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Topic: Bummed by Kate Bush
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 24, 2014 08:26PM)
If you have never heard of Kate Bush, you can stop reading this topic, it will not be for you.
If you know who Kate Bush is, and you don't care for her, this topic is not for you. I have no interest in starting an insult war.

Kate Bush' last concert was in 1979. She is doing 15 shows starting at the end of August and going into September of this year. Sadly she will not be leaving her home country of England. All her shows are in London.

I have loved Kate Bush since 1982. I have ALL her albums; including a couple that I probably shouldn't of demo tapes and unreleased tracks.

Can I afford to fly to London? No.
Can I take time off at what is sadly the very beginning of my school year? No.
Do I even have a current passport? No.
Will Kate come to America? Unbelievably doubtful.
Will I ever get to see Kate Bush live? Probably not.

I am sad.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 24, 2014 08:37PM)
But luckily she didn't actually bum you, which is a good thing, believe me.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 24, 2014 08:59PM)
I am confused - how can a grown man not have a passport?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 24, 2014 09:10PM)
Tony, I am of the opinion from your web-site that you are from the U.K? In this country a passport is far less important than on your side of the pond. Here a good valid driver's license with a photo on it covers just about all identification needs. This includes check writing, credit card use, and being questioned by local police.

BTW: I am looking forward to reading your book
Message: Posted by: Payne (Mar 24, 2014 09:27PM)
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On Mar 24, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Tony, I am of the opinion from your web-site that you are from the U.K? In this country a passport is far less important than on your side of the pond. Here a good valid driver's license with a photo on it covers just about all identification needs. This includes check writing, credit card use, and being questioned by local police.

BTW: I am looking forward to reading your book
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Not to mention that most American's have never been abroad. Less than a third of my Countrmaen own a passport. Most of those are used to travel to Mexico or Canada.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 25, 2014 05:56AM)
To be fair, the USA is such a big and beautiful country, you could spend several lifetimes exploring it.

I am truly sympathetic, by the way, although I'm not a huge Kate Bush fan; I understand the feeling.

What amused me was that where Kate Bush and I live, being "bummed" by someone means something rather rude... (And in Kate's case would probably involve strapping something on...) :eek:
Message: Posted by: sammagic (Mar 25, 2014 06:50AM)
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What amused me was that where Kate Bush and I live, being "bummed" by someone means something rather rude... (And in Kate's case would probably involve strapping something on...) :eek:
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Got to love it when someone uses a word that is a slang term for something else in another country!!
Message: Posted by: Ray Tupper. (Mar 25, 2014 07:50AM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
But luckily she didn't actually bum you, which is a good thing, believe me.
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A line taken directly from "Wow" by Kate Bush.....
"He's too busy hitting the Vaseline"..
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 25, 2014 07:55AM)
Hahaha :D
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 25, 2014 08:37AM)
She never toned down her Britishness to universalize her appeal. Etc or so it says.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/08/16/139579900/another-american-looks-at-why-americans-dont-care-for-kate-bush
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 25, 2014 09:16AM)
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On Mar 24, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Tony, I am of the opinion from your web-site that you are from the U.K? In this country a passport is far less important than on your side of the pond. Here a good valid driver's license with a photo on it covers just about all identification needs. This includes check writing, credit card use, and being questioned by local police.

BTW: I am looking forward to reading your book
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Thanks - hope you enjoy it.

We use drivers licences for the same purposes over here (Ireland, not UK, but same sort of place). And I know the USA has a huge amount to explore, and would take several lifetimes to do so. But to not even own a passport denies you even the possibility of getting out, even if it is only across the border to Canada or Mexico. The reality is I don't travel as much as I want to, but the passport is always there, always ready for the next stamp. The mindset here is that the world is our playground. The mindset in America seems so different. Sometimes it surprises us.

Who knows - maybe Kate Bush has an American gene in her makeup, and doesn't have a passport either. That might be why she won't travel!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 25, 2014 09:39AM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, Ray Tupper. wrote:
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On Mar 25, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
But luckily she didn't actually bum you, which is a good thing, believe me.
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A line taken directly from "Wow" by Kate Bush.....
"He's too busy hitting the Vaseline"..
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Yes Ray, If you have seen the video for "Wow" she does pat her butt at that line.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2014 01:01PM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote:
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On Mar 24, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Tony, I am of the opinion from your web-site that you are from the U.K? In this country a passport is far less important than on your side of the pond. Here a good valid driver's license with a photo on it covers just about all identification needs. This includes check writing, credit card use, and being questioned by local police.

BTW: I am looking forward to reading your book
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Thanks - hope you enjoy it.

We use drivers licences for the same purposes over here (Ireland, not UK, but same sort of place). And I know the USA has a huge amount to explore, and would take several lifetimes to do so. But to not even own a passport denies you even the possibility of getting out, even if it is only across the border to Canada or Mexico. The reality is I don't travel as much as I want to, but the passport is always there, always ready for the next stamp. The mindset here is that the world is our playground. The mindset in America seems so different. Sometimes it surprises us.

Who knows - maybe Kate Bush has an American gene in her makeup, and doesn't have a passport either. That might be why she won't travel!
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The "mindset in America"? Wow how incredibly offensive. 310 million people have one mindset?

Maybe you need to meet more people. It speaks only to the limited number of people you have apparently met from America.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 25, 2014 01:14PM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
The "mindset in America"? Wow how incredibly offensive. 310 million people have one mindset?

Maybe you need to meet more people. It speaks only to the limited number of people you have apparently met from America.
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I am sorry, Danny. That is not what I meant at all. I was just responding to the fact someone quoted that only one in three American's own a passport. That statistic staggers me.

I have met plenty of Americans, and have formed a high opinion of the race on that basis. But the Americans I meet are the ones who travel. The fact that two thirds of the nation don't own a passport does seem to indicate a mindset that America is all you need, and you don't need to go beyond the borders. In Europe we see things differently. I don't believe I know anyone who does not possess a passport.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2014 01:27PM)
A passport is far different. You can travel and see many cultures without even leaving New York City, or Chicago or Miami. Spain itself is the size of California. You are comparing apples to hand grenades. You seem to suffer from the very thing you seem to think Americans have. Short sight.
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Mar 25, 2014 01:46PM)
We may not have have many passports...

But at least we have dentists!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2014 02:07PM)
Ouch.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 25, 2014 02:11PM)
Most people have a passports in England because because the of crap weather here. They like to escape to warmer climes now and again, to places like California for example. A lot of the old folk go abroad for the winter as it is cheaper than staying home and paying the exorbitant fuel bills here. Spain in the winter is full of of our old folk as their winter is not far off our summer. Least in the USA you can travel to warmer places within it but here you can not escape the bad weather unless you have a passport. The most popular holiday places are places with sunshine. About 30% don't passports here because they they can't afford one.

You can't get in a casino without passport or open a bank account here now. A lot people get a passport just for ID reasons.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 25, 2014 02:34PM)
Right, now we Americans are all clear on the British passport situation....

So, anyone want to talk about Kate Bush and her upcoming concert that I won't be seeing?
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Mar 25, 2014 02:41PM)
It seems not.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Mar 25, 2014 02:48PM)
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On Mar 24, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote:
I am confused - how can a grown man not have a passport?
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I've never had one. Plan on getting one soon, but have never needed one so far.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 25, 2014 04:05PM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Right, now we Americans are all clear on the British passport situation....

So, anyone want to talk about Kate Bush and her upcoming concert that I won't be seeing?
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Hey Cliff,

Only this morning I was talking to a friend here in London who is [b]desperate[/b] for a ticket, and not at all confident about getting one. We came up with a few contacts but it will not be easy. Even for people who live here, these tickets will be very hard to come by and there will be many, many disappointed fans.

I told her about your dilemma and she was truly understanding. Also, she giggled quite a lot at the concept of getting bummed by Kate Bush. We are a nation with a puerile sense of humour. What can I say?
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Mar 25, 2014 04:31PM)
I'd love to see her also but won't, but luckily these days we can be assured there will be a DVD.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 25, 2014 05:08PM)
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On Mar 25, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
You can travel and see many cultures without even leaving New York City, or Chicago or Miami.
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True. And true of Dublin, London, Madrid, Rome, or any other European city too. In fact my home town of Ennis (population 25,000) had a thriving Cuban community, a huge Brazilian community, a healthy Nigerian, Russian, and Polish community. We had restaurants of a dozen ethnicity, and could get strange and exotic ingredients from around the world. You could hear ten different languages being spoken as you walked the streets.

We still like to travel.

Danny, you seem to be making the mistake of thinking the USA is a big place. Europe has twice your population, and is still small. You make your living in the resorts of Mexico. I thought you might see the value of a passport.

As for Kate Bush, I knew a very good Kate Bush tribute act. Fantastic voice. We might send her over to the States if the real version won't tour.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 25, 2014 08:02PM)
Actually I thought she was Irish from her looks and her name. All the girls I have known name Kate have been Irish.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2014 08:57PM)
Apples to hand grenades. Compare ONE country with the entire EU.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 25, 2014 09:46PM)
There are an estimated 25,000 Travellers in Ireland.

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anth3635/images/Travelers4.jpg
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 26, 2014 06:49AM)
Danny, you are not a stupid man, so I assume you are deliberately missing the point. If two thirds of the population of a wealthy country decide they will never leave that country, even for a brief vacation, that indicates a mindset that is distinctly different from countries where we do chose to travel abroad.

And comparing the US to the EU is not such a stretch. You are made up of fifty states with a high degree of autonomy and self-governance, but with a federal government on top calling a lot of the shots. We are made up of 25 countries with a high degree of independence, but with a common currency and a central administration calling a lot of the shots. I can't think of any place more similar to you.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 26, 2014 09:35AM)
Tony, what is the name of the Kate Bush tribute band you speak of? Are they on You Tube at all? I would check them out.

Maybe a thread could be opened to discuss the value of world travel? In my youth I was blessed with enough coin to travel a bit , and got to experience other cultures, food, architecture, etc. I wasn't rich, I stayed in some very low level places, but as a young fellow that was no problem. I do recommend traveling for those who can.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Mar 26, 2014 10:14AM)
The USA is large not only in population, but in area, making the logistics of international travel different than they are in Europe.
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Mar 26, 2014 12:04PM)
Our ancestors left just about every place in the world to come here and people are still doing it today.

They can't be all wrong.

Europe-- Men in speedos, Women with hairy armpits, Lack of dentistry, Sparse use of deodorant... umm why do I want to go there? The moldy old buildings?


:rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 26, 2014 08:34PM)
Erm, yeah. Haven't travelled much, eh?
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 26, 2014 09:24PM)
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On Mar 24, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:

Kate Bush' last concert was in 1979. She is doing 15 shows starting at the end of August and going into September of this year. Sadly she will not be leaving her home country of England. All her shows are in London.
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Seven more shows announced:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26758964
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 26, 2014 09:52PM)
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On Mar 26, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Tony, what is the name of the Kate Bush tribute band you speak of? Are they on You Tube at all? I would check them out.
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It is a few years since I worked with her, but I will try to dig out some info.
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Mar 28, 2014 07:49AM)
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On Mar 26, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
Erm, yeah. Haven't travelled much, eh?
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Erm, yeah, Haven't a sense of humor much, eh?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 28, 2014 08:49AM)
Not at that moment in time... Bad day. ;)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Mar 28, 2014 09:42AM)
[youtube]0QeyRIyBJy4[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 12:55PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
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On Mar 26, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
Erm, yeah. Haven't travelled much, eh?
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Erm, yeah, Haven't a sense of humor much, eh?
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UNREAL how many on an alleged performance site suffer from this isn't it?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 28, 2014 02:49PM)
I have always loved that video, Kate's impish sense of humor seldom comes through in her music, but this one shows it off well.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 28, 2014 03:00PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
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On Mar 28, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
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On Mar 26, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
Erm, yeah. Haven't travelled much, eh?
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Erm, yeah, Haven't a sense of humor much, eh?
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UNREAL how many on an alleged performance site suffer from this isn't it?
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Hey, I was having a bad day, Danny, it happens to the best of us... Sorry to all. I grovel on bended knee m'lord. :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 06:01PM)
Not you dude. I have always appreciated your sense of humor to be candid.

I was speaking about how this forum has become a perpetual measuring contest.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 28, 2014 06:45PM)
Are we talking imperial measurements? Metric? Or some archaic system? For example, the speed limit on the freeway where I live is 174,720 furlongs per fortnight.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 28, 2014 07:06PM)
Bummed by Kate Bush or George Bush, the way I see it is, when you are looking down barrel of a gun, what's the difference.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 28, 2014 07:36PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
Not you dude. I have always appreciated your sense of humor to be candid.

I was speaking about how this forum has become a perpetual measuring contest.
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Thank goodness! Yes, I know what your mean...
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 28, 2014 07:37PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, tommy wrote:
Bummed by Kate Bush or George Bush, the way I see it is, when you are looking down barrel of a gun, what's the difference.
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Very true. And very tommyesque. I salute thee, tommy, genuinely.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Mar 29, 2014 04:32AM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
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On Mar 26, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
Erm, yeah. Haven't travelled much, eh?
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Erm, yeah, Haven't a sense of humor much, eh?
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A person could have a fine sense of humor and just not find what you wrote funny!
Another person could have just as fine a sense of humor and find it hilarious.

Some tastes run towards the Marx Bros. :rotf: and other tastes run towards the Stooges. :rotf:
(Some even like the Ritz Bros., but I can't understand them at all!) :hmm:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 29, 2014 11:25AM)
Tony one more question. I have no idea. How far CAN you physically go prior to needing a passport in Europe?

In America you can drive in a straight line for thousands of miles prior to even needing a passport.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 29, 2014 12:26PM)
From John O'Groats to Land's End is about a 1000 miles.
Message: Posted by: James FX (Mar 31, 2014 11:26AM)
Cliff I hope you get to see Kate in concert. I had a video of her at the live at the Hammersmith Odeon and it was a great show. I've always been a huge fan of her music, perfectly dark and alluring, all of it. We can only hope that it does make it's way onto DVD.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Apr 2, 2014 05:49AM)
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On Mar 29, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
In America you can drive in a straight line for thousands of miles prior to even needing a passport.
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Wow. That sounds truly fascinating.

Top of my 'must do before I die' list is undoubtedly to now drive for thousands of miles............in a straight line. :napping: