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Topic: Uri Geller on Israeli national tv
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jan 4, 2004 04:16AM)
Yes, after years of silence (and unfriendly one I might say) Uri showed his face again on national TV here in Israel, his homeland. What can I say? He'd better keep silent. He did the exact feats he did 30 years ago(exactly! nothing new) with the same over-childish excitment, and all in all he looked totally outdated and even pathetic (those are my parents' words by the way). the end of a legend. sad.

Nimrod , Israel
Message: Posted by: Nir Dahan (Jan 4, 2004 04:22AM)
Nimrod,

He will pop up again - you will see. and most Israelis adore him - he is a symbol of success.
btw I missed his appearance but did he mention again that he didn't dye his hair? I think that was the point he started to lose his credibility for me ;)

Nir
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Jan 4, 2004 04:22AM)
Nimrod,

Is this the average viewers opinion, or just yours?
Message: Posted by: Nir Dahan (Jan 4, 2004 04:26AM)
Sven,

His appearances on Israeli TV in the past decade or so are truly pathetic—people who only heard of Geller's glory days and never saw anything were disappointed. He still lives in the minds of an older generation who remembers him in his glory. The new generation doesn't care so much for him, they just quote the name from time to time, but they are not the majority (yet). Most Israelis (older guys) see him as a hero.
Message: Posted by: JamesCheung (Jan 4, 2004 04:39AM)
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On 2004-01-04 05:22, Nir Dahan wrote:
Nimrod,

he will pop up again - you will see. and most israelis adore him - he is a symbol of success.
btw I missed his appearance but did he mention again that he didn't dye his hair? I think that was the point he started to lose his credibility for me ;)

Nir
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He actually lost credibility with me when he appeared on [i]I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here![/i]

However, there was a hilarious incident on a British travel show recently when he and his family ended up going to some Mediterranean island and Uri went exploring by himself ending up sitting next to the bell in some old clock tower. After about half an hour of "concentrating" the bell rang and Uri in his excitement called up his daughter telling her how he made the bell ring. His daughter casually pointed out that it was on the hour and maybe it wasn't down to his mental powers. He replied, "Hmmm, maybe, maybe not..." A most liberal application of the definition = creation theory if ever I saw one...

Let's face it, Uri has probably done more for modern mentalism than anyone but he's become a caricature of himself. I think he should retire gracefully and enjoy his wealth and his family.
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Jan 4, 2004 05:10AM)
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On 2004-01-04 05:26, Nir Dahan wrote:
Sven,

His appearances on Israeli TV in the past decade or so are truly pathetic—people who only heard of Geller's glory days and never saw anything were disappointed. He still lives in the minds of an older generation who remembers him in his glory. The new generation doesn't care so much for him, they just quote the name from time to time, but they are not the majority (yet). Most Israelis (older guys) see him as a hero. [/quote]
OK, :) I haven't seen him since he appeared in a Norwegian TV show some 25-30 years ago.

Sven
Message: Posted by: Nir Dahan (Jan 4, 2004 09:48AM)
Sven, trust me, you lost nothing...
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Jan 4, 2004 10:05AM)
I believe you!! :nod:
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jan 4, 2004 10:22AM)
Sven,

This is my parents' opinion. They were in one of his very first shows (in Haifa city) in the early 70s, they remembered him as a huge star and were very disappointed now. (Maybe it's because they keep comparing him to me...)

Nimrod
Message: Posted by: Steve Knight (Jan 4, 2004 05:24PM)
I think it's a bit unfair to complain that Uri is still using the same old effects. How many of the great names in magic have advised that it's better to do half a dozen tricks really well rather than a hundred only passably? Uri has done that and for the most part he's used his own original material. Not only that but how many magic acts could survive 30 years of exposure, scrutiny and criticism in the way that Uri's has?
Message: Posted by: Tantrik (Jan 4, 2004 05:49PM)
Uri lives in England and regularly appears in papers and in other media there. He's made a fortune and lives in a huge mansion in a small village. The people there respect him highly as he helped prevent the area from becoming a tourist site.

As James Cheung said, he's probably done more for modern mentalism than anyone. We should all be so lucky.
Message: Posted by: shrink (Jan 4, 2004 06:03PM)
I like Uri,

But he has passed his sell by date for sure, not many people I know think he is genuine anymore. An era has passed and the timing was important to Uri's success. He wouldn't have made it starting out today. I doubt anyone will follow in his footsteps. Times have changed. The public has changed grown up. He will still have some believers but nothing like in the past.
Message: Posted by: JamesCheung (Jan 4, 2004 07:02PM)
Uri is a nice guy. I've met him on a number of occasions over the years and he's been charming and courteous. My problem with him is that he takes himself a bit too seriously and IMHO this has damaged his reputation irreparably. To make some of the claims he has done is quite frankly an insult to the collective intelligence of the public of today. We all have a performance premise but intimating, if not outright claiming, paranormal powers is outrageous given that many of his tricks have been successfully debunked as just that. Banachek could have continued claiming likewise but hasn't and has helped advance this field of ours with his thinking.

On the other hand, Uri has done so much to raise awareness of mentalism without actually claiming to be a 'mentalist' and without him there would be no Banachek or Derren Brown. He's done very well financially and in media exposure which may be why so many of his compatriots are so keen on taking him down a notch.
Message: Posted by: Neal Roter (Jan 5, 2004 07:33AM)
Geller is the most famous magician in the world. What more do you want...
Message: Posted by: ESP Guy (Jan 5, 2004 09:36AM)
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On 2004-01-04 18:24, Steve Knight wrote:
I think it's a bit unfair to complain that Uri is still using the same old effects. How many of the great names in magic have advised that it's better to do half a dozen tricks really well rather than a hundred only passably? Uri has done that and for the most part he's used his own original material. Not only that but how many magic acts could survive 30 years of exposure, scrutiny and criticism in the way that Uri's has?
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It's been said, "Amateurs do different tricks for the same people. Professionals do the same tricks for different people."

Thom
Message: Posted by: Tantrik (Jan 5, 2004 11:54AM)
I have only met Uri once, and as James says, he is a very nice guy. He is very energetic and positive which certainly can be seen as taking himself seriously. However, I would respectfully suggest that the attitude is Uri's "schtick" and part of what has made him popular for decades and quite wealthy.

Do his claims insult the "collective intelligence of the public of today?" Well, in the worlds of H.L. Menken, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Jan 6, 2004 01:42AM)
The power of Geller was in the controversy. These days it's hard to find people who even care about him let alone the controversy.

Out of the 1000 spoon bends I have done publicly, maybe 100 of those times some one has known the name Uri Geller!
Message: Posted by: Greg Owen (Jan 6, 2004 09:19AM)
Part of my bending routine is to ask the audience by show of hands if they have heard of Uri Geller. Usually 40-50% of the hands go up. Pretty amazing considering I only recall one TV appearance in the past umpteen years here in the U.S., yet people have heard of him!!!

As to the public being too intelligent to believe he's real, etc., just look at the continuing success of psychics, palm and tarot card readers, and yes—even psychics on 900 lines.

I see no reason why someone could not pass themselves off as real provided that, from time to time, they deliver the goods as Uri has done.

- Greg Owen
Message: Posted by: Neal Roter (Jan 6, 2004 12:04PM)
Anyone have any idea how come Geller hasn't changed over the years?
Message: Posted by: Banachek (Jan 6, 2004 02:27PM)
Geller is charming, intelligent and inventive. The reason Geller has not changed (at least much) is because he has not had to. Every once in a while he goes in a slightly new direction.

I don't think it is professional jealousy that is the reason some of his contemporaries bring him down. It is more of a philisophical reason, a morality issue, for most. If such was the case, I would personally not sing the praises of David Blaine or Derren Brown, but I do.

The problem I have with Geller, at least for me, is the kind of the same sort of problem I have with Edward, although I have a bigger problem with this kind of "talking to the dead" than I do with "false claims of ESP in research capacity". Yet they are closely related in my mind and both damaging to the advancement of mankind as a whole when it comes to reality and research and progress.

And yes, it is true, there probably would not be a Banachek if there was no Geller and Randi. Then again you never know. :-)
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jan 7, 2004 10:41AM)
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If such was the case, I would personally not sing the praises of David Blaine or Derren Brown, but I do.
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There is nothing really wrong claiming you have real powers (and I agree, claiming it not directly like Blaine and Brown do is as claiming it) BUT there is much wrong in using those "powers" for causes other than entertainment. Geller does it. Many times he gave people false hope and took their money claiming he had the powers to help them. But this is again the old debate...

Nimrod , Israel
Message: Posted by: Tantrik (Jan 7, 2004 04:27PM)
Nimrod, could you give some documentation to the claim that "many times he (Geller) gave people false hope and took their money claiming he has the powers to help them?"

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jan 7, 2004 05:37PM)
Are you serious? I don't have the time to go through all the links in Randi's website so here are just two small examples:

http://www.randi.org/jr/02-27-2000.html
http://www.randi.org/jr/090701.html

You can find many, many other places on the net describing Geller's unethical deeds and industry. This man crossed the lines many years ago and has never came back.

Nimrod, Israel
Message: Posted by: eggshell (Jan 10, 2004 01:18PM)
Uri Geller has done nothing for mentalism if we are looking at it as a mysterious and psychological form of magical entertainment. Uri Geller has, however, done a lot for psychics who put people in contact with dead relatives for a lot of money and other such bunkum.

At some point in mentalism acts there is a very dangerous line: if you go into your act with a knowing twinkle saying this is all just hokum really then you aren't going to have a successful act. If you go in absolutely claiming to be real then I have problems with the morality of that as there are a lot of naive people out there who could potentially be hurt. Having said that, within a show scenario then I might just buy this big white lie from a morality point of view.

Mr. Geller, however, went on "factual" TV programs and news shows claiming to have paranormal powers and I find this objectionable and immoral. Charming as he may be, I don't associate my interests in magic any way with his and I am amazed to think that people say he has influenced modern mentalism. If he has then I think I'll give it a miss.
Message: Posted by: nimrod (Jan 11, 2004 05:13AM)
Uri Geller was one of the strongest influence to the modern mentalism. You can't argue with that when the leading performers of our days admit that this man influenced their show.

Nimrod, Israel
Message: Posted by: Neal Roter (Jan 13, 2004 09:00PM)
Eggshell

Love your name and love your picture!!
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Jan 14, 2004 08:27AM)
Geller is a con and wants people to believe he has special powers and then when somebody like James Randi challenges him, he runs for the hills. The less of him the better.
Message: Posted by: shahin (Jan 25, 2004 12:16PM)
After a long time he will pop up on German television on Wednesday. I guess he will be on TV for about 20 minutes or so. For those in Germany who are interested, he will appear on "Stern TV".

Shahin