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Topic: Zombira by Jimmy Fingers
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 10, 2014 11:43PM)
Just received notice that Jimmy Fingers has created a new Zombie effect he calls [b]Zombira[/b]. I got to look at the video and it looks pretty good, and totally new in working. Jimmy has put a lot of work in the handling and moves that will work very nicely for your large audience shows.

To tell you the truth, I was totally clueless to the working, and I seen how it was done, I could not believe I was so wrong. I thought their were several principals involved, there was only one method that made it look so magical.

Take a look at the video and make up your own mind. This will require some practice and getting use to the handling. It is not a buy and do trick. Oh, and there is not cloth involved with this method. Priced reasonably.

http://www.magellanlevitation.com/zombira/

What do you think?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jan 11, 2014 12:24PM)
This looks promising but can you do it with the lights on?
I am a huge Zombie fan and would likely purchase this...but must it be done in such a dim room?
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 11, 2014 01:03PM)
Hi Eddie,

The room had to be extremely dark, due to the scrutiny of HD video on YouTube. Without attention to lighting, occasional clues might be seen by scouring over the video repeatedly. Live, and from stage, these are not seen. So, I had to do this dimly lit, sorry.

Due to the construction of Zombira, attention to lighting, situation and subtle choreography, the workings are disguised thoroughly.

By the way, Bill has seen the full deal, instructional AND the demo shown on YouTube, and he's a true expert on Zombie effects. This is special, it's a BLAST to do in the mirror, and it will be a really fun thing to watch and develop.

Jimmy Fingers
Message: Posted by: John (Jan 11, 2014 03:44PM)
Jimmy,

Very, very, very interesting. I love the "convincers" with the hoop. I have no idea how the rise at the end is done - and because of that might have no idea what is going on earlier as well. It looks very interesting. How innocent is the "get ready? Does it have to be or would it work best as an "opener"? Can you move in to and out of the "get ready" easily enough? Can the ball be out in plain view and then picked up and left behind at any point in the act? You imply normal stage lighting - without backdrop - is fine. Is it? Finally, is this a download (you say "downloadable instructions") or is there a ball that is purchased and sent? What are its dimensions? (It looks to be about 5"")

Many Thanks
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 11, 2014 04:04PM)
How innocent is the "get ready? [b]Pick the ball up and start.[/b]

Does it have to be or would it work best as an "opener"? [b]It does not have to be an opener.[/b]

Can you move in to and out of the "get ready" easily enough? [b]Very easily, if you can pick up the ball it is ready.[/b]

Can the ball be out in plain view and then picked up and left behind at any point in the act? [b]It can, but most performers agree that props should be out of site when not in use. It would make the performance easier for the performer.[/b]

You imply normal stage lighting - without backdrop - is fine. Is it? [b]Yes it is.[/b]

Finally, is this a download (you say "downloadable instructions") or is there a ball that is purchased and sent? [b]This is a ball you will receive in the mail. I assume, he is offering instruction video by download, and not putting on a DVD. You can easily do that yourself with todays computers.[/b]
Message: Posted by: John (Jan 11, 2014 04:21PM)
Thanks Bill,

That definitely answered all my questions - crisp, clear, concise. Thanks
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 11, 2014 08:12PM)
Hi, sorry it was unclear. You receive the hand made ball, correctly balanced and cured. In an all important protective packaging box for storage anbackgroundsport. Downloadable video instructional provided upon purchase.

The skills necessary for mastering this are more comparable to manipulation than gimmickry. There is only one piece, no thread, detaching or clothing alterations.

The routine consists of moving into a series of poses that correctly obscure and advantageously position the ball relative to your body, hands and background.

Forethought and attention to the situation are crucial. Distance, lighting, costuming, timing, and practice are vital.
Message: Posted by: John (Jan 12, 2014 04:22AM)
Given all of that, what about angles? Since it is primarily a stage piece, I would assume that the "poses" that "advantageously position the ball relative to your body, hands and background" would be forgiving enough to accommodate the somewhat large arc from left to right that a stage or parlor audience will have. Are there significant angle limitations that would not accommodate a normal stage or banquet presentation (where tables might be rather significantly placed on ones right and left as well as straight ahead)?
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Jan 12, 2014 10:58AM)
Is a Jacket or sport coat necessary. Can it work with kids who sit on the floor and fairly close.

Thanks Dave
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 12, 2014 12:36PM)
John, that is what is meant by mastering and manipulation. You have to practice hand, arms, and body positioning.

Dave, the video shows Jimmy in a shirt, so pants and shirt is minimum requirements. Extreme left and right would be difficult, that is what is meant by a stage effect.

It can be done in a home as in Jimmy's demo, but seating should be out in front of the performer. If in a home birthday situation, the children should be sitting on chairs several feet away from your performing area. If they can see the hair growing out of your nose, then that would not be a good angle. For any of your tricks, I know been there done that. LOL

As magic and this effect is a visual art, that would be the best possible performing situation for the audience.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 12, 2014 12:50PM)
Corrected

[quote]
On 2014-01-11 21:12, magic4545 wrote:
Hi, sorry it was unclear. You receive the hand made ball, correctly balanced and cured. In an all important protective packaging box for storage and transport. Downloadable video instructional provided upon purchase.

The skills necessary for mastering this are more comparable to manipulation than gimmickry. There is only one piece, no thread, detaching or clothing alterations.

The routine consists of moving into a series of poses that correctly obscure and advantageously position the ball relative to your body, hands and background.

Forethought and attention to the situation are crucial. Distance, lighting, costuming(wardrobe), timing interval of exposure with gimmick in sight, and practice are vital.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 12, 2014 01:09PM)
In response to Bill, angles actually aren't a big deal IF the conditions of lighting, distance and discretion in timing are observed.

The performer may be required to do an assessment of the situation, adjust his performance, and be willing to NOT perform the effect in the act when questionable. However, with attention to the details, I feel that this can almost always be performed indoors.

In fact if you were outdoors, you MIGHT be able to run to the other side of a parking lot and do it. The ball is visible enough to be seen from 50 yards away, right? Get creative!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 12, 2014 02:27PM)
Jimmy, my answer was taking into my experience when doing children shows in a person's home. If you have ever did in home or under tent shows, where kids sit on the ground, I can tell you they will be at your feet, literally. They sit with their heads cocked back, and looking up your nose. Many children performers are uncomfortable with children management, even when they know they cannot see any of the tricks.

Jimmy you have a very good idea here, but if you want to convenience others, then you should video your effect from different angles in the training videos. Of course, if you read many of the posts on the Café, there are those that even when they see it, they do not believe it. I think it is more, they are thinking, "I cannot do that or get away with that."

Not everyone is creative, so the more information (moves) you can provide, the best purchase this will be for them.
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Jan 12, 2014 10:26PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-12 13:36, Bill Hegbli wrote:
... so pants and shirt is minimum requirements.
[/quote]

Aha! So you must wear pants.
I knew there was a catch.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 13, 2014 05:21PM)
Sorry, I didn't mean to be unclear. The included video is simply the best that we have at this time. I still have to workshop with a few people to get more finesses to make a better video, and I've even come up with a couple more moves since the video was finished. Those will be out shortly, and available to purchasers. But, I do explain all of the moves in the youtube video.

If someone isn't creative, this effect will suffer. That's why I've categorized it as a manipulation piece. Like a badly done Zombie ball, this one requires work. But, it's also less touchy than thread work, imho.

This may be the best thing that I've ever come up with, I'm very happy with it.

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: Cris Johnson (Jan 13, 2014 09:26PM)
Jimmy,

how would this play in a school Caféteria or gymnasium? I perform a lot in schools and those are the conditions I'm in most of the time. Lighting is usually "natural" light coming through windows but not directly on me. Thus, I have little control over lighting. Kids are usually ten feet or so away to the first row. Thanks...
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jan 14, 2014 01:22AM)
It reminds me of magic Ian's floating ball. Is it the same?

JIm
Message: Posted by: Stucky (Jan 14, 2014 08:47AM)
I saw Jimmy do this about 5 feet away from me and it looked really good. It is meant for stage however.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 14, 2014 10:54AM)
Hi Jim, I just looked at the video of Ian's, and I can't make out the gimmick, so I can't be sure of the differences. I was unaware of Ian's version, but it seems possible that there is similarity in the mechanism. However, he's using a cloth and completely different moves.

Thanks for letting me know, Ian's version is really great, too!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 14, 2014 11:00AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-13 22:26, Cris Johnson wrote:
Jimmy,
how would this play in a school Caféteria or gymnasium? I perform a lot in schools and those are the conditions I'm in most of the time. Lighting is usually "natural" light coming through windows but not directly on me. Thus, I have little control over lighting. Kids are usually ten feet or so away to the first row. Thanks...
[/quote]

Hi Chris, from my recollection of doing school shows, I think that high school auditoriums and school Caféterias are the perfect venues for this effect! You will have to address the variables, but I think that it would be great!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jan 14, 2014 06:15PM)
Jimmy,
Great minds think alike. I don't know exactly how Ian's worked or yours. I have a pretty good idea how Ian's worked. But now this begs an important point. I don't mean to high jack this thread but here goes: does anyone know about Ian's estate or if he had preserved his floating ball concept? Or is it lost now that Ian died to suddenly and prematurely? I would hope a friend of his or someone knows about this.

Jim

***************

Hi Jim, I just looked at the video of Ian's, and I can't make out the gimmick, so I can't be sure of the differences. I was unaware of Ian's version, but it seems possible that there is similarity in the mechanism. However, he's using a cloth and completely different moves.

Thanks for letting me know, Ian's version is really great, too!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Jan 14, 2014 10:44PM)
I want to clarify that I believe Jimmy created his on his own without any knowledge of Ian's. It happens all the time. Also, I don't know how Jimmy's works so I am in no position to judge any coincidental similarities of method. And I repeat "coincidental."
My reason for posting the last post was because of the potential that Ian's method may be lost and I don't want that to happen because it's contrary to the good of magic. We're all about this person did this and that person built on it and this is so and so's move etc.

Jim
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jan 15, 2014 06:46AM)
Jim and Jimmy. I discussed this effect with Ian when he stayed with me couple of years ago. He never planned to release the method or make more videos. Some of his reasons:


a) it will be ruined by those unwilling to practice or performing unsuitable venue
b) all the negative feedback from those who "look for fault" instead of opportunities
c) the thrill of creativity, especially the non-derivitive kind, is its own reward. I did not develop this to sell -- only to reward myself for "going beyond."

thus, the comparison is very valid and not "derail." Jimmy is sharing something of his creative genius with us. I hope the effect doesn't get ruined by some who will use it inappropriately.

I may purchase this effect just to reward Jimmy -- even though I may never be able to perform it.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jan 15, 2014 01:52PM)
I am intrigued by Ian's work, and disappointed that I never saw him lecture or perform live. I feel one of the keys to protecting an effect is to get it into people's hands at a medium to medium-high price so that they respect it, and then give them fair videos that show them what can and should be done with it.

That being said, I've now seen Ian's performance on video. I can say with pride that the are only one or two things that we came up with that were similar in the routining. Philosophically, our approaches are different. He wanted to lead people down the Zombie path by starting out with a cloth. I feel that it would have muddied the water after seeing his. However, I muddied my way by adding a hoop. I was inspired by one of the greatest effects ever, Blackstone's floating light bulb. I remember in '76 how blown away that I was by that.

The funny thing is that I came up with completely different hoop work for this, out of necessity.

I'm pretty sure that our gimmicks are constructed differently, with mine being smaller and more manageable. This should help the masses. But it still will put a miracle in the hands of the master manipulator. And an ineffective contraption in the hands of the hack. Much like a Zombie ball.

By the way, I don't think that he could do the "polishing the atmosphere" move with his gimmick. In the video demo, it is the move between the two hoop moves. And THAT is one of my favorite ones.

This is the reward for independent creation... Different thinking, different choices, different results.

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: John (Jan 16, 2014 06:45PM)
Can anyone put up a link to Ian's performance. I think I saw it some time ago - I think he referenced it himself in one of his posts on the Café - but I can't find it now myself. Can anon share a link?
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jan 16, 2014 08:04PM)
There's a Magic Ian website at
http://www.magicians.tv/
but you're better off I think accessing them directly from youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56bbFkC2Wq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7I18238Vao&list=PL5F61F80BCA191C46
There is a scrolling list of additional videos on the side.
And his Flagtastick effect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD1RnkICvQY


Here are some other Ian Garrison videos on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUQUIWUfr2k (25 minute show)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7I18238Vao&list=PL5F61F80BCA191C46

That last site includes a scrolling list of videos on the side.

I'm not sure whether he performs the zombie on any of them.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 16, 2014 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-16 19:45, John wrote:
Can anyone put up a link to Ian's performance. I think I saw it some time ago - I think he referenced it himself in one of his posts on the Café - but I can't find it now myself. Can anon share a link?
[/quote]

The video is not available any longer on YouTube or his video website. I just did a search on The Café and it listing is listed as not available.
Message: Posted by: Jeb Sherrill (Feb 20, 2014 08:37PM)
Ian and I had several conversations about his gimmick because his working was very similar to one of the handlings from my Zombie Re-Animated DVD Volume 2. After having seen the Zombira gimmick I think I can safely state that while they function in a similar way on several moves, the gimmicks themselves are very different and the Zomira has the advantage of being more versatile and less static in several respects. Ian's had advantages as well and my own version was somewhere between the two, though I'm quite certain all three were discovered independently.

Jeb
Message: Posted by: semo (Apr 8, 2014 06:55PM)
This thing is a blast to work with. Jimmy's got a winner here. And the price is right. For those of you who have it, try the pocket in various ways. I'm not quite able to get it down, but there may be something there. Those who have it will know what I'm saying.
Message: Posted by: semo (May 9, 2014 06:33PM)
I just found out that Jimmy is giving a Zombira away with every Master Magellan Levitation sold (for a while anyway...not sure how long).
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Aug 27, 2014 11:36AM)
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jft5LUK5fi4

Thanks to Scott Steelfrye for his contribution, editing, archiving of this... I only wish that there was more of a routine to show, but this was at the last minute, I wasn't even mentioned on the bill.

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: Unnormal (Sep 25, 2014 01:29AM)
My Zombira arrived in the mail today! I am excited to begin practicing this method of a floating ball routine. I think I have already come up with an alternate handling that may allow for a cleaner close up presentation. This looks to be an awesome addition to my collection!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 1, 2014 10:37PM)
It looks great Jimmy.
Todd
Message: Posted by: sam2452 (Nov 14, 2014 11:03AM)
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she preform Jimmy Zombira in full light.She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat they can't see anything.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Nov 15, 2014 10:08PM)
Sam, I love it, tell her thank you!!!!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Jul 12, 2015 05:28PM)
This came out last year when I was completely preoccupied with my day job , hardly any time to think about magic or reading the magic forums , so I missed it. I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more interest in this , other than this one discussion thread. From the description and the videos (including the one below) it's intrigued me enough to order it . I have a few ideas on what this may be (in terms of the working) but will be just as happy if it turns out I'm way off .


[quote]On Nov 14, 2014, sam2452 wrote:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she performs Jimmy's Zombira in full light. She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything. [/quote]

Lai Phan's performance seemed a little bit tentative , less confident than Jimmy's own demo video (although her hoop moves were very confident) , but I was impressed by the fact that the lighting was fairly bright in the room where she was performing and how close the spectators were in the first few rows of seats (sam2452's comment: [i]"I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything."[/i] ... that's very interesting ... I sure hope the guy in the front seat wasn't just being "polite" when questioned or that he forget to wear his glasses that day ... ). I did note that Lai Phan didn't do the final move where the ball seems to float up to the ceiling , well above the performer's head and hands , as in Jimmy's demo video , but other than that I thought it was impressive that she performed it under those lighting conditions and with the spectators as close as they were, who didn't seem to see anything they shouldn't have seen.

Looking forward to receiving this and putting in the time with it to make it look good.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Jul 13, 2015 07:19AM)
Here's a brief clip of Jimmy Fingers performing his Zombira . Jimmy, I really like how you've incorporated some [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1D-uktSH0]Raymond Crowe "naked zombie ball"[/url] moves into this .

https://youtu.be/bAK7Fj1X9qQ?t=1m46s

Starting at the 1:46 mark - through - 2:25 (nice vanish of the ball at the end)

[youtube]bAK7Fj1X9qQ?t=1m46s[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: sam2452 (Jul 13, 2015 10:18AM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2015, David Todd wrote:
This came out last year when I was completely preoccupied with my day job , hardly any time to think about magic or reading the magic forums , so I missed it. I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more interest in this , other than this one discussion thread. From the description and the videos (including the one below) it's intrigued me enough to order it . I have a few ideas on what this may be (in terms of the working) but will be just as happy if it turns out I'm way off .


[quote]On Nov 14, 2014, sam2452 wrote:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6GeTB3uJ0c

Here she performs Jimmy's Zombira in full light. She end the show with Zombira. I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything. [/quote]

Lai Phan's performance seemed a little bit tentative , less confident than Jimmy's own demo video (although her hoop moves were very confident) , but I was impressed by the fact that the lighting was fairly bright in the room where she was performing and how close the spectators were in the first few rows of seats (sam2452's comment: [i]"I asked the guy in front seat , they can't see anything."[/i] ... that's very interesting ... I sure hope the guy in the front seat wasn't just being "polite" when questioned or that he forget to wear his glasses that day ... ). I did note that Lai Phan didn't do the final move where the ball seems to float up to the ceiling , well above the performer's head and hands , as in Jimmy's demo video , but other than that I thought it was impressive that she performed it under those lighting conditions and with the spectators as close as they were, who didn't seem to see anything they shouldn't have seen.

Looking forward to receiving this and putting in the time with it to make it look good. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: sam2452 (Jul 13, 2015 10:25AM)
Her cloth became a good back drop to cover the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Jul 21, 2015 01:34PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2014, magic4545 wrote:
The included video is simply the best that we have at this time. I still have to workshop with a few people to get more finesses to make a better video, and I've even come up with a couple more moves since the video was finished. Those will be out shortly, and available to purchasers.

If someone isn't creative, this effect will suffer. That's why I've categorized it as a manipulation piece. Like a badly done Zombie ball, this one requires work. But, it's also less touchy than thread work, imho.

This may be the best thing that I've ever come up with, I'm very happy with it.

Jimmy [/quote]

I received my Zombira and have watched the instructional video. It's a good idea and I am looking forward to practicing it.

The instructional video (which you get via a download link) is adequate , but if you are reading this Jimmy , I hope you still have plans to add updated video as you mentioned previously:

[quote][i]"I still have to workshop with a few people to get more finesses to make a better video, and I've even come up with a couple more moves since the video was finished. Those will be out shortly, and available to purchasers."[/i][/quote]


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Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Oct 13, 2015 08:26PM)
Hi everyone, the video of my act at the Grand Canyon that Todd is referring to is not actually the Zombira, but, rather, just a Zombie ball finale. I put Zombira for promotional purposes, and the moves shown could be integrated with the Zombira routine.

I've been doing the moves with the Zombie in the video WAY before Raymond came onto the scene, preceding Raymond's lectures of it by decades. But, make no mistake, Raymond's work is REALLY substantial and his work is some of the most inspiring that I've seen, absolutely one of my favorite performers.

I would recommend having a traditional Zombie ball set to have, just in case the situation doesn't lend itself to the Zombira constraints. I carry both in protective cardboard boxes.

Unfortunately, the Zombira routine ended up without being able to have more moves added. The ultimate brainstorming with Jeff McBride resulted in the realization that less is more with this effect. The attempts at adding other moves caused lighting flashes that were the result of an arc that was being rotated, and the arc caused a reflection of light at an exact point for different people at different times throughout the rotation.

Jeff and I really hammered away at this for quite a while, and we were both surprised at how well the initial taught moves covered the spectrum of possibility.

Jeff actually is encouraging me to research more lightweight balls and an correspondingly more invisible gimmick. I don't think that the behavior of the ball with that setup would be as entrancing as the current setup, but I'm sure that anything is possible.

Thanks for all of your interest in the effect!

Jimmy
www.jimmyfingers.com
www.magellanlevitation.com
www.magellanlevitation.com/zombira
Message: Posted by: Zlwin Chew (Dec 31, 2015 12:13AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2014, magic4545 wrote:

This may be the best thing that I've ever come up with, I'm very happy with it.

Jimmy [/quote]

You have come up with TWO of the world's best levitation effects! Magellan and Zombira! I have bought the Magellan and it's awaiting customs check in my country. I can't wait for it. And I might just be placing an order for the Zombira next!
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Mar 28, 2018 02:56PM)
There is a resurgence in the popularity of the Zombira effect, and I'm even adding to the end of my regular Zombie routine in my 80-minute show. It's a real crowd pleaser, and the reaction to it is only surpassed by the Magellan levitation and my mentalism piece, Inconceivable.

Jimmy
www.jimmyfingers.com/products
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Mar 29, 2018 12:06PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2015, magic4545 wrote:
Jeff actually is encouraging me to research more lightweight balls and an correspondingly more invisible gimmick.
[/quote]

Jimmy -

I purchased Zombira from you a few years ago and I had the exact same thought when I was first working with it: find a lighter weight ball which would allow for a less visible you-know-what. Are you making them now with a lighter weight ball ?

I had wondered about using FAB magic's zombie ball , which is described as weighing only 3 ounces. https://fabmagic.com/products/dream-zombie-fab , but haven't tried it. Honestly, I never followed through because I went back to using Bill Abbott's "The Thing" or else a classical-style floating sphere with foulard (with modified Tommy Wonder gimmick) .
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 29, 2018 02:25PM)
Zombira is dependent on the weight of the ball, so if you go to a to much lighter ball, the effect is somewhat lost.

Any Zombie effect is solely dependent on the acting ability of the performer. The prop is only that a prop to use. Zombie can be done with light bulbs, candles, and other props. It all depends on the performer, his acting, and his routine to get it over to the audience, and make them believe.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Aug 27, 2018 12:18AM)
I'm using Zombira for street performing at dusk, and it's absolutely crushing it! One of my most powerful pieces in my comprehensive arsenal. Would love to give this a shot on Fool Us, but it seems that they're not interested in any of my creations being done by me on the show.