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Topic: Modern Coin Magic
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Apr 26, 2014 03:51PM)
If you don't already own this great DVD 4 disc set by Ben Salinas, it is on sale this weekend only http://salinasmagic.blogspot.com/2014/04/modern-coin-magic-4-dvd-set-for-half.html

and if you don't already read the blog... What are you waiting for??? it's FREE
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 26, 2014 05:10PM)
I second, and even third this motion. :)

Wonderful set of Coin Magic DVDs from just a great guy and magician…And yet again at a ridiculously wonderful price, too. :)

This is exactly why you should check his magic blog each and every day. ;)

-Mb
Message: Posted by: Tom the Enchanter (Apr 26, 2014 06:13PM)
I third, or fourth this motion. In terms of what you get for your bucks, I am not sure there is a better value when it comes to instructional coin magic DVDs.
Message: Posted by: John Long (May 2, 2014 09:58PM)
The Magic warehouse has had this set on sale for $20 for at least a year.

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=DV5768&keyword=MODERN%20COIN%20MAGIC

This is a good set, but potential buyers should be aware that it has none of the extra material from the New Modern Coin Magic, nor does it have all of the material in the original/Dover edition. (at least I can't find "Routines" chapter. Please let me know if I'm wrong!)

John
Message: Posted by: Tree (May 2, 2014 10:03PM)
It's on Amazon for $17 + shipping, cheapest price on the net.
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (May 4, 2014 12:51PM)
I can't say enough about how much Ben's DVDs have helped me. Yes there are many great DVDs out there, but I find myself going back to Modern Coin Magic almost daily! Hint: copy the dvd to your hard drive, then convert them to avi's. This makes it much easier to find that particular move or routine.

Had no idea they were so inexpensive on Amazon! Get this set, you will not be disappointed.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (May 4, 2014 06:25PM)
[quote]On May 2, 2014, John Long wrote:
The Magic warehouse has had this set on sale for $20 for at least a year.

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=DV5768&keyword=MODERN%20COIN%20MAGIC

This is a good set, but potential buyers should be aware that it has none of the extra material from the New Modern Coin Magic, nor does it have all of the material in the original/Dover edition. (at least I can't find "Routines" chapter. Please let me know if I'm wrong!)

John [/quote]

Well, nothing can be everything, but Ben's set is pretty close. :)
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (May 5, 2014 04:51AM)
[quote]On May 4, 2014, Mb217 wrote:
[quote]On May 2, 2014, John Long wrote:
The Magic warehouse has had this set on sale for $20 for at least a year.

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=DV5768&keyword=MODERN%20COIN%20MAGIC

This is a good set, but potential buyers should be aware that it has none of the extra material from the New Modern Coin Magic, nor does it have all of the material in the original/Dover edition. (at least I can't find "Routines" chapter. Please let me know if I'm wrong!)

John [/quote]

Well, nothing can be everything, but Ben's set is pretty close. :) [/quote]

Even being the same set at the same price, if you buy from Ben, it supports him as a creator / contributer of our art (as well as an active member of the Café). Nothing against supporting the ol brick and mortar but I would rather have bought it direct from Ben if I didn't already have the set. Although, this is a moot point now as it was a weekend sale (from Ben, unless he wishes to continue it)

As far as the MagicWarehouse, both as a brick and mortar and an internet site - they are top notch. Back in the day, they were one of the few that carried Johnson Brand "real silver" sets Walkers and 64 Kennedys. In all the various gaffs (and still care several). I spent a fortune there way back when and still have (and use them today)(Almost 20 years later). Their prices have always been great and their sales - even better.
Message: Posted by: bowers (May 5, 2014 09:17PM)
I have it also.A killer set of learning dvd's.
I learn faster watching it performed then visual
diagram's from a book.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (May 6, 2014 08:02AM)
There is no doubt that DVDs have greatly improved the learning curve as to magic. Showing one the way as opposed to it simply (or oftentimes "not so simply") :D explaining it in a book, is a better way to learn something, anything.

Now, I know that there are those that feel they learn better from reading it, and bless them on that for them, but by & large that is not the case for most others nowadays. :) There are infinitely more people interested, motivated, encouraged as to magic because it has shined a brave new light on how it can be learned. You've often heard told how difficult it was for some people to understand the explanations and drawings in Bobo's. Yeah, some people pick it up quickly, but a lot of people don't, and that's OK too. They just needed another more creative form of being able to learn the stuff. :)

Now, you don't have to hope you make it to a lecture or perhaps be engaged in a magic club to learn this stuff, and still perform it pretty well. You can pop in a DVD, or watch a lecture online, download instant video instruction, etc., all because of the progress of technology. Even great magic books themselves have given way to a new day, just check Lybrary.com to see how even the reading and access of this information has been transformed via the technology for improved edification.

Despite it still being a nice thing to curl up with a good book to learn this stuff, I think where we are now is a better place. Reading is still fundamental but so is progress…"Forward" is always a better destination in this life, as to magic, as to anything. :)

So yeah, this DVD set from Ben moved the needle quite a bit on an old book that was a first step (or at least A step) for thousands in coin magic. It has certainly proved most helpful and encouraging, and should be on everyone's magic book shelf as required reading, or something like that. :D Thank you, Ben. :)

Good Morning. :)
Message: Posted by: MarkSpitzer (May 7, 2014 05:44AM)
Before I start my rant, I would like to say that the DVD set is excellent.

Rant:
Many threads here and on multiple other sites (believe it or not, there are other Magic forums, lol) have had the general theme "A is better than/offers more than B", or, "I learn better with A than B".

I assert that we learn better by using 'A AND B".

Books, IMO, offer the greatest bang for the buck.
Video offers me more "Holy Moley! I HAVE to learn that (sleight, flourish, effect, routine) !!!" moments than any picture in a book.
Relying solely on one drops out a lot of possibilities in our advancement in the Art.

I (with caution) assert that we learn BEST by using "A, B, AND C", where "C" is a mentor.
We have easy access (within reason) to Books and Videos; few of us have the opportunity to be mentored, and I think one reason for this is:

WE HAVE FAILED TO SUPPORT THE BRICK AND MORTAR STORES WHERE ACTUAL MAGICIANS ARE PRESENT.
No store in your town, no hangout, no magnet-attractor for Magi to visit and hang out.

There are no magic shops anywhere near my area. (Mike Ammar, come back to Bluefield WV, lol!)
I support magicians directly in my purchases. I have purchased directly from Nathan Kranzo, Michael Ammar, Eric Jones, Vinny Marini and others, avoiding mail-order mega companies.
When I read posts like "It's on Amazon for $17 + shipping, cheapest price on the net." I want to scream. OK, I do, but no one hears me here in this padded cell.
With respect to Magic, shopping Amazon is shooting ALL of us in the foot... a poor way to do a bullet catch.
With legitimate products, it guts the magic community. With rip=off products (like the crap ITR's from "overseas") it guts the community AND the individual creators.

SUPPORT magicians directly. SUPPORT the brick and mortar shops. BUY the book, BUY the video and you will increase the likelihood of finding a mentor who is willing to spend the time and attention for your progress.

Shopping for the cheapest price, buying copied items, obtaining materials by theft (not addressed in this particular rant), and in general going low-ball and being exclusively self-serving will not endear one to any potential mentor.
A plus B plus C works best.

Rant ends.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (May 7, 2014 08:11AM)
MS, you make a lot of good points here, and I guess I support the romantic notion you illustrate. But the craft has somewhat canabalized itself in the wake of the progress of the technology affecting the art. It's like trying to stop a brush fire. Mix in cheaper products brought about by almost everyone being a competitor nowadays (even the trade and WTB crowd here on the Café), and it all interrupt the flow of proper reward back to the creators.

I miss the old Brick & Mortar shops myself, and you're right, it was a real gathering place for the young and old, a great place to learn and interact as to the art. That said, I haven't been to one in a long while, even now and I do live near enough to a couple still in business.

Mentors are great, and I hope to be one, one day. I didn't have one growing up, hardly even had anyone else in my neighborhood I could even talk to about magic. Just had a local library with one book, that I took out and always excitedly read over and over again. I wish I had had more.

Well, now we do, and you are not alone like I was. Guess everything in moderation, but it's hard to not reach out and touch some of the things that bring magic to life nowadays. Still, your call here is a noble one, my friend, even though it is nearly impossible to close such a Pandora's box here…And it was pretty hard for Adam & Eve as well after eating that apple, as I remember it. :)

Good talk. :)
Message: Posted by: Wizzard (May 8, 2014 11:55AM)
Just found this: http://madhattermagicshop.com/magicshop/product_info.php?products_id=3361
Great price for this set.

John
Message: Posted by: Tom the Enchanter (May 9, 2014 06:39PM)
I had the same experience growing up as MB. I didn't know anyone who did magic and only had the books I could find in my school library to learn from. And I was so often frustrated by unclear descriptions of moves, as well as small illustrations that didn't illustrate much of anything. I never had anyone to show me how to actually do something. I think the best book I ever got when I was younger was the Stars of Magic book which was excellent. But even with that book there were points where I wasn't really understanding what was being described. And I don't believe that I am obtuse or unintelligent. I just have a hard time following along with a written description. But since the advent of video, my skill level has increased by leaps and bounds. I don't think there is any substitute for seeing someone actually demonstrate a move in front of you. That's why I like the Modern Coin Magic set so much, and I own the book as well. But I didn't learn much from the book until I saw the moves actually demonstrated. I agree that we ought to buy books to support fellow magicians and support the craft of magic in general, but I don't spend anywhere near as much time studying tricks in books as I do studying tricks on DVDs, because that isn't how I (or how many others) learn best.
Message: Posted by: pieaddict (Apr 21, 2015 03:03AM)
I've just got this dvd set. The points made in the post above me are bang on. Another good thing about this dvd is its very watchable and very well presented.
Message: Posted by: pieaddict (Apr 21, 2015 05:30AM)
I have actually sneaked this in to work to practice with at lunch, however I have forgot to bring a coin.
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Apr 21, 2015 02:31PM)
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, pieaddict wrote:
I have actually sneaked this in to work to practice with at lunch, however I have forgot to bring a coin. [/quote]

That could be a slight disadvantage ;) When I used to do the same thing (forget my halves or dollars at home) I'd look around for an alternative... washers, poker chips, pocket change assuming there are large enough coins in circulation, whatever. You can practice without a coin as well: working on the movements required for a routine is never a bad idea. One tip on this though, is to make sure you are not seen waving your arms around like you're working on the floating spell at Hogwarts!
Message: Posted by: pieaddict (Apr 21, 2015 02:38PM)
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, CarpetShark wrote:
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, pieaddict wrote:
I have actually sneaked this in to work to practice with at lunch, however I have forgot to bring a coin. [/quote]

That could be a slight disadvantage ;) When I used to do the same thing (forget my halves or dollars at home) I'd look around for an alternative... washers, poker chips, pocket change assuming there are large enough coins in circulation, whatever. You can practice without a coin as well: working on the movements required for a routine is never a bad idea. One tip on this though, is to make sure you are not seen waving your arms around like you're working on the floating spell at Hogwarts! [/quote]

I ended up using my IPOD nano (the little square one). I am not too bothered about been seen waving my arms, my boss has often walked in on me air guitaring to john lee hooker