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Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 28, 2014 04:10AM)
I am taking part in an interesting show in a few weeks time. There will be two hypnotists on stage together. I have a lot of experience on stage, the other guy a lot less so. But he is confident, and has way more experience than me on the clinical side.

Have any of you worked double shows like this? What are the problems? The advantages (if any!)?

All help and suggestions appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Lewis (Mar 28, 2014 08:26AM)
The only thing to remember is to not get into a contest with the other hypnotist. Things escalate quickly when you compete and sometimes that is a bad thing. I suggest working everything out with the other hypnotist before hand. who does what where and when.

Jesse
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 11:12AM)
I have seen this idea before, and unfortunately it has always fallen flat. It is a bigger deal for the hypnotists than for the audience. Good luck with it Tony.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Mar 28, 2014 11:29AM)
I personally can't think of a worse idea at least for me. a) you have split your fee b) as Danny has said the show isn't about the hypnotist its about the audience. I would hate to have someone stage who has a lot of clinical experience but little stage because chances are he will be boring as hell. Plus you just don't need it! Why? Why?Knowing how Tony's contranrian mind works he will now probably have four on stage now! :-)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 12:40PM)
Without attacking anyone I fail to see the need for it theatrically. As was said it is about the audience. The hypnotist is mostly in the way anyhow. Having another would not help the show in my mind.

That is just one opinion. I am sure there are other opinions, and all are valid.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 28, 2014 01:23PM)
MP, you know me too well!

Danny, I acknowledge that you are most likely right. The guy is a nice guy, a friend, and wants experience - and is a better promoter than me. I will make it work, but I know one on the stage is the ideal. Accepting that this is the situation, I was hoping someone might have encountered the situation and have some insight. It will not be a battle of the hypnotists, more a cooperative show.

Part of the attraction (aside from the wonderful promotion he has done) is that I love being outside my comfort zone. And I will be...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 01:40PM)
The question is if the audience enjoys seeing you outside that comfort zone.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Mar 28, 2014 01:43PM)
The only purpose of being outside your comfort zone is to expand into a place you want to be and is useful. If he wants experience then he should put on a show and do it himself that's the only way to get real experience.

Its not like your jumping out of a plane strapped to each other....or is it? But I'm sure it will be the start of a beautiful relationship :-)
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 28, 2014 05:17PM)
Guys, if the promotion goes as planned I will need an extra trousers for all the cash on the night.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 28, 2014 05:29PM)
I have seen this several times here in Vegas and even from several former members here, and personally I never found it interesting, appealing or entertaining. I even heard remarks from the audience during and after the shows to the same thought.

To me this has always been one of those things that hypnotists thinks is better than it is and sounds better on paper than it plays in reality.

More doesn't necessarily equal better or more entertaining.

My question is why? What is the interest or reason (other than from the hypnotists perspective. Performing is supposed to be for and about the audience and/or the client, not the performers.

Maybe things are different over there, and I hope you'll need bigger pockets, but I would be surprised if it goes that way. Keep us posted.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 28, 2014 06:47PM)
Mindpro, once again I find myself agreeing with you. What is wrong?

I do feel that I could do a better show solo. There is no doubt about that. But as I was asked to take part, and as the other guy seems to know his stuff in terms of promotion, I decided to give it a try. The bottom line is that if the show begins to go wrong, I can bring it back. But I hope I will learn something from the evening, and I hope I make a good fee.

Accepting that this is not an ideal stage situation, did anything work in the shows you saw Mindpro? Or was it all negative?
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Mar 28, 2014 07:04PM)
It would be easier waiting outside and mugging him.....
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 28, 2014 08:46PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, mindpunisher wrote:
It would be easier waiting outside and mugging him.....
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He boxed at world class level. I boxed at village hall level. I think I will stick to my plan.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2014 08:58PM)
In America we don't mug by boxing. Yet another difference.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 28, 2014 09:44PM)
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On Mar 28, 2014, TonyB2009 wrote:

Accepting that this is not an ideal stage situation, did anything work in the shows you saw Mindpro? Or was it all negative?
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I've seen them both live as well as on DVD, and in my opinion it was flat in all situations. First there was little chemistry or true planning, rehearsal or true coordination between performers. It seemed like one did their thing, and the other did their thing, and then the two of them TRIED to do something together which was of no consequence. Much like a "jam" or open mic night where it's very unstructured and casual.

It was all very loose and free-formed feeling, rather than a structured, well planned, rehearsed and polished coordinated effort. Here's the main thing...As a performer there are many dynamics at play all at one, which together create a successful performance. On a most basic level, a performance is introduced, begins and gains momentum as it progresses. A good performance should be a journey for the audience from point A to point B. In many ways this is soooo easy to do for a stage hypnotist just by the nature of our process - a brief introduction, maybe audience testing, selection of volunteers, induction, deepening, basic group routines, more feature or showcase routines, the big climax and perhaps post-hypnotic suggestions, bring them back "out" of "hypnosis" and dismissal of volunteers. Just by that progression the foundation is there to gain momentum and create the journey for the audience. In the multiple performer shows I've seen this momentum is A.) broken with the switching of performers, and/or B.) never established.

It's not like standup comedy where there is an emcee or first comic who is okay to decent, a feature who offers a solid 20-30 minutes, and then followed by a headliner that kills for 45-60 minutes. There seems to be no flow between performers, no momentum, no overall show dynamic. It's not like you can have a suckie hypnotist, a decent hypnotist and then a great hypnotist, it doesn't work. It just plays flat to the audience.

Also, I truly believe it is extremely confusing to the on stage volunteers participating - different voices, different command structure, different styles, different acceptance. I've just yet to see it work well.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Mar 29, 2014 05:29AM)
The other thing is a show normally develops in that the hypnotist if he/she is any good will focus in and see things in the volunteers that can be exploited or expanded upon. When you have two people that will get screwed up and sketches things that happen off the cuff will never be allowed to grow to the extent that makes a really funny and unique show.

Right now I am working with another consultant with a few business people. Its screwing things up for the same reason above. I would be much more effective on my own but found myself in a similar situation to you Tony. he opened a door which he couldn't take advantage of I was able to now he trying to ride my coat tails and is messing it up. I won't be doing again though.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Mar 29, 2014 01:45PM)
Thanks guys. I am beginning to feel nervous now!
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Mar 29, 2014 02:05PM)
Stage fright mp3s below lol.....You'll get by so long as you get paid. If there is a good turn out learn from the other guys promotion.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 6, 2014 04:19PM)
The show was last night. It was great fun, and the audience loved it. But the promotion was a failure - we drew a small crowd.

For those contemplating this sort of madness, here is how it went down. We had a bit of banter at the start, which worked out better than I might have imagined. We used a lot of my own lines, and the audience lapped it up. A simple hand lock on the audience, then we called for volunteers. We got ten, after a bit of a struggle.

As the other guy had organised and promoted the show, and as he needed the experience, I let him handle the induction. It took him around eight minutes, which was far too long. It was a country audience and he held them, but I had words about that afterwards. He got four very good subjects out of the ten. I would have expected to have completed the induction in three minutes or so, and got seven or eight, but the four were great.

The skits went very well, but at one point he ran out of ideas (no surprise - his first show) and I handled the last twenty minutes, bringing the show to a good climax.

It was good to step out of the comfort zone, even if it did not line my pocket the way I hoped. However we got booked for a major festival in September, a corporate Christmas party (the CEO was one of our four), and an inquiry for a charity event next month. So not all that bad. Thanks for the input everyone.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Apr 8, 2014 05:32PM)
Great to hear it went well and you got a couple of bookings? Are you doing them together?
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 8, 2014 06:10PM)
Yes - the double act will roll on for a while. The guy has good contacts and seems to be able to generate interest in ways I am not. One festival has already confirmed, and at a very good fee. So I will stick in there.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Apr 9, 2014 08:31AM)
Nice one! or should I say two?
Message: Posted by: Spinnato (Apr 18, 2014 08:22PM)
Dueling hypnotist makes the show about them and not the volunteers. Not a fan. Just my humble opinion.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 19, 2014 08:03PM)
It wasn't a dueling hypnotist show. The other guy doesn't have the experience for that, and I am not sure I like the concept. More a co-operative show. A few festivals have booked it already, and a big pub. So commercially it might be a runner.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 20, 2014 08:16PM)
First time out not as big a crowd as hoped.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 21, 2014 05:43PM)
Way down on what we hoped, Danny. But the next few gigs are for fees, so no worries there.

Ireland has gone to the dogs. Major bands are drawing a dozen people. The Abbey Theater (our national theater company) plays to single figures, and for the first time ever I got a crowd of one at a show last year. Times are tough here.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 22, 2014 12:55AM)
Again explain to me why splitting a fee in such an environment is a good thing?
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 22, 2014 12:50PM)
Danny, the guy has contacts within certain circles. I am splitting fees I would not otherwise get. My regular show is solo - no splitting the fees there. That is how it makes sense.