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Topic: Hypnotizing house plants
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Apr 22, 2014 08:53PM)
I've been playing with the old hypno-trick of spraying ether onto a plant to make it sleep (droop). Thus far I've had little success and am curious if I'm missing something. I'm using undiluted Ethyl Ether (Diethyl Ether) sprayed from a small pump bottle and have tried a few common house plants like lilies and daisies. Can anyone offer suggestions?
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 1, 2014 08:54AM)
146 views and not one suggestion? I thought for certain that mindpunisher, mindpro or Doyle would weigh in : )
Message: Posted by: Woodfield (Jun 1, 2014 03:40PM)
Sorry, I don't use plants in my shows. ;)
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Jun 3, 2014 03:05PM)
I've seen that before and never been clear on what relationship it has to hypnosis.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 3, 2014 03:10PM)
Yes whats it got to do with a hypnosis show?
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 3, 2014 03:36PM)
If you're like me, most shows tend to drag a bit after the first 60 minutes - regardless of the charisma of the performer or the quality of the routines (i.e., give a suggestion - volunteers respond - build on their responses - go onto next routine). Hypno-tricks are useful when you need to break up that pattern.

Imagine gesturing to a plant-filled stage and every plant suddenly droops as if going into trance. You don't have to say a word. The audience assumes it's something you've done.

Imagine hooking up a volunteer to a pulse oximeter, suggesting that their heart rate is slowing and watching as it does so to a point where it's hard to detect.

Our predecessors built reputations on stunts like these. Sometimes, I get the feeling that the current crop of hypnotists has forgotten that this is supposed to be a theatrical experience. That means sound, lights, props, staging, scripting and pacing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 3, 2014 03:50PM)
You should work more on your show if it regularly drags after 60 minutes I agree.

I do not have that problem.

And if you think this is going to help, I would have to see it and not have to imagine it. I can not imagine taking the time to do something so incoherent as hooking a pulse meter up to a volunteer.

Yea maybe you should see the shows prior to judging the theatrical merit of them.

One reason I did not respond was I was afraid you were going to start this line of thought.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jun 3, 2014 04:51PM)
I agree, I thought this post had not merit and nothing to do with a real stage hypnosis performance. Like the others any good hypnotist should easily be able to do a full 90 minutes show with them usually wanting more. In a sidesplitting, hilarious show there is no drag after 60 minutes, actually at the 60 minute point is where most decent shows really start to kick into high gear.

Perhaps your understanding and perception of a stage hypnosis show needs some tending to. The plant idea you mention would easily kill not to mention discredit and real hypnosis show. This is unless of course you aren't doing a true hypnosis show and are simply seeking gimmicks to pass off as hypnosis.

This all along seemed like a flaming or baiting post to me, having nothing to do with performance hypnosis which is why no one responded initially.

My suggestion (since you asked), give it up, it has nothing to do with hypnosis and is an insult to the art and science. Put your efforts into more productive places, like training.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 3, 2014 05:49PM)
I have done shows that have gone on for nearly three hours and the audience sat in their chairs at the end because they didn't want to leave. Here is a clue : its got nothing to do with the charisma of the hypnotist.

Unfortunately training in itself won't make you a good hypnotist you need to have some talent for getting the best out of the volunteers that's where the real art lies and I don't think that can be taught. Well not to 100%.

The fact that you believe that a drooping plant would save a drooping show tells me you don't really understand how to entertain with hypnosis. You honestly think killing a plant with a chemical would be entertaining? You should be gardener not a hypnotist!

;-)
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 3, 2014 05:59PM)
I am with MP - I have managed a three hour show once when the student union told me to keep it going, they were lapping it up. Down to a great audience and great volunteers. I won't pretend it was my charisma!
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 3, 2014 06:01PM)
I am with MP - I have managed a three hour show once when the student union told me to keep it going, they were lapping it up. Down to a great audience and great volunteers. I won't pretend it was my charisma!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jun 3, 2014 07:09PM)
What MP said I couldn't agree more. A good hypnosis show has little to do with hypnosis and almost all to do with the entertainer and the entertainment value created by the hypnotist - his/her personality with the subjects, with the audience (because you are doing two shows at once), and their ability to create good, interactive comedy bits and control the entertainment and entertainment value. This is missed by many hypnosis performers. The vast majority of hypnotists are not entertainers they are simply applicators (sounds like a tampoon!)of hypnosis.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 3, 2014 08:36PM)
Glad it wasn't just me.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Lewis (Jun 3, 2014 09:41PM)
Hi Mozart,
Everyone is saying this is a bad idea which I kind of agree with on first glance however I want explore this further.

My question for you is what is your end goal with this are you going to use it every show? for publicity? for your promo? are you planning on using it repeatedly? is this something you want to become known for? Where do you see this in 2-10 years?

Jesse
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 3, 2014 10:20PM)
Killing off the Amazon as a publicly stunt.
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 3, 2014 11:33PM)
There was no intent to flame or bait anyone and certainly no intent to minimize the art and science of stage hypnosis. Sorry to have wasted your time with an innocent question and I'll make certain not to do it again.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 4, 2014 01:25AM)
Mozart

I wouldn't worry about the tone of the replies on here. Feel free to ask any question. I didn't initially answer because I really didn't have an answer it was so far away from doing shows.

But now at least you got the answer that will stop you wasting your time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 4, 2014 01:50AM)
We ignored the question and you baited us by name. Don't act all innocent babe in the woods.
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 4, 2014 06:33AM)
Yes I did - but only after 146 views failed to elicit an answer. When one is looking for arcane information, it often helps to seek out experts.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 4, 2014 08:37AM)
The upsetting partv was you coming of as some expert in theater.

What is your background? How many shows a week do you do? How many have you done?
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 4, 2014 09:29AM)
Danny hasn't lost it :-)
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jun 4, 2014 09:34AM)
This is a typical magician turned hypnotist. Likely rather new to hypnosis within the last five years, but of course like any magician claims they've been "performing" since a young kid. I think I know who this is and this is in line with what I heard. Devin Knight follower from what I've heard.

Like others, you must have a position on these boards. Either you want to admit to being new and still in the beginning learning phases, or you are a seasoned professional. Conflicting positions and posts are not beneficial to anyone.

Hypnotizing plants to me shows minimal experience in theater.

I still don't get why members do not follow the guidelines and preferred practices of coming on here and first introducing themselves and offering some information about themselves, their level of experience and some background. It gets things off on a much better foot. Yet when they take offense to the replies they get they often fail to see it's because of how they came on here and approached it.

His very post said so much between the lines. this is why he's likely got no response and then they types of responses he's receiving." Hypno-tricks are useful when you need to break up that pattern" explains a lot to most of us.
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 4, 2014 09:43AM)
Okay, lets begin again. In 1996, the New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnosis was published. In it, the author includes several examples of hypno-tricks including the pseudo hypnosis of animals and plants. In the case of plants, he describes a spray system concealed under ones clothing to atomize ether to accomplish this effect.

A more recent non-fiction book (sorry-the title eludes me) describes the secrets of Indian Mystics. In one case, a holy man is observed by the author ascending a dias surrounded by worshipers and flowers. The worshipers bow in reverence as he passes by and amazingly, the flowers on both sides on the dias bow as well. Upon closer inspection, the author observes small nozzles buried in the flowerbeds. He also cites ether as the catalyst.

Im trying to duplicate this effect - but so far with no success. Can anyone tell me whether this is fanciful legend or is there evidence to support it? Has anyone done it and if so, can you describe your method?

Constructive information pertinent to the question is welcome and appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Lewis (Jun 4, 2014 10:29AM)
The Secret Language of Life

cover of book The Secret Language of Life

How Animals and Plants feel and communicate
Brian J. Ford
Fromm International, New York, 1999.
ISBN: 0-88064-254-8.
From pages: 204 - 206

Pea plants are convenient for casual study, for their tendril can store the memory of a stimulus. If a pea tendril is stroked it will start to curl, though if the plant is chilled this responses does not occur. The memory remains, however, and if the plant is later allowed to warm up, the tendril then curls as if recalling or having stored the earlier stimulus. The tip of a pea tendril grows into a sharp little hook, helping to attach it to its support. If you stroke an outstretched pea tendril you will see it start to coil within a minute or so. Try it at night and nothing happens. The tendrils need to be in the light before they will respond to stroking. They can store the effect of the stimulus for more than an hour and, if brought into the light 90 minutes after the stimulus, they will start to coil as though they had just been touched . . .

In plants like the Virginia creeper Parthenocissus . . . [it is not clear, but it may be that Ford is referring to Parthenocissus here] . . . if even a single touch-cell is stimulated, the effect is transmitted to all other cells in the tendril, so coiling starts simultaneously all along its length. These cells can clearly communicate with their neighbours. The sense can be more highly developed that the sense of touch in humans. The touch of a single wisp of wool, less that you can detect on your skin, is enough to start some tendrils responding. The organs of touch in humans can detect a fine hair weighing 0.002 mg drawn across the skin. The sensitive hairs of Drosera, the sundew, can detect a stimulus of 0.0008 mg, while Sicyos tendrils respond to 0.00025 mg, which is eight times lighter than humans can detect. Not only have plants the ability to sense what's going on, bus some do it far better than we can.

The electrical nature of the stimulus has been demonstrated in several ways. There are action potentials which can be measured in a stimulated tendril, for one thing; and if an electrical signal is actually fed to a tendril, it can itself induce coiling. The pioneering experiments by the Italian physiologist Luigi Galvani (1737 - 98) at the University of Bologna in the late eighteenth century showed that electricity could stimulate frog muscle and make it twitch. Now we have a made similar observations in the tendrils of flowering plants.

There is a further comparison between plant and animal movement, namely that plants can be anaesthetised much like humans. It has been known for many decades that a dose of ether, chloroform, or morphine can render a plant senseless.
Message: Posted by: Mozart (Jun 4, 2014 10:46AM)
Thank you Jessie. That is an articulate, intelligent and well-cited reply. I'll check out the reference.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 4, 2014 12:17PM)
I want to know where your statement about most of us not knowing it is about staging and lighting and etc. comes from. YOU brought it up so it is perfectly logical for us to question your credentials.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 4, 2014 01:17PM)
Don't believe everything you read in that old book. I remember a "challenge induction" using chloroform. Its a nice book but not that practical.

Again putting the killing of a plant aside you said hypnosis shows tend to get boring after about 60 mins when most of us say the opposite. So I can only come to the conclusion you are not very skilled in doing hypnosis shows. And I would find it hard to believe that any real seasoned hypnotist would even think about hypnotizing a plant...

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There is a further comparison between plant and animal movement, namely that plants can be anaesthetised much like humans. It has been known for many decades that a dose of ether, chloroform, or morphine can render a plant senseless. [/quote]

Now there is a scarey picture - a senseless plant :-)
Message: Posted by: Gordon the discombobulator (Jun 13, 2014 09:32AM)
Ask yourself, "does the plant want to be hypnotized ?"