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Topic: New to memorized decks
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 22, 2013 09:18PM)
I've never used memorized decks before.
I should be getting The Code in tomorrow and this got me interested in MDs. I've been reading about memorized decks.
I want to learn how to memorize a deck, specifically Simon Aronson's stack.
I'm slightly familiar with Lorayne's mnemonic visual method but I want to know where I can find a Peg memorization list.
I am willing to learn the visual association and will most likely modify it to suit my my self.
I'm just looking for someone else's mnemonic peg aide and I will take it from there.
For example Ace of hearts in stack # 34 would be
MoRe HaT
That's a bad example but is there a list available which I can start with? I understand that the more ridiculous the visual, the easier it is to remember

Thanks,
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Dec 23, 2013 08:10AM)
I've "listed those lists" in about 12 different books!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Dec 23, 2013 08:24AM)
Aronson's Bound to Please, besides having bucketsful of great magic, also has a peg list specific to his stack. Since you want to be using a mem deck, this is probably one of the best uses of about $30 you can make.
Message: Posted by: Steve Crossley (Dec 23, 2013 09:56AM)
You might want to consider Dominic O'Brien's "Dominic System" where instead of having a phonetic peg for each card you associate each one with a memorable character, for example I used Jack Sparrow as the character representing the Jack of Spades and then placed him at the 1st location in my journey of 52 and so on. It takes some time coming up with and memorizing each character but because they have a strong image and personaility I believe they are easier to recall. Good luck!
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Dec 23, 2013 11:44AM)
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On 2013-12-23 09:24, landmark wrote:
Aronson's Bound to Please, besides having bucketsful of great magic, also has a peg list specific to his stack. Since you want to be using a mem deck, this is probably one of the best uses of about $30 you can make.
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Yes. The list is on page 136 of Bound To Please by Simon Aronson.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 23, 2013 12:21PM)
OK, Thank you.
I'll pick up Aronson's book.
He seems to be "The Guy" when it comes to memorized decks.
It was between him & Tamiriz, and I understand Aronsons' method is easier to learn.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 23, 2013 12:24PM)
Steve,
Does the Dominic System, also associate the card with the number of the card in a stacked deck?
Message: Posted by: Ian Richards (Dec 23, 2013 02:45PM)
On Simon Aronson's website (simonaronson.com) in the magician's only section there is a free pdf file "Memories Are Made Of This" that is a very thorough and useful introduction to the memorized deck.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 23, 2013 03:51PM)
Thanks,
I read that last night.
I read a memory book back when I was in college and found it useful. I think the authors name was Lucas. It used the same system.
Now that I'm much older, I need a refresher. I still have the book somewhere, but I am guessing the teaching methods are more efficient now.
Thanks for the tip
Message: Posted by: Steve Crossley (Dec 24, 2013 05:57AM)
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On 2013-12-23 13:24, Ihop wrote:
Steve,
Does the Dominic System, also associate the card with the number of the card in a stacked deck?
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The Dominic system is used in this instance to memorize just the association between the card and it's representational character. You then need 52 separate locations for the stack.
The number of the position of the card in the stack is associated with the sequence of locations in the "journey" or "memory palace". This means that before you memorize the stack, you need to have an ordered sequence of 52 different locations to place each card (character). I hope that makes sense!
Message: Posted by: Steve Crossley (Dec 24, 2013 06:09AM)
It might also be worth noting that Andy Nyman's The Code uses the Juan Tamariz Mnemonica stack rather than the Aronson stack.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Dec 24, 2013 08:35AM)
Ihop - You're thinking of The Memory Book - and Lucas had as much to do with writing it as you did! Best - Harry L.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 25, 2013 01:09PM)
Steve,
Is there a source that will list the pros & cons of various stacks?
I don't want to purchase many stack effects to study them. I am just looking for advantages and disadvantages of the different main stacks available.
Once I purchase one, I would just stick with that one.
Thanks,
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Dec 25, 2013 03:17PM)
Search the Café for Aronson vs Tamariz.

You should find plenty of threads.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cafe%20aronson%20vs%20tamariz
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Dec 25, 2013 05:27PM)
Appreciate also that classical mnemonics, while certainly a viable choice, are not the only approach to learning a memorized stack. There are at least three other techniques, each of which offers its own particular advantages and disadvantages, and has its champions. Because people do have differing learning styles, and what works well for one is not always best for another.

I have written on these topics in [url=http://www.deceptionary.com/aboutstacks.html]a (free) on-line essay[/url].
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 25, 2013 08:10PM)
Doug,
Wow!
That was exactly what I was looking for.
Your essay is very informative and objective.
I think I know which system I will be using but I want to get an idea of effects vs memdeck.
I don't have a good feel for which memdeck can be used for various methods.
I will be reading as much as I can about this.
Thank you,