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Topic: New mentalism book : Real Telepathy
Message: Posted by: DrAz (Feb 11, 2014 08:18PM)
Hi Guys,


There is a new mentalism book on the market, a best seller in Europe since severals months, now available in english !

http://www.esp-origins.com/product/24
Message: Posted by: XyGreg (Feb 12, 2014 06:24AM)
Good news for english/US people :) this is very good and the book is only the visible part of the iceberg :)
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 12, 2014 08:35AM)
I am sure Jean-Jacques Sanvert will chime in here soon :). He is not a only highly respected magician who knows a bit about mentalism but also member here. Jan
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Feb 13, 2014 03:50AM)
I've order it yesterday. Not sure how long postage will take but will give my thoughts when I have read it
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Feb 13, 2014 04:20AM)
This book is awesome... One of my best purchase three years ago.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 13, 2014 04:47AM)
Does it work well for close-up or is it mainly a stage thing?
Message: Posted by: insight (Feb 13, 2014 08:36PM)
Dorian, do you still perform this? What are limitations to know from a performer's perspective? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike
Message: Posted by: MatthewSims (Feb 14, 2014 12:39AM)
I can't believe I missed this. I've been on that site before and never came across it. I too would like to know the stipulations as far as performance. Close up, one on one, or stage?
Message: Posted by: puffinmonkey (Feb 14, 2014 02:12AM)
Is this going to be sold in U.S. shops soon?

Thanks,

Alex
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Feb 14, 2014 06:05AM)
I am interested in this book, but wonder if you are correct 100% of the time?

I am also curious about the "bestseller in Europe for months"? Almost every country in Europe have their own language, and I find it a bit strange that this is a bestseller in Europe if it`s not been published in english before. Maybe I`m missing something?

It looks like an interesting book. Looking forward to read some reviews.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Feb 14, 2014 06:39AM)
Well I was happy to take the plunge when I saw Jean-Jacques Sanvert comments on it. He is a very busy professional but occasionally visits the Café, so he may be able to shed his thoughts more here.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Feb 14, 2014 07:07AM)
[quote]
On 2014-02-13 21:36, insight wrote:
Dorian, do you still perform this? What are limitations to know from a performer's perspective? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike
[/quote]

Yes I still perform this... Although keep in mind that this is not something to perform automatically at each show/gig. You need to choose the right atmosphere, the right person, etc. It is really a powerful experience, and I had never seen something like this before in the magic litterature. It opens many possibilities, and connects to so much more aspects that mentalism by itself.

It is not 100% surefire, but you can always turn it into your advantage.

Anyway, each time I perform this, the spectator is convinced that I know his drawing even before the effect is finished / the revelation is done.

Of course, it will work in english and any other language. It's better for close-up / intimate performance though... But I see that working on stage too... but I never did that on stage, only close-up. I heavily recommend this to any serious performer (not the hobbyist).

This is a true little gem, and it would have been nice to keep it underground ;)
Message: Posted by: gab (Feb 15, 2014 05:05AM)
This effect has been underground for at least 15 years... The book in french was released in 2011.

It is a very powerful effect to keep for special occasions.
It can also be used/practiced in conjunction with a more conventional method. As no p**k is necessary, the spectator is convinced you now the drawing even before the p**k!
Message: Posted by: wolfwaldbauer (Feb 19, 2014 03:27AM)
Voh002,
you are right by stating that it's a bit strange that this is a bestseller in Europe as almost every country has its own language.
Personally I'm in mentalism 24/7 and until today I've never heard about "Real Mentalism" before. But there is so much going on in internet that probably I've missed it.
Anyway, I'll check this out, because I like the premise and if Jean-Jaques Sanvert says it's good, I believe him.

doriancaudal,
could you please tell us a little bit more about how the effect is presented, without exposing the method?
Thanks,

Wolf
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Feb 19, 2014 03:35AM)
I got the book and I honeslty used this kind of techinque (not exactly the same but almost similar) in some works with my friend Kenton Knepper.
But, I have to say that the book explore very well this idea, that has a great potential and in the right circumstances it can be a miracle.
There is part towards the end of the book, that I think is worth a LOT, but obviously I can's say much.
Overall, the book has a very good thinking and for me is a good food for thought.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Feb 19, 2014 06:41AM)
[quote]
doriancaudal,
could you please tell us a little bit more about how the effect is presented, without exposing the method?
Thanks,

Wolf
[/quote]

You ask the spectator to draw something. He can be in front of you, or at the phone at the other side of the planet.
Then you begin to describe his drawing… more and more precisely.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Feb 19, 2014 07:24AM)
Just ordered this---always look forward to new thinking and hands off mentalism
Message: Posted by: wolfwaldbauer (Feb 19, 2014 01:20PM)
Thanks,
I'll order it tonight.
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Feb 21, 2014 05:07AM)
Dauriancaudal...
I am very happy to know you are a professionnel, I thought you are an hobbyist and you have another job, you are not scientist anymore...Great news.
Now you become a specialist in mentalism...
Message: Posted by: wolfwaldbauer (Mar 6, 2014 05:56AM)
Ok, I've read the booklet, but HAVEN'T TRIED IT OUT YET.

The effect COULD be a winner (there are some chances that it won't work), but, as Luca Volpe says, there are some nice touches towards the end of the book and with some more thought one may come up with even more of them.
Sorrily the effect is not repeatable for the same group but, as doriancaudal says, it can be a very powerful experience in a close up environment.

Wolf
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 6, 2014 09:09AM)
[quote]
On Feb 21, 2014, wanda&viktor wrote:
Dauriancaudal...
I am very happy to know you are a professionnel, I thought you are an hobbyist and you have another job, you are not scientist anymore...Great news.
Now you become a specialist in mentalism...
[/quote]

The line between hobbyist and professional is a fine line.

Some of us have to keep our day jobs, but still perform many times weekly/monthly.

It isn't unusual these days to have two jobs. I know this has been debated many times here before.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 6, 2014 09:18AM)
[quote]
On Feb 21, 2014, wanda&viktor wrote:
Dauriancaudal...
I am very happy to know you are a professionnel, I thought you are an hobbyist and you have another job, you are not scientist anymore...Great news.
Now you become a specialist in mentalism...
[/quote]

Your comment sounded a little shall we say "arrogant"... or did I mis-read it?
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Mar 6, 2014 07:49PM)
Its interesting, and 15 years ago it would have been a little more ground breaking than today. Unfortunately I'd like to be more direct and quicker paced. For me, too much fishing and possible misses. There are better techniques available today (look at Peter Turner, Jerome Finley)more suitable for a reader than a parlor or stage performer. Even close up coffee shop I feel would be too vague. None the less, for the cost it was worth reading and studying to help in further education of that no prop mentalism goal if that is your cup of tea. I'll be sticking to something a little more sure fire like any form of an imp or peek.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Mar 6, 2014 07:57PM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, takeachance wrote:
Its interesting, and 15 years ago it would have been a little more ground breaking than today. Unfortunately I'd like to be more direct and quicker paced. For me, too much fishing and possible misses. There are better techniques available today (look at Peter Turner, Jerome Finley)more suitable for a reader than a parlor or stage performer. Even close up coffee shop I feel would be too vague. None the less, for the cost it was worth reading and studying to help in further education of that no prop mentalism goal if that is your cup of tea. I'll be sticking to something a little more sure fire like any form of an imp or peek.
[/quote]

Thanks for your input about this book I have now made up my mind about buying this.



Best
Ray
Message: Posted by: cpbartak (Mar 6, 2014 08:26PM)
This is more a piece to the puzzle rather than the whole puzzle, for me. But it's a good piece. Reminds me a bit of Ian Rowland's No Method Drawing Dup, but with words. If you're familiar with Pete's Name Divination, think about how you could build a mental drawing dupe using that method, using these as the first impressions you give.
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 12, 2014 02:53PM)
Saysold,
Doriancaudal is a Magician and absolutly not a Mentalist. He speak as a specialist he is not, just a small clarification statement.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 12, 2014 03:58PM)
Guys, don't pay attention to wanda&viktor, he is a bit arrogant, even on our french magic forum. He is frustrated about almost everything :) Don't feed the troll, as we say !

And enjoy Real Telepathy !
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 14, 2014 04:49PM)
Yes frustrated by all magic and mentalism exposed by people like you... You love to share a lot of information with everybody and you act like a pro but you are an hobbyist and you understand nothing.
Parmenion tell you hello, he is a good friend of us ;-))))
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 14, 2014 04:49PM)
Edit
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 14, 2014 05:03PM)
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, takeachance wrote:
Its interesting, and 15 years ago it would have been a little more ground breaking than today. Unfortunately I'd like to be more direct and quicker paced. For me, too much fishing and possible misses. There are better techniques available today (look at Peter Turner, Jerome Finley)more suitable for a reader than a parlor or stage performer. Even close up coffee shop I feel would be too vague. None the less, for the cost it was worth reading and studying to help in further education of that no prop mentalism goal if that is your cup of tea. I'll be sticking to something a little more sure fire like any form of an imp or peek.
[/quote]

This is in a sum quite my opinion. Jan
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 14, 2014 05:34PM)
[quote]
On Mar 14, 2014, wanda&viktor wrote:
Yes frustrated by all magic and mentalism exposed by people like you... You love to share a lot of information with everybody and you act like a pro but you are an hobbyist and you understand nothing.
Parmenion tell you hello, he is a good friend of us ;-))))
[/quote]

Exposed ? This is the craziest thing I've read in a long time. Can you tell me one specific example, please ? And why don't I understand anything ? Can you clarify this wrong statement ?
So many affirmations without knowing me... woah! Impressive...
This will be my last message to you, you don't deserve to be answered and considered anymore, and Patrick's book Real Telepathy deserves more than your trolling.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Mar 14, 2014 08:36PM)
[quote]
On Mar 14, 2014, JanForster wrote:
[quote]
On Mar 6, 2014, takeachance wrote:
Its interesting, and 15 years ago it would have been a little more ground breaking than today. Unfortunately I'd like to be more direct and quicker paced. For me, too much fishing and possible misses. There are better techniques available today (look at Peter Turner, Jerome Finley)more suitable for a reader than a parlor or stage performer. Even close up coffee shop I feel would be too vague. None the less, for the cost it was worth reading and studying to help in further education of that no prop mentalism goal if that is your cup of tea. I'll be sticking to something a little more sure fire like any form of an imp or peek.
[/quote]

This is in a sum quite my opinion. Jan
[/quote]



This was why I DIDN'T order it.


Ray
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Mar 15, 2014 02:09AM)
Was very pleased when this book arrived from France last week. While I've been using a similar technique, the book has many wonderful nuances, script elements, and other very nice points that I couldn't wait to attempt. I got my chance with this evening's performance, and it couldn't have been more dead-on. Every "step" happened to hit perfectly. While I don't expect this to always be the case, it was magnificent to put into action. Very, very happy with this purchase, and given this experience I would have happily paid twice as much.
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 15, 2014 11:18AM)
Doriancaudal,
What do you do here in this open forum? Maybe you receive a percentage on the sales... It is easy to refer to somebody as a troll but that said you expose techniques without cautions.
Real telepathy is a difficult technique for experts that require a lot a time to master it without 100% rate and not as you suggested an easy " magic trick"
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Mar 15, 2014 11:36AM)
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Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Mar 15, 2014 12:57PM)
For !@#$s sake if you haven't got anything to say about Real Telepathy, p*ss off and have your tiffs elsewhere.

Steve
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 15, 2014 04:18PM)
Stephen young,
You have to keep control of your nerves... If you take time to read my previous post you can see that I speak about this book... but for that you have to read through my post ;-)))))
Being polite is a quality, may I suggest some good books to learn polite behaviour?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 19, 2014 12:39PM)
A votre Sante!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 20, 2014 12:10AM)
Like! +1 and BRAVO!
James



[quote]
On Mar 15, 2014, Stephen Young wrote:
For !@#$s sake if you haven't got anything to say about Real Telepathy, p*ss off and have your tiffs elsewhere.

Steve
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Mar 25, 2014 01:51PM)
I appreciate the inner core ideas of this book but I have some doubts.
in performing I prefer a peek well done or a j.j c.tear .
this is just my thought.
in theory good , in practise ??......... :goodluck:
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 25, 2014 02:24PM)
[quote]
On Mar 25, 2014, markhitton wrote:
I appreciate the inner core ideas of this book but I have some doubts.
in performing I prefer a peek well done or a j.j c.tear .
this is just my thought.
in theory good , in practise ??......... :goodluck:
[/quote]

The peek or the CT is a "surefire" method, but you need to come in contact with the drawing... Which NOT bad at all, don't get me wrong. Well presented, an effect using one of those 2 methods can be a miracle.
But being able to reveal the drawing without EVER touching or seeing anything, or while being in another location, is even better, imho. This is the beauty of RT.
Message: Posted by: wanda&viktor (Mar 28, 2014 11:22AM)
This system is efficient if you have a good experience in mentalism and you can manage failure. If you are looking for something 100% succed forget this effect.
Message: Posted by: Luccky (Apr 28, 2014 09:01PM)
I own real telepathy in french and all I can say it´s a winner. Sure, it´s not 100% but who has said reading mind was easy ? :) As Peter Turner says, mentalist has to be bold if he wants to perform miracles. And I performed a couple of miracles with this method ! If you want a 100% hit you can combine it with a p*** and get a surefire miracle.
Message: Posted by: Richtofen (Apr 29, 2014 05:57AM)
Combine with a P***k is totally stupid...
Peter Turner is becoming the only one references for newcomer! Shame!
Message: Posted by: Gourmet (Sep 14, 2014 09:05AM)
Well, I bought this recently because of Connor Jacob's recommendation and I'm so glad that I did.
This is an amazing piece!

I was on the fence of getting this but after a chat I had about the pros and cons about this routine I took the plunge.

Granted, this isn't probably something you would do on the fly for your magic club buddies but with the right frame around it and giving it the respect that it needs, this is hard to top because it appears as the real deal.

I imagine it playing beautifully in combination with one of the routines in Ian Rowland's most recent publication.

Maybe it's one of these you either love or hate it pieces. I love it :)
Message: Posted by: Seethings (Feb 27, 2015 08:26AM)
It is a great effect and booklet. You can combine this with other ideas out there like those you can find in Banachek's Psychological Subtlties (1 and 3) and in Ian Rowland's new lecture notes.
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Mar 13, 2015 04:50PM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2015, Seethings wrote:
It is a great effect and booklet. You can combine this with other ideas out there like those you can find in Banachek's Psychological Subtlties (1 and 3) and in Ian Rowland's new lecture notes. [/quote]

Yes I quote all of what seethings said:
Message: Posted by: Moonstone76 (Jan 25, 2016 12:42PM)
Anyone knows how to contact Patrick Froment?