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Topic: Top 3 Packet Tricks for Strolling
Message: Posted by: JeffreyMichael1127 (Apr 14, 2014 04:04PM)
Hey guys, I wanted to get your feedback on the top 3 packet effects for table hopping or strolling. I'll get the ball rolling...

1) NFW
2) B-Wave
3) Garrett Thomas' Stand Up Monte
Message: Posted by: Jmolomagic (Apr 14, 2014 04:21PM)
1. The Web
2. NFW
3. Garret Thomas Stand Up Monte
Message: Posted by: jdstewart (Apr 14, 2014 05:20PM)
1. Color Monte
2. Bwave
3. NFW
Message: Posted by: Chamberlain (Apr 14, 2014 05:45PM)
1 Corner of Piccadilly (Gordon)
2 Spin Doctor (Bannon)
3 Stickmen 4 (Sanders)
Message: Posted by: mixman (Apr 14, 2014 05:49PM)
Poker test.
Color Monte or Stand up Monte
Emerson & West's "Flipped out" Have been using it for 35 years and just can't top it. I make up my own cards
since it is no longer commercially available.
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Apr 14, 2014 05:52PM)
Double Back -Jon Allen
Stand up Monte -Garrett Thomas
Twisted Sisters -John Bannon
:-)
Message: Posted by: Daz Buckley (Apr 14, 2014 06:26PM)
Three card Monte
Twisted Sisters
Entourage

And Card Warp if it can be considered a poacket trick.
Message: Posted by: robvh (Apr 14, 2014 10:22PM)
Nick Trost's Razzle Dazzle
8 Card Brainwave
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 15, 2014 01:02AM)
BWAVE
TWISTING THE ACES
DOUBLE BACK

:nuggetred:
Message: Posted by: Quentin (Apr 15, 2014 11:43AM)
Oliver McKenzie's 'My Drink Trick'
John Cornelius' 'Marked'
Tommy Wonder's 'Tamed Card'
Message: Posted by: puggo (Apr 15, 2014 02:40PM)
Sanders 'Stickmen 4'
3CM/pack flat monte etc
Kickback kicker or similar
Message: Posted by: Tim Friday (Apr 15, 2014 02:48PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Quentin wrote:
Oliver McKenzie's 'My Drink Trick'
John Cornelius' 'Marked'
Tommy Wonder's 'Tamed Card' [/quote]

Do you find McKenzie's "Drink Trick" to be a real world worker? I really like the trick, but it seems like there are A LOT of cards that are only supposed to appear as a few cards. Will you please share your experience?...
Message: Posted by: Quentin (Apr 15, 2014 03:46PM)
Both Ken Brooke and Paul Daniels have said Mackenzie's Dink Trick is the best packet card trick.
One magician's wife saw me do it twice and said it was the best card trick she had ever seen.

Handling is vital. It is a trick for people to look down on. What gets them is the appearance of the drink cards - the last five changes. Pace and rhythm are important. I would only ever do it with people standing around looking down at it. And I have no doubt that people suspect there are more than four cards but there are so many changes and a reasonably interesting story that they get swept along with the performance. And if, at the end, you cop the bottom five cards when you go looking for the wallet, just hand someone the four remaining cards, you will surprise them some more.

It is based upon a trick of George Sands that was published in Hugard's Magic Monthly in 1946.

Oddly enough, two of the tricks I listed, Marked, and the Drink Trick start off like Twisting the Aces, a trick I detest., even if it is on Pete's list.
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Apr 15, 2014 05:58PM)
I see the common thread is Stand Up Monte.
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Apr 15, 2014 08:47PM)
Yes, Stand up Monte is solid. I actually got to
See Garrett Thomas do it in person last weekend
at the Portland Magic Jam and
He showed me a different ending
that looked great but I wasn't able to learn
The moves because there wasn't time.
I have to remember to contact him about the new
Ending moves:-)
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Apr 15, 2014 09:16PM)
My Stand Up Monte jusr arrived today...looking forward to playing with it.
Message: Posted by: Quentin (Apr 16, 2014 02:42AM)
Stand-Up Monte is excellent.
The trouble is remembering it. I learnt it two years ago and if I didn't do it for a week, I'd have to go over it again a few times. If I didn't do it for a month, I'd have to go and watch the DVD.
Garrett acknowledged this in a recent lecture I caught.
If I sit down to learn it again, I will build in points, beats and specific patter lines that will tell me exactly where I am.

There are some great packet card tricks out there. Some use an array of counts. Sometimes you have to replace a card on top instead of the bottom. My mentor, Eric Sharp gave me some advice, "As a professional, never learn a trick that if you don't do it for a month, you have to re-learn it."
Message: Posted by: Chamberlain (Apr 16, 2014 04:16AM)
Took me ages to learn Stand Up Monte, didn't help with the amount of times that Garrett spins and flicks the cards around when teaching it. It is a great routine but man, sometimes when I performed it I'd get the fear that I'd turn over the wrong card and expose the gaffs/mess up the sequence.

That's why I like Corner of Piccadilly, easier to follow and once you learn it you've pretty much got it down for life.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Apr 16, 2014 05:14AM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2014, Tim Friday wrote:
Do you find McKenzie's "Drink Trick" to be a real world worker? I really like the trick, but it seems like there are A LOT of cards that are only supposed to appear as a few cards. Will you please share your experience?... [/quote]
Tim - it depends how convincing your Buckle Count is I would guess.

Fortunately, I learnt to do it the right way via Joe Ridings' teaching. But for many, this move seems to be 'the invisible thread' of card work. In other words, people give it a go but often don't then have the confidence to use it in the Real World.

As for the trick itself. Let's be honest - some spectators may believe that you are using more cards than originally shown. But rather than being just another packet trick, this version is 100% entertainment from start to finish - and THAT, to my way of thinking, is the most important point.

And I have to agree with Quentin's point, in that Twisting The Aces can be an utter bore-fest for spectators - with Oliver Mackenzie's Drink Trick adding so much more value to the original concept.
Message: Posted by: EVILDAN (Apr 16, 2014 07:50AM)
I Hate David Copperfield Trick - my handling
Color Monte
B'Wave
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Apr 16, 2014 11:38AM)
Double Back
NFW
Virginia City Shuffle with my own "Arizona" patter and story about the Tombstone Shuffle- since I live here in Tucson. :cowboy:

Nice to see I'm not the only one who has issues with Stand Up Monte if I'm not doing it regularly.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Apr 16, 2014 12:06PM)
[quote]On Apr 16, 2014, Theodore Lawton wrote:

Virginia City Shuffle

[/quote]

I'm glad to see this mentioned. It's a great routine.

My favs would be:

Duvivier's Printing (my own handling and surprise cards) It's amazing that for a "Wild Card"-type routine that the cards can be handled by anyone, at the end... not that I condone examining props, but it's fun to end that clean.

Gaeton Bloom's Visible Monte (the visible change, and the visible vanish of one card is about as close to real magic as you can get)

The Famous Five Card Trick! (my version of Kaps' Homing Card)

Very hard to limit this list to just three choices. Runners up would be Back Again, Color Monte, and my own Billiard Hall Bandit.
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Apr 18, 2014 02:23AM)
-Twisted Sisters
-Twisting the Aces
-Too Many Cards

I prefeer tricks with packets from the deck than
The actual wallet with gaffs, etc...but its a matter
Of taste.
Message: Posted by: Daktari (Apr 18, 2014 07:46PM)
Lots of good ones I've used over the years
Gaffed- Eye Exam, Stand Up Monte, Bicycle Built for Four.
Out of the Deck- Twisting the Aces, Daleys Aces, my own All Backs routine.
Message: Posted by: AdamChance (Apr 18, 2014 11:45PM)
Stand Up Monte
Entourage
ACE (Richard Sanders)

does Inferno count as a packet trick?
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Apr 24, 2014 01:28AM)
Having to carry extra packets of tricks is not something I'm interested in.
For this reason I prefer:

dr daley's last trick
the twins
twisting the aces

etc.
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Apr 24, 2014 09:53AM)
I can see what you guys mean about Stand Up Monte! It is a monster effect...but I could see how not performing it daily would make it difficult to remember.
Message: Posted by: trickychris (May 12, 2014 06:24PM)
3 card monte
dr Daley's last trick
Think of a card
Message: Posted by: bluesmagic (May 14, 2014 06:29AM)
Color Monte ;)
Message: Posted by: DigaMag (May 18, 2014 02:38PM)
Stand up monte by garreth thomas
Braniac by john bannon ( from fractalicious's dvd )
Message: Posted by: LeoH (May 18, 2014 04:34PM)
Virginia City Shuffle
Jon Armstrong's 3 card monte
B'Wave
Message: Posted by: JeffreyMichael1127 (May 19, 2014 04:06PM)
I just discovered 8 card brainwace..it is pretty solid. Anybody do this one?
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (May 19, 2014 06:20PM)
I've performed 8 card brainwave. The reactions I got were just OK. Some people love it and use it all the time though.
Message: Posted by: terrillific (May 28, 2014 05:23PM)
Twisting the Aces (my version)
Dr. Daley's Last Trick
NFW or Standup Monte
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (May 28, 2014 08:55PM)
Bwave
Bwave
and yes Bwave
Message: Posted by: Adam Joseph (Jun 2, 2014 05:32PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2014, JeffreyMichael1127 wrote:
I just discovered 8 card brainwace..it is pretty solid. Anybody do this one? [/quote]

I bought a speical run of cards for this trick from the guy who makes the Cereal Brainwave cards. One set has fast food restaurants, one has beers, the other has sodas. It makes it a little more interseting. Sometimes I do the beer version, then ask if they want to see the "kids" version also and then I pull out the soda one. Half the time they pick the same colour card which is probably best, but half the time they pick a different colour card than they did from the first time and you get kind of a kicker ending where they think they fooled you but in fact you show them that they still picked an odd backed card. So when I do the trick twice with two different sets of cards, it makes the odds go to 1/64 that I would get both correct which I think makes it a lot stronger.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Jun 2, 2014 06:42PM)
Wild card
Ultimate three card monte
Rhine's Revenge (ESP)
Message: Posted by: SKILL (Sep 7, 2014 03:27PM)
Dr daley's last trick

Four Wild by Sanders

Shock Twist "my Favorite"
Message: Posted by: poolside (Sep 25, 2014 08:17PM)
Color Monte
Spin Doctor
Oil and Water
Message: Posted by: TopChange (Sep 26, 2014 05:53PM)
For stolling,
This In the Hands Wildcard always got a good reaction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJvzpFV44g
Message: Posted by: Rick Holcombe (Sep 26, 2014 10:52PM)
J.C. Wagner's "Factory Misprints"
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Sep 27, 2014 07:01PM)
I think the name is "Night out with the Ladies" I have used this for well over ten years, it's where you show several cards with pix of beautiful woman, and you tell the spec he will get a date with one, after some fun and a shuffle, he chooses , only to find he selected an old hag.
Message: Posted by: Richard Doyle (Sep 28, 2014 05:37AM)
[quote]On Sep 26, 2014, TopChange wrote:
For stolling,
This In the Hands Wildcard always got a good reaction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJvzpFV44g [/quote]

Very nice, I really like the idea of the spectator choosing the wild card. :dancing:
Message: Posted by: TopChange (Oct 5, 2014 08:01AM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2014, Richard Doyle wrote:
[quote]On Sep 26, 2014, TopChange wrote:
For stolling,
This In the Hands Wildcard always got a good reaction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJvzpFV44g [/quote]

Very nice, I really like the idea of the spectator choosing the wild card. :dancing: [/quote]

I agree... Plus putting the cards in the spectators hands adds to to it.
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Oct 5, 2014 10:02AM)
For me I like the following:

1. Color Monty
2. Duplicity
3. Double back because I can keep it in my pack perform it first and ditch it in the card box after and go into an ACR.

Patrick Wallace
Message: Posted by: drmagico (Oct 6, 2014 02:54PM)
For me it would be
1. Duplicity
2. Dr. Daley's Last Trick
3. NFW
Message: Posted by: bigtyme (Oct 22, 2014 05:05PM)
Back off Darwin Ortiz
Outside/Inside Gary Kurtz
Waving the Aces Guy Hollingworth (pseudo packet trick)
Message: Posted by: magical expressions (Oct 23, 2014 11:37AM)
1. Double back by Jon Allen.
2. 3 by Steve Valentine.
3. Waving the Aces Guy Hollingworth.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Oct 23, 2014 12:01PM)
1. Stand Up Monte by Garrett Thomas
2. Aces to Jacks by Steve Dobson
3. Back Off by Darwin Ortiz
Message: Posted by: Tom Dobrowolski (Oct 23, 2014 03:42PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2014, TopChange wrote:
[quote]On Sep 28, 2014, Richard Doyle wrote:
[quote]On Sep 26, 2014, TopChange wrote:
For stolling,
This In the Hands Wildcard always got a good reaction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJvzpFV44g [/quote]

Very nice, I really like the idea of the spectator choosing the wild card. :dancing: [/quote]

I agree... Plus putting the cards in the spectators hands adds to to it. [/quote]

Thanks Top Change. Glad you like and use it:-)
Message: Posted by: robvh (Oct 24, 2014 06:30PM)
I'm wondering which of these "top strolling tricks" also resets instantly (or very easily as you put them away). To me that's a key feature of any strolling trick since you'll be repeating it over and over as the gig rolls on.

Does that criterion change anyone's opinion of their top 3?
Message: Posted by: tommyellison (Oct 24, 2014 10:59PM)
Color Monte
Skinner's Ultimate Three Card monte or Blaine's Two Card monte
Dr Daley
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Oct 25, 2014 07:42AM)
B'Wave
Poker Test
Aces
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Oct 25, 2014 10:58AM)
1.Two Card Trick (uses any two cards, you could pick up two found in the street, and an empty box)

2.Never Ever Play the 3 Card Game [Skinner's Monte]

3.What You Wanna Play is 4 Card Monte, the extra card makes all the difference! [Virginia City Shuffle]

Progressing routine, all instantly reset, no fuss no muss, laughs and gasps.
Message: Posted by: poolside (Oct 26, 2014 08:18PM)
I previoulsy listed:
Color Monte;
Spin Doctor; and
Oil and Water.

Then I bought Garret Thomas' "Stand Up Monte" because of all of your recommendations and I was not disappointed... Initial reactions have been outstanding!

Thanks again Cafť members for the excellent advice!

John
Message: Posted by: eboetcker (Oct 28, 2014 05:36PM)
As everyone else says,
Stand Up Monte is great,
Poker Test is my opener,
and I truly love Bizarre Twist. only 3 cards needed, examinable at the end.
Message: Posted by: Tom Dobrowolski (Oct 28, 2014 08:50PM)
[quote]On Oct 24, 2014, robvh wrote:
I'm wondering which of these "top strolling tricks" also resets instantly (or very easily as you put them away). To me that's a key feature of any strolling trick since you'll be repeating it over and over as the gig rolls on.

Does that criterion change anyone's opinion of their top 3? [/quote]

"In The Hands Wild Card" mentioned above is reset when you finish the routine. You start and end in exactly the same order. Finish the trick, put the cards away and you're ready to go again.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Oct 29, 2014 01:26AM)
Chris Kenner's Twister
Dr. Daley's Last Trick
Mike Skinner's Oil and Water Rides Again
Message: Posted by: MichaelJae (Oct 30, 2014 02:58PM)
Panic
Doubleback
Sports B'wave
Message: Posted by: BenJammin69 (Oct 31, 2014 10:29AM)
I only do one packet trick so my vote is easy - Stickmen 4.
Message: Posted by: helder (Nov 2, 2014 02:41AM)
Another vote for Stand Up Monte and Dr. Daley Last trick. :)
Message: Posted by: regimbeaup (Nov 7, 2014 07:19PM)
Hi. How different is Ace from NFW? Seems to be pretty much the same thing
Message: Posted by: Adam Joseph (Nov 7, 2014 08:46PM)
[quote]On Nov 7, 2014, regimbeaup wrote:
Hi. How different is Ace from NFW? Seems to be pretty much the same thing [/quote]

it's basically the same except that ACE happens in the spectator's hands.

you can think of it as a different handling of NFW.

personally, I like ACE better than NFW... but both are great
Message: Posted by: MorrisCH (Nov 8, 2014 04:30AM)
1. Twisting the Aces
2. Masque
3. Spin doctor
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Apr 22, 2015 11:09AM)
This is a really great thread because every once in a while, something really good comes out. There are classics that will always be good, but there is some good relatively new stuff too.

There are packet tricks that require some sort of special cards, and then there are packet tricks from an ordinary deck. Here are my ordinary deck picks:

1. Oil and Water. See Reel Magic Issue 26 - David Solomon.
2. Twisting the Aces. See The Secrets of Packet Tricks (World's Greatest Magic) Bill Malone.
3. Dr Daley's Last Trick. See World's Greatest The Last Trick of Dr. Jacob Daley by L&L Publishing

As for packet tricks with special cards, I really like those are reliable after many performances and don't require expensive refills. So, I avoid DB tape, rough/smooth, etc. Here are my picks:

1. Nothing but the Truth by Cameron Francis: Great opener. You will have to re-buy when it wears out, but you can perform this routine with worn out cards.
2. Your Card Is by Grant Maidment: You can purchase a few commonly available decks and you have a lifetime supply of refills. I created a totally different routine with these cards.
3. Counterfeit by Daniel Meadows: Once you learn the principle, you could make your own refills and write in your own favorite movie titles. I think hand written cards are stronger.
4. 3 Card Routine by Steve Valentine: One of the best closers, and it ends clean. If you skip the little part of them feeling the cards, you can make your own refills.

KJ
Message: Posted by: martysh (Apr 29, 2015 03:06PM)
Was inspired looking at all these comments again.. a trick I have done for a long time and so David Roth

Sanvert Aces out of Carneycopia.. it has served me so well over the years..

you might also go to Graveyard Aces /Asher Twist stuff too

am excited again over New Back Off by Darwin Ortiz

lots of power in these


Marty
Message: Posted by: bigfoot (May 10, 2015 05:05PM)
Not sure if it counts as these are packet tricks, they come from a regular deck.

"Reset" by Paul Harris it has never gotten a bad response for me.
"Too Many Cards" by Derek Dingle
"Phych-out Poker" This is a great variaton of the classic "Jonah" card premise.

The fact that you only need a regular deck to them is a big plus!
Message: Posted by: Markymark (May 11, 2015 08:28AM)
Speaking of 'Bigfoot' That is a great packet trick by Nick Trost.Very good if there are children around.
Message: Posted by: supertoad12 (Jul 27, 2016 09:12AM)
1. Poker test
2. ACE
3. Rhythm twins
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jul 27, 2016 12:19PM)
3 by Steve Valentine

Capitulating Queens by James Swain

Eraser by Rick Lax

Honorable Mention
Twisting the Aces by Dai Vernon/Daley's Last Trick by Jacob Daley
Spin Doctor by Jon Bannon
Poker Test 2.0 by Erik Casey
Message: Posted by: William Dee (Aug 6, 2016 06:04PM)
These are three that pop into my head straight a way because I use them all the time.
They are packet effects but are made from a regular deck. This has the advantage of not needing to carry any extra stuff plus they are strong magic.

Too Many Cards...D. Dingle
Reset...P. Harris
Limo Service...P. Harris

Though all three are strong Reset has gotten me more "What the F---s" than the other two especially at the last change back. I am sure anyone who does it knows exactly what I am saying.
Message: Posted by: Matty Freakin Whipple (Aug 8, 2016 08:47AM)
1. Spin Doctors - Bannon

2. Duplicity - Bannon - (Here I am performing it at one of my restaurants- https://youtu.be/TwBbYp8poSo )

3. Equilibrium - Whipple

Also, I know I've mentioned this before in another thread around here, but if you want to carry some packet tricks with you while you're strolling, get one of those aluminum wallets! It's like a freaking rolodex of packet tricks and gaffs. The one I use is here: https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Wallet-Credit-Holder-Protection/dp/B00V6I2SSC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1470663585&sr=8-2&keywords=large+aluminum+wallet

I've only ever had to buy one and it's lasted me easily 5-6 years so far. Just make sure you buy the extra large or it won't be wide enough to hold playing cards. It will still fit comfortably into your pocket. Honestly, for the longest time I've been thinking about buying up a bunch of these, decoupaging them with playing cards or old magic ads, and then selling them to magicians at a 300% mark-up ;) :P ;) :goof:
Message: Posted by: GalloMagic (Aug 14, 2016 10:24PM)
1. Eye Exam
2. Odd Quad
3. Color Monte
Message: Posted by: Coolmanclyde (Oct 18, 2016 10:23PM)
Hey Matty thanks a bunch for the tip/link for the case. Great ideas and find. Routine video was pretty nice too thanks for sharing.

As far as packets go my votes are:

Color monte
Duplicity
Stand up monte
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Oct 19, 2016 10:26AM)
Color double bounty pin ka-bob
Iso lateral push/pull pass thingy ma do
Paper crane vulcan death grip bang
Message: Posted by: JasperLee (Oct 20, 2016 04:48AM)
1. Alan Wong Diamond Twist
2. BWave
3. 8 Card Brainwave
Message: Posted by: Doc Willie (Mar 24, 2017 02:29PM)
SO FAR we have:
Diamond Twist - Alan Wong
B Wave *******
8 Card Brainwave *
Color Double Bounty Pin Ka-bob
Iso Lateral Push/pull Pass Thingy Ma Do

Paper crane vulcan death grip bang
Color Monte ********
Duplicity - Bannon **
Spin Doctors - Bannon **
Equilibrium - Bannon

Stand Up Monte - Garrett Thomas************
Eye Exam *
Odd Quad
Too Many Cards - Dingle **
Reset - P Harris *

Limo Service - P Harris
3 - Steve Valentine
Capitulating Queens - James Swain
Eraser - Rick Lax
Poker Test ***

ACE - Richard Sanders *
Rhythm Twins
Psych-out Poker
Sanvert Aces - Carneycopia
Graveyard Aces - Asher Twist

New Back Off - Darwin Ortiz
Nothing but the Truth - Camern Fracis
Your Card is - Grant Maidmant
Counterfeit - Daniel Meadows
3 Card Routine - Steve Valentine *

Twisting the Aces *****
Masque
Spin Doctor
Dr. Daleyís Last Trick *******
Virginia City Shuffle **

3 Card Monte - Jon Armstrong
NFW *****
Wild Card
Ultimate Three Card Monte
Rhineís Revenge

Four Wild - Sanders
Shock Twist
Oil and Water
Factory Misprints - J C Wagner
Night Out with the Ladies

Double Back ****
Back Off - Darwin Ortiz *
Outside/Inside - Gary Kurtz
Waving the Aces - Guy Hollingworth *
Aces to Jacks - Steve Dobson

Ultimate Three Card Monte -Skinner *
Two Card Monte - David Blaine
Aces
Two Card Trick
Bizarre Twist

Twister - Chris Kenner
Oil and Water Rides Again - Mike Skinner
Stickmen 4 - Sanders **
The Web
Corner of Piccadilly - Gordon

Flipped Out - Emerson and West
Twisted Sisters - John Bannon **
Three Card Monte *
Entourage *
Razzle Dazzle - Nick Trost

My Drink Trick - Oliver McKenzie
Marked - John Cornelius
Tamed Card - Tommy Wonder
Pack Flat Monte
Kickback Kicker

I Hate David Copperfield
Printing - Duvivier
Visible Monte - Gaeton Bloom
Famous Five Card Trick (Kaps Homing Card)
Back Again

Billiard Hall Bandit - Michael Baker
Bicycle Built for Four
Daleys Aces
All Backs - Daktari
The Twins

Think of a Card
Braniac - John Bannon
Message: Posted by: Doc Willie (Mar 24, 2017 02:33PM)
The runaway winner is Stand Up Monte with 13 votes.

Color Monte is second with 9.

Third is a tie at 8 between B Wave and Dr. Daley's last trick.
Message: Posted by: Doc Willie (Mar 24, 2017 02:36PM)
My own "selections" (I put it in quotes because these are all I know. I am a beginner.):

Three Card Monte (with gaffed cards)
8 Card Brainwave
Two Card Monte (gaffed)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Mar 25, 2017 12:10AM)
After reading all this again I wonder how many "performing" magicians actually use all 3 they mentioned during a gig where the 3 require an extra set of cards. I'll bet very few... to none.

I doubt many magicians walk around with 3 extra packets of tricks for the 3 packet tricks they voted on.

Seems more like armchair quarterback stuff to me.
Message: Posted by: improver (Apr 6, 2017 06:08PM)
Wow how is 'This and that' not on the list? That is my all time favourite trick (well partly because it is the first 'proper' trick I learned).

My top 3 packet tricks for strolling would be:

1. This & That
2. The Four Card Trick (Alex Elmsely)
3. Twisting the Aces

But I am working my way through checking out the suggestions in this thread, such a great resource.
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Apr 7, 2017 09:45AM)
[quote]On Mar 25, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote:
After reading all this again I wonder how many "performing" magicians actually use all 3 they mentioned during a gig where the 3 require an extra set of cards. I'll bet very few... to none.

I doubt many magicians walk around with 3 extra packets of tricks for the 3 packet tricks they voted on.

Seems more like armchair quarterback stuff to me. [/quote]

You better be thankful for those armchair quarterbacks...especially the ones who purchase your products!
Message: Posted by: NWJay (Apr 8, 2017 12:09PM)
Excellent thread! Out of interest, is there anyone who *just* does packet tricks when working or is variety the spice of life?
Message: Posted by: puggo (Apr 8, 2017 02:58PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2017, NWJay wrote:
Excellent thread! Out of interest, is there anyone who *just* does packet tricks when working or is variety the spice of life? [/quote]

With the caveat that there are very few hard & fast rules.. If you just do the odd card effect, just doing packet tricks may work, but if you do several in the same session without a deck, it may seem like you're using TV or magic cards.
I wouldn't do just packet tricks unless I only used them very sparingly.
Message: Posted by: NWJay (Apr 9, 2017 04:18AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2017, puggo wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2017, NWJay wrote:
Excellent thread! Out of interest, is there anyone who *just* does packet tricks when working or is variety the spice of life? [/quote]

With the caveat that there are very few hard & fast rules.. If you just do the odd card effect, just doing packet tricks may work, but if you do several in the same session without a deck, it may seem like you're using TV or magic cards.
I wouldn't do just packet tricks unless I only used them very sparingly. [/quote]

Hmm yes, I guess the sheer repetition would make things start looking suspicious. And also get a little monotonous for your audience! Thanks for your answer :)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Apr 9, 2017 11:55AM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2017, Rocky wrote:
[quote]On Mar 25, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote:
After reading all this again I wonder how many "performing" magicians actually use all 3 they mentioned during a gig where the 3 require an extra set of cards. I'll bet very few... to none.

I doubt many magicians walk around with 3 extra packets of tricks for the 3 packet tricks they voted on.

Seems more like armchair quarterback stuff to me. [/quote]

You better be thankful for those armchair quarterbacks...especially the ones who purchase your products! [/quote]

I am.. and if someone described getting many of these for their "upcoming gig", I'd probably ask them to re-think their decision, before purchasing.
Message: Posted by: Oscar999 (Apr 13, 2017 08:39PM)
You can't go wrong with B'Wave. I just did that recently for a bunch of folks (the Jumbo B'Wave)and they were blown away. They NEVER see that last kicker coming.

Oscar
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Apr 15, 2017 01:41PM)
You're likely right, but so what. The original question didn't state that anyone had to use all three in the same gig and no one stated that they would use all three in the same gig. I could see it being done easily if one wanted to. You could put a Monte routine in your jacket pocket (mine would be 3 by Steve Valentine), Poker Test in your shirt pocket and a blank card in the UCCU (or in the card box) for Lax's Eraser. Really the UCCU could be used to add any gaff to a working deck on the fly. Or one could just go the simple route and keep their packet tricks in an aluminum wallet (my preferred solution). Then one can just take the cards out of the wallet when needed.

The more likely scenario is that performers may use one or two packet tricks per gig and then rotate them in and out as desired or needed. Or they may do a "packet" trick that comes out of the deck. I love being able to do Color Monte out of a normal deck with the Joker, AS and QH. Like you, I am partial to Twisting followed by Daley's. Fond memories of ETMCMV2 there.

And for what it's worth, my version of Spin Doctor has moved up into my top three.

[quote]On Mar 25, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote:
After reading all this again I wonder how many "performing" magicians actually use all 3 they mentioned during a gig where the 3 require an extra set of cards. I'll bet very few... to none.

I doubt many magicians walk around with 3 extra packets of tricks for the 3 packet tricks they voted on.

Seems more like armchair quarterback stuff to me. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Apr 15, 2017 02:09PM)
I suppose.... :)
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Apr 20, 2017 04:56PM)
I carry packet tricks in all my close-up gigs. They take up very little room, and have a big bang. I also carry 2 stacked decks. I don't use more than one packet or card trick per table, but carrying multiple keeps me sharp.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Apr 20, 2017 06:20PM)
I use Marked For Life by John Cornelius, and Virginia City Shuffle at gigs constantly. I promise, Frank. :-)
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Apr 20, 2017 09:29PM)
My list would be different today. My strolling approach changed. Now I think of strolling as purely in the hands/no tables used, so I would pack differently.

Today I might use a deck (a 52 card packet!) with my 3 1/2 of spades in it. I still stand by the old 3 1/2 of spades. I get great reactions- meaning laughter. Or I might not, depending on the gig. But, from this deck I could also do Dr Daley's and Twisting the Aces or Two Card Monte. I also like to pack Double Back in a deck because it seems to blow people's minds more than Dr Daley's.

I would probably carry B'Wave in a breast pocket just because I like to mix things up for myself and it gets great reactions. Of course I would do this for another group than the ones I've been using my SDIU with!

If it were a table hopping gig I would still most definitely perform my version of Virginia City Shuffle! Stand Up Monte. I might also do Color Monte with regular cards. And I've even done Jumbo Coincidence table hopping. It works.

I never perform NFW anymore.

So... changes.
Message: Posted by: trickbooks (Jun 19, 2017 12:06AM)
Those of you interested in packet effects might like two effects I designed that have just been released by Ronjo.com: "Death at Hand" and "A Fool for You." They are hybrid monte effects using Tarot cards. Though I've released several effects over the years, I'm quite proud of these effects, which are easy to do, instantly resettable, and completely clean, yet have a powerful effect on ordinary spectators as well as magicians. They are also just a lot of fun. You can access them here:

http://shop.ronjo.com/ronjo-death-at-hand-by-gary-brown-902.html

http://shop.ronjo.com/ronjo-fool-for-you-by-gary-brown.html

Also, for those of you who work bars, restaurants and other card-unfriendly environments, the effects are being released in plastic versions that are entirely waterproof:

http://shop.ronjo.com/ronjo-fool-for-you-deluxe-plastic-by-gary-brown.html

Enjoy!

Gary Brown
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 21, 2017 11:07PM)
Not in any particular order:

Spin Doctor series
Corner of Piccadilly
Capitulating Queens

Direct involvement of the audience, open to various patters, regular cards, simple handling, and quick reset.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Aug 22, 2017 06:02PM)
Spin Doctor by Bannon
Double Back by Jon Allen
Stickmen 4 by Richard Sanders
Message: Posted by: langston3711 (Aug 22, 2017 10:09PM)
1. Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card Monte
2. Bannon's Twisted Sister's
3. Elsdon's Bring Me the Head
Message: Posted by: mrsmiles (Aug 23, 2017 01:34AM)
I do ONE out of the following at tables & am very fond of them all
1. Eye exam by Danny Archer
2. A colour changing backs packet trick (might be called colour chameleon). All 4 cards change from blue to red & then into 4 completely different colours
3. Nothing but the truth by Cameron Francis
4. Colour monte but with a joker, AD, AS
5. A free will effect, whose name escapes me but is by Wayne Fox that is supplied on 3 plastic cards (but you could write them onto 3 blank faced cards)
I'm also working on 'what the blank' by Cameron Francis.
I've also used Bwave! But waiting to have a better elmsley count b4 I do it again (appreciate you don't need the move but I prefer to utilise it.

Have fun if you look up or use any of these!



but leaving out the unnecessary eyeball prop)
Message: Posted by: MickNZ (Aug 25, 2017 03:41AM)
Putting an Elmsley Count into B'wave makes it a completely different effect.

If you're smarter than Maven and have thought it through, go for it. Otherwise do it as per the instructions.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 25, 2017 01:54PM)
I don't use many packet tricks at all but lately I pulled out the COLOR MONTE and ENTOURAGE by Gordon Bean. I forgot how much fun performing these were!!


RNK
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Aug 30, 2017 12:16PM)
I think an Elmsley count makes twisted sister and B'wave stronger.
Message: Posted by: drolleric (Sep 3, 2017 07:10AM)
All Non Conformists shown by Michael Ammar
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Aug 15, 2018 07:14AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2017, puggo wrote:
...just doing packet tricks may work, but if you do several in the same session without a deck, it may seem like you're using TV or magic cards.
I wouldn't do just packet tricks unless I only used them very sparingly. [/quote]

Some groups/tables, etc. prefer card tricks. Most have not seen anything other than the laymen's pick-a-card trick so when they see this NEW magic they want more. Three packet tricks can easily be transitioned in to one after the other as if they were phases of one large card routine.

I have never had anyone suspect that I was using TV or magic cards or at least be vocal about it. Although now I prefer to carry all of the packet tricks that I will have with me in a single card box, adding extra cards to fill the perceived deck. At first I thought I might need an index but have found that isn't necessary.
Message: Posted by: peppermeat2000 (Aug 18, 2018 10:04AM)
I don't get this anxiety magicians have with audiences thinking that the decks/packets we use are TV/magic cards. If you perform enough you'll understand that there are some people who will blatantly make this assumption regardless of how fairly the deck is displayed. There are more people (thankfully) who will assume the cards are gimmicked ( even if the deck is the old tried and true Bike back), but are too polite to make mention of it during the performance.

But for the most part...if you're a solid performer, spectators will enjoy your card tricks for what they are---well executed and entertaining card TRICKS.
Despite how hard a magician practices to remove any thoughts of trick cards or sleight of hand, is there really a perception from todays educated audiences that the card trick just witnessed was accomplished through...ACTUAL MAGIC?!?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 18, 2018 10:26AM)
If you use a new deck for every effect it tends to diminish the work as no skill and something anyone can do. While nobody may think it is magic, they do assume skill. If you're ok with reducing that then cool. This is a performance choice for you.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Nov 18, 2018 02:02PM)
Iíve fallen in love with packet tricks lately. Iíve found that people really enjoy them if you have a nice story with them too like Brother Hammon Twins and even Jennings Ambitious Classic. I avoid too many gimmicked packet effects. I think the sleights effects have bigger impact and instead of spectators thinking gaff they think how? Or that you have extra cards. I get that with Elmsley Four card and Twins a lot.

By the way I think The Elmsley Count Project was excellent and personally that where I learned how to do it.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Nov 19, 2018 02:54AM)
To add to the list:
Nick Frostís 4 flush
Aldo Colombiniís 5 card mystery.

Both of these use some gaffs. But every now and again are fun to throw in the mix.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Nov 26, 2018 12:21PM)
Genetics- - hereís a clip of me performing it with the new set, Genetics 2.... Sorry no screaming girls or camera edits and beware itís a full performance so 6 mins long

https://youtu.be/8rkDpXmd3T8
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Nov 26, 2018 02:37PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Genetics- - hereís a clip of me performing it with the new set, Genetics 2.... Sorry no screaming girls or camera edits and beware itís a full performance so 6 mins long

https://youtu.be/8rkDpXmd3T8 [/quote]

I donít think 26 cards qualifies as packet trick.
Itís nice but long.
Message: Posted by: gibby357 (Nov 26, 2018 04:25PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Genetics- - hereís a clip of me performing it with the new set, Genetics 2.... Sorry no screaming girls or camera edits and beware itís a full performance so 6 mins long

https://youtu.be/8rkDpXmd3T8 [/quote]


Lots of audience involvement and entertainment packed into 6 minutes. I like it! Anyone carrying this in the U.S.?
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Nov 26, 2018 04:47PM)
Thanks Gibby357. The original Genetics was released around 5 or 6 years ago, but the guys who did all the cards etc stopped. As it was my effect I asked them if I could produce a new set, with revised handling etc and they said yes, so hereís Genetics 2. Due to the cost of producing the cards, I canít sell them at wholesale to the likes of Murphyís sadly, so they are only available directly from me.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Nov 27, 2018 12:08AM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Thanks Gibby357. The original Genetics was released around 5 or 6 years ago, but the guys who did all the cards etc stopped. As it was my effect I asked them if I could produce a new set, with revised handling etc and they said yes, so hereís Genetics 2. Due to the cost of producing the cards, I canít sell them at wholesale to the likes of Murphyís sadly, so they are only available directly from me. [/quote]

One idea is to see if Penguin or whoever would sell it as a video download along with PDF so people can print images and just glue them to blank cards.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Nov 27, 2018 02:27PM)
Ahhhh news flash..... Alakazam have just bought the rights to Genetics so Iím sure thatíll lead to it being available in the States soon.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Nov 28, 2018 01:14AM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2017, drolleric wrote:
All Non Conformists shown by Michael Ammar [/quote]

What a gem! Thanks for highlighting it.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Dec 26, 2018 12:17PM)
NFW, Color Monte (I know, I know but it gets great reactions), and I canít think of a third right now.
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Dec 26, 2018 02:24PM)
Todsky, by chance, have you followed up with Dailys Last Trick after NFW? It leaves the impression that your spectators have held all the aces, plus it's a great packet trick.
Message: Posted by: gkfreed (Dec 27, 2018 12:32PM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2018, Wravyn wrote:
Todsky, by chance, have you followed up with Dailys Last Trick after NFW? It leaves the impression that your spectators have held all the aces, plus it's a great packet trick. [/quote]

Wravyn,

I often follow up NFW with Daley's. Seems to remove any heat from the Aces (and of course the cards left in their hands are clean!)
Message: Posted by: todsky (Dec 29, 2018 12:59PM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2018, Wravyn wrote:
Todsky, by chance, have you followed up with Dailys Last Trick after NFW? It leaves the impression that your spectators have held all the aces, plus it's a great packet trick. [/quote]

Nope, but that makes great magical sense!
Message: Posted by: Charles Gaff (Dec 31, 2018 06:43PM)
Stand up monte
8 card b wave
Twisted sister follow up
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Dec 28, 2021 05:42AM)
I tried Stand Up Monte because the promo video looked good and it is so highly recommended and I want stand up strolling material. I tried it a few times.
I found it very difficult to remember. Also, if you mess up one step it can cause problems. Also it seemed a bit too impossible.
People started to try and look underneath suspecting gimmicked cards, which they are. Also, after a bit you start to forget how to do it like others have said. So I shelved it. There are other packet tricks easier to remember. Hey. If it works for you, good luck. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: PressureFan (Dec 28, 2021 10:30AM)
For an in-hands Monte, Paul Cummins Old Faithful uses normal cards.

In my second strolling set I do Draun's Counting Puzzle with a phase from Pineapple Twist. I wouldn't have left in the last phase of the Counting Puzzle except that Steve said; "It's a little cheeky". That made me laugh. Not bold, but cheeky. I never would have thought of that distinction. I'm surprised that Counting Puzzle isn't mentioned more. It ticks all the boxes for me. It's easy, in-hands, uses normal cards, no extra cards, and is angle proof.

Meeting all those requirements is Carpenter's Pocket Interchange. It's taught using a table to set a packet aside for a moment, but I use a short vest pocket. I've mentioned this trick before, it's huge. LOTS of action with only three easy moves.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jan 6, 2022 10:19PM)
Donít know if itís been mentioned but Paul Gordonís Corner of Piccadilly has been very successful for me. Just long enough, can be done into a spectatorís hand or on the table the oversized antique cards are interesting to look at.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jan 7, 2022 08:49AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2022, Xcath1 wrote:
Donít know if itís been mentioned but Paul Gordonís Corner of Piccadilly has been very successful for me. Just long enough, can be done into a spectatorís hand or on the table the oversized antique cards are interesting to look at. [/quote]
For a Real World (in the hands) worker, I really don't think any other 'packet trick' actually beats this routine.

Moreover, as you correctly say, the antique cards add to both the storyline and the interest; and even tend to detract away from it being just another card trick.

There's a clip on youtube somewhere of Craig Petty performing this routine to a really annoying, boozed-up bint. Even so, the reaction is quite superb; and well worth searching for, particularly if anyone is considering its purchase and wants to see its value.

EDIT: Here's the link - hopefully it works:
https://youtu.be/iVa3MARG__A
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jan 7, 2022 01:15PM)
Just to add that my favourite strolling Packet Trick is something called 'Changing Shapes' by Joe Riding. It's been a regular with me since 1980.

It's a 4 card Twising the Aces type of routine; but with multiple colour changes to the backs throughout. When you gamblers cop the necessary and throw the 4 cards down for examination.......well let's just say I've been performing it for over 40 years for a very good reason. ;)

Another packet trick that I always perform, albeit with Jumbo Cards (which always gets a laugh before you even do anything), is Joe Riding's Irish 3 Card Trick.....using 4 cards. I cannot put into words the value that I have placed upon this wonderful trick over many, many years.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 7, 2022 02:59PM)
To pick only 3 is tough but based on the ones ive performed the most at actual paying gigs I would have to go with the following:

Dr Daley's Last Trick
Twisting The Aces with my own kicker finish
Corner Of Piccadilly
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 19, 2022 09:00AM)
I have done many packet tricks over the years, but a few that have stuck with me I offer here in 3 sets areÖ

-[b]Twisting The Aces & The Daley Trick[/b], because they are just excellent immediate tricks to do from a regular deck, no gaffs necessary.

-[b]NFW & Double Back[/b], because of the sheer impossibility of it.

-[b]BíWave & Capitulating Queens[/b]ÖLove the compact presentation & mentalism of BíWave, and ever since an old friend from Canada gave me CQ, itís definitely been a fun keeper.

All these tricks are classic packet effects for me. I donít do them all anymore but they are all well worth checking out. I used to practice and present them almost daily. But now since more so playing around with a regular deck, and as mostly a decent-at-best coin guy, I really enjoy doing Twisting the Aces, itís just got a little of everything in it as to moves, overall presentation & amazement, and just plain old fun. 😊 And all from a regular deck of cards, or just from 4 Aces you carry in your wallet.
Message: Posted by: AndyMo805 (Feb 17, 2022 10:59PM)
I've had GREAT Luck strolling with B-Wave (Max Maven)... Contact (Rick Lax)... and a Card Warp Routine.