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Topic: My just finished Zig Zag
Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 9, 2014 06:14PM)
I guess I have about 120 hours of work on this and about $400 of materials. It has inside mounted roller blinds.

Message: Posted by: patrick1515 (Jan 9, 2014 07:08PM)
Very Nice job!
Message: Posted by: Mark Boody Illusionist (Jan 9, 2014 07:10PM)
Well done!! I especially like how the "figure" is painted on the side. Nice touch.
Message: Posted by: AGMagic (Jan 9, 2014 07:34PM)
Nicely done!
Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 9, 2014 07:40PM)
Thanks! I wanted to do something, that I'm not sure has ever been done before. That is why I even did a figure on the back. As I turn the Zig Zag around, I want the audience to wonder even further where is the middle of my assistant.
I used several different plans for ideas, but mostly the Paul Osborn plans, and then my own ideas.
I also want to thank illusionman2, for his help on the belly door and how to make the blinds, so that they will wind back automatically.
By the way, the illusion works with my assistant. I also have an unique way I want to do my illusion.
Watching videos of the Zig Zag, I'm shocked that a lot of magicians do not get as much out of this fantastic illusion as they should.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Delusion (Jan 9, 2014 08:13PM)
Super job!! Great job on the coice of colors as well.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Jan 9, 2014 09:23PM)
Chris, I'm impressed! That is well done and as already mentioned, the figure on the side is a great touch!
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Jan 10, 2014 07:38AM)
Hi there,

A couple of comments...

I too like the figures of the person on the sides and the back, however that being said, one of Harbin's deceptive features for the Zig-zag was that his sides were painted a dark colour, or black, making the post and the side on the right appear flat or thinner than it actually was when viewed from a slight angle to the right side, or on a stage with dark curtains.

By making the sides a lighter colour you actually increase the (look of) thickness when viewed from any where off to the right of center.

Check out some of the on-line videos and you will see what I mean. Here is one of Lee Edwards performing his.


I choose this one as the center is highlighted against a bright background, you will see how the right side thickness of the center "disappears" as it is turned around. Now imagine that on a darker stage, or against a dark backdrop.

But really nice building job, the finish and painting looks great! Congrats.

Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Jan 10, 2014 07:45AM)
I should have mentioned the turn is around the 1:50 mark onward, if you don't want to watch the whole video. There are some of Harbin performing it on-line but the ones I've watched do not highlight my point as well as the video of Lee.

Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Jan 10, 2014 08:41AM)
An additioanl note is that Harbin even went to the point of painting behind the center slide black, like the uprights, so that when the center was pulled over, and the front slide was pulled also, that it was black that showed between the two uprights, not the colour of the front doors.

Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 10, 2014 10:57AM)
Hi Blair,
I really appreciate your response. As I tested mine with my assistant before painting I was shocked. Where was her Middle? I'm not sure what the audience will think when I do mine, but I love mine, and my intention with the figure on the side, and back, is to make the audience see the room my assistant takes up inside the box, and wonder even more where is she?
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Jan 10, 2014 12:00PM)
Hey Chris,

I've used the illusion extensively in shopping malls, and it IS an amazing illusion. I've even used it in the center of a magic themed restaurant where it was done amongst the tables and close-up. We used customers to hold the blades sitting at the tables before they were used for the dividing. The surprise on the folks faces, especially those that were facing each other, when the center was pushed to the side, was great, and got a real laugh from everyone else from seeing their reactions.

Do I like the illusion, yes, and have performed it hundreds of times (I have 2).

Have fun with it!

Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 10, 2014 12:19PM)
Very nice job and the graphics are superior thinking.

That is just the point, I like the creative figure on the side a lot, but - I believe it should have been larger filling most of the area. This way it is not, it looks like a lot of room available for the person. Yes, I believe the audience will relate the drawing to the person inside. Just my opinion of course.
Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 10, 2014 05:39PM)
Hey Bill, my original design for the side figure was bigger but I felt my assistant would get offended thinking I thought she was fat.

Blair, It has always been one of my favorite illusions. I do not do a lot of stage type shows though, but I want it for the 5+ shows a year that I do do. Most of my shows are for children around 8 years old. I'm shocked how poorly some magicians use it correctly. One, does not turn it around, another does not use the belly door, another puts the blades in AFTER he slid the middle box over to the left.

I thank Hardin for this classic illusion. It will go great with my Temple of Benares.

I also enjoyed building it. I wonder what will I build next.
Message: Posted by: Steven True (Jan 11, 2014 04:10PM)
Great job with all of it. The paint job is great and the image on the side is great. It was my very first illusion I put in my act back in the late 70's. I have always loved this illusion and have wanted to get another one and perform it the way Harbin did. Thanks for posting.

Message: Posted by: Anverdi-museum (Jan 12, 2014 01:02PM)
Very nice, great job. These things are a booger to build, I applaud you!
Message: Posted by: Paul Budd (Jan 14, 2014 02:59PM)
Extremely nice! :bg:
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jan 15, 2014 01:45PM)
Looks really nice...
Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 15, 2014 04:12PM)
I really appreciate the great comments. As I got further and further along in the building of my Zig Zag, I kept coming up with ideas to enhance the looks of it, like putting the metal trim on the base and the top and bottom boxes.
Then I decided to put the silhouettes on the side and back as well. I hope that mine looks unique, unlike no other. But the funny thing about me, is that if someone wants to copy my idea, feel free to copy.
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Jan 16, 2014 05:30PM)
Harbin was a Genius and like the saying goes "Perfection Is Hard To Improve"

Some details are important to create a deceptive Zig Zag illusion, like:
A sliding panel
The sides of the box should be black. (this adds to the deceptiveness when the box is in zig zag position)
The upright metal trim should only be on one side (not on the moving box part), the other side should be black otherwise the box looks too big and people can see where the box ends when pulled out, increase it's thickness

Check out Harbins Original version or Copperfields version and see how well it looks with these features
Message: Posted by: Jef Eaton (Jan 16, 2014 08:38PM)
Years ago, I saw an idea in some English magazine about a quad-zag where not only the middle slid over but the bottom box also. It was just a line drawing but it intrigued me so I did some drawings and we built one out of cardboard to see if it would work and it did. I only have a poor quality black and white photo of it but it was darned impressive. I never saw anyone else do it.
Wizard Pa, I love the side images on yours. It really makes it unique.
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Jan 17, 2014 08:44AM)
On 2014-01-16 21:38, Jef Eaton wrote:
Years ago, I saw an idea in some English magazine about a quad-zag where not only the middle slid over but the bottom box also. It was just a line drawing but it intrigued me so I did some drawings and we built one out of cardboard to see if it would work and it did. I only have a poor quality black and white photo of it but it was darned impressive. I never saw anyone else do it.

Silvan performing the quad-zag
Message: Posted by: wizardpa (Jan 17, 2014 10:12AM)

Not only was it cool to have the extra box, but he honored the illusion by getting the most out of it.
Message: Posted by: magicwatcher2005 (Jan 17, 2014 12:12PM)
On 2014-01-17 09:44, RVH Magic wrote:
Silvan performing the quad-zag

1 1/2 minutes of introductory babble before the prop was rolled on, and then another 30 seconds before the girl is introduced. At 3:00+ minutes in she's finally closed up into the box, and then at 5 1/2 minutes the first blade goes in...

I'm sure this must have passed as high entertainment 30+ years ago, but you couldn't keep today's audiences interested if you TRIPLED the pace of that presentation. By contrast, the Pendragons performed Steinmeyer's Modern Art in the late 90's - start to finish - in under 2 minutes, and that included the on-stage assistance of an audience member. It's fun to revisit the classics of yesteryear, but not all the lessons to be learned from them are positive ones.

Message: Posted by: Jef Eaton (Jan 17, 2014 05:15PM)
Well,I'll be!!! I never did see another one other than mine but now I have! On mine the foot was out like the hand but I don't know where that idea came from. IT might have been mine or maybe it was in the drawing. I enjoyed seeing the video. Thanks for posting it.
Message: Posted by: Bluesman (Jan 18, 2014 07:06AM)
Great job!
Message: Posted by: Higgenbottom (Mar 3, 2014 06:29PM)
Here’s Robert Harbin, “Not only doing THAT trick but reminding the rest of us how it should be done.”
Message: Posted by: Regan (Mar 7, 2014 03:47PM)
Chris, very, very nice!!! I think you have found another 'calling'! That will look really good beside MY Temple Of Benares!!! :)