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Topic: The Mind Reader Wallet looking for review
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Jan 8, 2004 09:01PM)
I am looking for reviews of the mind reader wallet....I am thinking about this if it can be used as a daily wallet... here is a link for it...

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=689#

Thanks,
TPD
Message: Posted by: sludge (Jan 9, 2004 06:04AM)
Try a search or browse...
Message: Posted by: SeanJohn (Jan 9, 2004 10:10AM)
Here's some info I found:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=47420&forum=113

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=45206&forum=109&post=3479470

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=45206&forum=109&post=3471984
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Jan 9, 2004 11:34AM)
Hello TPD,
After checking out all the posts on the wallet, I'm sure you will agree that the best is: The "Mindreader Wallet" by Magic Makers.
Gerry
Thoughts Have Wings :cuteangel:
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Jan 9, 2004 12:00PM)
Well guys,
Thank you...I tried doing a search but I guess I did wrong or something..LOL I new what the method was but just wasn't sure about the quality. I didn't care for the quality of TT so I went ahead and ordered it last night...I will let you guys know what I think once I get it...

TPDMAGIC
Message: Posted by: ellisd (Feb 6, 2004 09:00PM)
I just got it recently and am not happy with the dimness of the light at all. Does anyone know if the tt has a brighter light?
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 6, 2004 10:40PM)
Hi ellisd,
Are you able to see what's inscribed? If you can then it's working fine.
I also owned the TT and got rid of it! The light flashes around the edges of the wallet...a total give-away! It's also made in plastic! The "MIndreader Wallet' is made in leather!
If I were you I would contact Magic Makers and explain
the problem. I'm sure if it's defective they will replace it for you. They really back-up their products.
Hope this helps!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Feb 7, 2004 12:09AM)
Check out Kenton Kneppers kolossal killer for a good wallet effect :D
Message: Posted by: benrl (Feb 7, 2004 09:56AM)
Ellisd,
You may have received a wallet that's been on the dealer shelf too long and lost its ooomph.

Same advice... call Magic Makers, they have terrific customer support.
Message: Posted by: Ron Crumley (Feb 9, 2004 03:07PM)
The advantage of The Minder Reader Wallet that I've found is it's "readable" enough, but not so much that it gives itself away.

As others have said; the leather wallet itself is nicely made, plus it comes with two "units".
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 10, 2004 03:14PM)
TT is better and brighter. The Mind Reader gimmicks on average, are much dimmer than the ones suppplied with the Thought Transmitter and the leather looks fake and cheap. However I like that it comes with an extra gimmick.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 10, 2004 03:41PM)
Giochi,
Do yourself a favor like I did before performing with the TT. Stand in front of a mirror and press the gimmick. You will see a light around the edges of the wallet. You would not want that to happen to you during a performance.
A friendly advice.
Regards,
Gerard
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 10, 2004 06:01PM)
Gerry-you are absolutely right about the light that shines out the sides of the TT!!!!!
But guess what,the same happens with the magic makers product!!!
I have performed using both of these devices, tt has been more reliable in performance.
Message: Posted by: shufflemup (Feb 10, 2004 07:15PM)
The instructions that came with the thought transmitter cover the "leak" on the sides of the wallet. Simply make sure the sides of the wallet are covered when you get the information. This is easy to do when you transfer the wallet fom the left hand to the right hand.
If you are working in a dimley lit room, try a reddish post it note.
Hope this helps.

John
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 10, 2004 10:45PM)
How can you say the mind reader wallet is an improvement????
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 11, 2004 02:29AM)
I handle dozens of the rip-offs at the magic store where I work, and can tell you that it is no way as bright as the Thought Transmitter. Providing an extra battery pack with the unit makes it very easy for them to say “we are sorry that you think the light is not too bright, BUT we give you an extra battery.”

Regarding the light that comes out from the BRIGHTER LIGHT in the Thought Transmitter. I use it all the time and have never had anyone notice any light showing. But then most experienced magician could use a RED thumb Tip without having anyone see it during a routine.



Bob
Message: Posted by: JoJo41 (Feb 11, 2004 07:24AM)
More than many, I realize that we all have our little hypocrisies. (Some not so little perhaps.)
Many years ago I just made up my mind that I wasn't going to steal or knowingly underwrite anyone who does. I concede this has cost me a small fortune. (A few would attempt to comfort me with tales of how I am storing up showers of blessings in the Hereafter by being so circumspect, and I appreciate their sentiment. But I feel the PINCH in the old Here and Now!) While I am often surrounded by those who "burn" CDs and DVDs, I PAY for mine. And I have never knowingly copied a VHS tape (remember those?!) when that was the extent of the technology.
I know enough about certain dealers and certain manufacturers to know who is knocking off and who is selling the real deal.
As to living in the dark ages or driving a Model T or whatever, I just believe that for me and my house I owe the orginal manufacturer my allegiance. He is the one who invested his time and money into development and manufacture, and he is the one who came up with the idea in the first place. Same with the legitimate, authorized dealer who carries the product. Somewhere along the line in this age of KAZAA and NAPSTER we have whole generations coming up who don't think theft of intellectual property is theft. Well, live with it: it IS.
Yes, there are VERSIONS of certain generic effects: ZOMBIES are ZOMBIES; ASHERAHS are ASHERAHS; METAMORPHOSISES are METAMORPHOSISES. Naturally, each performer will add his or her own touches to the performance, or perhaps make some modification to the actual props.
But to come on and claim that something as blatantly copied as the MIND READER is an "improvement" or "modification" leaves me uncomfortable to say the least.
Now, I'm not the Thought Police, and I'm not anyone's daddy here, nor am I anyone's priest or minister, so don't get the idea that I'm trying to preach or tell you how to run your life. But, doggone it, we all know that the magic industry continues to suffer from those who apparently have no compunction whatever about stealing someone else's product.
Again, for me and my house, it just ain't right and I choose to spend my money elsewhere.
Message: Posted by: Chris Gold (Feb 11, 2004 10:21AM)
Gerard,

It should be clearly obvious to you now that others share my same opinion of rip-off artists.

After thinking about it, I also forgot to mention that in ALL of Magic Makers full page color adds it says, DEALER INQUIRIES ARE WELCOME. WE ARE WHOLSALE ONLY. Wholesale means they sell only to magic dealers, not to the general public.

It is also common practice that when a wholesaler advertises his products, and a retail customer contacts him, the wholesaler give references to shops that have purchased products from them. Yet you continue to post that you have purchased said items directly from them. Are you a magic shop? Or perhaps you work for Magic Makers?

I guess that Magic Makers not only likes to rip-off the orignators of the effects they copy, but they also rip-off any dealers that may have already purchased these products.

So, good for you Gerard! You must be really proud to support such a fine firm. So, bang that drum, and bang it loudly!
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 11, 2004 11:42AM)
JoJo41, giochi, and Chris Gold:

It is worth noting, that Tower Records is going into bankruptcy this week.
Bob
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 11, 2004 01:06PM)
Chris,
For the record! You better put some glasses on! I have never stated I purchase items from Magic Makers!

Wellington, here is another one for you to ponder!
Besides the pen which was covered! The supposedly rip-off by Magic Makers, of the brass "Nest of Boxes" by Viking! ("Spellbinding boxes" Magic Makers)
*BELIEVE IT OR NOT*!!! TENYO came out with a plastic version of it in the 70's!!!
By making these untrue statements, you are actually insulting yourself and the companies that YOU SUPPORT!
without valid facts! Who knows! maybe all these products originated somewhere else besides where we think they originated from.
For the record I praise "Viking" and other well known companies! I own many expensive "Viking" effects! They make beautiful products!
It's quite drole, that some of you, are still continuing your insults.....instead of praising all companies on their good products!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 11, 2004 04:57PM)
I try to go with the original, but I prefer the best for my money. And I am sure many do. Enough said!
Message: Posted by: JoJo41 (Feb 11, 2004 05:05PM)
Gerard-

I have just looked over this thread again and the essence of your, well, lament, appears to be, as I understand it, that you have dealt with MAGIC MAKERS, and that you even had a problem with an item and that MAGIC MAKERS personally serviced you in the resolution to that problem.
The question "Are you a dealer" logically follows and didn't appear to be out of line. It wasn't an unreasonable inquiry at all. If MAGIC MAKERS is wholesale only and only deals with dealers, either they bent the rules just for you or you are a dealer.
Those things equal to the same things are equal to each other.
There appears to be at least, shall we say, an inconsistency in your account of what happened. And it is not exactly a secret that certain dealers do use "moles" to talk up their products.
I think it was a fair question right across the board, and I'm happy to ask it again: ARE you a dealer? If not, how were you able to deal directly with a firm that only services wholesale customers?
Is there a magician's PRICE CLUB out there I haven't heard about? I wouldn't mind paying wholesale for my magic!
And I must commend Wellington for saying more in a few words than I could ever say here with line after line: TOWER RECORDS and many other music outlets are goiing under because, again, intellectual theft is not viewed as actual THEFT by an entire generation nowadays: Why BUY your music when you can just steal it off the internet? (Oh, excuse me. They're not really STEALING it; they're BURNING it. Sure.)
Sooner or later, it's all going to come back around and bite us you-know-where.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 11, 2004 05:36PM)
JoJo41,
I'm one of the few customers that had slight problem with a certain item and "Magic Makers" took care of the problem! Just like a few others! They also have commented on their fantastic back-up policy! They are wholesalers that back-up their products!
No, I,m not a dealer! Just a buyer that's very happy with their products! Your avoiding the accusation though, that their ripping off "Viking" with their brass "Nest of Boxes".... I WONDER WHY???
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Chris Gold (Feb 11, 2004 06:10PM)
Gerard,

Let me enlighten you on a few Magic Makers items.

Candy Vanishing Trick -- Complete and total rip-off of Viking Life Savers Tube. Ask Gerorge, he bought and paid for the rights.

Golden Key -- Rip-off of Vikings Kinet-Key. Once again, ask George, he bought and paid for the rights.

Wandering Lipstick Tubes -- Rip-off of Vikings Tel-a-Tubes. Once again, ask George, he bought and paid for the rights.

Collectors Money Maker -- Rip-off of Delbins Money Blotter. However, I am sure that Magic Makers contacted Ben Stone's Widow to purchase the rights... yeah right!

There are many other products as well that could have been mentioned. By the way Gerard, please put you glasses on and re-read my posts. I never mentioned anything about the Nesting Brass Boxes.

I think the point has been made here with no factual rebutal or input by you. Continue as you are supporting these rippers of the industry. Eventually the pendualum will swing the other way.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 11, 2004 08:21PM)
Chris,
I would like to enligfhten you! You don't seem to get the point of this discussion! Maybe after your enlightened by the origins of "The Pen Through" and the brass "Nest of Boxes" you might get the point!

Like I said earlier....who knows where, magical effects, really originated from....maybe in China? by an unknown magician? LOL
Gerard
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 12, 2004 09:42AM)
Oh well I thought this was a free forum where evryone had the right to state his preferences.

And I had to go up to read the title of the thread three times to make sure. As far as I know, this thread is called:

"THE MIND READER WALLET looking for review"

I cannot understand how the topic has changed to TT etc... TDP has clearly stated he did not mind TT's quality and he wished a review of the Mind Reader.

So it isn't only Gerard who prefers the latter. (Oh perhaps they are also dealers.)
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 12, 2004 10:26AM)
I am sitting here with both wallets in my hands, Ive been USING the tt for over 10 months and t is much easier to read than the ripoff that is brand new out of the package. Another problem I have with the ripoff is the strange plastic window that just screams "HEy you can see through me!!".
Wellington hit the naill on the head with the wonderful post about Tower records!
And Gerry, I find it har to believe that you have no connection with magic makers---7777!
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 12, 2004 12:01PM)
Giochi,
You are continnuing to insult your intelligence by accusing also the COMPANIES that you support, and all the others, without any valid facts!
Let me make it very CLEAR for you!
"Tenyo" came out with a version of "Pen Through Anything", called "Wandering Hole" in the 70's...20 years before "J.C.'s Pen Through Anything"!
"Tenyo" also released a PLASTIC version of the brass "Nest Of Boxes" by Viking....also in the 70's!
I support all magic companies! I also consider "Viking" to be one of the best magic companies! I own many of their effects!
I'm very happy that improved versions of magical effects are being made by magic companies! This helps the magic community with improved quality products!

To conclude! I'm also quite happy to be driving a very improved model T FORD!

From.... one of the unheard of, magicians of China,
Gerard
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 12, 2004 01:28PM)
Please don't mention music companies and other companies outside the magic realm. I have just finished cleaning my PC from a lot of Spyware that was slowing it down. Do you understand what that means? PRIVACY THEFT. Who's stealing who??

And I cannot understand what Kazaa and Napster have got to do with all this. As far as I know Kazaa and Napster can be downloaded for free and all music etc... downloaded for free through them as well. As far as I know, Magic Makers are selling effects and not giving them for free. So the comparison is stupid really.
Message: Posted by: shufflemup (Feb 12, 2004 08:03PM)
I would like to enlighten you! You don't seem to get the point of this discussion! Maybe after your enlightened by the origins of "The Pen Through" and the brass "Nest of Boxes" you might get the point!



I hope this posts right, but here is my reply to someones post:


Just curiosly, why did Tenyo wait 30 years to put out a pen thru anything? The wandering Hole had nothing to do with a pen going thru a bill (This was a rumor started by someone who knocked off the pen through bill trick) I talked to JC and he said his inspiration had Nothing to do with the wandering hole trick.

Best,

John
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 12, 2004 08:26PM)
I guess Tenyo got the idea from J.C. like J.C. got the idea from Tenyo! and maybe who knows, an unknown magician in China got the idea from.........
Maybe someone will come out with a laser pen through steel! or pen through wallet!... which would be more fitting for this post!
This forum was created for us, to help one another! It's not a nit pickin arena!
See ya,
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 12, 2004 10:47PM)
Niva:
If I understand you correctly, you feel that a review of the rip-off should not include a comparison to the item it is copied from.

The revue should be:
“What a marvelous idea, I wallet that makes predictions. Gee, it even smells like real leather. What an inventive idea, just out of the fertile minds of this imaginative “wholesale” company.” Where do they get there ideas from?”
Now that is a useful revue.
Bob

MagicCarisio:

Your constant reference to “driving an improved version of the Model-T” is intriguing. You use this analogy in defense of one company copying the product of another. Yet the Model-T was a Ford product, and its improved version is also a Ford product. What in the world does Ford’s improving its own product have to do with one company stealing the product of another?

So, your Ford analogy to make your point about Magic Maker could be…I now drive a car called a Junker, put together by a guy down the street. It’s looks like the Ford I used to drive, and it’s a whole lot cheaper.

Bob
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 13, 2004 01:43AM)
First of all here in Malta we don not only have Ford cars. We also have Renault, Peugeot, Suzuki, Toyota, Ferrari, Skoda, Wolksvagen, FIAT, anf the list goes on and on and on... That's what Gerard was trying to say.

And Wellington, by this thread we are surely not helping the poster to decide on buying. He already stated he did not like the quality of TT. So we now have to discuss the quality of the Mind Reader as compared to TT rather than who ripped who and what is a rip off of what.

PS: What I meant by a good discussion is this: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=52657&forum=109&32

It's great to have a choice and not get stuck with the same thing when there are may magicians using it. There would be no discussions as to preferences.
Message: Posted by: Dan White (Feb 13, 2004 09:52AM)
I would honor the ford analogy put forth by Gerard if the Mindreader wallet was actually a different concept, an improvement in technology or even a revolutionary new look. However it undisputably is not. What it is is a poorly made ripoff that shows no innovation and like most of magic makers products was made solely to capitalize on the original ideas of other inventors(John Cornelius).
It truly is comparable to a fake pair of Gucci sunglasses that you can buy on the corner. don't buy em !
Gerard and your friend Niva, stop telling people how to state their opinions.
Message: Posted by: slydini62 (Feb 13, 2004 10:54AM)
Get the Predator Wallet....I believe it is sooo much better!
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 13, 2004 11:15AM)
How about "The Haunted Briefcase"??....Gee.e.e...Wrong post!! Sorry abutt that!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 13, 2004 03:21PM)
Does it fit in a pocket? :lol:

I am a friend to everyone here. And everyone is entitled to his opinion. It seems there are many who are enjoying "the inferior quality of the rip offs" that you mention, as is clear from other threads. Oh, perhaps these are stupid people who don't know what they are saying. I can't speak of TT or the Mind Reader because I have none. But those who have can.

I am out of here.

BTW, what happened to the smileys. Are they ever going to come back.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 13, 2004 03:45PM)
Lost my wings...as some horns were beginning to pop out!....Have to redirect my thoughts, to growing wings again!
Gerard

Looking back on this post...I would like to give a solution about the window being a dead give-away.
I insert my drivers license in the window!
When performing, it's placed on the table with the ID
showing through the window!...I remove my drivers licence or ID and turn my ID over, asking the spec to stare at a picture of an eye, magical symbol..an ank, pentagram, crystal ball, (your choice) that's glued on it.... while their thinking of a name, number... whatever.

The wallet is quite normal looking, as I've seen many, being sold in stores.
Hoping this will help.
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 14, 2004 09:49PM)
No one would sugjest that Magic Makers is not a good marketer. We even sell it in our shop because it costs the shop less than half of the wholsale cost of the Thought Transmitter. However, all the working magicians working in the shop use (and purchased) the Thought Transmitter.

The fact that many shops sell the rip-off has to do with the price and the extra battery.
Bob
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 15, 2004 11:19AM)
An IMPROVEMENT is not a rip-off!
A leather wallet without a light glowing around the edges of a PLASTIC wallet is certainly an IMPROVEMENT in my eyes!
The "Mindreader Wallet" is made of LEATHER
and the light does not show AROUND THE EDGES!
I should know!...perform the TT in front of a MIRROR!
Plus the fact...I would'nt go around with a PLASTIC wallet....Just not my style!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 16, 2004 06:44AM)
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Light leaking:
The little bit of light showing around the edges is a non-factor in deciding if you want to purchase the rip-off. If you have people on your sides when you use the “peek” they would also be in a position to SEE WHAT YOU SEE, daa. Incidentally, your mirror is hardly a good audience, you should get out more.

Plastic versus Leather:
The devices are not ment to look like wallets. They are ment to look like little plastic note pad holders, that is there only purpose in the real world. A magic gimmick is stronger if it looks like a real world item that would be carried in someone’s pocket. It is refered to as a “wallet” in a very generic sense only. You would be hard pressed to stick any mony into a note pad holder.

Bob
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 16, 2004 10:46AM)
It is a note pad holder! Can't you see?? Or would you like to challenge me on semantics??
You should get out more often and shop around for wallets with your glasses on! You will then realize the wallets that Magic Makers are using, are similar to the ones being sold in none magic stores! (note pad holders)
By the way, What are you doing with a PLASTIC, TT NOTEPAD HOLDER? I prefer using a LEATHER one! LOL
It seems to me your audience is to polite and embarrassed to inform you of the FLASHING LIGHT, when you perform in FRONT OF THEM!

It would be nice if you could learn the respect and manners that their showing!

CHAO!... I'm too busy doing a thesis on mankind!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Feb 16, 2004 11:30AM)
I'll chkme in as I have recently purchased the Mind reader wallet. In my opinion there are positives and negatives. I believe the leather adds a sense of class. All my other "wallets" are leather so it stands to reason I should have a leather note holder. The light leakage IS a factor. I have used the thought transmitter many years and the light detected (verbalized) by a spectator once about two years ago. That was when it went onto my shelf and I tried concealing the edges to no avail. If it is spotted once I wonder as was mentioned in a previous post, how many others have been too polite. The leather affords the coverage and concealment I require so I give it marks there.
A big neagative is the actual battery. Now this is going to seem odd because I just extolled the graces of the light leakage being taken care of. The light isn't as strong and sometimes it is difficult to see the writing. I fixed this with using the Thought transmitters screen inside my Mind reader wallet. It now works like a charm.

I think it is ok to bring out something similiar as long as there are obvious benefits from doing so for the consumer. People have been reworking Triumph from the beginning and no one said hey you shouldn't do that (well maybe they did). It isn't going to stop we as a community want to expand and improve our techniques and methoids (this includes props). I would give the Mind reader a satisfactory grade based on my use and what I need.
Jason
Message: Posted by: niva (Feb 16, 2004 11:38AM)
Hmmm! Jason I suggest you market another version then. Brighter light and leather finish. :lol:

I am glad you liked it.
Message: Posted by: Dan White (Feb 16, 2004 12:02PM)
Gerard!

wellington is absolutely correct- who carries money and credit cards in CHEAP looking two fold leather things. They aren't wallets.

There is no improvement-it is a copy just like a fake rolex you buy from a shady guy on the corner who likes to make money off of someone elses hard work.

And giochi is right in two ways -the light does shine out the sides in the Magic Makers ripoff and you mispelled ciao-or maybe that's an "improvement" to the Italian language.

good luck on your thesis-maybe you can include some research in there about why people steal.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 16, 2004 12:10PM)
ASO DESKA! Dome Arigato GOZAYAMASS!! Thank you velly much. I no see light! Tank sheen pull isumnika??
Merci beaucoup, for no help! LOL
Do you need some more BAIT??
AUREVOIRE!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Feb 16, 2004 06:51PM)
Very interesting, Jason. So now, if TT owners really want a leather look, all they really need is to seek out and find a leather wallet to their liking, and transplant the gaff as you did.

It would be a waste to have to also purchase the inferior gimmick that comes with the MRW. I like it, John Cornelius gets his money, and the customer ultimately gets the wallet he wants.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Feb 17, 2004 12:35AM)
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On 2004-02-16 12:30, Jason Wethington wrote:
I'll chkme in as I have recently purchased the Mind reader wallet. In my opinion there are positives and negatives. I believe the leather adds a sense of class. All my other "wallets" are leather so it stands to reason I should have a leather note holder. The light leakage IS a factor. I have used the thought transmitter many years and the light detected (verbalized) by a spectator once about two years ago. That was when it went onto my shelf and I tried concealing the edges to no avail. If it is spotted once I wonder as was mentioned in a previous post, how many others have been too polite. The leather affords the coverage and concealment I require so I give it marks there.
A big neagative is the actual battery. Now this is going to seem odd because I just extolled the graces of the light leakage being taken care of. The light isn't as strong and sometimes it is difficult to see the writing. I fixed this with using the Thought transmitters screen inside my Mind reader wallet. It now works like a charm.

I think it is ok to bring out something similiar as long as there are obvious benefits from doing so for the consumer. People have been reworking Triumph from the beginning and no one said hey you shouldn't do that (well maybe they did). It isn't going to stop we as a community want to expand and improve our techniques and methoids (this includes props). I would give the Mind reader a satisfactory grade based on my use and what I need.
Jason
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If you ever decide to go back to the Thought Transmitter, for the stronger light, and are still bothered by the one time you got burned, let me know.

There are two very logical work-abounds that many magicians use because it looks more convincing, even without the side light problem.
Bob
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Feb 17, 2004 03:31AM)
Curtis that is exactly what I would suggest to someone.


As for the rest of you guys, I don't know what to tell you. The act of copying has been going on in every industry since the beginning. Do you think it is a coincidence that Ford, Chevy and GM come out with similiar cars every year? Copying is part of life in business. Companies follow trends. Why should the growing industry of magic be any different? People want and deserve a variety of products to choose from. The open maretplace is one of the great things about our society. If anyone wants to have an intelligent discussion on this I'll be waiting.
Jason
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 17, 2004 10:40AM)
BOB, I appreciate your kindness SINCERELY. I was lucky!...I
performed in front of my wife and she burned me! Then I tested it out in front of a mirror! The mirror burned
me!...Oh! oh! just gave my identity away!
Just being humorous!

A comment was made earlier. Here is my answer: It's not in pigeon english!
"I agree totally...the TT is useless unless you adopt
Magic Makers Improvements!...by using a leather wallet
that prevents the light from shinning around the edges!"
Just remember to cut a window out so that you can SEE well with your COPY of the MRW!
Gerard

For the record! In another thread, a while back....I
mentioned that I own and use several of JC's products.
My favorite: "Instant Pro".

We all know...that some manufactured products are winners and some are not.
We also have different opinions.
Gerard
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (Feb 19, 2004 04:21PM)
If performed properly you will never get burned with the TT. The mindreader wallet is not as reliable. I have both and will stay with the TT. If used properly all it takes is a little misdirection like most magic anyway. To each his own.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 19, 2004 08:59PM)
You do have to look at the TT to get the info!...then all eyes will be on the TT while the edges are shinning! I personally don't want to risk getting burned!

I have no problems with the MRW! You do not press and hold for a few seconds! All it takes is one quick press and your done!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Feb 19, 2004 10:31PM)
Gerard,

Jason is not suggesting that we COPY the MRW, it's an "IMPROVEMENT".
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 20, 2004 10:30AM)
Curtis, I agree with you 100%.
We all prefer anything that's improved!
I love the improvement that Magic Makers came up with, by manufacturing the "Mindreader Wallet"

I also love the improvement of the Gillette "Mach 3"
razor! My wife told me, that it's also mentioned in all womens magazines, "that women should switch to the Mach 3 razer!"
Gerard
Message: Posted by: T (Feb 20, 2004 11:18AM)
Plain and simple the Mindreader wallet is inferior in its look and reliability. Carisio, making something cheaper in no way makes it an "improvement".

Get the original Thought Transmitter by John Cornelius!
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 20, 2004 12:10PM)
I believe leather is more expensive than plastic!
But of course that's my opinion!
Go in front of a mirror and press the gimmick of your TT..... a friendly advice!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Feb 20, 2004 01:54PM)
..and the suggested "Improvement" is not to buy the thing at all.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 20, 2004 04:09PM)
What can I say?....Keep on loving your TT flashing camera!
Some of us will support anything that's produced by someone we admire!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 20, 2004 04:33PM)
Look in the mirror Gerry- your ripoff shines through the sides too
thoughts have wings
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 20, 2004 04:51PM)
Your eyes, giochi! must still be blinded by your TT camera!
I personally do not want to take a picture of my audience!...It should be the other way around? No?

I see you love to use my signature! Thank you! It's a compliment.
Gerard
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Feb 24, 2004 12:49AM)
This is a really entertaining thread. All this yapping ain't gonna change a thing. Companies are out there to make money. Most consumer's want the best bang for their buck. Companies realize consumer loyalty is something of an idealic past. Therefore, they must create a distinct advantage over competitors to win new customers. Distinct advantages could be price, quality, customer service, innovation and technology,, and expertise. When companies compete to this extent for business, in my opinion, customers ultimately win as there exists a greater variety of products to choose from. And the reason a customer chooses company A's product over company B's product goes back to those distinct advantages mentioned earlier.

As far as ethics go? Well, that's the companies' choice. Some companies are driven to do business founded on principals, others do whatever it takes to make a buck. We as consumers also have a personal choice as to which company we do business with. So to each his own.

By the way, you can also find info and demo of the Thought Transmitter at: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=381

And a final thought. Why would a "mind reader" have someone record their thought on a piece of paper, place it in a wallet or notepad holder, and give the whole thing back to the magician to hold? As a spectator, that's not magic. It would seem that the wallet definitely had something to do with this "mind reading" trick.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Feb 24, 2004 12:06PM)
Hello itsmagic,
The origin of these wallets was covered thoroughly
in this thread! "Tenyo" originated it!... or was it originated by an unknown magician from China and ripped off by the COMPANIES were discussing!... LOL
These companies under discussion are quite ethical towards one another!

Let's get back to what this thread is about.
"Opinions as to which wallet is best"
My vote for the trophy goe's to: The "Mindreader Wallet" by Magic Makers!

I disagree! as to why, a spec has to write his thoughts on a notepad in a wallet. At the end of the effect... you show what was written to the audience as proof of your mindreading or premonition.
Gerard
Message: Posted by: niva (Mar 3, 2004 06:36AM)
Yes, the mentalist writes down the word as a proof that he is right. Otherwise something like this might happen:

Mentalist: I feel you are thinking of the word "dog". Right?
Spec: No. It was a Cat!!
Mentalist: No it wasn't.
Spec: Prove it! :)
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Mar 25, 2005 01:02AM)
Thanks to all of you.
I have both wallets in a drawer and you have motivated me to take them out and check out all that is in this thread.