thinking behind your question and our current state. We will continue to keep you updated on options to get a second doll :)


Love, Hugs and Applesauce

- Devonte
[/quote]

Count me in for the doll + box if you decide to go this way ! I ordered from System6 and I will be more than glad if I could have a little home and a sister for my HD ;)

So count me in again :P
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 17, 2013 09:41AM)
Anywhere we can register to get an e-mail when this is available? :)
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Nov 17, 2013 09:48AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/PurpleCoffin.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/resizedcoffin.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Thank you for the information. I ordered a couple of these. Perfect to put it in for both protecting the doll while in the pocket and for enhancing the story line.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 17, 2013 10:01AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 10:48, magicinsight wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 16:09, nonvpro wrote:
If anyone is looking for something Spooky to hold their Haunted Doll in I have the following if anyone is interested.

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/PurpleCoffin.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o571/nonvpro/resizedcoffin.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Thank you for the information. I ordered a couple of these. Perfect to put it in for both protecting the doll while in the pocket and for enhancing the story line.
[/quote]
The only negative is that the box looks a bit overworked compared to the doll, and also a bit kitschy with the skulls. Personally I prefer a simple wooden box with some scraches, burnmarks and maybe some simple "magic signs" on it.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 17, 2013 12:22PM)
All of these coffins and such are all very nice, but the problem for me is that you can't have it both ways.

Either I need to stick with wearing HD as a necklace, or I have to choose one of these cases. If I have it in a case, it will be in my pocket where nobody will see it or ask me about it. If I do the necklace, everyone will ask me about it, but it won't have the advantage of a spooky start right from the beginning.

I wish there was a way to do both.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 17, 2013 12:34PM)
[/quote]
The only negative is that the box looks a bit overworked compared to the doll, and also a bit kitschy with the skulls. Personally I prefer a simple wooden box with some scraches, burnmarks and maybe some simple "magic signs" on it.
[/quote]

Agreed. Sorry, but those coffins are utter junk. They completely derail the mystery. They look fabricated and have absolutely nothing to do with the earthy appeal of the doll. You are far better off finding a rusty can, a distressed box, or a greasy old cloth.

The entire appeal of the effect begs the question, "Where did this thing come from?" You'd want the container to ask the same. The doll deserves better than a toy tin.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 17, 2013 01:15PM)
That's why, since they done a BEAUTIFUL work on the doll, I wait for Rogue's wooden box.. I'm sure I won't be disappointed
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 17, 2013 01:25PM)
UPDATE: GREAT NEWS!!! System 6 will soon be offering the Custom Made Haunted Doll Box and a Custom Made Necklace that supports the Doll. It will all fit the same DARK and EERIE FEEL that our Haunted Doll has so you have congruency throughout your performance. Not to mention possible Package Deal that **may** include all of the above and a Backup Doll ;). We will work the kinks out in the coming days, But just thought we take all the positive energy and ideas and move on it.

Alex DLF & Djefvulen : PLEASE Subscribe to our email list at System6Magic.com (Scroll down to the bottom of the HOME PAGE and you can add your email there) *We only email our subscribers when it is NEW and Intersting product. lol as we also hate SPAM :)
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Nov 17, 2013 01:28PM)
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/152892448/a-small-witch-box-folding-altar-box-with?ref=sr_gallery_9&ga_search_query=Witch++box&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=CA&ga_page=2&ga_search_type=all&ga_facet=Witch++box&favorite_listing_id=152892448&show_panel=true

Not for strolling... But in case you are going parlour...
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 17, 2013 03:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 19:32, Devontemagic wrote:
Hey Havegrim,

I have your answer: Rogue himself says he places a very small drop of Crazy Glue on the gimmick, after he's adjusted it as he likes. The doll is made to have the gimmick me movable but should hold its place while performing as to not interrupt in the performance. So once again a YES, a small drop of Crazy glue will do the trick, Rogue says he does this every other month or so, Keep in mind Rogue performs the Haunted Doll hundreds of times along with "sharpien-ing" up the appendages.

[quote]
On 2013-11-14 19:21, havagrim wrote:
Just got my doll.. Really impressed. Did it for my wife today after playing with it for an hour to get a good hand placement etc.. Really cool and she was very impressed. Let her check the doll but she didn't find anything fishy ;)

I have a question tho. The gimmick is very loose for me.. Anyone else have this? Is it supposed to be very loose? I was considering finding a good spot I will use in a fixed hand, and just glueing it.. But not sure if its a dumb thing, as it might be hard to do it in the other hand if I do..

Hmm, tips and suggestions is welcome on how to make it less loose? :)

And if you don't have it. Get it! Its awesome! :)
[/quote]
[/quote]

Since you mentioned it, how do you keep the gimmick sharp?

Regarding the crazy glue, does he just put a dab on the bottom of the gimmick, then use a sharpie to color it in? Does he (or if anyone else does, feel free to chime in) put a dab of glue on the bottom before burning / charring it?
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 17, 2013 03:28PM)
Devonte, thanks for the reply and the update. Sounds like you guys are working to add value for your customers.

[quote]
On 2013-11-17 13:22, daffydoug wrote:
All of these coffins and such are all very nice, but the problem for me is that you can't have it both ways.

Either I need to stick with wearing HD as a necklace, or I have to choose one of these cases. If I have it in a case, it will be in my pocket where nobody will see it or ask me about it. If I do the necklace, everyone will ask me about it, but it won't have the advantage of a spooky start right from the beginning.

I wish there was a way to do both.
[/quote]
Ah, but there is Doug. You could go with a small leather or burlap pouch with some sort of symbol on it, to wear as a necklace with the doll in it. Just attach a clip to the necklace and hook it through the drawstring loops. That would still give folks something unusual to ask about, and you would have the added advantage of the spooky start you want.

On another topic, I've had several people refer to the doll as a cross. Anyone else getting this? Sorry if it's been mentioned and I missed it. I still wish they could combine the various threads on the HD.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 17, 2013 03:34PM)
I had someone mention the Wicker Man. I haven't had anyone make reference to a cross.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 17, 2013 04:29PM)
Yes. I've had it referred to as a cross. They obviously miss the fact that the "cross"' has two legs, like a stickman. Maybe he needs a set of eyes on his "face".
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 17, 2013 04:34PM)
I wouldn't worry about what they might think it is. A cross is fine. If they said "is that Charlie Brown?" then I'd worry.
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 17, 2013 05:33PM)
My son noticed today at the video store it looks very similar to the Blair Witch project symbol as well.
Message: Posted by: Libertus (Nov 17, 2013 06:12PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 13:22, daffydoug wrote:
All of these coffins and such are all very nice, but the problem for me is that you can't have it both ways.

Either I need to stick with wearing HD as a necklace, or I have to choose one of these cases. If I have it in a case, it will be in my pocket where nobody will see it or ask me about it. If I do the necklace, everyone will ask me about it, but it won't have the advantage of a spooky start right from the beginning.

I wish there was a way to do both.
[/quote]

How about putting the item in the coffin and adding a chain to the coffin and putting that on your necklace around your neck so people ask why the hell you got a coffin on your neck? Hehe.

Jokes aside, I should get mine tomo or Tues. Looking forward!
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 17, 2013 07:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 01:28, axcreations1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-16 14:54, Robvs wrote:
I was referencing the 400 word narrative. The comment was meant to be taken lightly.
[/quote]

I'm guessing this is in response to my wine-induced, long-winded narrative about my enthusiasm for the Haunted Doll. Sorry about that. I'm a writer by nature and tend to ramble when I'm excited about something. I'll try to keep my posts more concise in the future. (but I'll admit I did a good laugh at you pointing it out). :)

While on the subject of writing though, I might as well plug two of my books (forgive me for hustling) that while not directly related to magic, both have magic related material in them. One is a memoir of working my first job at a Christmas themed amusement park where I share the story of performing a trick with a staple gun, a dollar bill, and my forehead to try & impress a female coworker. The other is a fiction novel where the protagonist uses David Copperfield-like rose tissues to try an pick up ladies at a party (ending up getting roundhouse-kicked in the face). Both are guaranteed to make you laugh out loud multiple times or your money back! http://www.santasvillagegonewild.com & http://www.blackout-drunk.com

Sorry to hijack the thread, back to talking about the awesome HD!
[/quote]

It actually wasn't. And it wasn't meant to be nasty to anyone, but it was playfully directed to Daffy.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 17, 2013 08:23PM)
Hey,Devonte & Six!
It does remind me of the Blair Witch Project,can you guys make one to that exact shape?
Even,a little bit more Bizarre! :)
~G
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 18, 2013 12:05AM)
Just received mine cannot find anything suspicious on the doll, will watch DVD when I get back.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 18, 2013 02:33AM)
Played around for a bit, it hurts :/
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 02:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 03:33, cricketer15 wrote:
Played around for a bit, it hurts :/
[/quote]

It shouldn't hurt. I know we're all different, but two muscle passes and I have a welt on my palm. With the Haunted Doll I barely apply pressure and it just works. I've lost count how many times I've done it in the same spot and have had no issues.

Maybe less pressure will work for you as it has for me. You can always PM Six or Devonte for help.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 18, 2013 04:13AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 03:50, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 03:33, cricketer15 wrote:
Played around for a bit, it hurts :/
[/quote]

It shouldn't hurt. I know we're all different, but two muscle passes and I have a welt on my palm. With the Haunted Doll I barely apply pressure and it just works. I've lost count how many times I've done it in the same spot and have had no issues.

Maybe less pressure will work for you as it has for me. You can always PM Six or Devonte for help.
[/quote]

yeah practiced a bit more, sort of found my sweet spot, doesn't hurt as much now.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 18, 2013 09:47AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 05:13, cricketer15 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 03:50, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 03:33, cricketer15 wrote:
Played around for a bit, it hurts :/
[/quote]

It shouldn't hurt. I know we're all different, but two muscle passes and I have a welt on my palm. With the Haunted Doll I barely apply pressure and it just works. I've lost count how many times I've done it in the same spot and have had no issues.

Maybe less pressure will work for you as it has for me. You can always PM Six or Devonte for help.
[/quote]

yeah practiced a bit more, sort of found my sweet spot, doesn't hurt as much now.
[/quote]
As Rumpelstiltskin says: "Magic always comes at a price" :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 18, 2013 08:59PM)
So true!!!!
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Nov 18, 2013 09:42PM)
I am just wondering if the gimmick has locking feature so the spectator may fully examined it ???
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 18, 2013 09:48PM)
I wouldnt' really want them to fully examine it myself.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 09:58PM)
I let them look at it before I perform it. 2 gals have declined ( It's pretty spooky looking ).

Dealers came up with "fully examinable" years ago so that hobbyists wouldn't be afraid to perform something ( and would buy it ). It's because as kids they got Svengali's and of course their friends grabbed for their cards, striking fear in their hearts about using gaffs/props.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 18, 2013 10:34PM)
Had a bad experience with it today. I was in a restaurant, and there was a friend in there who is an engineer. He saw the doll on my necklace, and asked me about it. Someone  who had seen me do the effect before said to show him what the doll does. True to form, I put on my music and caused it to stand up. He was sitting three or four feet from me. I want to tell you, as the doll stood up, every eye in the restaurant was on me. I'm telling you, the whole room was watching! 

Well, I finished, and all of a sudden the engineer guy pipes up and says "It's a pretty good trick, but....and he went on to explain how it works. "

Folks, I want to tell you, I just about died. I wanted to crawl under the table, that's how humiliating it was. It was utter and public humiliation.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't ever show the effect to someone with an engineers mind. You are guaranteed to get busted. Hopefully, it won't be in public for you, as it was for me.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 18, 2013 11:17PM)
That does hurt when that happen's.But the engineer should
of had more respect for you and not blurted it out to everyone.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 18, 2013 11:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 23:34, daffydoug wrote:
Had a bad experience with it today. I was in a restaurant, and there was a friend in there who is an engineer. He saw the doll on my necklace, and asked me about it. Someone  who had seen me do the effect before said to show him what the doll does. True to form, I put on my music and caused it to stand up. He was sitting three or four feet from me. I want to tell you, as the doll stood up, every eye in the restaurant was on me. I'm telling you, the whole room was watching! 

Well, I finished, and all of a sudden the engineer guy pipes up and says "It's a pretty good trick, but...then he went on to explain how it's done"

Folks, I want to tell you, I just about died. I wanted to crawl under the table, that's how humiliating it was. It was utter and public humiliation.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't ever show the effect to someone with an engineers mind. You are guaranteed to get busted. Hopefully, it won't be in public for you, as it was for me.

[/quote]

Don't sweat it daff. David Williamson got busted on national TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og6gVihE5uA

Engineers and Scientists can be blown away, but it depends what it is and by whom. As friends, they know we don't have "the gift";-)

daff, you're doing what 99% of hobbyists don;t do: perform magic for people. Well done!
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Nov 18, 2013 11:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 22:58, Zombie Magic wrote:
I let them look at it before I perform it. 2 gals have declined ( It's pretty spooky looking ).

Dealers came up with "fully examinable" years ago so that hobbyists wouldn't be afraid to perform something ( and would buy it ). It's because as kids they got Svengali's and of course their friends grabbed for their cards, striking fear in their hearts about using gaffs/props.


[/quote]

I've never thought of it that way, but it's so true--that's a great point about the friends grabbing stuff--I remember that used to happen to me all the time in middle school, and that's when I started learning sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Nov 19, 2013 12:06AM)
If there is no locking system which can hide the gimmick, then it might have chance someone grab the doll can get hurt. Anyone has this experience before ?
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 19, 2013 01:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 23:34, daffydoug wrote:
Had a bad experience with it today. I was in a restaurant, and there was a friend in there who is an engineer. He saw the doll on my necklace, and asked me about it. Someone  who had seen me do the effect before said to show him what the doll does. True to form, I put on my music and caused it to stand up. He was sitting three or four feet from me. I want to tell you, as the doll stood up, every eye in the restaurant was on me. I'm telling you, the whole room was watching! 

Well, I finished, and all of a sudden the engineer guy pipes up and says "It's a pretty good trick, but he's got a couple pins in it sticking in his hands, and when he flexes his hand, it causes it to stand up."

Folks, I want to tell you, I just about died. I wanted to crawl under the table, that's how humiliating it was. It was utter and public humiliation.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't ever show the effect to someone with an engineers mind. You are guaranteed to get busted. Hopefully, it won't be in public for you, as it was for me.

[/quote]

This guy, although an engineer, is an idiot... I am an engineer too but I would NEVER, EVER do something like that to humiliate a magician. It happened to me, once, when I was doing a red / black separation with cards, all in between the specs hands, the guy explained how it worked for everybody, but NOBODY believed him, and said "shut up, not true, he shuffled the cards before" ;)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 06:24AM)
I had a talk with him later. I let him know exactly how I felt about the incident. He explained to me: "I'm an engineer. I EASILY FIGURE THINGS OUT that other people can't. That's what I do. That's how my mind works." 

I told him yeah, but does that mean you got to blurt it out in public and humiliate me? 

I told him I wanted to crawl under the table. 

He apologized, and explained "I thought that was what you were SUPPOSED to do with magic tricks. I watched Criss Amgel on TV, and when he does tricks, people around him try to figure them out, so I thought that was the way you are supposed to do it." 

I'm still chagrined that he actual engineered the way the doll works from several feet away. He was far enough that he couldn't see the connection, but his brain actually "engineered" the method just from viewing! Guys like this are your worst nightmare. 

I've seen this guy before. Threw my toughest, most deceptive routines at him, the best, cutting edge effects in modern close up magic, and each time, he immediately came up with the correct solution! So when they asked me to perform HD in the restaurant, these previous times flashed through my brain, but these people had me on the spot, so I proceeded, albeit cautiously, thinking "Surely HD will be the exception. Surely he WON'T figure this out, because NO mortal figures it out. I'll fry his brain!" 

Boy was I ever wrong! Famous last words! 

This guy is a magician's worst nightmare.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 19, 2013 06:51AM)
No Need for a locking gimmick indomagic, like people have said, they have opened the gimmick without watching the DVD and have a hard time finding it let alone getting hurt. I know it may seem as if you may get hurt being that you don't see the gimmick but in this case it's the exact opposite. The gimmick is well hidden and small enough that you won't hurt yourself or any spectators handling the doll :)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 22:42, indomagic wrote:
I am just wondering if the gimmick has locking feature so the spectator may fully examined it ???
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 06:54AM)
Oh, and about the David Williamson clip. Here is the follow up, twenty years later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj81_KaPKgQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 19, 2013 07:08AM)
I PM'd this to DaffyDoug about his heckler, thought it'd be good to share with everyone

My prayers go out to you from magician to magician. I personally would have used it to be part of my show. Being that he had already caught you and being that this is honestly one in a hundred chances. I would have spinned off into a different patter. Saying something like "your exactly right mr engineer, this effect known for hundreds of years as voodoo was in fact a simple old trick done to the people of Haiti, (I would have then secretly set up ashes in the hand) and then finished of by saying something like I understand the voodoo doll "trick" but I never understood the ashes (point to his hand). Thus taking the attention away from the voodoo doll. I don't know I guess that's my style and it's to always go with the flow. It's something that happened to David Blaine once while performing a book test, someone knew how it worked and said it out loud, as a professional, he continued by using the person that made the comment and made it seem as part of his presentation. Of course at the End he did another trick following the book testy that fooled the hec out of them.
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 19, 2013 07:39AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-18 23:34, daffydoug wrote:
Had a bad experience with it today. I was in a restaurant, and there was a friend in there who is an engineer. He saw the doll on my necklace, and asked me about it. Someone  who had seen me do the effect before said to show him what the doll does. True to form, I put on my music and caused it to stand up. He was sitting three or four feet from me. I want to tell you, as the doll stood up, every eye in the restaurant was on me. I'm telling you, the whole room was watching! 

Well, I finished, and all of a sudden the engineer guy pipes up and says "It's a pretty good trick, but...then he went on to explain how the trick is done.Folks, I want to tell you, I just about died. I wanted to crawl under the table, that's how humiliating it was. It was utter and public humiliation.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't ever show the effect to someone with an engineers mind. You are guaranteed to get busted. Hopefully, it won't be in public for you, as it was for me.

[/quote]

wow, that really blows when someone call you out in public. one of my spectators in a large group caught me doing a double lift once in a card trick and at the end of the trick he just whisper that he knew what I did but didn't want to spoil it because he could see everyone was getting excited, funnily enough he was an engineering student at my university. did another trick that he couldn't explain. so far havent been caught with the haunted doll yet.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 08:10AM)
What I keep asking myself is "What IS IT about this guy's brain that he sees through practically everything I do?" It's almost maddening!

He sees magic as a mental challenge, which his engineer's brain easily solves.

The question for me is HOW? I'm banging my head against the wall trying to figure out how he is the exception to the rule that "everyone can be fooled."

Maybe it's a matter of my personal magician's pride, but now he has become MY PERSONAL challenge I want to do just ONE THING to make his jaw drop to the floor.

He even figured out my "Juxtaposition" effect!!

How's THAT for a brain?

And in case you are wondering, I performed the effect for him very well, and not in a shoddy manner. The guy is JUST that frickin' perceptive.

So the situation for me has reversed. Instead of it being him thinking "How did he do that??" It is now my mind thinking "What on earth can I do to smoke his mind? How can I floor him and fool the crap out of him and leave him with NO earthly explanation?"

The tables have turned on me, and it has become imperative on me to turn them back again. My dignity is at stake; my personal and public reputation as a deceiver of men.

I don't mean to sound overly dramatic, but I won't rest until
I silence this guy!

Posted: Nov 19, 2013 9:26am
It's like I mentioned to someone else: This guy is like playing chess against Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov. It's like he is several moves ahead of you. He seems to have a thousand eyes and he sees what slips right past others. He doesn't seem to have any BLIND SPOTS.

He has become my "Angry Bob" as in Jamie D. Grant's posts.
Message: Posted by: Libertus (Nov 19, 2013 09:54AM)
Got mine. Review shortly!
Message: Posted by: Axman (Nov 19, 2013 10:13AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 09:26, daffydoug wrote:
It's like I mentioned to someone else: This guy is like playing chess against Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov. It's like he is several moves ahead of you. He seems to have a thousand eyes and he sees what slips right past others. He doesn't seem to have any BLIND SPOTS.

He has become my "Angry Bob" as in Jamie D. Grant's posts.
[/quote]

Gilbreath him
Sals memory opener should do it
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 19, 2013 10:41AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 09:26, daffydoug wrote:
It's like I mentioned to someone else: This guy is like playing chess against Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov. It's like he is several moves ahead of you. He seems to have a thousand eyes and he sees what slips right past others. He doesn't seem to have any BLIND SPOTS.

He has become my "Angry Bob" as in Jamie D. Grant's posts.
[/quote]

I think you are just asking for trouble for yourself. How many times does he have to bust you before you give up?

You can entertain thousands but choose to focus on the one person that busts you every time? Why? Let it go.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Nov 19, 2013 11:08AM)
"Fool Me Once" all the way! HAHA

Though Barts185 makes a great point, why bother lol
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 19, 2013 11:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 09:26, daffydoug wrote:
It's like I mentioned to someone else: This guy is like playing chess against Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov. It's like he is several moves ahead of you. He seems to have a thousand eyes and he sees what slips right past others. He doesn't seem to have any BLIND SPOTS.

He has become my "Angry Bob" as in Jamie D. Grant's posts.
[/quote]

Magic Switchboard is one. Did it for 3 days at an Electrical Engineer convention. Had over 3,000 engineers see it. None got it. Linking Ring routine without the key. There are really many out there that can fool the best. Fooling someone is not difficult, entertain and be prepared.

Best,
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 19, 2013 12:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 16:10, barts185 wrote:

Since you mentioned it, how do you keep the gimmick sharp?

Regarding the crazy glue, does he just put a dab on the bottom of the gimmick, then use a sharpie to color it in? Does he (or if anyone else does, feel free to chime in) put a dab of glue on the bottom before burning / charring it?
[/quote]

Maybe this got missed, and likely will take a lot longer to get dull for those of us who don't do it many times a day, but eventually the gimmick will get dull, so would be interested in knowing how he sharpens it.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 19, 2013 12:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 13:45, barts185 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 16:10, barts185 wrote:

Since you mentioned it, how do you keep the gimmick sharp?

Regarding the crazy glue, does he just put a dab on the bottom of the gimmick, then use a sharpie to color it in? Does he (or if anyone else does, feel free to chime in) put a dab of glue on the bottom before burning / charring it?
[/quote]

Maybe this got missed, and likely will take a lot longer to get dull for those of us who don't do it many times a day, but eventually the gimmick will get dull, so would be interested in knowing how he sharpens it.

[/quote]
I think it will stay sharp a very long time. If not you can use a file.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 19, 2013 01:04PM)
I've had this a week or so now, and am still finding the best routine that suits me.
I really like it and can see me using it quite a lot......
However........
I keep reading things like "The gimmick is very hard to find"
"I could hardly find the gimmick"

Let me tell you my eyes are crap. And I think it's quite easy to spot.

But that's not to say I don't like it.
Just that, for me, it's as undiscoverable as it is obviously is for others


steve
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Nov 19, 2013 01:09PM)
Only if you know where to look at, the gimmick is indeed really easy to find.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 19, 2013 01:12PM)
It's easy to find when you know what you're looking for, but most people just see a wooden doll. I think they're looking for threads and some kind of more advanced gimmick. Actually, I've seen people stare right at the gimmick without seeing it. I can't understand how they don't see it, but they don't... :)
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Nov 19, 2013 01:18PM)
Maybe it's because I know it's there.

I'll still keep performing it.



Steve
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 19, 2013 01:49PM)
If your not use to this type of principle.
You would look at the gimmick and not give
a second thought.Plus the natural look of the doll.
the gimmick just looks like part of it's ruggedness.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 19, 2013 01:54PM)
The gimmick is masked like those pictures where you see the Count Of Monte Cristo, but they see only a wooden boat.

I'm not a proponent of performing magic for friends and family. They see you in your bathrobe, blowing your nose. Difficult for them to have a suspension of disbelief. Do it if it makes you happy, just don't expect too much from it.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 19, 2013 06:12PM)
Daffy, you were recently referred to as a hobbyist, but you recently mentioned "putting your music on" to perform this effect. Can you explain that? Do you have a speaker in your pocket or something?

Also, may I politely ask that we redact the actual words of the engineer so that we preserve the secrets of the effect?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 19, 2013 06:33PM)
56,438 registered Café members just went and looked up "redact".

Excellent advice Robvs!
Message: Posted by: rasp (Nov 19, 2013 06:36PM)
I can understand posting about the bad experience................ I cannot understand the need to expose the secret in the post!!
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Nov 19, 2013 06:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 19:36, rasp wrote:
I can understand posting about the bad experience................ I cannot understand the need to expose the secret in the post!!
[/quote]

Agree
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Nov 19, 2013 07:11PM)
This trick is so old I don't think anything is exposed that is not already known.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 19, 2013 08:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 20:11, magicbyswh wrote:
This trick is so old I don't think anything is exposed that is not already known.
[/quote]

HA! Then I guess we shouldn't have been surprised at the engineer's comments.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Nov 19, 2013 08:45PM)
So if a method is old enough then it is ok to divulge?................. If that is the case, what time frame are we talking. I only ask, so that we are all clear and dancing to the same tune.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 19, 2013 09:20PM)
As the saying goes.
New magic is just old magic re-worked.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 10:13PM)
First about my music, about which there was a question. The explanation is that I have music readily available on my I-phone. 

As far as the word redact, I understand the word perfectly. 

I want to state that any exposure was far from intentional. I hadn't really realized what I had done till it was too late. 

If I could redact the words, I certainly would. 

However, the edit feature of the post had expired. 
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 19, 2013 10:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 23:13, daffydoug wrote:

As far as the word redact, I understand the word perfectly.  

[/quote]

OK, only 56,437 registered Café members went and looked up "redact".

daff, you get MAJOR credit for getting Rouge's Haunted Doll on a cord to be worn around the neck. That was a major brainstorm!

This little guy is an A+++ release!

[img]http://image1.frequency.com/uri/w234_h132_ctrim_ll/_/item/1/2/4/0/The_Haunted_Doll_by_Rogue_System_6_www_M_124068113_thumbnail.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 10:50PM)
I can't take credit for the idea because I don't think it was my idea. I think I read it on the thread, but my memory is nebulous on it.

Posted: Nov 19, 2013 11:53pm
And my eyes are sleepy so I don't have the energy to re-read the thread from the beginning to determine the actual provenance of the idea.

It may have very well have been me, but I really don't remember.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 19, 2013 11:10PM)
Doug, I wouldn't bother showing the engineer guy anything anymore. And if he's around when you're performing for others I would politely ask him to keep his comments to himself so the others can enjoy the entertainment. It's normal for people to wonder how you do things but most will just watch and enjoy what they've seen without trying to be Mr. ANALytical. Those folks that are just focused on watching to try and figure it out are really annoying. I've only run into 2 or 3 but I can't stand 'em and after a few times I just quit showing them anything and if they ask why I explain that it's no fun for me or them if they are only trying to "catch" me instead of enjoying the mystery and having a good time.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 19, 2013 11:28PM)
I appreciate the friendly advice.

I reported my own post, btw, in hopes that it can be corrected.

It wasn't intentional. Just a brain fart on my part.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 19, 2013 11:54PM)
Actually, the idea of using HD as a necklace is mentioned on the included DVD by Rogue.
I believe Rogue does say that he heard that idea from other HD users over the years.

Daff, do you ever feel a bit strange turning up the music during what begins as an impromptu routine?
By impromptu I mean the fact that the spec initiates the effect by commenting on your necklace.
You have a lot of courage to play accompanying music on your phone during a performance in a crowded restaurant.
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 20, 2013 01:26AM)
I posted this in the Spooky forum about containers as well. Feel free to delete one of them if need be...

This is a work in progress, but I figured I'd show the steps I'm taking working on a container to hold my HD (even though I broke mine...don't ask, it was completely my fault, and I will be ordering another one by weeks end).

Today I visited the local Hobby Lobby - awesome store! The place is FILLED with items that can be used as props for magic. The first thing I found was a small "naked" wooden box that was the perfect size to hold the HD. The only "problem" is that it didn't have any clasp to close the box (and surprisingly the lady that was helping didn't know where to find one in the store to add one on - which I'd be willing to bet that they have somewhere, as they have almost anything you can imagine craft related...). Anyway, while I was thinking of ways to "dirty it up" (dirt, shoe polish, etc.) I came across this awesome little box that already looked old, is the perfect size, had a magnet clasp, and was already magic related (see 1st pic). It looks really cool & old, and it only cost 3.49 (originally it was 6.99 but they were having a 50% off sale). It's the perfect size to fit a deck of cards, so I'm guessing magicians might want to use it as is for reasons other then what I did (as it looks pretty cool as-is & they had other cards besides the King too, but I decided to ruin it for the sake of the HD...)

I also found a set of burlap sacks at Hobby Lobby in a pack of 3 different sizes for 4.99, and one of them was a nice fit for the HD (I imagine I can use the two extra to use for something else). I'm thinking I could probably even gotten them cheaper if I looked for a coupon like the sales lady suggested...

Anyway, I took a lighter & Sharpie marker to the burlap bag, and a Sharpie to the box (the lighter made the material of the box smell terrible when I tried burning it, so I went the marker only route on it - the lighter worked perfectly on the bags though). I think things ended up pretty cool! That said, I plan to get the box "dirty" tomorrow, and rub some dirt into it...maybe pour some coffee on it, and try a few other things to stain it some different colors...I know it can look a lot better.

All said, for less then 10 bucks though I think I came up with something pretty cool. I'll let you know what people think once I perform the HD in front of spectators. ;)

[img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/dajzidg2oljk772o7eao.jpg[/img]

[url=http://www.imageurlhost.com/viewer.php?file=dajzidg2oljk772o7eao.jpg][img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/dajzidg2oljk772o7eao_thumb.jpg[/img][/url]
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 20, 2013 05:45AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-19 20:11, magicbyswh wrote:
This trick is so old I don't think anything is exposed that is not already known.
[/quote]

..Plus, I think everyone has one by now anyway. .. :) ...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 20, 2013 06:48AM)
Videoman,

Actually, I simply say "He responds to music. Here let me show you." Segues right into it smooth as silk.

My cell phone isn't hyper loud, so it's really not a problem.

Hyper-astute engineers are what is actually the problem...
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 20, 2013 12:24PM)
Update: So we here at System 6 Magic have been searching High and Low for Cool Necklaces and Boxes that go Hand and Hand with the Haunted Doll. In the Meanwhile we have found these Cool, Carry-Around Leather Cases to put your Doll in, I think the shapes interesting and isn't too novelty like :)

Please Tell us what you think of these?

[img]http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/Devonte_Rosero/image_1_zps56d5be2b.jpeg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 20, 2013 12:31PM)
Some more pictures might make it easier to tell, but from this one it doesn't look bad. I was thinking more along the lines of a pouch, but I like the looks of this too. As I mentioned before, one could burn a symbol into the leather and wear it as a necklace then you have the attention-getter as well as the more-to-come aspect.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 20, 2013 12:48PM)
Here is another, Image, The Pouch is built in a triangular shape with a latch that snaps shut. Again, This would be for those who want a "different" type carry-around case. Keep In mind we'll still be releasing a Box, and Necklace.

[img]http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/Devonte_Rosero/NewProject_zps61f82118.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Nov 20, 2013 01:35PM)
Those items look truly wonderful.. Any price yet ?
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 20, 2013 02:08PM)
Over Halloween I purchased a few Coffin shaped wooden boxes at Michaels. They are a great size for the doll. I painted one flat back with a cross on the front and a pentagram on the inside lid. Also installed a small motor, battery and mercury switch so the box will vibrate and move when stood on end. If you would like to see pics send me a PM with your e-mail.

John
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 20, 2013 09:35PM)
Although extremely time consuming I thing a very old book with the pages cut out would work great to keep the HD in. As if someone was trying to keep it a secret from the family. Kind of, "I was cleaning under the basement stairs and found this hidden away. Must have been some previous owners. I enjoy tinkering and did make up a Blair Witch version. I I only did this for fun and have no intentions to make anymore.

Posted: Nov 20, 2013 10:43pm
My little HD...love the carrying ideas that are being passed around. I freaked my wife out with this one I made. Told her I found it when I was cleaning out the basement...I used a type of thread which give is the look of real hair...as if it was held together with hair. Pretty creepy. I was going to wrap with thread, but thought I'd give this a try.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread so I mean no offense to the new HD creators.

Posted: Nov 20, 2013 10:45pm
If you want to see, just shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to show you. Please no request to make any...I simply only do this for self entertainment
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 20, 2013 10:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-17 21:23, Godzilla wrote:
Hey,Devonte & Six!
It does remind me of the Blair Witch Project,can you guys make one to that exact shape?
Even,a little bit more Bizarre! :)
~G
[/quote]

Any,Reply?

I made them out of worry dolls,years ago!
Sent a picture of one 12yrs,old to Six! (same gimmick)
I thought it looked cool in its day,but the new HD is much nicer!
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 20, 2013 11:10PM)
Making a Blair Witch doll for one's own use might be ok, but I'd say making them for the purpose of selling without licensing or permission would be infringing on trademark or copyright.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 20, 2013 11:41PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 00:10, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Making a Blair Witch doll for one's own use might be ok, but I'd say making them for the purpose of selling without licensing or permission would be infringing on trademark or copyright.
[/quote]

I thought that too,but did see the shape on a symbol chart.
Maybe it is something,they may have borrowed?
Five ends,and the upside down part of pentagram behind,the little v shape.
And,I wasn't wanting them made for everyone! :)
I was asking for one my self,getting lazy,Dr Van Van Mojo! lol
Not being Snarky,if it come across like that!
Message: Posted by: mike donoghue (Nov 21, 2013 06:01AM)
Got this about 10 days ago and haven't worked it yet.

However, I used to do the same effect, with the same method but using a straw doll a few years ago.

Reactions were allways great(especially with the women). Any sort of animation gets strong results.

I had a great presentation which was light but spooky at the same time. Also, you could incorpate a little palm reading as well.

DVD is great quality with very good teaching and some good tips(but to be honest if you have worked this for a while you will have discovered them for yourself). The information saves you making mistakes & puts you on the road to great performances straight away.

I also think that this version is slightly harder to do than the straw doll version as the gimmick is smaller, but it's still easy to master.

The gimmick is more hidden than on other models of this effect, but I would not hand it out for examination as I feel that someone could stumble on the secret & would make a point(no pun intended) of telling the rest of the group.That said, there is info.on the disc which gives the participants a chance to handle it which conveys the impression that it has been examined. Also, if a performer is letting an audience member dictate what is happening then that is a problem in itself.


In conclusion, amyone with performance experience should be able to create a staggering reaction with this prop.

Excellent release. Buy it & use it.

Mike Donoghue
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 21, 2013 08:32PM)
Got mine this evening will watch
the dvd tonight.
Todd
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Nov 21, 2013 08:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-20 13:48, Devontemagic wrote:
Here is another, Image, The Pouch is built in a triangular shape with a latch that snaps shut. Again, This would be for those who want a "different" type carry-around case. Keep In mind we'll still be releasing a Box, and Necklace.

[img]http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/Devonte_Rosero/NewProject_zps61f82118.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Looks like a coin carrier I saw recently. Would need to add something to it so it's not just plain leather. Stress it, make it look older at the very least.
Message: Posted by: sammuel (Nov 22, 2013 06:46AM)
You are right, it can't have any examination after the effect... pity
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 22, 2013 07:16AM)
Barts185: Yea that's precisely what it is, it is usually used for coins and or / Handkerchiefs. Our goal is to find cool accessories that fit (Different people's styles)with the Haunted Doll. For example this pouch works for me, as I might want to carry it around with me during an upscale walk around gig, where I'm wearing a suit and want something with character but that doesn't completely clash with what I'm wearing. Might use the necklace on an everyday basis and might use the box we're making for close up settings or for close friends and Family

Samuel : Huh? I thought this was already explained LOL, of course it can be examined .
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 22, 2013 09:16AM)
Okay I watched the dvd.Played around with
it fo about 30 minute's.Found my sweet spot.
And I thoughly love it........
Todd
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Nov 22, 2013 09:41AM)
For those times I do card trick and haver them sign the card with a Sharpie. I use the Sharpie one sold by Steve. It gets great reactions.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 22, 2013 10:28AM)
Cool effect, I have it but still don't have my sweet spot.
I saw one for sale on the boards and wanted to point out that I think buying or selling them used may not be a great idea as I believe it may be a possible source of infection.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 22, 2013 10:31AM)
Yea, Definitely...Anyone re-selling should be "called out " on it. This effect most importantly can't be resold. glad you have your own LOL....

PS: What is with all the weird posts?? someone wrote something about a sharpie? And another person wrote that it's not examinable? are the threads mixing??

[quote]
On 2013-11-22 11:28, Xcath1 wrote:
Cool effect, I have it but still don't have my sweet spot.
I saw one for sale on the boards and wanted to point out that I think buying or selling them used may not be a great idea as I believe it may be a possible source of infection.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 22, 2013 02:12PM)
Devonte,

I think the sharpie post is an error. However, I think the examinability post wasn't completely out of place. There were a few people who said that they "wouldn't allow inspection," some because they felt no need, and I think there was someone who said it's slightly possible that the solution would be found. I've been following the conversation and think I'm paraphrasing it properly.

However, I don't recall the solution to the following problem, maybe someone can help. My dvd is the worst authored dvd I've ever encountered. The menus don't work in a ps3, a pc after trying three different pieces of software, or a Mac.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 22, 2013 02:30PM)
My DVD works perfect in a MAC and the living room DVD player.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 22, 2013 02:56PM)
My DVD works, but it uses "titles" instead of "chapters", so it's pretty confusing to navigate.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 22, 2013 04:13PM)
All I have is a portable DVD player, and the DVD is a nightmare to navigate.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 22, 2013 06:12PM)
My DVD is also a nightmare to navigate on the various stand alone players I've tried it on. Well, maybe more than a nightmare because it isn't just difficult, it's impossible to play many of the chapters.
Have only tried it on one PC and it worked fine on that.
But I agree, worst DVD I've ever encountered from a magic supplier.

re: the sharpie post, I thought he was saying he has a sharpie version of HD (like the old pencil trick) but it was not written very clearly.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 22, 2013 07:39PM)
So the consensus seems to be: Wonderful effect, horribly bad DVD.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 22, 2013 08:19PM)
Mine works fine in my gateway pc.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 22, 2013 08:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-22 11:28, Xcath1 wrote:
Cool effect, I have it but still don't have my sweet spot.
I saw one for sale on the boards and wanted to point out that I think buying or selling them used may not be a great idea as I believe it may be a possible source of infection.
[/quote]

OMG. Isn't that what sterile alcohol is for? Plus, if you're using this to the point of drawing blood, you're using it waaaaaaaaaay wrong.
C'mon guys. This effect has been around for decades in a much more aggressive form, and has appeared for sale here on the Café - in its older versions - many times. This new version is as non-evasive as they come.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 22, 2013 09:05PM)
Ah man,......all I got was a rock.............

My dvd worked fine in my Mac laptop & a dvd player in my bedroom.Also plays in my PS2, these most likely will not work in a PS3....

Funny thing, I've had several guys & a couple gals (for they're boyfriend or husband) want one of these but not as magic prop,....but rather as just a necklace. They've said it looks so cool & unusual, different type of necklace they wanted to know were I got it & if I can get one for them.......lol

Devonte, you might want to make non gimmicked for those of us that want to swap out for a thorough exmanination & for peeps that just want a cool looking necklace....! Then I can ask them "hey does yours do weird stuff like mine ?!"
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 22, 2013 09:36PM)
Just buy two and remove the gimmick on one. ;-)
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 22, 2013 09:39PM)
The DVD worked fine in my laptop...no complaints.
Message: Posted by: axcreations1 (Nov 22, 2013 09:45PM)
Also, any idea yet on when you might be offering another version with the box or pouch? I need to buy a replacement & am waiting to see what you guys are cooking up before doing so. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 22, 2013 10:10PM)
I agree that the chance of infection is way nill with this effect. If you draw blood, you are doing something totally wrong!!

I barely catch the first layer of the dermis. That is plenty sufficient.

And if one still has some fear of infection, as was mentioned, an alcohol swab will do the trick.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 22, 2013 10:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-22 21:49, Wizard of Oz wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-22 11:28, Xcath1 wrote:
Cool effect, I have it but still don't have my sweet spot.
I saw one for sale on the boards and wanted to point out that I think buying or selling them used may not be a great idea as I believe it may be a possible source of infection.
[/quote]

OMG. Isn't that what sterile alcohol is for? Plus, if you're using this to the point of drawing blood, you're using it waaaaaaaaaay wrong.
C'mon guys. This effect has been around for decades in a much more aggressive form, and has appeared for sale here on the Café - in its older versions - many times. This new version is as non-evasive as they come.
[/quote]

non-evasive? I think that means confrontational. You mean something different. Non-invasive?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 22, 2013 11:08PM)
Looks like a slight malapropism may have snuck in...
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 22, 2013 11:35PM)
I am so enjoying this doll.I have got
where I can set it and perform with
only the right hand.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 23, 2013 01:02AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 00:41, Godzilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-21 00:10, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
Making a Blair Witch doll for one's own use might be ok, but I'd say making them for the purpose of selling without licensing or permission would be infringing on trademark or copyright.
[/quote]

I thought that too,but did see the shape on a symbol chart.
Maybe it is something,they may have borrowed?
Five ends,and the upside down part of pentagram behind,the little v shape.
And,I wasn't wanting them made for everyone! :)
I was asking for one my self,getting lazy,Dr Van Van Mojo! lol
Not being Snarky,if it come across like that!
[/quote]
Hmm, you may be right, hadn't thought about that, it might not even be theirs. Didn't take it as being snarky at all. Been thinking about making one myself, if I do I'll whip up an extra one for you. It'll be next year though, lots going on and surgery coming up in a few days too.
Message: Posted by: ko_brian (Nov 23, 2013 01:26AM)
For the ones that have it, was the gimmick really upgraded in this version? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 23, 2013 01:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 02:02, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
[quote]lots going on and surgery coming up in a few days too.

[/quote]

My wishes this goes very well for you,without great discomforts,and a speedy recovery!
Best,
Gary
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 23, 2013 01:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 02:26, ko_brian wrote:
For the ones that have it, was the gimmick really upgraded in this version? Thanks
[/quote]I think that's been answered more than once here and in the other threads but yes, I would consider it an upgrade over previously available versions. It is smaller, less conspicuous and easier on the performer.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 23, 2013 01:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 02:33, Godzilla wrote:

On 2013-11-23 02:02, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
[quote]lots going on and surgery coming up in a few days too.

[/quote]

My wishes this goes very well for you,without great discomforts,and a speedy recovery!
Best,
Gary
[/quote]
Thanks Gary. It's nothing major, but a lenghty recovery time before I can return to work. I just won't be able to use one of my hands. The best thing is I get two months off work paid while I'm healing.
Cheers,
George
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 23, 2013 01:57AM)
Well then,Dr.Van Van Mojo...hope it is not the hand you use most! lol

Only kidding,do hope all goes as well as possible,and enjoy the next couple months,the best you can ! :)
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 23, 2013 02:44PM)
Don't know if it was mentioned, but you may want to let them hold
the doll before you do the effect, instead of after. ...
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Nov 23, 2013 02:55PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:44, joseph wrote:
Don't know if it was mentioned, but you may want to let them hold
the doll before you do the effect, instead of after. ...
[/quote]
Any tip for a good motivation why they should hold the doll before the effect? I have tried to come up with something good, but I can't. "Here, hold this doll. It's magic and I'm going to do magic things with it, but first I need you to check it out..." or "Here, take this doll, I need to pull up my pants!". No, but seriously, I can't come up with a good motivation, please help me. :)
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 23, 2013 02:57PM)
"Look what I found outside on Halloween night."
If they take it, great, and if not, proceed. :) ...
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 23, 2013 03:11PM)
My two thoughts,

1. I'm the type of performer that weather or not it fits my performance to have the gimmick examined, I need to know, that if push comes to shove, I can have my gimmick examined. What I LOVE about, the Haunted Doll, is that (IF) you needed it to be examined before OR after, you can rest assure that if they do not already know the method or like in DaffyDoug's case, your performing for an AntiMagician...The method will go right over their head and THEY WILL BE FOOLED :)

2. Now to be a little more specific, I perform it similar to Rogue, he has over 20 years of experience so why not take a tip from the master himself. His performance of the doll does not include them having to check out the doll BEFORE, he begins. BUT He does invite them to be part of the levitating experience by having them check if there is any use of strings or magnets. This makes them feel as though they're involved in the trick and not just being a viewing spectator. At the end of his performance he asks the spectator to remove the doll from his hand (THIS IS COVERED ON THE DVD) here is where things get interesting, because he found that many people are so spooked, they don't even want to touch the doll. I believe that's when you know you've accomplished what to me should be seen as real magic. The specter actively saw and experienced an impossible effect, even after canceling out all plausible methods (like magnets or strings)

Hope this helps, All in all, my answer is YES, I've seen thousands of people examine the doll after Rogues performance thus making it examinable. In terms of weather or not it SHOULD be handed out? That answer I believe is subjective :)

Peace, Love and Applesauce

- Devonte

[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:44, joseph wrote:
Don't know if it was mentioned, but you may want to let them hold
the doll before you do the effect, instead of after. ...
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 23, 2013 04:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:55, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:44, joseph wrote:
Don't know if it was mentioned, but you may want to let them hold
the doll before you do the effect, instead of after. ...
[/quote]
Any tip for a good motivation why they should hold the doll before the effect? I have tried to come up with something good, but I can't. "Here, hold this doll. It's magic and I'm going to do magic things with it, but first I need you to check it out..." or "Here, take this doll, I need to pull up my pants!". No, but seriously, I can't come up with a good motivation, please help me. :)
[/quote]

These are the types of things that belong on a dvd. As stated, this one stinks. A paper insert could have explained the secret. We've established that this dvd is both poorly authored and hasn't provided much content (unless, of course, these valuable suggestions are on the inaccessible chapters of the dvd). Luckily it's a great prop.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 23, 2013 04:33PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-23 15:55, djefvulen wrote:

Any tip for a good motivation why they should hold the doll before the effect? I have tried to come up with something good, but I can't. "Here, hold this doll. It's magic and I'm going to do magic things with it, but first I need you to check it out..." or "Here, take this doll, I need to pull up my pants!". No, but seriously, I can't come up with a good motivation, please help me. :)
[/quote]

After they comment on the doll ( which is on a cord around my neck ) I take it off and hold it out for them to take. They showed interest in it, so no need to say look at this.

Sometimes, they have declined to look at it. Not once have they then asked to look at it after I've performed it.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 24, 2013 12:20AM)
I just ordered a leather cord for mine.
And a backup doll also.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 24, 2013 10:42AM)
Hey Robvs
We apologize for the DVD not working for you properly. I know the majority of buyers have gotten the DVD to work. I know many have commented on having trouble with navigating through the DVD and I agree we dropped the ball on that part this time (Still trying to figure out weather that was on our end, or duplication end) Either way we will most definitely resolve this issue, We will be supplying many who already bought the Haunted Doll with a streaming option. Lastly, for the majority who DID watch the DVD, which I'ver read many of them, The DVD explains many of the things that have been spoken about here BUT we're never discussed in the paper instructions. Things like (hanging it on your neck and how to create the Necklace idea, Further concealing the gimick, How to keep your hand as still as Rogue has been able to do it, how to block your angles, how to have them remove the doll from your hand, how to do it on your leg) All in all one thing is to say that the DVD was difficult to navigate vs the content was useless. But hey this is an open forum where consumers and fellow magicians alike can share their personal thoughts :) . Glad you at least loved the gimick ;)

Peace, Love and Applesauce

- Devonte

[quote]
On 2013-11-23 17:26, Robvs wrote:

These are the types of things that belong on a dvd. As stated, this one stinks. A paper insert could have explained the secret. We've established that this dvd is both poorly authored and hasn't provided much content (unless, of course, these valuable suggestions are on the inaccessible chapters of the dvd). Luckily it's a great prop.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 24, 2013 11:28AM)
[quote]
All in all one thing is to say that the DVD was difficult to navigate vs the content was useless. But hey this is an open forum where consumers and fellow magicians alike can share their personal thoughts :) . Glad you at least loved the gimick ;)

Peace, Love and Applesauce

- Devonte


[/quote]

Devonte,

You sent me a coaster. The comment is justified. Don't make it seem like "some people will post the darnedest things" when in reality you've sent a faulty product and acknowledged this error. Mine has no accessible valuable content. Period. If you intended to send valuable content- well that's another story. Until that's been fixed, I have a frisbee. Until then, readers must take your word for it that the dvd content is valuable if you're lucky enough to "get it to work." I have yet to see a post that supports that notion.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Nov 24, 2013 11:32AM)
No problem with viewing the DVD here it worked fine, no problems with any customers either.

This is one great effect and great value for money.

If you are in the UK we have it in stock ready to ship
http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-system-6.html
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 24, 2013 12:50PM)
As I have stated before on this forum.
My dvd works perfect.It's Also easy to navigate
thru also.I have had problems before with some dvd's
I have purchased in the past.And Im sure all of these
aren't workable too.I would just ask for a new dvd.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 24, 2013 12:58PM)
I just put the DVD in to check it and it works perfect. Easy to navigate, etc.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Nov 24, 2013 01:31PM)
Anyone else have problems getting this to rise, I have tried on the hand in various locations and can only get it to rise up about 2 cm??
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Nov 24, 2013 01:38PM)
Hey Robv,
Hey man, didn't mean to offend you buddy. I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong. If you say your DVD didn't work, then we believe you, it is also our job to resolve it for you. that being said pleas PM me and we'll send you a streaming option once it's up. better yet, weather or not you purchased it from us or one of our Magic Shop dealers, We will send you another "Working DVD". As you can see from the comments above, the majority got there DVD's to work.. I apologized for the navigation but once again, I guarantee you that the content inside the DVD (once you see it of course) will surpass any paper instructions released before. Hope this helps a bit :)

Hey Daren,
So as you have probably read in the thread, many got it to work within the first day. but there have been some who had a bit of trial and error before they scored. The advice given by one of the members, was sort of simple but effective. He mentioned that he could not get it to work, but once he stopped being afraid and just went for it (without hurting yourself) of course, he was able to nail it. So my suggestion is find your sweet spot, usually around the dead center of the palm. There is no way to precisely tell where as everyone has their own sweet spot. Hope this helps.
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 14:31, Daren wrote:
Anyone else have problems getting this to rise, I have tried on the hand in various locations and can only get it to rise up about 2 cm??
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 24, 2013 03:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 14:31, Daren wrote:
Anyone else have problems getting this to rise, I have tried on the hand in various locations and can only get it to rise up about 2 cm??
[/quote]

If I may,I've been doing this effect with dolls & ink pens,for years!
Try reversing,place doll in upright position,with *alm extended,then change position of *alm.
This will help finding sweet spot,and let you know,how to do method!
Then you can reverse that,with a better understanding of how to perform!
Just my 2 cents!
If I revealed to much,please report to have removed!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 24, 2013 03:22PM)
Now that's great customer service...
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Nov 24, 2013 06:12PM)
Mine stands fully erect with no problems at all.

I had absolutely no problems from the first time that I used it, and it was my first time with this sort of thing.

All I can say is- don't be afraid, it won't hurt!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 24, 2013 06:14PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 19:12, Jack Straw wrote:
Mine stands fully erect with no problems at all.

I had absolutely no problems from the first time that I used it, and it was my first time with this sort of thing.

All I can say is- don't be afraid, it won't hurt!
[/quote]

Those are the same words I used on a summer night in 1976!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 24, 2013 06:46PM)
Ah those were the good old days...
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Nov 24, 2013 06:52PM)
I can only get it to rise about 45 degrees as well. Not sure why as I can get the straw one to stand all the way up. So what am I doing wrong with this version? It may be the way the gimmick is inserted. Can any of the creators help on this. I apparently am not the only one with this issue.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 24, 2013 07:06PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 19:52, magicbyswh wrote:
I can only get it to rise about 45 degrees as well. Not sure why as I can get the straw one to stand all the way up. So what am I doing wrong with this version? It may be the way the gimmick is inserted. Can any of the creators help on this. I apparently am not the only one with this issue.
[/quote]

On the DVD Rogue stands it more towards the rear of the hand ( he has long fingers ). If you place it more towards the front the palm ( closer to the finger base ) that should do it.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 24, 2013 07:23PM)
I place mine right below the callous of my ring finger.
and lay the doll with the head toward's my index finger.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 25, 2013 01:29PM)
Just received this a couple of hours ago in The Great White North
and here are my initial thoughts:

I love this effect a hell of a lot, simple yet eerie
(I need to work up a presentation, and practice to feel natural and smooth with the handling)
The actual working is easy as pie, just needs polish on my part
The gimmick is great! In fact I pulled it out and gave it a good once over before popping in the DVD and I tell you that even though I "knew" the principle I could not see the workings upon visual inspection.
The DVD is clear concise and to the point, I liked it as far as layout and handling tips were concerned.
I hope after some considerable practice and use I can become 3/10th as smooth as Rogue in performing this lol.
I had read that some had issues with the DVD, mine played perfectly in every device I have, with all chapters watchable and intact.

I would like to sincerely thank Rogue,Six and System Six for this fine effect, I am very pleased with my purchase

(one small note to System Six though, you might want to keep your order info updated on your site, as mine still shows as unfulfilled even though I have it in my hot lil hands lol, I must say though that after a couple of days I emailed, and Six emailed back promptly to assure me that it was in fact on it's way, great customer service right there!)

I would urge anyone on the fence, to dive right in as I know I will be working this sucker to death


S
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 25, 2013 08:36PM)
Yea this thing is a blast just
to practice with.I really enjoy it.
I took it to work today.And no one
had a clue how it worked.
Todd
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 28, 2013 03:55PM)
I think it would be cool if they would offer ungimmicked "dummy" models for cheap so you could kind of use them as giveaways. Somebody enjoys the effect, and it would be nice to have a spare in your pocket so you could say "Here. I have a spare that you can have." Of course the ulterior motive is to get them to take it home so they can spend the rest of their days trying to get it to stand up. (Sort of like a cat chasing a laser light.) 
Yeah. I have a sick mind.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 04:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 16:55, daffydoug wrote:
I think it would be cool if they would offer ungimmicked "dummy" models for cheap so you could kind of use them as giveaways. Somebody enjoys the effect, and it would be nice to have a spare in your pocket so you could say "Here. I have a spare that you can have." Of course the ulterior motive is to get them to take it home so they can spend the rest of their days trying to get it to stand up. (Sort of like a cat chasing a laser light.) 
Yeah. I have a sick mind.
[/quote]

now that is an evil idea lol

would be a bloody expensive giveaway tho :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 28, 2013 04:47PM)
Possibly. But perhaps they could make it of a cheaper material minus the gimmick. If they could do this so we could purchase them for a buck or so , it might be feasible.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 28, 2013 06:25PM)
I don't see how you could make it any cheaper.
It's made out of twig's now.
Todd
Message: Posted by: cricketer15 (Nov 28, 2013 07:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 17:47, daffydoug wrote:
Possibly. But perhaps they could make it of a cheaper material minus the gimmick. If they could do this so we could purchase them for a buck or so , it might be feasible.
[/quote]

yeah, but might try and make it myself though, 2 sticks and a black thread.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 08:16PM)
Well let's be honest
it's not just two twigs (anymore than a table is a plank and 4 legs)

go ahead make one lol
make sure to post pics when you are done

:)
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 28, 2013 08:46PM)
You hit the nail on the head.the craftsmenship is excellent.
Show's just what someone can make out of some regular twig's.
I was just saying you want find any less expensive material to make
it out of other than what it is made of.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 28, 2013 09:08PM)
Wait for China to get ahold of it.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 09:25PM)
It will be some plastic abomination if made in china lol

I LOVE my lil doll heh
:)
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 28, 2013 09:27PM)
Me too.I received my second one for backup yesterday.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 28, 2013 09:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-28 22:27, bowers wrote:
Me too.I received my second one for backup yesterday.
[/quote]

don't blame you sir
I kinda think I will get a back up too, this effect kills
kills em dead
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 28, 2013 11:33PM)
My cat loves mine. She stole it off my prop table by my bed. Drug it half way across the house.
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 29, 2013 07:24PM)
The DVD recommends using a black marker to help conceal the gimmick. For safety reasons, I am not sure if that is a good idea.
Message: Posted by: VMagical (Nov 29, 2013 07:38PM)
You guys are making me broke! I just bought this! :) I'm looking forward to playing with it and amazing some folks.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 29, 2013 07:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 20:24, mndude wrote:
The DVD recommends using a black marker to help conceal the gimmick. For safety reasons, I am not sure if that is a good idea.
[/quote]

I did blacken my end's but I wish I wouldn't have.
The gimmick doesn't hold the color too well.
Which make's it stick out against the black background.
It looks better not doing anything to it.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Nov 29, 2013 08:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 20:54, bowers wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 20:24, mndude wrote:
The DVD recommends using a black marker to help conceal the gimmick. For safety reasons, I am not sure if that is a good idea.
[/quote]

I did blacken my end's but I wish I wouldn't have.
The gimmick doesn't hold the color too well.
Which make's it stick out against the black background.
It looks better not doing anything to it.
Todd
[/quote]Good to know because I was thinking about doing the same thing.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 29, 2013 08:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 20:38, VMagical wrote:
You guys are making me broke! I just bought this! :)
[/quote]

Ha, you want broke - come on over to Outlaw & Lebanon magic,that's soul selling territory......Lol Your gonna get your money's worth in reactions with your HD,worth every penny !!

I had some unplanned fun using Outlaw's Reflections & my Haunted Doll. Had 2 people use Reflections, 1 of the persons revelations was star which I drew on a piece of paper & showed,then the 2nd person I had the circle revelations & drew it around star & showed......they loved the Reflections book test, then I turned paper 180 with the drawing of the star inside the circle, now becoming a.......pentagram !

I asked if they believed in spirits & voodoo stuff, removed HD from necklace,placed on my hand & as I moved my hand towards the paper with pentagram on it HD started to rise & up full as I was over paper ! As I moved my hand away & back towards making it fall & rise :) I then asked one of them to remove & crumple up paper & doll fell forward & over & onto table top. The other person picked it up,looked at it for a moment & then got freaked & tossed it back on table & backed up !! LoL A true "Kodak moment" !!

I really love how versatile the HD has become for me !
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 29, 2013 08:56PM)
I've had a lot of comments to the effect of "What is that thing? Is that like Blaire Witch or something? "

Anybody else here getting that?
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 29, 2013 09:01PM)
I really should scrutinize it more before asking this question, but...my vision is poor, does anyone have a tip for making sure you have it right side up when you start?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 29, 2013 09:02PM)
I get Blaire Witch or Wicker Man.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 29, 2013 10:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 22:01, Robvs wrote:
I really should scrutinize it more before asking this question, but...my vision is poor, does anyone have a tip for making sure you have it right side up when you start?
[/quote]

I guess you mean having the right side facing you.
My HD has a light color on one side verse dark on
the other side.This let's me know if I'm in the right orientation
to begin.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Nov 29, 2013 10:15PM)
Same as Zombie Blair or wicler

love it
Message: Posted by: Dr. Van Van Mojo (Nov 29, 2013 11:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-29 22:01, Robvs wrote:
I really should scrutinize it more before asking this question, but...my vision is poor, does anyone have a tip for making sure you have it right side up when you start?
[/quote]
Same here on the poor vision. If there isn't already a distinguishing mark of some sort, just make one. Scratch it, mark it with a sharpie, whatever. Nobody will notice, it'll look like an imperfection. It's just sticks and string after all.
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Nov 30, 2013 08:21AM)
I still can't get this to stand straight. Only about 45 degrees. I have moved it around in my palm and tried different spots. Maybe the gimmick is angled incorrectly or inserted in the wood incorrectly. Any other advice?
Message: Posted by: mndude (Nov 30, 2013 09:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 09:21, magicbyswh wrote:
I still can't get this to stand straight. Only about 45 degrees. I have moved it around in my palm and tried different spots. Maybe the gimmick is angled incorrectly or inserted in the wood incorrectly. Any other advice?
[/quote]

You kind of have to use the right leg as leverage as it pushes into the padded part of your hand.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Nov 30, 2013 09:54AM)
Colin Clive went nuts saying "It’s alive … it’s moving. It’s alive. It’s alive! It’s alive! It’s alive! It’s alive!"

And that was with only a little hand movement. It might be a film, but it illustrates a good pint. An inanimate object like Rogue's Haunted Doll doesn't have to stand fully erect for them to freak out. I think less is more. That's the way I do it.

[img]http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/10/frankenstein.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Nov 30, 2013 10:03AM)
Good point, but personally, causing the haunted doll to rise fully is a temptation I find impossible to resist.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 30, 2013 10:29AM)
I like making her flip over completely (Mine is a woman).
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 30, 2013 10:31AM)
Maybe intrduce him to a hot female HD might get him stand straight up........:)

Seriously though, I had to play with sweet spots, doll placement & muscle control of my hand to get mine to stand all the way up. If I'm not on spot with all 3, it wont go all the way up straight without tilting my hand back s tad.......

Practice, trial & error -
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Nov 30, 2013 12:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 16:17, Godzilla wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-24 14:31, Daren wrote:
Anyone else have problems getting this to rise, I have tried on the hand in various locations and can only get it to rise up about 2 cm??
[/quote]

If I may,I've been doing this effect with dolls & ink pens,for years!
Try reversing,place doll in upright position,with *alm extended,then change position of *alm.
This will help finding sweet spot,and let you know,how to do method!
Then you can reverse that,with a better understanding of how to perform!
Just my 2 cents!
If I revealed to much,please report to have removed!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Nov 30, 2013 05:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 11:31, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Maybe intrduce him to a hot female HD might get him stand straight up........:)

Seriously though, I had to play with sweet spots, doll placement & muscle control of my hand to get mine to stand all the way up. If I'm not on spot with all 3, it wont go all the way up straight without tilting my hand back s tad.......

Practice, trial & error -
[/quote]

Let's not forget tilting the entire arm a tad too. It's less conspicuous than the hand alone.
Message: Posted by: oldi (Dec 1, 2013 02:15AM)
Instead of couloring the **** with a black marker: Take some foam and glue and give the doll a pair of shoe.
The gimmik will stick through and remains invisible 100%
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 1, 2013 07:01AM)
Foam? As in styrofoam?
Message: Posted by: oldi (Dec 1, 2013 11:08AM)
Sorry, I meant sponge.Cut 2 cylindric pieces of fine sponge out and glue them onto the feets of the doll; covering the gimmick - yet allows the secret working perfectly.
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 1, 2013 11:47AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 03:15, oldi wrote:
Instead of couloring the **** with a black marker: Take some foam and glue and give the doll a pair of shoe.
The gimmik will stick through and remains invisible 100%
[/quote]

um......why?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 1, 2013 12:05PM)
I would avoid adding things to the Haunted Doll. I've performed it dozens of times and there's nothing for them to discover. By adding things, it begins to scream prop/trick. IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 1, 2013 01:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 13:05, Zombie Magic wrote:
I would avoid adding things to the Haunted Doll. I've performed it dozens of times and there's nothing for them to discover. By adding things, it begins to scream prop/trick. IMHO.
[/quote]
I would tend to agree, however if it works for you, cool :)
Message: Posted by: todsky (Dec 1, 2013 02:38PM)
When the doll is left as is, people will see the metal posts and some will assume magnets are at work (this has already happened twice to me).
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 1, 2013 02:46PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-01 15:38, todsky wrote:
When the doll is left as is, people will see the metal posts and some will assume magnets are at work (this has already happened twice to me).
[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that. May I ask how you present the Haunted Doll? I think if it's done as a trick, then their mind naturally goes to solutions ( sometimes they're even correct;-)

As mentioned by others, I think having it on a cord around your neck and performing it only after they make comment is the way to go. Never mention magic/being a magician.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 1, 2013 02:59PM)
I use a flat black paint to dab on the metsl ends. I airbrush so I have special waterbased stuff that sticks to metal & stays flat to help hide the pin ends. If I didn't have my paint I would use some flat black oil based paint.....but nothing on the special place.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 2, 2013 07:21AM)
I like the idea with flat black paint. I just may give that a shot.
Message: Posted by: budja (Dec 2, 2013 01:02PM)
How about using it as a revelation prop? Maybe put some cards on the table then make it rise when it is over the card?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 2, 2013 01:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 09:21, magicbyswh wrote:
I still can't get this to stand straight. Only about 45 degrees. I have moved it around in my palm and tried different spots. Maybe the gimmick is angled incorrectly or inserted in the wood incorrectly. Any other advice?
[/quote]

Can we keep on topic please. Maybe your doctor can prescribe Viagra. Might wanna mention your wood fetish too.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 2, 2013 01:32PM)
:sun:
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Dec 2, 2013 03:43PM)
Ordered this from Penguin on Friday but got a email today saying they were out of stock. Is there any stores in the US that have it in stock?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 2, 2013 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-02 16:43, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
Ordered this from Penguin on Friday but got a email today saying they were out of stock. Is there any stores in the US that have it in stock?
[/quote]

The site says it's in stock: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16201

Maybe write Acar and ask.
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Dec 2, 2013 04:44PM)
Hmm weird. I bought it on Thanksgiving but got a email today from Amber at Penguin saying that it was not in stock and that I could get a refund or store credit. Thanks Zombie I will contact them.
Message: Posted by: mndude (Dec 2, 2013 04:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-02 14:19, pegasus wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-30 09:21, magicbyswh wrote:
I still can't get this to stand straight. Only about 45 degrees. I have moved it around in my palm and tried different spots. Maybe the gimmick is angled incorrectly or inserted in the wood incorrectly. Any other advice?
[/quote]

Can we keep on topic please. Maybe your doctor can prescribe Viagra. Might wanna mention your wood fetish too.
[/quote]

HAHAHA! You know a friend once said to me told me "When I was 20, I couldn't bend my (wood) at all. When I was 40 I could bend it 10 degrees. Now that I'm 60 I can bend it 30 degrees."
"Jeez Dude, what's you're point?" I asked him.
He replied "Just think how strong I'll be in another ten years!"
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 2, 2013 08:57PM)
:wow:
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Dec 3, 2013 09:52AM)
Yes Gordon, They are most probably sold out. We, System 6, completely sold out this past week, meaning all of our top carriers have also Sold out. Of course some magic shops, may still have, we had to take some of our personal copies to put up. We are on back-order and will be re-stocking our store and everyone one else as well...as of next week..

Seems the Haunted Doll really "Stood up" to the hype jiji.

Love, Hugs, and Applesauce.

- Devonte


[quote]
On 2013-12-02 16:43, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
Ordered this from Penguin on Friday but got a email today saying they were out of stock. Is there any stores in the US that have it in stock?
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 3, 2013 04:01PM)
It stood up, and it's still standing.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Dec 4, 2013 12:21AM)
I have 3 of the burlap sacks that I bought from Hobby Lobby that's shown in an eatlier post. But I like the one I made and distressed better. So if anyone wants a bag, please PM me with your address. They are free for the asking. I would appreciate that you also post here so the first 3 will be shown and there will not be tons of people PMing me.

P.S. But don't show tour address here, just say PM'd you.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 4, 2013 07:01AM)
Pm'd you.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Dec 4, 2013 07:26AM)
Shame, I missed this one, have to wait till theyre back in stock now :(
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Dec 4, 2013 04:01PM)
LOL , that's why we did the Pre-Order George.. lol Just messing with you. But hey, shoot over to System6Magic.com and once there ready to ship, you;ll be amonst the first to get it ;)

Thanks Buddy

[quote]
On 2013-12-04 08:26, george1953 wrote:
Shame, I missed this one, have to wait till theyre back in stock now :(
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 4, 2013 04:51PM)
Ronjo's magic on Long Island seems to have them in stock (on website)
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 4, 2013 04:56PM)
For those searching we have some in stock http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-system-6.html
Message: Posted by: JBCloseUpMagic (Dec 5, 2013 03:42PM)
Hi everyone!

So I just got mine today, and I love it already! I need some opinions though. Did you guys use a sharpie on the doll to help hide the gimmick or no? Personally I think it stands out like a sore thumb if its examined. I showed it to a friend and they found the gimmick in a second. So does coloring it make it less noticeable or what?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 5, 2013 04:45PM)
Ha JB
I had posted this in another page.
The sharpie does make it more noticeable.
But someone said that black paint work's better.
Personaly I think doing nothing to it is the best.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 5, 2013 05:00PM)
Like many Magicians, I like "tweaking" stuff, making adjustments, tailoring it to me. But I think System 6's release of Rogue's Haunted Doll is perfect.

And customer support second to none!

http://www.system6magic.com/collections/tricks/products/the-haunted-doll-by-rogue-and-system-6
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 5, 2013 06:13PM)
Yep, that was me that used paint. Personally for me the metal ends just looked weird so I used a dab of flat black paint on the ends, but I also have burned the ends with a lighter to blacken outer appendages so the flat black paint matches to blend in,but of course there is that one appendage I barely singed & unpainted. If I didn't burn it, I would have used some flat drk brown paint.

It's a personal thing to paint, burn or leave as is,......but if you hand it to someone & say "look at this" after you perform it, then you stand a better chance of discovery. I remove it from it's box or now off my necklace & hand it to them briefly (as I readjust my necklace), then take it back & perform it & control showing it to them after depending on how I feel that person may or may not be with it or simply put it back on my necklace so they can still see it but is out of they're touch.......
Message: Posted by: JBCloseUpMagic (Dec 5, 2013 06:19PM)
Bowers
Oh yea I see your post now. Anyone else care to give their opinion on the blackening of the gimmick?

Also do you guys hand out the doll after you do it? The gimmick seems to noticeable, unless I see it that easy just because I know its there. Do you guys even think its necessary to hand out afterwards?

Sorry for all of the noob questions. Im not used of working with props like this, Ive always just done card magic.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 5, 2013 06:24PM)
Here is my necklace set up with ring on it so I can remove it fast & replace without tying it on & off or performing with it on. I used a small ring from a key tag. (This is before I did any paint on ends)
Necklace ring for HD

HD loop to necklace

HD on necklace rear

HD on necklace final look
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 5, 2013 07:16PM)
Take the following warning as seriously as you desire:

I am a school teacher in a low-income, at-risk high school with a tremendously large immigrant population. Weekly, I perform a magic trick or two for them, and today's effect was The Haunted Doll. My initial performance was for a former student, one from Haiti, in the hallway before the school day began. I must preface by stating that my approach to magic and mentalism is usually one of cultural awareness. For instance, when I perform a "mind-reading" routine, I conclude with an "informative" explanation for the effect which makes it clear that I'm not claiming psychic or sacrilegious powers. The short of it is, I don't want Mommy and Daddy calling me up and telling me I'm blurring the lines between church and state in a litigious society full of crazy people that can't take things lightly and playfully.

So...I performed the trick for a Haitian kid. He flipped out. But it wasn't in a good way. First, he did rapidly swat my hand, almost uncontrollably, and he then shouted "That's some voodoo sh*t. Don't mess with that black magic mister. You playin' with powers you don't know about. I'm Haitian. You messin' with the wrong stuff." I did the "normal" backpedaling and cleaning up that a performer AND teacher must do at this point...apologizing? Not so much. Educating? Not so much. You can't educate a culture change in a five minute interaction.

So...as the day went on, I continued showing the effect to a few classes (hahah- maybe I truly am the devil?). The effect was continually met with negative, yet powerful, responses from the Haitian students. Now, I will leave out any and all rhetoric about that particular culture, but the warning is simply that this effect is not appropriate to all cultures- maybe in the same manner that a levitation routine where you flash the bottom of your shoes is inappropriate to one of those cultures that is offended by the bottom of your shoes.

Take it or leave it.

Maybe this means it's a good effect? Or maybe the shape and modeling of it resembling a voodoo doll is culturally insensitive when paired with a "trick" the way a levitating crucifix may insult my mom. I dunno. You pick. All I do know is I'll be leaving this one home, not in my desk at work. Not sure which one I more anxiously await. Your responses or the parent phonecalls.

Also, learned a valuable lesson about haphazardly removing the gimmick. I've got trackmarks on my hand, and not much of a "sweet" spot.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 5, 2013 07:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 19:24, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Here is my necklace set up with ring on it so I can remove it fast & replace without tying it on & off or performing with it on. I used a small ring from a key tag. (This is before I did any paint on ends)
Necklace ring for HD

HD loop to necklace

HD on necklace rear

HD on necklace final look
[/quote]

Beautiful! Thanks for taking the time to photograph and share them with us!
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 5, 2013 08:01PM)
Your welcome Z man,happy to take time & share :)

Hey Robvs, that is actually good FYI/advice from your situation/story. I had something like that weeks ago at a friends, they're neighbors kids had some friends over that had Haitian background & when I did HD for them,......well lets just say it became a very interestingly powerful response from the kids & the parents......needless to say I am now viewed as a "bad man" by those neighbors.....LoL

& as for the haphazardly manner that your doll was removed by them,.....I didn't have that happen, but o-u-c-h-ies

Yes some of what we do as bizzarist's we do have to sometimes tread lightly & understand what line we may cross with others religion's & belief's.........
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Dec 5, 2013 08:15PM)
ANY magic can offend someone. From the superstitious/un-educated to religious zealots. Sponge balls can scare/offend them. I'm always prepared for them, however. When they spout their pap, I pull out the Goshman Ding Dong. GAME OVER!
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 5, 2013 08:18PM)
OH NO - not the,the, the dreaded Ding Dong !?!?? (runs & hides under his bed)
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 5, 2013 08:43PM)
Yea that one scare's me too.....
Todd
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 5, 2013 09:42PM)
I had someone send me one of those as a "thow in" for an online order. lol

Let the record show, the haphazard removal of the gimmick was MY haphazard removal of the gimmick for the day, not the kid's swatting.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 5, 2013 10:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 19:24, Merlinsmagic wrote:
Here is my necklace set up with ring on it so I can remove it fast & replace without tying it on & off or performing with it on. I used a small ring from a key tag. (This is before I did any paint on ends) [/quote]

Fantastic simple idea that fits the prop perfecty in style
Love it
Gonna use it
Thank You
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Dec 6, 2013 09:19AM)
@ Merlin : WOW Amazing! We would love to carry a few on our site... A possible cool accessory made available to the Loyal HD owners
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 6, 2013 09:54AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-06 10:19, Devontemagic wrote:
@ Merlin : WOW Amazing! We would love to carry a few on our site... A possible cool accessory made available to the Loyal HD owners


[/quote]

Thank you, I think I can help supply these for you & loyal HD owners :)
Maybe even in a few different lace colors......
Message: Posted by: egoli (Dec 6, 2013 11:31AM)
What is the best place to purchase the necklaces and what length of necklace is recommended?
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 7, 2013 07:13PM)
Guys, I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but you will look like a bunch of idiots with those things around your necks.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 7, 2013 07:52PM)
I do anyhow so no harm done lol
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 7, 2013 10:22PM)
I wear mine around my neck on occasion's.
I haven't had anyone call me a idiot yet..
But it does draw their attention to ask what it is.
And then the magic begin's.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 7, 2013 11:01PM)
When they say, "What is that around your neck?" They are not asking in a nice way? It is like my wife asking "What is that belt?" because it doesn't match my shoes. If I show her a trick with the belt, she will say, "Well, you still look like an idiot."
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 9, 2013 03:18PM)
I don't feel it looks idiotic. No more than a cross. In fact, some have thought it was a variation on a cross, and they have commented "That's an interesting cross".
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 9, 2013 04:02PM)
I tend to agree with robvs that unless you have developed a performing character and costume this fits or you are member of a heavy metal band or a cult :)... this may look a little out of place hanging around your neck. Don't get me wrong I love the prop but wearing it as a fashion piece may be signaling things to people you don't want. Ultimately each person will do or wear what is comfortable for them... for the record I hate the ties with playing cards all over them as well :)

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 9, 2013 08:35PM)
I wear clown shoes so that someone will ask me if I juggle.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 9, 2013 08:59PM)
Ha Robvs your wife would say the shoe's don't
match your belt and your still a idiot.Lol
Todd
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 9, 2013 10:28PM)
Indeed.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Dec 10, 2013 04:20PM)
WE ARE BACK IN STOCK!!!!!!!!! WOOHOOO...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 10, 2013 09:36PM)
I hope you guys sell a zillion more.
Message: Posted by: Devontemagic (Dec 13, 2013 10:32AM)
THANKS DAFFYDOUG, Your positive mind has become reality. the Haunted Doll will be going out of STOCK soon again. We are back in back order. But we still have several at our site system6magic.com
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 13, 2013 11:25AM)
That's awesome to hear Devonte ! This little guy has really become a big hit, I wear mine every day & I would say that my HD gets the most attention & use as of now and has become my primary intro effect on an everyday basis !!

I have yet to get any comments other than "that's a cool & different looking necklace","has a raw-rugged look,wear can I get one",etc, never made me look like or feel like an idiot for wearing it. If a bunch of us magi's were standing together wearing the same HD necklace & all performing the same, then perhaps we would look rather awkwardly strange (replacing with the use of the neg -look like idiots-)

Of course I would not wear it as necklace with a suit'n tie,that would look out of place. To each his own to introduce an HD & they're opinions like wearing it around your neck or not. For daily street walk around it has fit perfectly with just my daily reg attire of a T shirt & blue jeans.....

I still use my latest custom HD box with different effects/props & routines I have been intertwining it with & get crazy cool reactions with my HD & the other effects it works with !
(Newest box with Theeban Witch writing, spells "Haunted Doll,warning/dangerous" & protection spells/talisman's on top & each side to keep the dark things inside :))

HD box 2 top view with Witch Theban script

HD box front opened

Really has become a very simple & versatile piece of equipment for me & a great eye catcher that starts up people asking about it that leads to more !!

Working on an aged leather wrap for dress attire to carry around. Hope to be able to have it ready to test out this Sat at the wife's company Xmas party :)
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Dec 13, 2013 12:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-13 12:25, Merlinsmagic wrote:
That's awesome to hear Devonte ! This little guy has really become a big hit, I wear mine every day & I would say that my HD gets the most attention & use as of now and has become my primary intro effect on an everyday basis !!

I have yet to get any comments other than "that's a cool & different looking necklace","has a raw-rugged look,wear can I get one",etc, never made me look like or feel like an idiot for wearing it. If a bunch of us magi's were standing together wearing the same HD necklace & all performing the same, then perhaps we would look rather awkwardly strange (replacing with the use of the neg -look like idiots-)

Of course I would not wear it as necklace with a suit'n tie,that would look out of place. To each his own to introduce an HD & they're opinions like wearing it around your neck or not. For daily street walk around it has fit perfectly with just my daily reg attire of a T shirt & blue jeans.....

I still use my latest custom HD box with different effects/props & routines I have been intertwining it with & get crazy cool reactions with my HD & the other effects it works with !
(Newest box with Theeban Witch writing, spells "Haunted Doll,warning/dangerous" & protection spells/talisman's on top & each side to keep the dark things inside :))

HD box 2 top view with Witch Theban script

HD box front opened

Really has become a very simple & versatile piece of equipment for me & a great eye catcher that starts up people asking about it that leads to more !!

Working on an aged leather wrap for dress attire to carry around. Hope to be able to have it ready to test out this Sat at the wife's company Xmas party :)

[/quote]

agree totally and that is one spooky looking box, great job!
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Dec 15, 2013 04:30PM)
Im interested in this since its up my alley of love of Horror. Plus I'm a huge fan of American Horror Story so this looks like something I will get myself for xmas.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Dec 15, 2013 05:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 17:30, paisa23 wrote:
Im interested in this since its up my alley of love of Horror. Plus I'm a huge fan of American Horror Story so this looks like something I will get myself for xmas.
[/quote]

Awesome!
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 15, 2013 07:04PM)
I wonder what would happen if you walked into a church and started performing this, Has anyone tried?
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 15, 2013 07:08PM)
I don't think that would go over well with
some in the church.As the old expression say's.
Don't temp faith.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 15, 2013 08:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 20:08, bowers wrote:
I don't think that would go over well with
some in the church.As the old expression say's.
Don't temp faith.
[/quote]

I agree 100%.

I just placed an order, I been considering this for the past week, today I decided after reading some of the comments here to take the plunge and give one of these dolls a new home here in Australia, However I will not be attempting it in a church.
Message: Posted by: 2012multimagic (Dec 16, 2013 11:14AM)
I love this little guy !!.. (or girl :S..)... freaks the s*** outta people...

great “prop”...always carry it with me... :D
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 17, 2013 03:30PM)
I just had this thought: You could combine it with a smoke device like vapr and have smoke swirling around the doll as it rises. Magical. Very magical indeed!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 17, 2013 03:32PM)
As for churches, whenever I attend, I make sure to leave the doll at home.

I pretty much think the result is predictable.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 17, 2013 04:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-17 16:30, daffydoug wrote:
I just had this thought: You could combine it with a smoke device like vapr and have smoke swirling around the doll as it rises. Magical. Very magical indeed!
[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that, I was thinking the exact same thing an hour ago. Looking forward to mine arriving in the post, will be a long wait. as he or she has a long way to travel.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 17, 2013 05:00PM)
Without the first one I ordered arriving, I just ordered another. That's two doll's in the last few days. Going from what I have read here, I don't think I will regret my two purchases.

I saw a youtube video today of a performance whereby the doll kept on rising to the point it was straight up and down, it didn't stop there, it kept going and fell in the other direction. Awesome footage. Prior to viewing this video, I've only seen the doll performed upto a 45 degree angle.

PS,
Wow, I didn't realize how much our dollar has dropped overnight.
2nd order has cost me $60.00 delivered. Ouch.

Worth it if I can get the spectators reactions, I think that's where the true Magic is, it's in the spectators reactions and to brighten someones day. For me the Magic is in the response, the Joys or shock in people's faces is the real magic.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Dec 18, 2013 01:39AM)
One in each hand. A double rise. Twins.
Message: Posted by: Misophoniac (Dec 18, 2013 05:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-05 21:15, Zombie Magic wrote:
I pull out the Goshman Ding Dong. GAME OVER![/quote]

My favorite google search of the week. Just watched a performance video and nearly fell backwards out of my chair! :rotf:

[quote]
On 2013-12-13 12:25, Merlinsmagic wrote:

HD box front opened[/quote]

The charring inside the box lid is awesome. Gives it more of a sinister vibe.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 18, 2013 06:43PM)
That's a great looking box, I must find something like that for my two new dolls.

Are you suppose to receive a notification of shipment? I have not received any notifications that my dolls have left for there big journey to a new home to find more people to spook. :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 20, 2013 11:19PM)
This has been such a great thread. I wonder if it's about burn out.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 21, 2013 12:14AM)
Still enjoying my doll's very much.
Todd
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 21, 2013 09:11AM)
When they sing auld Lang syne, this is going on my list of top magic purchases of 2013.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Dec 22, 2013 11:19AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-21 10:11, daffydoug wrote:
When they sing auld Lang syne, this is going on my list of top magic purchases of 2013.
[/quote]

I hope it can make a place in the Café Best of 2013! :)
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 22, 2013 12:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-22 12:19, SIX wrote:
I hope it can make a place in the Café Best of 2013! :)
[/quote]

Well it definitely has for me !! I have found more ways to cross the HD over & use with other effects to create new effects, use to enhance current simple effects as well as by itself presentations......I even recently did a few (on the fly) small performances with a Christmas spirit twist & even a representation of the rebirth (rising) of Christ with it for a Minister & couple his members Sat nite & got a surprisingly well responded applause !! (Who says ya can't do HD for church ! :) LoL

What I love about the HD is that be it in a creepy box or around my neck, it has been one of my top fav buys for this year ! The necklace idea use has been the best as I never have had to use the "wanna see something ?" approach. It has sold itself from being unusual enough that creates it's own curiosity for people to ask or comment on it - then the magic happens !

So my vote on Best buys/effect of 2013 will have to be the HD (for me) :)
Merry Xmas Devonte & Six !!!!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 22, 2013 02:42PM)
Yeah, Merry Christmas you guys!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 22, 2013 03:57PM)
Same here Merry Christmas...
Message: Posted by: mrmakeithappen (Dec 22, 2013 05:54PM)
It's got my vote for one of my favorite purchases of the year.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 22, 2013 08:26PM)
With all these votes, maybe we can elect haunted doll
president.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 22, 2013 08:50PM)
HD has my vote for sure.
Todd
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 23, 2013 08:27AM)
Well, one thing for sure, h.d. has really (ahem) "stood up to all the hype."

(Please don't throw tomatoes.)
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 23, 2013 04:22PM)
One of my dolls has arrived, What's with the DVD? I can not select the different chapters with my remote.

Spent a good 2 hours yesterday trying to get the doll to perform, ended up watching DVD on my computer. My hands look like I attacked it with sandpaper and is painful. Still sore 12 hours later and I could not get it to rise more than a cm or two. Tried all over. I found a much easier way to perform this that don't use the traditional methods as shown here, I can get the doll now to stand right up and no pain, requires an additional prop that I had nearby.
Message: Posted by: SlipperySnake (Dec 23, 2013 09:22PM)
Worked great for me... It took a little bit to find the sweet spot, but I can now get it to stand completely upright now with ease.
Message: Posted by: orion4211 (Dec 23, 2013 10:22PM)
Works great for me too! I went to micheals craft store today and found a real neat box that I am goin to stain to create a housing for the doll. When it's done I'll post a picture.
Message: Posted by: mrmakeithappen (Dec 24, 2013 04:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 23:22, orion4211 wrote:
Works great for me too! I went to micheals craft store today and found a real neat box that I am goin to stain to create a housing for the doll. When it's done I'll post a picture.
[/quote]

Please do - I love seeing all the creativity people are using for this effect.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 24, 2013 08:48PM)
Did this tonight at our family Christmas gathering.
Blowed everyone's mind's.They had no idea how it was done.
Todd
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Dec 25, 2013 04:40AM)
Got this for Christmas and it's great!
Really easy to do and I can it to rise fully 😄
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 25, 2013 06:09AM)
This has helped men around
the world get a rise for Christmas.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 25, 2013 09:25AM)
Hmmm, HD as the new posterchild for Vigra......lol
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 25, 2013 11:24AM)
Yep. With haunted doll, you can now walk up to strangers on the street and say "Wanna see my little woody? " (And I don't mean woodpecker.)
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Dec 25, 2013 12:05PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-25 12:24, daffydoug wrote:
Yep. With haunted doll, you can now walk up to strangers on the street and say "Wanna see my little woody? " (And I don't mean woodpecker.)
[/quote]

LMAO :) That'll either get ya a gig or arrested.......lol
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Dec 25, 2013 12:11PM)
Well...looks like this is out of stock...oh well...no hurry.

Doug
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Dec 25, 2013 12:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-25 12:24, daffydoug wrote:
Yep. With haunted doll, you can now walk up to strangers on the street and say "Wanna see my little woody? " (And I don't mean woodpecker.)
[/quote]

😂
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 25, 2013 07:17PM)
I don't like showing my
woody to just anybody.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 25, 2013 09:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-25 20:17, bowers wrote:
I don't like showing my
woody to just anybody.
[/quote]

I guess it depends who it is. :) :)

Sometimes mine rises higher in front of males, maybe it's gay. I can assure you it's not me. Must try harder in front of woman.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 25, 2013 11:57PM)
This thread has definitely gone into territory where no haunted doll has gone before.
Message: Posted by: NocturnalMagic (Dec 26, 2013 12:33AM)
Need some advice, I was messing around with my doll today and it seems that its easy to spot the gimmick, any ideas what I may be doing wrong?
Message: Posted by: NocturnalMagic (Dec 26, 2013 12:33AM)
Pm me plz
Message: Posted by: NocturnalMagic (Dec 26, 2013 12:34AM)
Also for those who do this all the time, what do you think about combining this with Vapor?
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Dec 26, 2013 03:12AM)
Use a sharpie and colour all the ends of the doll as described on the DVD.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 26, 2013 07:15AM)
I already mentioned the Vapr idea. Now all I need to do is come up with the bucks for Vapr.
Message: Posted by: mndude (Dec 26, 2013 09:25AM)
I've used this with Pure Smoke. I thought it created a cool effect, but then everyone seemed more concerned of what I had up my sleeve then caring that this doll was rising on its own.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Dec 26, 2013 12:50PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-26 00:57, daffydoug wrote:
This thread has definitely gone into territory where no haunted doll has gone before.
[/quote]

That is VERY true, be sure to vote it up on Jamie D Grants best effect of 2013! :)
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Dec 26, 2013 01:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 17:22, phillipsart wrote:
One of my dolls has arrived, What's with the DVD? I can not select the different chapters with my remote.

Spent a good 2 hours yesterday trying to get the doll to perform, ended up watching DVD on my computer. My hands look like I attacked it with sandpaper and is painful. Still sore 12 hours later and I could not get it to rise more than a cm or two. Tried all over. I found a much easier way to perform this that don't use the traditional methods as shown here, I can get the doll now to stand right up and no pain, requires an additional prop that I had nearby.
[/quote]

You're not alone bud. Content is terrible anyway. Just figure it out on your own with trial and error. If you want to tear a little hole in your jeans then investigate navigating through the chapters by ripping the disc to your computer and playing the individual files with vlc player.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Dec 26, 2013 01:42PM)
Just back from a family dinner.

This and Inferno were the winners
Message: Posted by: Jim Stan Magic Man (Dec 26, 2013 10:33PM)
My wife and son got me one of these little guys for Christmas. Very nice! The only issue is the DVD is a little screwy when trying to use the menu. It appears that it does not move when you hit the down arrow for the next chapter. But when you do and hit play it does work. None of the chapters highlight when you try to select one.

I had no trouble getting this to work. It is actually quite easy to make it rise. Sometimes it even moves close to 90 degrees. Looks much better than the voodoo doll that I have. This should be fun to use.

Jim
Message: Posted by: TomConsole (Dec 26, 2013 11:27PM)
Thought I would chime is and make this my first real post (other than my introduction post). I bought HD a couple months ago and love it. Everyone assumes there is a thread, and at first sometimes I lead them into thinking that there really is. But then I take their finger and circle it all around proving there is not. A few times my spectator has grabbed the doll and examined it very closely, but amazingly nothing has ever been detected. Really drives them crazy!
Message: Posted by: maps (Dec 27, 2013 12:49AM)
I ordered two and have been waiting for it for over two months and it's not here yet! I've emailed many times with promises of "I'll look into it" but never did.
I am very disappointed.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 27, 2013 09:01AM)
Jim Stan,

You had the exact same problem I did with the DVD. I just figured it out on my own.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 27, 2013 01:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-27 00:27, TomConsole wrote:
Thought I would chime is and make this my first real post (other than my introduction post). I bought HD a couple months ago and love it. Everyone assumes there is a thread, and at first sometimes I lead them into thinking that there really is. But then I take their finger and circle it all around proving there is not. A few times my spectator has grabbed the doll and examined it very closely, but amazingly nothing has ever been detected. Really drives them crazy!
[/quote]

Thanks Tom!

Glad to see you here on the Café my friend.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 28, 2013 08:02AM)
Cheers!
Message: Posted by: NocturnalMagic (Dec 30, 2013 12:59AM)
Its a very light difference between the two, I can see it on my xbox one and not my 360. I am having some handling issues, if someone who has it and preforms it on a normal basis could PM me that would be great, don't want to discuss the method in public.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Dec 30, 2013 02:57AM)
Would be great if this came with a gimmicked & ungimmicked doll.
Agreed, DVD menu is horrible
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Dec 30, 2013 07:40AM)
DVD menu is not only horrible, its unusable. I never ever came upon such a problem with DVD and I seen a lot of DVD's.

I have to view this on my computer.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Dec 30, 2013 12:19PM)
Just received this about an hour ago and already it is working fine! Wasn’t difficult at all to get it to rise all the way to upright in my hand. Very cool!

I didn't try the DVD in a set-top DVD player; I just ripped it to my hard drive and played it with the VLC player - which is what I do with all my magic DVDs. No problem playing it. However once I select a chapter there is no direct way back to the main menu. But after each chapter plays it returns back to the main menu on its own, so that works for me.

As for working the doll itself there isn't really a lot of instruction needed; this little guy works exactly as explained and I am not having any difficulty with it. It can rise all the way each time. Love it!

Any word on additional dolls? Or the box that was mentioned earlier? I'll be ordering more as soon as they make them available.

Thanks!

Jim
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 30, 2013 12:54PM)
After hundred's of time's using this.
My gimmick loosen and started swiveling.
I just put a drop of super glue on it.
And it's ready again for some more fun.
Todd
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 30, 2013 05:16PM)
I'll keep that in mind. Mine is holding up very well.
Message: Posted by: Whimsical Guy (Dec 30, 2013 07:03PM)
Just joined and this is my first post. I've been coming here for awhile unregistered and reading reviews. Really enjoy this place.

I just received the HD today and really like it. Great item. I was one of the guys who got a bad DVD. Wouldn't play on my standalone player. Like others have said I couldn't select chapters. If I just hit play it would only play the performance part and then go back to the main menu so had to play it on the computer. But that said I really like this illusion alot.

I actually wasn't familiar with any previous tricks that used a similar gimmick before this doll but I knew what the gimmick was before ordering because of a bad performance on youtube of some guy reviewing it which made it obvious, but it's very clever and I love the look of the doll. I blackened the ends of each appendage with a sharpie just because I like the look better. I don't know if it will actually help hide the gimmick more but I think it looks better. Just a personal preference. But yeah great item.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 30, 2013 07:33PM)
Welcome to the café Whimsical Guy.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Dec 30, 2013 08:51PM)
Yes. Welcome!
Message: Posted by: marjochan (Jan 2, 2014 09:48AM)
Hi, just fresh from the introduction page and wanted to say how impressed I am with this version of the haunted doll. It has passed the wife and daughter test so it has to be good. I have made up a casket like box for him to go into to protect him. It has an up and over lid with magnets to secure it down with a made to measure interior. The doll and casket has had great reactions so far including a couple who ran away never to be seen again.
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 4, 2014 06:42PM)
This looks like a great illusion. I read in another thread on the Café that the gimmick has to be inserted under your skin and can cause you to bleed, which seems odd to me as why would anyone want open wounds in public from performing an illusion.

I'm not saying this does that of course. I just want to clarify it's [i]not[/i] true.

Thanks :).
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jan 4, 2014 06:44PM)
It never has done any of that
to my hand's.
Todd
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 4, 2014 06:45PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-04 19:44, bowers wrote:
It never has done any of that
to my hand's.
Todd
[/quote]

So I don't have to break my skin to insert the gimmick then?
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jan 4, 2014 06:50PM)
Sent you a pm on this.
Todd
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 4, 2014 07:05PM)
Thank you Todd, I appreciate that.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jan 4, 2014 07:07PM)
Your welcome buddy anytime.
Todd
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 4, 2014 07:15PM)
Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately, it's a pass for me.
Message: Posted by: ThatsCool (Jan 4, 2014 07:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-23 17:22, phillipsart wrote:
One of my dolls has arrived, What's with the DVD? I can not select the different chapters with my remote.

Spent a good 2 hours yesterday trying to get the doll to perform, ended up watching DVD on my computer. My hands look like I attacked it with sandpaper and is painful. Still sore 12 hours later and I could not get it to rise more than a cm or two. Tried all over. I found a much easier way to perform this that don't use the traditional methods as shown here, I can get the doll now to stand right up and no pain, requires an additional prop that I had nearby.
[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, this looks excellent, but for me, it's unacceptable doing what you have to do to your bare skin to make it work.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Jan 4, 2014 07:42PM)
Wear a pair of tight fitting white cloth gloves. Its the only way I could get this to work. I tried without gloves. My hands are to soft and sensitive for this.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 4, 2014 09:31PM)
Hey That's Cool, hope things are well with you. I have been using this method for 20+ years with Okito dolls, skeleton hands, pens and now the Haunted Doll. For me it has been a reliable method that gets great reactions. However I understand the method is not for everyone.

John
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Jan 5, 2014 12:55PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-04 22:31, J M Talbot wrote:
Hey That's Cool, hope things are well with you. I have been using this method for 20+ years with Okito dolls, skeleton hands, pens and now the Haunted Doll. For me it has been a reliable method that gets great reactions. However I understand the method is not for everyone.

John
[/quote]

Can you point me in the direction of these other effects which use a similar method. You raised an eyebrow.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 5, 2014 01:25PM)
Hi Robvs,

The Voodo Doll was more or less the standard version prior to the Haunted Doll.... http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S7440 Still a good version if you are looking for a different look in the doll. The straw limbs when burnt on the ends disguise the gaff nicely. Prior to this Fukai sold an Okito doll which I liked but is no longer available.

Dave Powell sold a version as a small skeleton hand that I have used a lot.... http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S10715
Alas it is unfortunately no longer available, but some dealers may still have stock.

Gen Grant made a Bic Pen version. A little tricker to do than the doll version from a balance perspective but have used it on occasion. Also has the smallest gaff. http://winklersmagicwarehouse.com/store/close-up-misc/rising-pen-general-grant/

A larger version called the Wicker Man used to be available as well. Was great for parlor shows.... http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S7458

Tom Burgoon makes a bottle cap allowing you to perform the effect with a water bottle called Bottom's Up... http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11619 I like the idea but find it the hardest vesion to do.

Years ago you could purchase pencil versions, discussed here....
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=320728&forum=130

The Haunted Doll is a great addition to a long list of effects using this method.

John
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 5, 2014 01:44PM)
Some might find these posts of interest as well.... http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=486486&forum=14
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jan 5, 2014 02:23PM)
I have been thinking about getting this effect for a good while now, I have one major question though... Why has this Haunted Doll received so much more attention then the virtually identical VooDoo Doll ever has???

Is the Haunted Doll easier to control then the VooDoo doll? Does it balance better? Is there some major quality differences between these gimmicks?

Personally, there is something about the look of the voodoo doll that I like better, maybe it's the freaky mummy looking bandages wrapped around it, but then again, I do like the look of the haunted doll as well, it has more of a blair witch, haunted look to it.


So, is there really a difference between these two, if so, what are they?


Thx


P
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 5, 2014 02:46PM)
Great question Piz. No question the Haunted Doll is a great looking prop and has been marketed well. Also Rogue has some nice handling tips. However the difference between the Haunted and Voodoo/Okito doll are mainly cosmetic, they all ultimately work the same way. I have owned and used most of the items using this method put out in the past 25 years or more.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 5, 2014 08:00PM)
Randi Rain has a version of the Okito Voodoo doll called Magic Poppets. Different look altogether. http://www.raincloudmagic.com/page/9/

Jim
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 5, 2014 08:15PM)
Thanks Jim, that is a version I have not tried yet.

John
Message: Posted by: tobajer (Jan 5, 2014 08:20PM)
Is it easy for beginner to learn ?
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 5, 2014 08:41PM)
The concept is easy but like anything takes some work to look magical. Done badly the method can be obvious. I have been doing this for many years but picked up a couple of nuances from Rogue on the HD dvd that has improved the way I do it. Read through the posts and you will get a sense if it is for you or not, the method is not for everyone.

Feel free to PM me if you have a specific question.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 5, 2014 09:26PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-05 21:20, tobajer wrote:
Is it easy for beginner to learn ?
[/quote]

As far as being able to do it, or having to learn any difficult sleights? Yes, it is extremely easy to learn. You'll still want to practice and rehearse because how you present this is the most important aspect. But you should have no problems learning how to perform with the Haunted Doll.

Jim
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 6, 2014 12:42AM)
Easy as proverbial pie.
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jan 6, 2014 07:57AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-06 00:39, Dallas Robbins wrote:
All this talk has convinced me to order this. Looks way creepy and cool. I'm curious of what kind of patter people have been using. I'm thinking of a story like, I found this when I was kid while digging in a field, and I've always held on to it because of what it does. Just a general thought that I think I might develop a little more after getting the doll.
[/quote]


I'm a bit late to the party here, but I just put my order in for the HD.

I'm gonna be taking it step further inorder to scare the living cr*p out of people, especially family members.

I am purching a Wiccan book of Spells (im leaning toward one of these... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1416501584/ref=mp_s_a_1_13?qid=1389015651&sr=8-13&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70 )... or this pocket sized version, which I can carry with me anywhere, this one goes so perfect with the look of the HD... http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000RUDDQG/ref=mp_s_a_1_32?qid=1389018109&sr=8-32&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70 ...

I will then tell those I am about to do the Haunted Doll too that the Doll came with the book, and the book teaches that once the reader has become loyal and worthy of such Wiccan powers, the Doll shall rise before him/her. The book explains to wear the Doll around your neck (as a necklace, I personally love this idea of the HD as a necklace) inorder to bless the person in contact with the doll of the wiccan blessings.

My woman is going to FREAK OUT once she sees I bought a Wicca book (and think I got a freaky looking doll with it! Haha), she is Terrified of anything to do with that religion and belief, and this is mainly due to episodes of "The Haunting" we have watched together on the Discovery Channel, where Wicca spells introduced demonic entities within the homes of those not fully understand what they are getting into by trying to enforce spells on others.


Some of you may think I'm taking this a bit far, but hey, I'm going all out with this one, the Haunted Doll will live up to it's name in my hands. :)


P
Message: Posted by: Piz (Jan 6, 2014 08:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 00:01, Robvs wrote:
When they say, "What is that around your neck?" They are not asking in a nice way? It is like my wife asking "What is that belt?" because it doesn't match my shoes. If I show her a trick with the belt, she will say, "Well, you still look like an idiot."
[/quote]

I really hope your just trolling and not being serious with all these posts of yours? If you are somehow being serious...

The part of being a magician is having an imagination and creativity within your self, style of performance, and thinking ahead.

Having the necklace around the neck resting on your chest is open game for any serious Magi, which is a position any serious performer loves to be in. Most of us are not in High School anymore, and the people I perform for aren't either. Style is for the judgemental, and once you judge me that's my cue to freak you out! :) Get me?


P
Message: Posted by: tobajer (Jan 7, 2014 06:12PM)
J M Talbot, J-Mac and daffydoug,
Thanks a lot for reply. I will get it when is back in stock :)

BTW How do you turn on email notifications that sb replied to your post ? I did not receive any email...

Tom
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Jan 7, 2014 10:31PM)
I perform the voodoo doll this way: spec chooses one card, the card goes back into the deck and is shuffled. give the doll to the spec and tell him to place it on his forehead so the doll can read his mind when he thinks of his card.

you cut the deck into two piles and introduce your voodoo doll that has the ability to find his card in a very unusual way. your hand goes over the first pile, nothing happens (that pile will be eliminated, over the second pile and the doll starts to move just a little bit. this pile will be cut again into 2 piles and the same procedure as
before (the doll just moves a little bit, but now a bit more as before. one more time and now you are left with perhaps 5 or 6 cards.

you place them in a row on the table and move your hand with the doll over the row of cards and the doll starts to move and raise up completely just exactly on their card.

give it a try. I can promise that it kills and is a logical way, why the doll raises up. you can also use it in conjunction with many mentalism routines, as a lie detector and so on.

I love my doll and will definetly buy some more because they are perfectly made and extremely entertaining. after the doll has raised up, I take the first finger of the spec and move it around the doll to proove, that no IT is supporting it.

when I snap my finger the doll falls on command off my hand.

hope you like it guys
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jan 7, 2014 11:56PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-07 19:12, tobajer wrote:
J M Talbot, J-Mac and daffydoug,
Thanks a lot for reply. I will get it when is back in stock :)

BTW How do you turn on email notifications that sb replied to your post ? I did not receive any email...

Tom


[/quote]

Uhh... They don’t do that here. Forum bosses seem to think that's a very difficult task. :huh:

Jim
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Jan 8, 2014 12:10AM)
Rasmus,
Thank you for that! I've always thought that the voodoo doll presentation was missing something. I think this is just great.
Thanks.
KJ
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 8, 2014 08:45AM)
Why didn't I think of that?
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Jan 8, 2014 03:25PM)
I had just a little reaction of the crowd with the original performance. with that in mind, I decided
to take this tool to a higher level and bring the doll to life in the very moment, that my hand passes
over the chosen card.

killer reactions are guaranteed. just use any card control you have and control the card to the bottom. a short card works also very good and with no sleight of hand at all.
the rest is showtime.

it's probably yet stronger if the spectator places his hand directly under your hand (the hands can touch if you like)
gives a very strange sensation.

very appriciated if you like my approach for this wonderful item. use it any way you like to detect cards, any other item or as a lie detector.

have fun

ps: I will post a little demo soon, ok?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jan 8, 2014 03:41PM)
I'd love to see that demo. I think your idea is the next logical step in taking the haunted doll where no doll has gone before
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jan 8, 2014 04:03PM)
LOVE IT!!!
Message: Posted by: Spicoli (Jan 8, 2014 06:03PM)
Been playing with this a lot lately. Still gets fantastic reactions. So happy with this purchase!
Message: Posted by: tobajer (Jan 9, 2014 03:31AM)
[/quote]

Uhh... They don’t do that here. Forum bosses seem to think that's a very difficult task. :huh:

Jim
[/quote]

Ahhh. No worries then... Thanks M8

Tom
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 12, 2014 09:33PM)
Playing around with 'Vapr' and 'Soundzamazing'......

http://youtu.be/MFkyLPLgLKM
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Jan 12, 2014 10:20PM)
Rasp,

Very nice.
Message: Posted by: maps (Jan 13, 2014 09:23AM)
It's close to three months now since I made my order but I have not yet received mine.
I emailed many times to Six but all empty promises and now he didn't even bothered to reply.
What should I do?
Message: Posted by: Robvs (Jan 16, 2014 09:45PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-06 21:54, Piz wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-08 00:01, Robvs wrote:
When they say, "What is that around your neck?" They are not asking in a nice way? It is like my wife asking "What is that belt?" because it doesn't match my shoes. If I show her a trick with the belt, she will say, "Well, you still look like an idiot."
[/quote]

I really hope your just trolling and not being serious with all these posts of yours? If you are somehow being serious...

The part of being a magician is having an imagination and creativity within your self, style of performance, and thinking ahead.

Having the necklace around the neck resting on your chest is open game for any serious Magi, which is a position any serious performer loves to be in. Most of us are not in High School anymore, and the people I perform for aren't either. Style is for the judgemental, and once you judge me that's my cue to freak you out! :) Get me?


P
[/quote]

Nope...absolutely serious. It's true that the things you wear can make you look like an idiot. Agree to disagree. Wear whatever you want...but I will indeed judge you. You should get a tribal tattoo to go along with the trick. It would be awesome and then you could REALLY freak me out.

P.S. Fred Durst's red hat was awesome
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Jan 17, 2014 03:55PM)
To All
I've been temped to get this effect ,but I don't see how the secret is not revealed when it's handed out. Is it better to just not hand it out for examination ?
Thanks
Ralph
Message: Posted by: marjochan (Jan 17, 2014 04:28PM)
[quote]
I've been temped to get this effect ,but I don't see how the secret is not revealed when it's handed out. Is it better to just not hand it out for examination ?
Thanks
Ralph
[/quote]

I would say it is up to you what you do but I have never been caught. I have rested it in their hand for a brief moment before and after the routine. To be honest, I would not leave it in their hands for too long and why should I? I move on. Most of the time, I don't hand it out. Again, why should I?

I try out a lot of my new stuff on my wife and she knows a lot of gimmicks etc. I performed this one in front of her and she was very impressed. She assumed it was IT even though she checked. After, I placed it in her hand for a good 2 minutes and she still had no idea.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 17, 2014 05:32PM)
If you sense that they are the type that is going to want to inspect every inch of it then I would not hand it out. But for most, since they have no idea what to look for, a few moments of them handling it is totally fine. It always strikes me as funny when some specs will take something from you and barely glance at it and hand it back immediately, yet you can tell that they feel like they thoroughly examined it.
I guess they figure that if you would let them have it, then they are not likely to find anything anyway, so why waste a lot of time looking.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jan 18, 2014 03:40AM)
I hand it out before doing the effect.
Job done
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jan 18, 2014 08:05AM)
Yes I think handing it out first
is better because the spec doesn't
even know what their looking for.
Todd
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Jan 18, 2014 08:08AM)
I never had any one questioning the Doll when they examined it. They check
it out at the End, when the Doll falls on the Table.

The Prop is extremely well made.
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Jan 18, 2014 12:10PM)
Thanks everyone for your replies.I do like the idea of handing it out first.
Message: Posted by: 1031ent (Jan 20, 2014 09:16PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-08 16:25, rasmus wrote:
I had just a little reaction of the crowd with the original performance. with that in mind, I decided
to take this tool to a higher level and bring the doll to life in the very moment, that my hand passes
over the chosen card.

[/quote]

Want to kick it up a notch? Use tarot cards.
Message: Posted by: Whimsical Guy (Jan 20, 2014 09:51PM)
Here's a question for any one...does the thread that's wrapped around the doll serve any purpose other than decoration? I mean does it help hold the doll together in any way? I noticed that the thread that's wrapped around one of the arms is coming unwound on me and don't know if it's something to be concerned about or not.

Not sure why the unraveling, because I handle the doll with care even tho it's pretty sturdy and never mess with the thread.
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Jan 20, 2014 10:32PM)
Same thing happened to mine. I used a dab of white glue. Problem solved.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Jan 21, 2014 09:32PM)
Hope you are all on our email list... ;-)
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Jan 21, 2014 09:42PM)
I just went to your site to make sure I am lol
Message: Posted by: Whimsical Guy (Jan 24, 2014 01:32AM)
Maybe someone here could help me out. I would like to find some small device that would emit a scream, not ear piercing, but something that would do a loud scream of some sort. I went to Hobby Lobby yesterday, if you have access to a physical one or online, I recomend it highly. They have lots of different options for a box, bag etc to carry the HD around in. Michaels is good too but Hobby Lobby had more in my eyes. And someone else mentioned it in this thread.

So back to my point...I bought a mini burlap bag to carry mine around in. Looks great and aged. I took a sharpie and put some symbols on it. But I was thinking if I could find something small enough, I could take the doll out to do the illusion, but keep the bag in my other hand, which would be free because I like to take the spectators hand to hover over top of the doll while the rising up is happening, just a preference, so anyway, I could keep the bag in my free hand with the screamer still inside, and if I could find something small enough with maybe a simple push button type of deal to activate it thru the bag, and have it scream out when I let them reach for it at the end, sorta like Rogue does. I don't want any thing obnoxiously loud of course, and you have to decide the right enviroment and people to use this idea on.

I did a quick google search but so far haven't come up with anything yet. Is there anything like that as far as magic props go? I'm not familiar if there is one. Any websites or suggestions are welcome. I tried looking for halloween items that may fit the bill but no luck so far. Probably something the size of a key fob or smaller would be great. I can always go with a little larger bag to make it fit. I'll keep looking on my own and if I come up with anything, I'll pass it along if any one else would be interested in such a thing, but in the meantime I welcome any suggestions.

thanks
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Jan 24, 2014 02:09AM)
SoundzAmazing is what your looking for.
Message: Posted by: marjochan (Jan 24, 2014 02:27AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-24 03:09, phillipsart wrote:
SoundzAmazing is what your looking for.
[/quote]

Perfect for this and you don't even have to have a 'free hand'. You will even get a decent scream with it in the free sound library if you order soundzamazing.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 24, 2014 03:10AM)
Whimsical Guy........ everything you hear on this video is produced using Soundzamazing,

http://youtu.be/MFkyLPLgLKM
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jan 24, 2014 03:47AM)
Great stuff mate :)
Message: Posted by: Whimsical Guy (Jan 24, 2014 08:42AM)
Thanks guys! That really soundzamazing....I kill me. Okay bad joke. I never had heard of it and thanks for the replies. It's certainly a great product and would certainly work for what I want. I'm gonna look around some more and see if there's anything else maybe a little cheaper as the scream thing would be the only thing I would need it for at the moment. If I can't come up with anything else I'll break the piggy bank open and try to get this.

I found those little novelty sound effect machines that are super cheap, but they have several little buttons, one for each sound, that would make it difficult to use with how I described I want to use it. But they are self contained without an elaborate hook up. I just came up with this whole scream idea a couple days ago, so I'll look around a little more before making the big purchase. If any one has any other ideas please suggest.

Again thanks for the replies and for telling me about the soundzamazing gadget. Probably would've never found it on my own.
Message: Posted by: Whimsical Guy (Jan 24, 2014 07:23PM)
I think I'm gonna try just getting a keychain voice recorder and get my niece to scream for me to record it. Some of those have a simple one button operation. I've been looking on amazon at the different versions. If the quality and volume are good enough then I can just go that route as some have a speaker playback. If it doesn't work out the piggy bank gets broken and on to the big guns.
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Jan 24, 2014 07:37PM)
Honestly, with soundzamazing your going to fool a lot of people. There are so many uses. For what you get and what you can do with this its worth the asking price and more.
Message: Posted by: spookyone (Feb 5, 2014 03:54PM)
I just got this effect and am pretty disappointed. The DVD is super glitchy (the segments aren't selectable because they weren't burned in as chapters but "titles" instead, so it's very difficult to navigate the menu (i.e. the menu doesn't work). Secondly, my doll was terribly made, it's slathered in glue all over the thread in the middle and looks terrible. Way too dollar store and not old artifact like I was expecting. Also, the pin freakin' kills and it definitely will leave a tell-tale mark on your palm.
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Feb 5, 2014 04:18PM)
Really spookyone? Yikes, I just ordered it an hour ago after all the rave reviews. Could it be you got a dud? I'm not happy now ;)
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 5, 2014 04:40PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-05 16:54, spookyone wrote:
I just got this effect and am pretty disappointed. The DVD is super glitchy (the segments aren't selectable because they weren't burned in as chapters but "titles" instead, so it's very difficult to navigate the menu (i.e. the menu doesn't work). Secondly, my doll was terribly made, it's slathered in glue all over the thread in the middle and looks terrible. Way too dollar store and not old artifact like I was expecting. Also, the pin freakin' kills and it definitely will leave a tell-tale mark on your palm.
[/quote]

You have to have a defect. I would have to try and hurt myself. Either you are doing something wrong or you have a defect. This is a great item and yes it kills but not the hand.
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Feb 5, 2014 04:44PM)
Ok that's what I thought. I feel better now thanks Steven :) can't wait to work it!
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 5, 2014 04:56PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-05 16:54, spookyone wrote:
I just got this effect and am pretty disappointed. The DVD is super glitchy (the segments aren't selectable because they weren't burned in as chapters but "titles" instead, so it's very difficult to navigate the menu (i.e. the menu doesn't work). Secondly, my doll was terribly made, it's slathered in glue all over the thread in the middle and looks terrible. Way too dollar store and not old artifact like I was expecting. Also, the pin freakin' kills and it definitely will leave a tell-tale mark on your palm.
[/quote]

I get a little pain when doing this but nothing major.
Just like putting a needle through your skin 👍
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Feb 5, 2014 08:42PM)
I resorted to wearing a white cloth glove. My gimmick is a torture machine on my hands, it hurts so much and don't work, and agree with the DVD, it's crap. Maybe I also have a dud. Everyone says how great it is and easy to use and don't hurt. I am finding the complete opposite. I did purchase a 2nd doll, it's still wrapped up in it's packaging, I might open it up now and see if it's the same.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 5, 2014 09:02PM)
I work a lot of trade shows and perform this several hundred times a week. My hand looks great. Really, if you are having that kind of problems, I think you are doing it wrong.

Best
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Feb 5, 2014 09:38PM)
I've came to the conclusion my hands are more sensitive to most and softer. I've tried, gave it a good shot, but no good. Hurts to much, the last time I tried, it taken two days before the pain was gone. I'm making sure that I select the first layer of skin and not digging in to deep. Done this to the point that my skin breaks and the gimmick falls over. Also could not find a location where the gimmick would rise more than a cm or two the most.

I wish it did work for me. I would be very happy if this was the case, but you got to believe me, I gave this a good shot and spent many hours practicing, it's got to the point, I just could not bare with it any longer, when someone mentioned why don't I try gloves. Gloves work for me, but I can't really walk around with gloves in my pockets, and it kind of looks ridiculous with gloves on. I've never performed the effect outside of family members. If it worked for me, it would be in my pocket almost everywhere I visit.

I've spoken to a friend that's a forensic investigator and she could not help and thinks it's a silly thing to do.
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Feb 5, 2014 09:58PM)
Never had any issues with either the doll nor the DVD

Odd because I was making it rise immediately, almost instinctively

shrug


Shawn
Message: Posted by: tedwardo (Feb 5, 2014 10:12PM)
Phillipsart --

if you care to sell yours, send me an email with pics and your asking price: teckel@bellsouth.net
Message: Posted by: Slartibartfaust (Feb 5, 2014 10:23PM)
Tedwardo
Just a friendly heads up posting your personal email address in a public forum is rarely a good idea
it will generally lead to an inbox stuffed to the brim with spam


Shawn
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Feb 5, 2014 11:31PM)
I've never had a problem with any pain, maybe some hands are super sensitive or gouging is what's going on. It's definitely not forensically silly! Never had a problem with handing it out either as most people are too scared to even touch it.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Feb 6, 2014 12:03AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-05 17:18, Darkness wrote:
Really spookyone? Yikes, I just ordered it an hour ago after all the rave reviews. Could it be you got a dud? I'm not happy now ;)
[/quote]

A gazillion positive reviews and just one little whine has you worried?!?! C'mon now! :lol:

Jim
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Feb 6, 2014 12:07AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-06 00:31, Wardy wrote:
I've never had a problem with any pain, maybe some hands are super sensitive or gouging is what's going on. It's definitely not forensically silly! Never had a problem with handing it out either as most people are too scared to even touch it.
[/quote]

I agree. Weird that some are finding this painful. Doesn’t cause me any difficulty at all, and like many the doll rose up perfectly as I watched the DVD. Plus my DVD works fine but I've only used it on a computer using the VLC player. Haven't tried it on a STB and TV.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Feb 6, 2014 03:53AM)
I seriously had a mate get tears in his eyes out of true amazement when the thing rose up. When he got me to do it again,on the left hand, he had to go outside for a cigarette, completely stunned and silent. One of the best reactions I've seen to anything. It's definitely my favourite non-card effect.
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Feb 6, 2014 05:15AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-05 22:38, phillipsart wrote:
I've came to the conclusion my hands are more sensitive to most and softer. I've tried, gave it a good shot, but no good. Hurts to much, the last time I tried, it taken two days before the pain was gone. I'm making sure that I select the first layer of skin and not digging in to deep. Done this to the point that my skin breaks and the gimmick falls over. Also could not find a location where the gimmick would rise more than a cm or two the most.

I wish it did work for me. I would be very happy if this was the case, but you got to believe me, I gave this a good shot and spent many hours practicing, it's got to the point, I just could not bare with it any longer, when someone mentioned why don't I try gloves. Gloves work for me, but I can't really walk around with gloves in my pockets, and it kind of looks ridiculous with gloves on. I've never performed the effect outside of family members. If it worked for me, it would be in my pocket almost everywhere I visit.

I've spoken to a friend that's a forensic investigator and she could not help and thinks it's a silly thing to do.
[/quote]Silly question, but have you tried practicing using different areas on your hand? Reason I ask is when I first watched the dvd and tried placing it in the middle palm of my hand (like they did in the dvd), it didn't work for me and was a little painful. After trial and error I started experimenting using different parts of my hand and found an area that works great for me. I actually have tougher skin/calluses on my upper hand, just below where my fingers connect to my hand. This is MY sweet spot and everyone else can have their own sweet spot somewhere else on their hand. Just thought I would add that tid bit and hope it helps if you haven't tried it already.
Message: Posted by: dd123 (Feb 10, 2014 10:51AM)
Has anyone thought of using this in conjunction with Jim Critchlow's White Star? It could really help set the scene with regards to the black magic/other side element!
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 10, 2014 02:30PM)
This has been out of stock for a long time we now have them back in and available.

You do need to find your sweet spot, I've seen a few people do this where their finger move quite a bit, if you do this your fingers need to stay still to really enhance the effect.
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Feb 27, 2014 08:24PM)
[quote]
On Nov 18, 2013, daffydoug wrote:
Had a bad experience with it today. I was in a restaurant, and there was a friend in there who is an engineer. He saw the doll on my necklace, and asked me about it. Someone  who had seen me do the effect before said to show him what the doll does. True to form, I put on my music and caused it to stand up. He was sitting three or four feet from me. I want to tell you, as the doll stood up, every eye in the restaurant was on me. I'm telling you, the whole room was watching! 

Well, I finished, and all of a sudden the engineer guy pipes up and says "It's a pretty good trick, but....and he went on to explain how it works. "

Folks, I want to tell you, I just about died. I wanted to crawl under the table, that's how humiliating it was. It was utter and public humiliation.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don't ever show the effect to someone with an engineers mind. You are guaranteed to get busted. Hopefully, it won't be in public for you, as it was for me.
[/quote]
It's a shame you didn't have a non gimmick'd doll in your pocket. My buddies wife was like this guy, man what a pain in the ass. We'll long story short I did a "Hot Rod" routine for her. At the end of the routine she said "let me see that thing". Well I put it in my pocket and she insisted on seeing the hot rod. I said here I have no problem with you checking it out, and then I pulled out the non gimmick'd hot rod, and handed it to her.
This happened over 25 years ago, and I can still see her trying to change the hot rod back by rubbing it. :0)
I lost one of the gems to my non gimmick'd hot rod, so I haven't showed it for a long time. I liked having an out for that trick. I didn't need it a lot, but it was nice having it when needed.
P.S
I wonder what a non gimmick'e doll would cost ?
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Feb 27, 2014 08:35PM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-05 22:38, phillipsart wrote:
I've spoken to a friend that's a forensic investigator and she could not help and thinks it's a silly thing to do.

[/quote]
Sticking a needle or ice pick through your hand is silly ! Performing Haunted Doll, not so much.
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Mar 4, 2014 12:07PM)
Hi
Check out these chicken feet! http://www.spellsandmagic.com/Chicken_Feet_Voodoo_Hoodoo_JuJu.html Scroll down to the bottom for the black foot.
I'm going to make one of these and instead of waving my hand over the Haunted Doll, I'm going to wave a Voodoo Hoodoo chicken foot over it to cause it to rise. I'm working on the story now because I want to give this effect a nice spooky touch. Suggestions are welcome for my story. I was up until 2 am this mourning because my mind would't stop searching for the proper patter. I ended up taking an ambien so that I could fall asleep.

With Easter right around the corner I was considering a Jesus rising from the dead story, but then I decided that was in bad taste. So I'm going with the idea of raising the haunted doll using the chicken foot.
I'm going to pick up some feet and dry them in my food dehydrator. I think the black ones look the best . I'm gonna compare the cost of making one to the cost of just buying one.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 4, 2014 11:23PM)
Would this last about 6 moths in the Dessert?
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Mar 5, 2014 01:03AM)
If you take care of it, it will last you a LONG time. I can't see anything that would ware out. Just try not to sit on it, that would be a sure way to shorten it's lifespan. :o)

-Ron
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 5, 2014 08:47AM)
Gotcha, yeah I need to get one of these.
Message: Posted by: ralphs007 (Mar 17, 2014 12:31PM)
Here's a prop I made to go along with Haunted doll. It's a Voodoo chicken foot.
Message: Posted by: magicmerlz (Mar 17, 2014 01:57PM)
Mine is for sale if anyone is interested. Brand new...never used A1 condition.

PM me.
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Mar 18, 2014 09:59AM)
[quote]
On Mar 5, 2014, paisa23 wrote:
Would this last about 6 moths in the Dessert?
[/quote]

That's a rough restaurant gig, Paisa...
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 19, 2014 09:30AM)
I still have mine and would not part with it for the world.
Message: Posted by: themaurie (Mar 24, 2014 10:12AM)
Mine is definitely a lemon. The g***** if facing the 3 o'clock position, it's front is covered in cheap white glue and the DVD is a pain to play. I wrote System 6 and never heard back. This is my third version of the same trick and is by far the worst.

Very disappointed in System 6
Message: Posted by: themaurie (Mar 24, 2014 11:32AM)
Wow! Within minutes of my complaining System 6 appears to be solving it.

Impressed!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Mar 24, 2014 11:47AM)
:)
Message: Posted by: SIX (Mar 24, 2014 04:26PM)
In the case of Maurie it seems the email ended up in spam. If anyone doesn't get a response within 24 hours, (48 in extreme cases) please write us again, or contact myself directly here or through my personal site!

Thanks everyone :)
Message: Posted by: phillipsart (Mar 24, 2014 05:33PM)
Maybe my email to you also was picked up by spam, as you never responded, I cant get this to work and hurts when I try.
Message: Posted by: themaurie (Mar 24, 2014 11:42PM)
[quote]
On Mar 24, 2014, SIX wrote:
In the case of Maurie it seems the email ended up in spam. If anyone doesn't get a response within 24 hours, (48 in extreme cases) please write us again, or contact myself directly here or through my personal site!

Thanks everyone :)
[/quote]

Michael was awesome and responded and resolved within minutes. Ironically, this inspired me to check my own spam folder and there were of course important emails in there.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (May 30, 2014 03:18AM)
I ordered this recently and was extremely pleased with the customer service. After about a week of waiting I was contacted by System 6 who informed me that the package had been returned to them due to a issue with the address. They explained that it was their error and placed a small gift in with the Doll. I have performed this for family and friends - everyone is amazed and slightly freaked out, no one has any idea how it works - Thanks again System 6!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 30, 2014 09:19AM)
It's a great little effect. I still wear mine everywhere I go.
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (May 30, 2014 09:26AM)
This seems like it would be great to enhance something such as a name reveal or like wise, I'm sure it's great as a stand alone effect also. I always liked the original but found it had it's weak points, I passed on this when it came out last year but I will say, it seems fun.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Jul 1, 2014 12:10PM)
SUPER EXCITED! Rogue will be on Americas Got Talent tonight and we will be giving away some free Haunted Dolls on our System 6 Magic Facebook Page! Be sure to check in shortly to see how you can win a FREE Haunted Doll!
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Jul 1, 2014 12:56PM)
Hey Six,

I remember there was some talk a while back about offering little boxes and possibly replacement dolls without a redundant DVD. I guess nothing ever came of that?

Thank you.

Jim
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 1, 2014 03:17PM)
Good question J-Mac
Message: Posted by: SIX (Jul 3, 2014 11:43AM)
Hey J-Mac, we did look into it, but people just seemed to lose interest? If the interest is there we will definitely make them, just hard because low orders me we pay more...

But, you know what....I will get them made even if just for you and Paisa! We get on it now.

Thanks !

SIX..


P.S. ANYONE SEE ROGUE ON AMERICAS GOT TALENT!? :)
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 3, 2014 12:08PM)
Last night its dvr ed I need too..
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 3, 2014 12:44PM)
And I haven't gotten the doll yet. But love it to be a replacement deal
Message: Posted by: Spicoli (Jul 8, 2014 04:24PM)
I'd be interested in a replacement. Love the doll, mine just had an unfortunate accident. :(
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Jul 9, 2014 10:59AM)
I haven't recieved mine either, not sure where this is shipping from but I hope it arrives sooner rather then later. I do like the idea of replacements at a lower cost if necicary.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 15, 2014 12:11PM)
Got mine in and love it.. SO I hope there is a a replacement option. I am a soldier and work with nothing but... ALREADY! have had is snatched from my palm (@_@) ..
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Jul 15, 2014 01:42PM)
Just get a second one and do what's needed to let them hold it and love it and pet it and name it George. ..

But it would be nice to offer an additional normal one for us....
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Jul 16, 2014 10:24AM)
Has anyone had an issue with contacting this company? I've sent a few emails regarding an order and haven't heard back.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 16, 2014 10:59AM)
Im not sure, I believe that Rogue himself was on AGT so who knows how that works if he is out of town. I believe Six is on here regularly and is part of the company if you wanna direct message him.
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Jul 16, 2014 01:29PM)
Thanks Paisa, I'll give that a try.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 21, 2014 11:06PM)
I was home and after a few days of getting use to it I recorded a quick vid of it... Grant it in performance ill do this with a tale about the movie the serpent and the rainbow and after this ill roll into the Voodoo Card trick from Drawroom Deceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIhbuyLKgQ8
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Jul 22, 2014 01:09AM)
Nice job paisa. I would only not have the doll rise immediately, build the suspence. But it did look cool.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Jul 22, 2014 06:52AM)
Yeah in actually performance I wil this was just messing around..thanks though.
Message: Posted by: zoltan (Jul 22, 2014 01:16PM)
Could someone who has 2 dolls tell me how similar they are? I know that they're hand made (and made of wood?) so if you got 2 with the view to 'disabling' one of them to pass around would they look the same. I know they'd probably look sufficiently similar to the layman but if you stand them side by side is there a few mm difference in heigh or does one have slightly longer legs than another?
Message: Posted by: zoltan (Jul 22, 2014 01:33PM)
PS - LOVE your video Rasp. I've been reading this thread for the last 3 nights and it was great to see the seed of music and smoke being planted to seeing it performed for real!
Message: Posted by: Mike.Hankins (Jul 22, 2014 02:51PM)
Looks super awesome...

Very "Blair Witchy" lol.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jul 22, 2014 03:35PM)
Hi Zoltan: I have a few dolls and they definitely look a little diffrent due to the handmade nature. Might get away with it but an observant spectator may catch it. Good idea though. Nice video paisa, I know you were doing it for the camera but in real life I would not provide that much cover when "hooking up". Might look like you are trying to hide something.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: SIX (Jul 22, 2014 05:37PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2014, zoltan wrote:
PS - LOVE your video Rasp. I've been reading this thread for the last 3 nights and it was great to see the seed of music and smoke being planted to seeing it performed for real! [/quote]


Dude, you just gave me the idea I have been hunting for. I cant thank you enough, please message me when you can...Everyone else stay tuned!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jul 26, 2014 01:21PM)
It's a story that may be made into a TV movie. 

I lost the little guy and found him again. I walked downtown a few days ago, and from my house that is at least fifteen blocks. I had him hanging on a necklace, and when I arrived at my destination, I looked down at the necklace and he was gone. I retraced my steps along the sidewalks which I had walked, but it felt hopeless. My one consolation was that among the twigs and pebbles that decorate the sidewalk, he would surely blend in, and reduce the chances of anyone else spotting him and taking him home.

So I went to bed that night and first thing in the morning I had to walk downtown to purchase some newspapers for my Gene Anderson's T&R newspaper that I am working on. So once again I walked with my eyes scanning the sidewalks for a glimpse of the little guy, and probably about seven blocks from my house, my eyes lit upon him laying between the cracks of the sidewalk with the twigs and pebbles. I picked him up, almost not believing my eyes, feeling mighty lucky, and lovingly tucked him in my pocket and took him home.

What's the moral of the story? Darned if I know, but I love this effect so much that I was considering purchasing a new one if I didn't find him. But I DID. Happy, happy, happy day!
Message: Posted by: Chris Meece (Sep 6, 2014 07:15PM)
I received mine a couple of days ago and am loving it! This is far easier than I thought it would be.

I have very sensitive hands and was worried that this effect would give me problems. I have zero problems from it. I can really "dig it in" and I feel no pain. The thing was pointed a little crooked and I bent it to point straight at where his foot would be. I am curious to why some were reporting pain from this. Maybe instead of snagging they were going fishing with it.

I am a little afraid of this breaking if dropped and don't know if I am going to have many spectators grab it out of my hand. I need to find something suitable to carry it in. I am not going to wear it around my neck and look like I just arrived home from the McBride Mystery School nor do I want a huge but cool coffin case to carry it in my pocket.

Very happy with this purchase.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Sep 6, 2014 07:45PM)
McBride mystery school? Lol!!!

That's funny!

I wear mine all the time. It's de riguer for me, but to each their own.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Sep 7, 2014 01:02AM)
Chris, I have one of those burlap pouches from Hobby Lobby to put it in if you like.

-Ron
Message: Posted by: MindExplosion (Nov 5, 2014 09:45AM)
I ordered the full package last Wednesday hoping that it might be here by Friday based on their estimated shipping times. I didn't receive any kind of shipping notice so sent them an email Friday through the website since there is no other method for contacting them. I also ordered a second doll Friday night since I got an email with a special Halloween discount. It's now been a week since my initial order and I don't have the item, any shipping information, or a reply to my email to them. Anyone have any better contact information? Am I just being too impatient?
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Nov 5, 2014 10:29AM)
I haven't had any problems with orders from them. It's possible they received a lot of orders for the refill dolls and are busy. Still, that's no excuse for not replying to your emails.

Are you sure emails from them aren't going into w your spam folder?

Jim
Message: Posted by: MindExplosion (Nov 5, 2014 11:24AM)
I've been keeping an eye on my spam just in case, and nothing from them. I'm probably just being impatient, but I'm not a fan of having no way to contact them other than a form on the site. No email address or phone number.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Nov 5, 2014 11:50AM)
Have you tried sending Michael a PM? His member name here on the Café is SIX.

Jim
Message: Posted by: magidude68 (Nov 5, 2014 01:43PM)
Hi all,similar problem here.
I ordered one of these back in August, it didn't arrive so I emailed and they said they'd send another as sometimes things get lost.
As yet nothing has arrived, that's two dolls "lost" in the post which to be honest is quite hard to believe. Needless to say I'm a bit miffed, maybe the postman they use has light fingers.
Perhaps I should have just bought it here in the U.K.
Would have been great for Halloween!
Rant over.
Wayne.
Message: Posted by: MindExplosion (Nov 6, 2014 05:52AM)
I sent him a message yesterday as soon as you suggested it. Now just waiting to hear back. Thank you!
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Nov 6, 2014 02:04PM)
25 pages and still going...
Has anyone mentioned that Jean-Jacques Sanvert some years ago was applying the same principle with ordinary cigarettes?
I used to be doing it and had lots of success. Even the d***ching of the h*** was not that hard to do.

Regards
Message: Posted by: johne (Nov 6, 2014 04:12PM)
There is nothing to di*c* with the doll. Not sure this is the same concept. It's been done before with corn husk dolls and I've even seen it done with ink pens.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Nov 6, 2014 11:44PM)
Sensio, no one has said it was a new principle and has refered to simular effects that has used this method.
Message: Posted by: MindExplosion (Nov 14, 2014 07:58AM)
Just to give an update, Michael did get back to me. I understand what happened and after we spoke he got my orders out to me quickly and even through in something extra, even after I told him it wasn't necessary! I wouldn't hesitate to do business with them again.
Message: Posted by: JJJustice (Nov 19, 2014 10:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2013, phillipsart wrote:
I wonder what would happen if you walked into a church and started performing this, Has anyone tried? [/quote]

I've just ordered this. It has not yet arrived. I'm thinking about performing it in conjunction with the story of Jesus resurrecting Lazarus, from the Book of John. Larry Hass (Associate Dean of the McBride School of Mystery and Magic) closed an AWESOME TED talk with this effect and a story of a soldier coming back to life.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Nov 20, 2014 04:02PM)
Sent Michael a message weeks ago, asking how to order refills, no response. customer service 0%.

bought 4 dolls and 3 of them broke apart pretty instantly. will probably make my own vodoo dolls

:(
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Nov 20, 2014 06:49PM)
Ouch! That's not good, Rasmus. I only have one and fortunately it has held up well.

I received an email two weeks ago saying they would sell refills until midnight only. A one day sale. I wanted to get a few more but didn't see the email in time, so I didn't get any. Kinda poor service IMO.

Jim
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Nov 20, 2014 06:52PM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2014, J-Mac wrote:
Ouch! That's not good, Rasmus. I only have one and fortunately it has held up well.

I received an email two weeks ago saying they would sell refills until midnight only. A one day sale. I wanted to get a few more but didn't see the email in time, so I didn't get any. Kinda poor service IMO.

Jim [/quote]

that's exactly what I thought my Friend
:cry:
Message: Posted by: JJJustice (Nov 23, 2014 05:20PM)
[quote]On Nov 29, 2013, Robvs wrote:
I really should scrutinize it more before asking this question, but...my vision is poor, does anyone have a tip for making sure you have it right side up when you start? [/quote]
Since it's made of natural wood, each side is different. On mine, I noticed a little "knot" around the vicinity of the right knee. This lets me know I've got it oriented correctly. All that said, I'm one of the ones having some trouble getting it "set." Pain is no problem... just can't seem to get a consistent set on it... advice?
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Nov 23, 2014 06:46PM)
Try different areas on the palm. Try setting the doll in both directions (so the doll rises forward or backward)until you find the sweet spot. There will be an area that will work the best for you.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 14, 2015 03:53PM)
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment"
Message: Posted by: Kuroth (Apr 14, 2015 08:48PM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]


Ordered from where???? I got mine from Amazon..
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 14, 2015 09:04PM)
System6 site, I emailed them and didn't recieve a response
Message: Posted by: SIX (Apr 15, 2015 12:00PM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
System6 site, I emailed them and didn't recieve a response [/quote]

Hey there, I just checked our spam folder..Are you the customer who wanted to pay via Money Order?

Thanks!

Michael
Message: Posted by: SIX (Apr 15, 2015 12:06PM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay !
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 15, 2015 01:03PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay ! [/quote]

Yep, checked it this morning and went thru!

Thanks for the response, Six. You guys rock over there, free shipping?!

Thanks again, much appreciated and can't wait to receive this !

all the best,
brandon
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 15, 2015 04:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay ! [/quote]

hey Michael

if anyone out there has a poor customer service it is you. I sent you twice mails and
pm's with no response, months ago. I think you don't give a **** on your customers, is that right?

overthink your businnes my friend
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 16, 2015 05:13PM)
A good advice to everyone that bought haunted doll:

take a good liquid superglue and cover the doll with it at the breaking points.
this way you will not have the problem anymore, that your haunted doll breaks.

good for you and bad for the seller
:) :) :)
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 17, 2015 07:57AM)
I received this yesterday.. Thanks System 6

Without watching the DVD I was able to spot the gimmick right away.

is this normal? lol

best,
brandon
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 17, 2015 04:28PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I received this yesterday.. Thanks System 6

Without watching the DVD I was able to spot the gimmick right away.

is this normal? lol

best,
brandon [/quote]

push the leg with the *** down on a flat hard surface and it will become invisible. like that, it will also work perfectly. give it a try
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 17, 2015 04:50PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, rasmus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I received this yesterday.. Thanks System 6

Without watching the DVD I was able to spot the gimmick right away.

is this normal? lol

best,
brandon [/quote]

push the leg with the *** down on a flat hard surface and it will become invisible. like that, it will also work perfectly. give it a try [/quote]

Thanks, Rasmus

I'll give that a shot later tonight.
Message: Posted by: Wardy (May 18, 2015 01:13AM)
Still the best close up non-card trick for me. People will cry, laugh, scream and run away when you show them this! And the best part is no-one ever wants to touch it for fear of the curse!!
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Jun 13, 2015 07:39PM)
I had a mate over yesterday and he always asks to see this. After I performed it for him yet again he tried for the next 15 minutes to get it to rise and continued to try intermittently over the next few hours. The look on his face still makes me laugh.
Message: Posted by: SIX (Aug 9, 2015 10:21AM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, rasmus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay ! [/quote]

hey Michael

if anyone out there has a poor customer service it is you. I sent you twice mails and
pm's with no response, months ago. I think you don't give a **** on your customers, is that right?

overthink your businnes my friend
:confused: :confused: :confused: [/quote]

Hey Rasmus! For some reason I couldn't find any messages from you, not sure how or why this has happened, but I am very sorry none the less.. You have every right to be upset as I would be too! I just sent you a pm, and wish the forum post had a tagging feature so I could see these post when they were posted. I havent been on the Café much lately. I also sent you my personal contact information, so you can reach me directly anytime.

I know its late, but would love to help sort out any issues you have. Sometimes the Doll's do break, they are hand made and of wood..but, we always try to help get them replaced whenever this happens. Look forward to hearing from you and very sorry again.

Anyone else have issues with their Doll, please contact us direct EVEN if you did not buy it directly from us. I would much rather have people performing this effect than not.

If you would like to contact me directly, here are the sites I can be contacted through. If I don't reply with in a day or two form one site please try another..Sometimes their are spam issues and etc.

system6magic.com
sixfingermagic.com
Michaelsixmuldoon.com

Message me and I will give you my personal number for any help needed.

Thanks,

Michael
Message: Posted by: Cyberjustice (Sep 4, 2015 03:46AM)
Hello, first post ever on here. ( I usually read the comments.)😉 I just wanted to let everyone know another great way to carry the haunted doll and to protect it. I use a business card suite case. Fits in the palm of your hand and easy on pocket space and management. You can find them on Amazon between $5 and $15. Aluminum and leather hard cases available. Hope that helps anyone looking for ways to carry it around and protecting it.
Message: Posted by: Ramius (Sep 4, 2015 07:34AM)
I got this this week and have been practicing. So far I'm having difficulty, but making some progress. I've also been using the plastic case that came from my Fair Play gimmick. Fits perfectly.
Message: Posted by: setsuna83 (Sep 4, 2015 11:47AM)
Sharing a performance of this that I made recently and looking for some feedback. My buddy took the vid too far away though, it was supposed to be much closer. Thought of adding a glass over the doll when it's in standing position, not sure if that will be over proving it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQGNdn6DJ8

Cheers~
Message: Posted by: Ramius (Sep 4, 2015 12:25PM)
I like it setsuna!
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Sep 4, 2015 04:05PM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, rasmus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay ! [/quote]

hey Michael

if anyone out there has a poor customer service it is you. I sent you twice mails and
pm's with no response, months ago. I think you don't give a **** on your customers, is that right?

overthink your businnes my friend
:confused: :confused: :confused: [/quote]

Hey Rasmus! For some reason I couldn't find any messages from you, not sure how or why this has happened, but I am very sorry none the less.. You have every right to be upset as I would be too! I just sent you a pm, and wish the forum post had a tagging feature so I could see these post when they were posted. I havent been on the Café much lately. I also sent you my personal contact information, so you can reach me directly anytime.

I know its late, but would love to help sort out any issues you have. Sometimes the Doll's do break, they are hand made and of wood..but, we always try to help get them replaced whenever this happens. Look forward to hearing from you and very sorry again.

Anyone else have issues with their Doll, please contact us direct EVEN if you did not buy it directly from us. I would much rather have people performing this effect than not.

If you would like to contact me directly, here are the sites I can be contacted through. If I don't reply with in a day or two form one site please try another..Sometimes their are spam issues and etc.

system6magic.com
sixfingermagic.com
Michaelsixmuldoon.com

Message me and I will give you my personal number for any help needed.

Thanks,

Michael [/quote]

thanks for your apologies, but I'm still waiting for the 2 promised haunted dolls. again no more answer from you. I gave you my shipping adress and now?

still waiting Michael and pretty pi***d off to be honest.
:mad:
Message: Posted by: CryptKeeper (Sep 4, 2015 09:58PM)
It would be nice if they had a second model that was more aged looking to suit the "haunted" label better and maybe darken the gimmick. I see people hand this out for examination? Doesn't anyone puts it in their own hand to try to make it stand or look at it closely? I used to own it and the glue and staples were showing so bad it made it look like it was not very well crafted so I sold it.
Message: Posted by: setsuna83 (Sep 4, 2015 10:53PM)
I don't hand it out for examination as I think's it's quite obvious to most people when it's in their hands. Especially when they try to imitate you by putting it on their palm to make it stand. Even though they may not be able replicate the performance, they already know the secret...
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Sep 4, 2015 11:02PM)
No one has found anything on mine. With regard to darkening it, that's easy enough to do by yourself. Most people would probably rather start with the doll as it is and then treat it to look however they like.

Setsuna - I saw your video and you place the doll on your hand in such a deliberate manner that it is probably fairly obvious to attentive spectators! I just lay mine on my hand and get it set immediately without first standing it up and fiddling like that. If your specs are "...trying to imitate you..." then don’t give them such a clear example to imitate! Or else don’t allow such examination. You cannot give them that clear of a picture and then hand it to them.

Thanks!

Jim
Message: Posted by: setsuna83 (Sep 4, 2015 11:56PM)
Hi J-Mac, thanks for the feedback! Yes, that's probably a problem I have, will have to try to set it up properly on the first go when laying it down on my hand. Can't seem to get it properly set up on 1st try, it just pops out when I try to move.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Sep 5, 2015 12:05AM)
Leave your hand flat and then when placing the doll cup it just a little. The line across your hand will give you a nice spot to anchor it to while it lays flat.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Sep 5, 2015 01:44AM)
I hand it out first to a couple of spectators after I tell my tale. They look at it mostly front and back and hand it back to me. After I have it rise and fall I just put it away. They don't ask to see it again.
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Sep 5, 2015 04:53AM)
I've had people I do and don't know handle this after the fact and they never work it out. One of my mates always tries to do it when he comes over and he still hasn't worked it out. Hands down(subconscious pun)the most talked about effect I do, and the easiest. Suck 'em in with a story and atmosphere and they'll never forget this one. I also only refer to the doll as my Stickman, just in case they want to look it up.
Message: Posted by: Ramius (Sep 9, 2015 11:12AM)
I'm curious how much practice most people had to do to get this to consistently work. I'm having a lot of difficulty.
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Sep 9, 2015 05:44PM)
It took me about 5 mins. Make sure it pierces but doesn't gouge.My sweet spot on both hands is on one of my creases and that's how I set it up every time.If you're right handed the left leg will be around the middle of your palm. Once you find the sweet spot you'll never have a problem again.
Message: Posted by: Ron Vergilio (Sep 10, 2015 01:20AM)
Right. Move around the crease area and you'll find a spot that allows you to easily and quickly connect and lay the doll down. Once you find this spot the rest is a piece of cake.
Message: Posted by: Ramius (Sep 10, 2015 08:22AM)
Do you find yourself flexing your hand throughout the routine? Rogues seems to do it so effortlessly.
Message: Posted by: geordiediver (Sep 25, 2015 04:04AM)
Hi,
Bit late to this but I have had this for a month now and love it. To anyone having problems with positioning and handling watch the DVD closely and play with it on both hands, took me a while but now I have nailed it, works every time.

A quick idea on a routine I posted it to myself at work, opened it at lunch time letting it fall out on the table in front of everyone then let the performance begin.......

Phil.
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Sep 29, 2015 04:50AM)
I also bought this some moths ago but sadly I never could use it. I guess I have a weired type of skin or something... Tried it like 50 times but without I would make a hole with a nail I just can't attatch it :/
Message: Posted by: Gismologic (Jan 21, 2016 03:09PM)
All
I ordered and paid for TWO dolls from six over three weeks ago.
I have not received a tracking number and he still hasn't responded to two emails now..
I will have to cancel through Paypal if I don't hear REAL soon.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Jan 21, 2016 05:07PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2015, rasmus wrote:
[quote]On Aug 9, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, rasmus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, SIX wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
I know this thread is relatively old and I'm late to jump on the Haunted Doll train but I ordered this last week and my tracking number still says "pre-shipment" [/quote]

Hi! Is this Brandon? - your package was shipped on time..sometimes the post office is delayed..but none the less, we shipped your package Priority Mail, not first class. So it will still be on time or early even if there was a delay. I just checked on the shipping and look to arrive tomorrow :) Yay ! [/quote]

hey Michael

if anyone out there has a poor customer service it is you. I sent you twice mails and
pm's with no response, months ago. I think you don't give a **** on your customers, is that right?

overthink your businnes my friend
:confused: :confused: :confused: [/quote]

Hey Rasmus! For some reason I couldn't find any messages from you, not sure how or why this has happened, but I am very sorry none the less.. You have every right to be upset as I would be too! I just sent you a pm, and wish the forum post had a tagging feature so I could see these post when they were posted. I havent been on the Café much lately. I also sent you my personal contact information, so you can reach me directly anytime.

I know its late, but would love to help sort out any issues you have. Sometimes the Doll's do break, they are hand made and of wood..but, we always try to help get them replaced whenever this happens. Look forward to hearing from you and very sorry again.

Anyone else have issues with their Doll, please contact us direct EVEN if you did not buy it directly from us. I would much rather have people performing this effect than not.

If you would like to contact me directly, here are the sites I can be contacted through. If I don't reply with in a day or two form one site please try another..Sometimes their are spam issues and etc.

system6magic.com
sixfingermagic.com
Michaelsixmuldoon.com

Message me and I will give you my personal number for any help needed.

Thanks,

Michael [/quote]

thanks for your apologies, but I'm still waiting for the 2 promised haunted dolls. again no more answer from you. I gave you my shipping adress and now?

still waiting Michael and pretty pi***d off to be honest.
:mad: [/quote]


same here, still not received my 2 promised dolls. promised months ago to ship them to me.

i would suggest that you never ever again buy anything directly from Michael. try penguin or other retailers.

but anyway: the doll is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: howie3 (Jan 22, 2016 04:34AM)
Thanks for your apologies, but I'm still waiting for the 2 promised haunted dolls. again no more answer from you. I gave you my shipping adress and now?

still waiting Michael and pretty pi***d off to be honest.
:mad: [/quote]


same here, still not received my 2 promised dolls. promised months ago to ship them to me.

i would suggest that you never ever again buy anything directly from Michael. try penguin or other retailers.

but anyway: the doll is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]



You are always mad or have something bad to say about someone. Unbelievable.
Message: Posted by: Ramius (Jan 22, 2016 06:48AM)
Steve Gore, who's been trying to release his Casino Con through System 6 (supposed to have been release MONTHS ago), came here a bit ago wondering if anyone had had any contact with Michael, as he couldn't get a hold of him either. Casino Con still isn't out, and Michael still seems to be MIA. Hopefully everything is ok with him, but it looks like you aren't the only one who can't get a response.