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Topic: Patrick Redford's Small World
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 12, 2013 11:51AM)
I thought I'd post a video performance of "Small World" for those who were interested. This is not going to be offered as a video download as it appeared in print earlier this year. This is a presentation using Sean Taylor's Symbology deck though a borrowed deck of regular playing cards may be used. Just posting it for a bit of fun. I know some folks were asking for a video performance and this is just three of the phases taught in the book back to back.

http://vimeo.com/81154627

Happy Holidays everyone!
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Dec 12, 2013 12:13PM)
One of the best mentalism pieces I've ever seen.
Message: Posted by: Amirá (Dec 12, 2013 01:21PM)
Patrick is performing in here, but the true psychic is Ben!!


Jokes aside, a beautiful routine Patrick, congratulations!!



Best
Message: Posted by: kevin carmean (Dec 12, 2013 03:14PM)
Very nice Patrick. Very natural. It is also nice to see you as you, without the hat. The hat also works but this seems to be more you.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2013 03:34PM)
You are both very nice and creative people, and I appreciate seeing an honest demo...for me, I found the actual presentation and delivery really confusing and at odds with itself... the mechanics are obviously great, but the scripting/delivery of it just felt odd... stage 1 - sensing one that is "different"? when you've already shown that they are a matching set of the 3 symbols, just in two different colours...and stage two saying "i've not got much room here" when you've got plenty of room! turn that mat around!

I'm sure I'm in the minority, and as I say, the outcomes themselves are great, love that they build upon each other...its just that I found the presentation itself at odds with the inherent clinical setting of the esp cards...

I'm probably missing something...
Message: Posted by: MichaelCGM (Dec 12, 2013 05:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-12 12:51, Patrick Redford wrote:
I thought I'd post a video performance of "Small World" for those who were interested. This is not going to be offered as a video download as it appeared in print earlier this year. This is a presentation using Sean Taylor's Symbology deck though a borrowed deck of regular playing cards may be used. Just posting it for a bit of fun. I know some folks were asking for a video performance and this is just three of the phases taught in the book back to back.

http://vimeo.com/81154627

Happy Holidays everyone!
[/quote]Very, very nice, Patrick!
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 12, 2013 06:09PM)
I like it.
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 12, 2013 06:18PM)
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On 2013-12-12 16:34, IAIN wrote:
You are both very nice and creative people, and I appreciate seeing an honest demo...for me, I found the actual presentation and delivery really confusing and at odds with itself... the mechanics are obviously great, but the scripting/delivery of it just felt odd... stage 1 - sensing one that is "different"? when you've already shown that they are a matching set of the 3 symbols, just in two different colours...and stage two saying "i've not got much room here" when you've got plenty of room! turn that mat around!

I'm sure I'm in the minority, and as I say, the outcomes themselves are great, love that they build upon each other...its just that I found the presentation itself at odds with the inherent clinical setting of the esp cards...

I'm probably missing something...
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Without those things Iain would it be a good effect?
Message: Posted by: neemdog (Dec 12, 2013 06:54PM)
Now on the wishlist. Awesome stuff Patrick!
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Dec 12, 2013 07:40PM)
I bought it and I really like it. I think that the effect is stronger using the colored ESP cards than with playing cards.
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (Dec 12, 2013 09:57PM)
I too have to agree with pretty much everything Iain said. The mechanics are super fair, I don't believe I saw a "fishy move" that I think would seem out of place. However, I was kinda thrown off and confused when Patrick was mentioning the differences in the colors and for Ben to just pick the 3 that felt different. And if I'm observing correctly, it almost looks like Ben got confused or a little thrown off by those instructions as well, (just judging by his facial expressions).

Secondly, I too immediately thought, "just turn the mat sideways".

I'm currently thinking if this could be done with the Beyond ESP cards with the color separation, (in that the black backed cards would separate from the red backed). My thoughts are that it would interfere with not being able to read the m******s, since the cards would be face up.

All in all, I absolutely loved it. Bens look of astonishment I priceless :) Always nice to see the look of wonder on the face of a fellow performer.

With a smile
Matthew
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (Dec 12, 2013 10:09PM)
I also just looked at Sean's site. It says "look for the black and white symbology to come in a few months". Is anyone familiar with this?

I would also like to see a clear picture of the back design if possible. The innocent nature of the backs are important for me. I currently own the Beyond ESP 2, and was about to go with a Paralabs deck for Christmas. Now there is another freakin choice!!
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 13, 2013 01:34AM)
Just a point of reference …this effect doesn't utilize marked cards in any way!

I love the beyond ESP cards and think they're wonderful. I also really like the symbology deck.

@ MatthewSims
Even turning the mat sideways ten cards don't fit across the mat

In phase one the subject is sensing which cards feel different in color as one set is red one is blue. The first two phases are about sensing color, the last phase is about the symbols themselves.
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (Dec 13, 2013 02:11AM)
So you mean to tell me that I could just use blank business cards and have the spectator draw some red symbols, and me draw some black? Well now I just have to get it!
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 13, 2013 02:30AM)
Yes that's correct.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 13, 2013 05:08AM)
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On 2013-12-12 19:18, John C wrote:
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On 2013-12-12 16:34, IAIN wrote:
blah blah blah
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Without those things Iain would it be a good effect?
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I dunno, I think with test condition style effects, the presentation has be similarly test conditions -with a short opening intro, then very clear and clinical instructions... as I say, personally, I found it all a bit confusing...though appreciate that the mechanics are great...
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Dec 13, 2013 01:55PM)
Just bought this download the other day, but work has limited any time reading or working with it. Patrick does provide a number of routines that
you can mix and match, or will stand pretty well on his own. I did like the combination he used on the video. Now I have to figure out what the routines
he used in the video are. Looking forward to having some time with this. And like he stated the routine does not need marked cards.
Message: Posted by: sbays (Dec 13, 2013 03:50PM)
What book is this in?
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 13, 2013 04:29PM)
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On 2013-12-13 16:50, sbays wrote:
What book is this in?
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pdf or book

small world
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Dec 14, 2013 12:05AM)
Patrick and I did something very similar with "From Hell" photographs .. I was inspired!
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Dec 14, 2013 01:28PM)
I like this and it is perfect for my set of Ink Blot cards.

The Alchemist Bane cards will also work nicely,
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Dec 14, 2013 05:14PM)
Spooky, Dr! I had your beautiful inkblot cards my hands a couple of hours ago and was thinking the same thing.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 15, 2013 04:59AM)
Made a post but decided to remove it and send a PM instead.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Dec 15, 2013 08:39AM)
I am not usually keen on ESP card tests, but the cleaness of this one got my attention, very nice.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 15, 2013 08:47AM)
I like it a lot as it's usable as mentioned with many types of cards.
I thought the presentation was done to demo as a more impromptu / casual discussion of esp etc versus true clinical test conditions - there is some lingo that might be explained further to the average joe re: what double blind means etc - but since patrick and Ben know each other, likely they have a lot of background shared understanding of their com style that impacts the presentation - and I thought this was just for fun to give flavour for us, not a fully full tilt boogie version in the field....

I think to Iain's point - it's just personal presentation style - I can see this easily being suped-duped up into "test conditions" hard science style approach - but I don't think that was the intent of this presentation - which is more a discussion around such concepts etc

As for the "feel its different" one could just chop that and go on with the spiel "just let yourself choose x cards - based on some sort of feeling (patrick then describes this) - don't try to guess if it's red or a symbol - don't overthink..."

(Aside - reminds me of baltar in battlestar Galactica being told "just choose something on the map of the Cylon base to blow up - god will guide you" - hmmmm this can be presented in many ways.... (Patrick, work on having a hot blonde that can only be seen by the participant guiding his choices.... Hmmm yeah, don't worry - I think ill work on that!!!! Tarot cards here we come))...

Thanks for sharing, patrick!!!!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 15, 2013 09:03AM)
My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 15, 2013 09:18AM)
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On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
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? I didn't think there was any confrontation? Just different pov on the performance? I buy for methods (including presentation methods) in these cases - so perhaps that is why I posted the way I did above (which I thought was not confrontational???'!!!!) - as I am going to spin it into something supernatural or psychosis related anyway. I thought I guess wrongly I was also supporting your concept that the presentation on the video could be altered to make it much more scientific and clear if need be, I didn't think the video was made to sell product but I could be wrong - I thought patrick was just sharing a quickly demo on how material from the book could be done. If I am in error, my apologies.

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 15, 2013 09:49AM)
I think half of what is being said here about the demo presentation etc goes without saying. We all know we can perform the effect 180 degrees out of phase. Why pick the performance apart. That doesn't matter.

Pick the effect apart if it matters. Was it good or not good.

Kind of like saying, " ...sure the vaccine will save my life but I just don't like the doctor, the nurse and the way are are dispensing it."

Peace and all that,
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Dec 15, 2013 10:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
My point was that half the sell (at least half!) its about the presentation...especially when its quite a process based "thing"...i buy stuff because I either enjoyed the presentation and don't care about the method, or I wanna know the secret cos I have a presentation in mind...

in this case, I found the procedure very dry, and as the presentation was also the same (though friendly) it was more of a show and tell than a proper presentation really...and its not to be taken as a criticism or anything bad per se, just saying that as there was quite a lot of "do this..now do that...i'm now going to put these under the table..." and so on - I would be sold more on it if the presentation did 'something else' to make it more interesting...

please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
[/quote] I agree in a way too, however I realize that Patrick and I come from opposite ends of the performance spectrum. So it is what it is.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 16, 2013 09:51PM)
The presentation here comes from a card effect where the subject is able to sense the difference between red and black cards. This comes from something I've been doing "for real" for a long time. I don't have the ability to tell you if a card is red or black but I can tell the difference between the two I just don't know if its red or if its black just that its different from the other. This still results in a successful separation. This is what was attempted to be communicated with the ESP symbols of different colors. I can see how this translation to symbols can get a bit confusing.

I thank everyone above for their feedback and for the feedback I've gotten in private PMs.

I don't feel like anyone has been confrontational in this thread at all! Everyone's been very polite and sharing differing views. I think this is great!

@Slim King
I had a great time with you in Florida back in October and had fun toying around with the new presentation of Small World using the cards you had with you. Always a pleasure to spend time with you and glad you're having good success with the routine!
Message: Posted by: PaulPacific (Dec 16, 2013 10:31PM)
Brilliant, bro!
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Dec 17, 2013 12:30AM)
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On 2013-12-14 18:14, Bill Cushman wrote:
Spooky, Dr! I had your beautiful inkblot cards my hands a couple of hours ago and was thinking the same thing.
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Great minds eh Bill....the ink blots are cool and sit in a leather wallet, ten blue back and ten red back, ready for action. Patrick's routine is perfect for these. And allows me to move on to other things.....
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 17, 2013 01:01PM)
Where does one "procure" a set of ink blot cards?
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 17, 2013 04:09PM)
http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=19&lang=en&detail=true&Category=3&ArtID=89

I really enjoy using these :)
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Dec 17, 2013 05:42PM)
Also, if you have White Star, I think there's a way to apply Small World. You could put the cards into pay size envelopes, the participant "feels a difference" between them, then when you remove the cards, it's revealed that these are photos of passengers from the Titanic, and the participant has separated the survivors from those who died.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 19, 2013 09:43AM)
All of these different themed cards are very exciting. The Ink Blot cards really would bring a nice dynamic to the routine! Wonderful thinking everyone.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Dec 20, 2013 03:22PM)
The envelope idea is also a good one!!!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 20, 2013 03:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:18, Dr Spektor wrote:
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On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
[/quote]

? I didn't think there was any confrontation?

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.
[/quote]

huh?! all I was saying was basically "can no one please take my own personal critique the wrong way, or think that I was being aggressive or shouty"... wasn't saying anyone was being confrontational...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 20, 2013 03:43PM)
Anyway - ages ago, I made my own set of colour cards, 5 solid colours, in a set of 25 - I could see it working well with this...and blindfolded too...and then leapfrog off it into an aura based presentation...

maybe start off with a stroop test a la ross johnson?
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 22, 2013 07:22AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-20 16:39, IAIN wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:18, Dr Spektor wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
[/quote]

? I didn't think there was any confrontation?

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.
[/quote]

huh?! all I was saying was basically "can no one please take my own personal critique the wrong way, or think that I was being aggressive or shouty"... wasn't saying anyone was being confrontational...
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You were in no way aggressive, "shouty", or confrontational. Your comments and opinion were heard and appreciated by the person they were directed to : ).
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Dec 22, 2013 08:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-12-20 16:39, IAIN wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:18, Dr Spektor wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-12-15 10:03, IAIN wrote:
please read all of the above in a good natured, non-confrontational tone!
[/quote]

? I didn't think there was any confrontation?

Peace and all that.

I'll go back to spooky and the shadows.
[/quote]

huh?! all I was saying was basically "can no one please take my own personal critique the wrong way, or think that I was being aggressive or shouty"... wasn't saying anyone was being confrontational...
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Ha! Only on penny....

You said you were not trying to be confrontational and I posted I didn't think there was any confrontation and wished us all peace and withdrew back to the shadow realm for a while.

So, I will not try to guess why you posted our quotes cut from our original full posts with the contexts - I shall just repeat

Peace and all that....

And I am heading back to spooky again

Oh, have a happy holidays too

Now let's leave this thread for discussing small world! Which I will say, I tried out live Thursday night in a relaxed style in a restaurant and it went over quite well. I see why patrick uses the term "differences" as when in action, you don't want them to know which is red or black to make the entire thing work at the end - wether or not that language suits your performance, something similar is needed to keep the possible outcomes consistent with the premise.... I think the more one uses this one will develop multiple verbal guides for the audience...IMHO
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Dec 22, 2013 09:08AM)
Patrick, I have a question. In the last phase when the participant switches the cards around, is it possible to just say something like "None of these cards is in the right position. So just decide on a new position for each card in the row."

Would this not accomplish the same thing without having to give as much direction (e.g. "You can switch these two and these two," etc)?
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Dec 31, 2013 07:55AM)
It wouldn't exactly accomplish the same thing. Though that line would be useful here but asking someone to switch things around to new positions would be too confusing for one person to take on in the heat of the moment.
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Sorry to be absent from this conversation as some of you may know from another thread here on the Café I've been down sick.