(Close Window)
Topic: Sponge Ball Magic.
Message: Posted by: ThaRealGregBrady (Jan 15, 2014 05:19AM)
Hello All, I am currently obsessed with sponge ball magic. (Yeah, small things, small minds and all that)

What in your humble opinions is the 'Must Have' book/DVD for a newbie like me? nothing too complex as I am still perfecting my palming as it supposedly can be seen. (The wife claims too see everything though, even if there is nothing to be seen)
Message: Posted by: C_Biskit (Jan 15, 2014 05:51AM)
I have not bought/read these books! I repeat, I have not read these books. I did a search, using the search tool under Private Messages in the top right corner of the web page and next to F.A.Q., and found Jon Jensen Professional Sponge Ball Magic Volumes 1 & 2 listed a couple of times. The search tool isn't the greatest and you'll have to do some reading but it's almost garenteed that someone has asked the same question as you since this web forum opened over 10 years ago.

Hope this helps some!
Andy
Message: Posted by: OldManGloom (Jan 15, 2014 08:18AM)
I bought SPONGE Starring Jay Noblezada DVD a few months ago and have been enjoying it. It's is are great starting point and $20 at Penguin.
Message: Posted by: Bulla (Jan 15, 2014 10:36AM)
Patrick Page's Sponge Ball DVD http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S6129
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (Jan 15, 2014 11:57AM)
If you PM me, I'll give you a great starting routine. It uses 3 balls (audience aware of 2) and is routined to have the inbuilt misdirection so they aren't watching your dirty hand.

I got given it when starting out, and it allowed me to overcome the barrier of the concealments feeling too obvious compared to coin magic.
Message: Posted by: ThaRealGregBrady (Jan 15, 2014 01:28PM)
Thank you so much for the input. its very much appreciated.

David, I will certainly take you up on that offer.

C_Biskit, I have done a lot of searching and reading in the past (So much that I see green in my sleep.) Maybe I should have worded the question better, however. I still believe it to be as valid of a question today as it would be tomorrow due to the ever evolving art form. eg new books and DVD's are being released constantly. methods change and evolve, magicians opinions change, magicians are born and die every day. due to this situation I don't see why the question should illicit the old 'Search for yourself' response. I do really appreciate your input/book suggestions and welcome any debate on the subject.

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Jan 15, 2014 03:29PM)
Patrick page routine is gold. A great resource. Also if your new to magic and you want to try other things you cant go wrong with the mark Wilson complete course. It has a great sponge ball routine.

Sponge balls are great to learn slights and stuff. Also there is variations on a them, check out sponge bunnies, Ear plugs by Jay Sanky, Benson bowls routine, Squer ball mystery, growing sponge balls and Albert Goshman sponge ball routine.

Just to give you a whole lot more to want and learn.
Message: Posted by: troppobob (Jan 15, 2014 06:17PM)
G'day Greg

Lots of great advice above.

I would like to second one of the books suggested by Mr Yellow Custard (not his real name but a good bloke who has been to Oz from time to time) - Mark Wilson "Complete Course in Magic". The 4 ball routine that I use in my own performances is a slight variation on the one set out in that book. A bonus of this routine is that it is segmented and therfore can be modified in performance to be longer, shorter or just do one quick segment.

The other bonus is that this book is one of those suggested as a most valuable rersource for any one starting out as it is as the name indicates a complete course.

All the best with the magical journey.

Bob Latta (aka Troppo Bob)
Message: Posted by: motown (Jan 15, 2014 09:26PM)
Look into a The Encylopedia of Sponge Ball Magic DVD by Ben Salinas

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000ZJYWBO

Posted: Jan 15, 2014 10:27pm
Perfect for someone just starting out.
Message: Posted by: C_Biskit (Jan 15, 2014 10:03PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-15 14:28, ThaRealGregBrady wrote:
Thank you so much for the input. its very much appreciated.

David, I will certainly take you up on that offer.

C_Biskit, I have done a lot of searching and reading in the past (So much that I see green in my sleep.) Maybe I should have worded the question better, however. I still believe it to be as valid of a question today as it would be tomorrow due to the ever evolving art form. eg new books and DVD's are being released constantly. methods change and evolve, magicians opinions change, magicians are born and die every day. due to this situation I don't see why the question should illicit the old 'Search for yourself' response. I do really appreciate your input/book suggestions and welcome any debate on the subject.

Thank you.
[/quote]

I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. I know when I was first using this site I didn't know about the search function, and since you are a new user/poster I thought that it would be a good place to start. And while methods do evolve, the 'originals' are still important to know. But to each his own. I don't have any knowledge on sponges so I can't really provide my personal oppinion.

Cheers
Andy
Message: Posted by: ThaRealGregBrady (Jan 15, 2014 11:31PM)
C_Biskit, No offence taken nor directed towards you. I was merely trying to give a bit more context to what I was asking (Sometimes what I am thinking and what's being typed are 2 different things) Forums always have a certain way of taking everything out of context.

What type of performing do you do/prefer?

on a side note the resources you mention Jon Jensen Professional Sponge Ball Magic looks to be a winner. now I just have to find a local supplier which is difficult in my neck of the woods.
Message: Posted by: troppobob (Jan 15, 2014 11:59PM)
G'day Greg
Some local suppliers for books and props would include:
Sydney - Taylors magic Shop (on line only but you can talk on the fone), Hey Presto both are good to have mail deliveries.
Gold Coast - Mad on Magic
Melbourne - Bernards
All are good value.
Bob Latta (aka Troppo Bob)
Message: Posted by: ThaRealGregBrady (Jan 16, 2014 12:14AM)
Thanks troppo. I have been haunting the local book stores to no avail. I always try to shop local where possible. Small town mentality and all that. Got to go up to Sydney in a few weeks, if I find time I may get to take a look.
Message: Posted by: C_Biskit (Jan 16, 2014 01:43AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-16 00:31, ThaRealGregBrady wrote:
C_Biskit, No offence taken nor directed towards you. I was merely trying to give a bit more context to what I was asking (Sometimes what I am thinking and what's being typed are 2 different things) Forums always have a certain way of taking everything out of context.

What type of performing do you do/prefer?

on a side note the resources you mention Jon Jensen Professional Sponge Ball Magic looks to be a winner. now I just have to find a local supplier which is difficult in my neck of the woods.
[/quote]

Yeah I understand that, I do the same when I type sometimes. I am really enjoy doing mentalism and some cards stuff. The idea of having supernatural powers is always fun to perform. I know that those can be found on penguin here http://www.penguinmagic.com/search.php?q=Jon+Jensen+Professional+Sponge+Ball+Magic. Not sure where they ship to or can ship to though. only 12$ each and they don't look too heavy so international shipping shouldn't be too much more.
Message: Posted by: Russ P. (Jan 16, 2014 02:31AM)
As a newbie myself to magic I'm not sure I'm qualified to help, but I did just watch a download that I found quite informative. I'm terrible with anything that isn't cards at the moment and I'm only par with cards, but we all have to start out somewhere, so I needed some help with my sponge balls. This video is about 75 minutes long and for 50-60 of them they talk about proper handling, palms, false transfers, productions and just general tools that you would need to make the magic and not just a single routine. The full routine is saved for last. The magician explaining the material seems to know what he's doing and gives tips and small subtleties that will make my, and perhaps your, magic stronger.

One of the best features for me is that it's a download. I'm impatient and love to get right in there and working so not having to wait for the dvd in the mail really helped.

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=DX8242&keyword=SPONGE BALL

Hope it helps.
Message: Posted by: Russ P. (Jan 16, 2014 02:36AM)
Also David, good on you for stepping up to offer some extra help when needed. That's awesome :).
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (Jan 16, 2014 09:33PM)
L&L's dvd on sponge ball magic.
Message: Posted by: mahucharn (Jan 17, 2014 12:01PM)
A lot of people do not seem to like Noblezada's Sponge DVD, but I've found it to be quite useful. Good production quality, relatively cheap, comes with sponges, and clearly teaches you all of the necessary moves needed to create your own routine. I've heard nothing but good things about the Patrick Page video either. The World's Greatest Magic series on sponge balls is probably also worth looking at (again, relatively cheap).

Best wishes,
Mahu
Message: Posted by: motown (Jan 17, 2014 07:43PM)
The Spongeball Tool Kit is another excellent resource.
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Jan 17, 2014 09:43PM)
Another vote for the Patrick Page DVD
Message: Posted by: Roy the Illusionist (Jan 17, 2014 10:01PM)
See this thread for Lawrence O's comprehensive list of sponge ball resources:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=488112&forum=115&28
Message: Posted by: neocatalyst (Jan 18, 2014 04:24PM)
Frank Garcia's Encyclopedia of Sponge Ball Magic is very good.
Message: Posted by: motown (Jan 18, 2014 04:51PM)
Yes, but not readily available.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 18, 2014 07:34PM)
I may have missed someone mentioning it, but my first intro to sponge balls came from http://www.amazon.com/Now-You-See-It-Dont/dp/0394722027 stuck with me for 20 years. Also, I second the nomination for the Ben Salinas dvd - Encyclopedia of sponge ball magic. (You will never go wrong with a Ben Salinas Dvd)

And welcome to the Café' :)
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 18, 2014 07:57PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-17 13:01, mahucharn wrote:
A lot of people do not seem to like Noblezada's Sponge DVD
Best wishes,
Mahu
[/quote]

Im not sure why but I think it goes along the "who is the better James Bond debate) I grew up just after Roger Moore became Bond and he will always be my Bond. When I started in magic around 20 years ago, a brick and mortor shop would lead you toward vhs tapes by Ammar and Roth and Darryl. They were very good at teaching slights and technique. (There were many others, as well as books, but they were my first experience in learning "real magic")

when the internet age hit and vhs gave way to dvds and brick and mortor shops began to close rather than compete with internet magic shops. Everyone needed their "Teachers". Along came Penguin with Oz and Jay. Ellusonist gave us Brad and talented others. Blue Crown gave us Alex along with another slue of talent.

None of this is a bad thing, just different. We will all find our personal favorites (Gregory Wilson for me - Double Take changed my life :) ) and some we would rather watch over others who are just as talented (I prefer Ben Salinas over Jay Noblezada. Both talented - just different)

Lots of great references here though. Good luck finding your own picks. You will know them when you see them.
Message: Posted by: wally (May 12, 2014 05:45AM)
Hi, I have just got the Pat page sponge ball dvd, who sells the best sponge balls, what make should I go for,Also a nice soft jumbo. magicwalsh@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: kasper (May 12, 2014 12:15PM)
Sponge ball magic is awesome but very addicting. When you show people sponge ball magic they will ask you to perform it for them and their friends ALL the time.

When you don't show them sponge ball magic they will get very angry. Just don't get caught walking around with sponge balls and carrying them around wherever you go.

If you do the women will make fun of you. Ha!. you have been warned! :welcome:
Message: Posted by: 55Hudson (May 12, 2014 03:10PM)
Most sponge ball routines can also be done with bar napkins rolled into a ball. Well worth learning how to do routines with alternate props.

Regarding sources of balls, there are many and personal preference is an important factor. I don't like the super soft because they end up all misshapen after sitting in my pocket ...

Hudson
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (May 12, 2014 06:50PM)
For what's new in sponge ball magic, turn to the young magicians who are taking it to new places, such as Qua-Fiki's "Zippy Sponge Ball Routine" in the Wizards' Journal #26. He was the first to mix different color sponge balls together in his "One Fish, Two Fish" routine in The Wizards' Journal #20, and this routine does it again, but with just two color sponge balls. However, the Zippy part of his routine comes from making use of a zipper bracelet to start the color changes. He also has a new sleight, a variation on the changeover palm that he calls the "Open Palm Transformation." It's good to see that the youngsters are seeing that no area of magic is a dead-end where there is nothing new to be learned. There's always something new under the sun.
Message: Posted by: frankvomit (May 13, 2014 06:53AM)
Also Eugene Berger has a nice routine on one of his series for L&L. The best one that helped me out the most though was Steve Dacries sponge ball Toolbox I stil watch it just because it's entertaining and there's a great routine on there by Al Goshlin and many other magical giants it's a great soarce of information.
Message: Posted by: SDMoore1 (May 13, 2014 07:31AM)
"Daryl" (who I'm going to see lecture tonight, by the way) has a few Sponge Ball DVDs.
I haven't seen them, myself, but noticed he has them on his website.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (May 13, 2014 10:31AM)
Here are some of my favorite sources and routines:

Encyclopedia of Sponge Ball Magic
World's Greatest Magic - SPonge Balls
Mad Sponges (Magic Geek - I think they just started producing them again)
Daryl's Papa Rabbit Hits the Big Time
Sponge Carrot endless Production

Daryl has a Penguin Live lecture where he talks about his sponge ball routine. What I like about it is it engages the audience and has meaning. I think the biggest problem with sponge balls is when they are performed as sponge balls with no apparent meaning to the audience. First, I would suggest never referring to them as "sponge balls". It can kill much of the magic. Personally, I don't do sponge ball magic in a participants hands (with sponge balls), for that reason. I think it is more magical if they appear to be little rubber balls and are never perceived to be made of sponge. In fact, when I use them, I either use Daryl's sponge rabbit/bird, or I use them along with a few rubber balls that looks very similar. I switch them in and out and use the rubber balls to interact with the audience. I combine principles of sponge balls, cups and balls, billiard balls, magic, and juggling into one routine. Now, balls are appearing, disappearing, and I toss a couple rubber balls to the audience so they see they are solid.

Good luck creating something unique for yourself.

KJ