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Topic: Price point of the Cellini dvd's?
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 17, 2014 12:20PM)
I promise I tried to search first.
So in my reading here the name Cellini pops up so I start digging more, find out he's a well respected and accomplished street performer. I'm interested, so I keep reading, whammo! he's got a "how to" DVD set, Great! Come to find out they're running $65 a pop? What the what?
Having been a consumer for a while now, most instructional dvd's run in the $20-$35 range or so individually, $65 is clearly out of the norm.
My question is what, in your opinion justifies the price tag? I am certainly interested in the set but that price tag is a bit of a speed bump. I admit, I'm complaining a bit but what I want to know is, in your opinion, what sets them apart?
In your opinion is the price tag justified?
Worth the investment? Why are they deliberately ahead of the average price point? To set them apart? Limit the appeal?
Message: Posted by: Pizpor (Jan 17, 2014 01:53PM)
Consider it the price of learnng from one of the masters of your trade. You're paying for a lifetime of experience. It's hard to put a price point on that. Only you can decide what it is worth to you.

Is it worth it? I have everything Cellini filmed or printed. I never regretted what I had to spend on any of it.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 17, 2014 02:11PM)
I liked them. But I do think they are over priced.
Message: Posted by: ekins (Jan 17, 2014 02:38PM)
The DVD's are good, but as usual, a better return on your money is to get the book.
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Jan 18, 2014 03:52AM)
Cellini is another kind of performer. I have most of his releases. It is always difficult to tell someone else if they think something is worth the money.

When I started out, the first DVD in his Street series helped me more then I understood at the time. Cellini had a way that is not taught these days. His calm appearance, his way of life. If you want to know how to build an act, make money and have a lot of fun. Perhaps Kozmos DVD:s are better suited.

Cellinis style is more old school and in many ways fundamental for the street magician. If I was to tell you what to buy,DVD-wise, I would say the first one. It is worth the money. If you're after tricks look elsewhere.

Best,

Ark
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 18, 2014 01:51PM)
Nah, I have more material/tricks that I know what to do with anymore. I'm more interested in building skill foundations and understanding the how's and why's of performance, psychology if you will than actual tricks.
With regards to the Cellini set mostly I was just wondering why it was priced higher than the average dvd.
Message: Posted by: Endless West (Jan 18, 2014 03:30PM)
To keep it in the hands of those who really want it and not in the hands of those who are just adding another dvd to their bookshelf. If the TT cost $65 every 7 year old wouldn't blurt out "I know how that's done!" when they see you disappear a silk.
Message: Posted by: David95 (Jan 18, 2014 09:08PM)
I have the DVD's and his book. The DVDs were purchased first. The book is hard to find. It is not cheap either. I am glad to have both.
David
Message: Posted by: mike bonfield (Jan 19, 2014 09:50AM)
Hi Guys Cellini Books Dvds I have The best Buy Ever I have made ...............................Enjoy if you buy
Message: Posted by: magic123 (Jan 19, 2014 10:06AM)
If you have to moan & groan over investing $65.00 to learn the teachings & inner
thoughts of a master , you are simply not interested .

m123
Message: Posted by: MagiUlysses (Jan 20, 2014 10:10PM)
Greetings and Salutations,

I think we need to put this into perspective. Cellini's books and videos are not expensive, they're investments. If you put in the time reading, watching, studying, reviewing, and assessing and reassessing your performance vis a vis Cellini's advice, you will discover that his material is actually quite cost-effective, if not down-right cheap for what you're getting. Cellini learned from Slydini, a master, and Cellini is himself a master. He is, unfortunately, no longer with us, but his wisdom, knowledge, and experience have been captured for history.

What is the knowledge, experience, and wisdom of a master worth to you? Only you can determine the price you're willing to pay.

If all you're interested in is dabbling in street performing, there are several cheap resources, but remember, you get what you pay for.

I have discovered that any time well-spent on the street pays huge dividends in other arenas.

My beautiful, talented, lovely, and significantly better half knows where my copy of Cellini's Royal Touch is on the book shelf, and she knows to grab it if nothing else in case of a fire. I am convinced that the magic and advice in this book alone could take me around the world and back again with nothing more than a few magic props, a decent costume, and some pluck. I have read the book several times, and if I could only own one book, this would be the one.

However, that is just my $.02 (USD) worth. YMMV. With the exception of the London Lecture from International Magic, I own everything Cellini, and I have benefited from it greatly.

Joe Zeman aka
The Mage Ulysses
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 20, 2014 11:02PM)
Thank you guys for the input.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jan 22, 2014 11:08AM)
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On 2014-01-18 14:51, Chris.Z wrote:
I'm more interested in building skill foundations and understanding the how's and why's of performance,
psychology if you will than actual tricks. [/quote]

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Message: Posted by: tom hughes (Jan 22, 2014 11:14AM)
I agree with every word MagicUlysses said, with one caveat. I recently discovered (after years of self deluding DVD buying) that I really only learn from books... as a result I'm in the process of selling almost all my DVDs. Try and understand how you learn and then buy the materials appropriate for that learning style. Cellini's books are incredible but, and I'm sticking my neck out here, I believe that his DVDs (with the exception of the International Magic London Lecture) were filmed past Cellini's prime... they're good, but the London Lecture and the books are better.
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 22, 2014 11:56PM)
I agree with you Tom, you have to find learning material geared towards your learning style. It only took me 37 years to figure out, I have a really hard time learning from books. The book Devious posted seems to be more theory, and such, I can read that all day long and learn fine but when it comes to the routining or step by step instructions for how to do an effect it's like mud to me, I can do it but it's really difficult. I am very much a visual learner.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 23, 2014 12:18AM)
Chris.Z, that kind of leads to coping someone else, more then learning and applying your own personality and mannerisms to your performance.

There is a set of DVD on performing, but as it is by a person who actually consults people on their performances, it would not show how you should perform a trick. Joanie Spina consults but you have to have your magic acts down. She will not tell you want magic to perform.

She created a set of DVDs for the serious minded called "Get your Act Together".
http://joaniespina.com/products/dvds

Tony Clark also consults magicians.

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About your above comment: It is difficult for everyone, if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. Those that put in the hard thought and work, are the ones in Vegas, Atlantic City, and performing professionally.
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 23, 2014 01:57AM)
Wow Bill, it's a good thing you're here to tell me what to do. I'm sorry I had my own opinion, I didn't mean to. Do you know me? You ever looked me in the eye and shook my hand?

Did you seriously just discount DVD's because you think it will lead to "coping" someone elses performances and then reccomend a dvd set to me?
It's incredibly asanine and arrogant of you to completely ignore my previous post where I said "I know what works for me", and then to imply that those of us who are visual learners, and play to their strengths will never make it in the big leagues.

In the future, you just let me worry about me ok?
You owe me an apology
Message: Posted by: Devious (Jan 23, 2014 11:39AM)
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Message: Posted by: Ihop (Jan 23, 2014 03:15PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-23 02:57, Chris.Z wrote:
Wow Bill, it's a good thing you're here to tell me what to do. I'm sorry I had my own opinion, I didn't mean to. Do you know me? You ever looked me in the eye and shook my hand?

Did you seriously just discount DVD's because you think it will lead to "coping" someone elses performances and then reccomend a dvd set to me?
It's incredibly asanine and arrogant of you to completely ignore my previous post where I said "I know what works for me", and then to imply that those of us who are visual learners, and play to their strengths will never make it in the big leagues.

In the future, you just let me worry about me ok?
You owe me an apology
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Chris,
Bravo!
:applause:
Message: Posted by: MagicDebbie (Jan 27, 2014 08:31PM)
Chris.Z if you've never busked and want to try it, Kozmo's dvds "Tales From The Street" is a very valuable resource as it will shave years off the learning curve ( if you're going to go out, you might as well increase your chances of success and make some money ).

Here's a clip of Kozmo describing what the dvds are about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmk5zI4Dsw0
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 28, 2014 06:55PM)
Hi Debbie, the Kozmo Dvd's are on my radar. Have some other material (books included) that I need to pick up first, but I appreciate the input.
Message: Posted by: Hawkan (Jan 30, 2014 07:13AM)
Hello Chris.
I know this might seem a bit OT, but the best advice comes from Jimmy Talksalot: "Itīs better to go out and do something, than to stay home and plan something". One good source of information is probably enough. You will learn from actually performing. Be ready to suck bluewhale in the beginning, but donīt let that stop you. Good luck!

Hawkan
:wavey:
Message: Posted by: DoctorCognos (Jan 30, 2014 05:35PM)
Having been a Cellini fan for a long time. Being blessed to have met him, sit and talk with him, and listen to him talk about magic, audiences, life,etc. and seeing him lecture, makes having his DVD to play, and to remind me, pretty much priceless.

So to me, the price is fair. But your mileage may vary..

The Doctor
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (Jan 30, 2014 11:53PM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-30 08:13, Hawkan wrote:
Hello Chris.
I know this might seem a bit OT, but the best advice comes from Jimmy Talksalot: "Itīs better to go out and do something, than to stay home and plan something". One good source of information is probably enough. You will learn from actually performing. Be ready to suck bluewhale in the beginning, but donīt let that stop you. Good luck!

Hawkan
:wavey:
[/quote]

LOL Getting out and doing is absolutely on my to do list! I'm just trying to make sure I don't do magic any harm in the process! I want to learn what I can, polish what I can't and throw away the rest of it.

Not really, but I also want to work out a pithy saying along the same lines.
Thank you all very much for the input, I have every intention of learning more about the Maestro when time permits.
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Jan 31, 2014 02:59AM)
I did my first street show when I was 15. Five months earlier I had seen my first street show. In total, I had seen four different shows.

It was 20 years ago. I have read all the books and seen the DVD:s. They did change lots - but they never, ever changed me the way the street in it self did. There's the truth. Stop reading, stop planning, start doing.

That's what the street is all about. In one month, you get more experience than any regular worker since you do 3-10 shows a day. A day!
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Jan 31, 2014 03:39AM)
Perhaps that came out a bit harsh. I mean it in a supportive way. Just get out there and do it. It will change you.
Message: Posted by: keeblem (Feb 3, 2014 04:05AM)
[quote]
On 2014-01-31 03:59, Arkadia wrote:
I did my first street show when I was 15. Five months earlier I had seen my first street show. In total, I had seen four different shows.

It was 20 years ago. I have read all the books and seen the DVD:s. They did change lots - but they never, ever changed me the way the street in it self did. There's the truth. Stop reading, stop planning, start doing.

That's what the street is all about. In one month, you get more experience than any regular worker since you do 3-10 shows a day. A day!
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[like] :)

Like the videos on your website, too!
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Feb 4, 2014 11:50AM)
Thanks man!
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Apr 11, 2014 11:17PM)
I wonder how many didn't pay for the Cellini DVDs to save money but got some Jay Nosebleeda DVSs instead as they came out on sale from penquin????
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Apr 12, 2014 06:23AM)
LOL Getting out and doing is absolutely on my to do list! I'm just trying to make sure I don't do magic any harm in the process! I want to learn what I can, polish what I can't and throw away the rest of it.

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chris Z don't worry about harming magic. because everybody who goes out there harms magic. why? because they have to learn. so you do it wrong to make it better. that is great about the street if it does not work, try 10 minutes later again. it needs at least one summer to get the feel of it.

i was lucky to meet Cellini he even taught me some things. CELLINI IS THE KING OF STREET MAGIC. because of him there is now street magic. Have fun!