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Topic: Invisible Readings & Shoutout to Enrique
Message: Posted by: Marqus (May 9, 2014 07:37AM)
I've decided to buckle down & get really serious about giving readings.
Over the years I've bought some Richard Webster stuff (which is good), Passages by Gail Sheehy (which I haven't read), System 88, Bautu, and Invisble Readings.

I think my problem is I'm overwhelming myself with different systems, leading to bottlenecking inside my head.

So last week I decided to re-read Enrique Enriguez's Invisible Readings. I have about 3 more chapters to read but I just had to post that this is a terrific approach and excellent writing of his system! I now it's been said before but his insights are gold! I will try to use his methods but I'm eager to get his 'Looking at the Marseilles Tarot' but I can't seem to find it.

I did see it at www.mindseyeview.com/marseilles-tarot.html but I emailed first to see if they're 'alive' or not & the email bounced back.

If Enrique or anyone out there knows of a way to get this book, please let me know.

FYI - I also re-read Bautu again (before I started reading Invisible Readings) & also popped in the CD. Scott sounds like he will be helpful with my quest, too. Bautu seems 'deep' but I never listened to the CDs in conjunction with the book.

Right now though, I am searching for LOOKING AT THE MARSEILLES TAROT by Enrique Enriguez.
If anyone can push me in the right direction, it will be appreciated.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: kannon (May 9, 2014 08:31AM)
Invisible Readings and literally everything and anything by Enrique is fantastic, beautiful and worthy of careful time and study.

Yeah the shop is still ALIVE, I've PM'd you their contact email.
Message: Posted by: mrkmarik (May 9, 2014 08:43AM)
Enrique recently organized a lecture in NYC for Yov Ben Dov and his brilliant book on Marseille Tarot http://www.amazon.com/Yoav-Ben-Dov/e/B00DO4S2YA you will read a very good revew by Enrique
Marqus I hope it will be your last purchase;) then go outside and do readings practice is a best teacher
Message: Posted by: B. Morrison (May 9, 2014 08:46AM)
[quote]Right now though, I am searching for LOOKING AT THE MARSEILLES TAROT by Enrique Enriguez.
If anyone can push me in the right direction, it will be appreciated.
Thanks [/quote]

Enrique's Marseilles Tarot book can be found at www.mindseyeview.com, which appears to be a sister site geared towards the general public.

I'm guessing that's what the "mev" in "mevproshop" stands for.

Incidentally, I just sent an email to info@mindseyeview.com, and it seems to be working.


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Message: Posted by: Marqus (May 9, 2014 09:29AM)
Andy, Thanks for the email tip.

Mrkmarik, you are absolutely right about taking action (i got that 'magician' mindset that's hard to shake)

B. Morrison, "mev = minds eye view" - thanks for opening my eyes. I always wondered about that 'mev' prefix.
Message: Posted by: bdekolta (May 9, 2014 11:15AM)
Look and think about what you have. System 88 and Bauta are tools that can be applied to any reading. Invisible Readings the same to a degree. You need to learn at least one system and then begin applying the tools to that system. But you may find you don't need to!
Message: Posted by: Marqus (May 9, 2014 12:16PM)
Thanks, Dan.

I HAVE TOO MUCH STUFF!

I forgot to mention: Kadar is over the Atlantic Ocean & on its way over here to me.
More overload!

But at least Kadar will be treasured as a piece of art.

You guys are great with all your help!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 9, 2014 12:34PM)
...to tempt you with one more thing (but you will find it usable, entertaining and educational) is Enrique's Tarology dvd...should be on amazon if nowhere else...
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (May 9, 2014 02:01PM)
Learn a really simple, normal system. Nothing fancy. Then you can get on with giving readings, instead of reading about giving readings.

After that, reading about giving readings will be useful as opposed to an ever increasing circle.
Message: Posted by: MatCult (May 9, 2014 02:05PM)
^ This. Absolutely this.
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (May 9, 2014 05:06PM)
I'm with Marqus 100%.
I know way to many super-cool reading systems. I have also recently been re-reading "Invisible Readings" and "Bauta" and they are amazing. I like system88 fine, but WTYF is really great.

...on my way to buy tarology.
Message: Posted by: Marqus (May 10, 2014 04:17PM)
Yes, Iain - the Tarology DVD is on my list.

Also on my list is your TPR.
Message: Posted by: John C (May 11, 2014 05:45AM)
[quote]On May 10, 2014, Marqus wrote:
Yes, Iain - the Tarology DVD is on my list.

Also on my list is your TPR. [/quote]


I thought you had too much stuff? hahahahaha
Message: Posted by: H2Odesign (Jun 21, 2014 03:35PM)
[quote]On May 9, 2014, Marqus wrote:
I've decided to buckle down & get really serious about giving readings.
Over the years I've bought some Richard Webster stuff (which is good), Passages by Gail Sheehy (which I haven't read), System 88, Bautu, and Invisible Readings.
[/quote]
Marqus
Sorry I'm a bit late on the reply:
You mentioned Bauta but have you considered The Vitruvian Square by the same artist/author Scott Grossberg?

There is a basic system based on numerology using the Lo Shu square, but can later be can be expanded to include almost any other reading system or cards.
I have been working with VS from the time it was released and I have yet to exhaust it's possibilities.

For instance, last week I came across an idea to incorporate a lovely little game from Craig Conley (Prof. Oddfellow) called The X-O-Skeleton Story Generator into readings for young adults or teenagers.
http://www.oneletterwords.com/weblog/?c=TicTacToe

This system is so magical and Scott's book is replete with many variations on the original theme; likely I will be using and adapting it as long as I have the breath to give readings.
Larry
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Jun 24, 2014 12:55PM)
Thank you, Marqus and Larry.
Message: Posted by: insight (Jun 24, 2014 04:17PM)
I echo H20design's sentiment. A gem that I think is often overlooked is The Vitruvian Square, and yes, it does have limitless possibilities! I highly recommend it, as I think it is undervalued and underpublicized for what it brings to the game.

Regards,
Mike

[quote]On Jun 21, 2014, H2Odesign wrote:
[quote]On May 9, 2014, Marqus wrote:
I've decided to buckle down & get really serious about giving readings.
Over the years I've bought some Richard Webster stuff (which is good), Passages by Gail Sheehy (which I haven't read), System 88, Bautu, and Invisible Readings.
[/quote]
Marqus
Sorry I'm a bit late on the reply:
You mentioned Bauta but have you considered The Vitruvian Square by the same artist/author Scott Grossberg?

There is a basic system based on numerology using the Lo Shu square, but can later be can be expanded to include almost any other reading system or cards.
I have been working with VS from the time it was released and I have yet to exhaust it's possibilities.

For instance, last week I came across an idea to incorporate a lovely little game from Craig Conley (Prof. Oddfellow) called The X-O-Skeleton Story Generator into readings for young adults or teenagers.
http://www.oneletterwords.com/weblog/?c=TicTacToe

This system is so magical and Scott's book is replete with many variations on the original theme; likely I will be using and adapting it as long as I have the breath to give readings.
Larry [/quote]
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Jun 26, 2014 12:13PM)
Thank you, Mike.

Guys, please know that there are some FREE resources for both The Vitruvian Square and The Deck of Shadows to be found at:

http://scottgrossberg.wordpress.com

In addition to my normal blog articles, there are some things to find there to enhance your use of both these items.

Enjoy.
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jun 26, 2014 12:28PM)
That's what's great about the road of excess... it can also lead to enlightenment!
Everything feeds everything else... In TPR you'll definitely find inspiration from EE as well as Richard, Ron, Scott, "Bev," Mr. Riggs and many others.
It's absolutely certain that the best and fastest way to give good readings is to learn and use a system... any system.

But that system will evolve and grow with you as you study everybody's work. It's a definitely a journey as much as a destination.

d
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 26, 2014 02:24PM)
[quote]On May 9, 2014, bevbevvybev wrote:
Learn a really simple, normal system. Nothing fancy. Then you can get on with giving readings, instead of reading about giving readings.

After that, reading about giving readings will be useful as opposed to an ever increasing circle. [/quote]

This may sound like a lowly daft question but, when we talk about "systems" we are talking about:

Reading cards, numerology
Reading Aoras
Reading Palms
Reading faces
The Virtuvian square
Graphology

Would this be correct?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 26, 2014 03:50PM)
Yes - a system, an oracle, a framework... basically means "learn the rules of the game"...
Message: Posted by: John C (Jun 27, 2014 07:17AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, IAIN wrote:
Yes - a system, an oracle, a framework... basically means "learn the rules of the game"... [/quote]

What system Iain do you find is most accessible. Meaning without any troubling the participant. I am leaning towards playing card cartomancy. They are always accessible and quite normal. During the course of a card effect a reading could be established.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 07:23AM)
I have had roman Catholics say they were against tarot, but they were fine with cartomancy...

but I know some religions are against any kind of readings...

so why not learn graphology instead?
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 08:10AM)
With regard to Roman Catholics I once gave a nun a reading! As for graphology the best book on the subject is by Ariel Frailich called "Reading Writing" I can recommend it thoroughly. I have actually been on television doing graphology readings but of course I was faking it! Mind you, it went over very well!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 08:10AM)
The other thing to consider is john, and its the bigger question - is why do you want to give readings?
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 08:37AM)
If you learn the Tarot you are automically ready to do playing card readings anyway since regular cards come from the Tarot (or is it the other way round-I always forget). The only problem with playing cards is that you do not get the Major ARcana in a regular deck and this does limit the reading somewhat. Still, I have done this on occasion and it does work.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 08:43AM)
I don't agree, you use the court cards from a regular deck...these can be used in a similar way to the majors...
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 09:27AM)
Yes. But if you do that then you limit yourself in another way. You now have no PEOPLE! The King of Staves is the King of Clubs, the Knight of Cups is the Jack of Hearts. What have you done to them? Where are they? I suppose you could double up by giving a court card a major arcana meaning and a people meaning but that seems to be a very cumbersome procedure to me. And moreover there are 22 cards in the Major ARcana and only 12 court cards in a regular deck.

I can do playing card readings and indeed do them very well. Oddly enough I did a playing card reading the other day when Paul R Wilson was present although he was not the querent. It worked very well and the querent sent me a message later saying that although he was a sceptic he was astonished by the reading. However, Tarot readings are far superior.

I really am terribly good at this, you know and you should listen to the advice of a master.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 09:36AM)
The court cards are full of people, and for me they are all about how a family interact with one another as well as what they mean as individuals - family dynamic vs the individual...

it depends on what method you are using the read the playing cards...
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 09:44AM)
Yes. The court cards ARE full of people! And I think you are full of it too. But if you are saying the court cards are people what happens to the Hanged Man, the Tower Card, the Sun card etc;? They can't be people but simultaneously be the Major Arcana too. People are in the minor arcana.

My point is that although it is a nice thing to be able to read playing cards in a pinch as a substitute for the Tarot you are far better off with the latter rather than the former. Besides the "vibes" jump out at you better with the Tarot.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 09:48AM)
Never said they could be attributed to the major arcana, I just said they can be used like the major arcana...massive difference you silly old goat...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 09:52AM)
And by silly old goat, I mean mark Lewis...

that's you that is...
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 12:45PM)
It appears that Iain is jumping to conclusions concerning my identity. He is adding up two and two and getting five. In other words he is quite WRONG. I am NOT Mark Lewis! It does make one wonder a trifle about his ability to do psychic readings. I think an abject apology is in order.

But let us get back to the Tarot and regular playing cards. I shall repeat my point as I am getting a psychic vibe he is a little slow on the uptake. How on earth can you say court cards are people AND ALSO then say that they are representing the major arcana? You can't have it both ways. My point is that without the major arcana playing cards are very limited and not quite as powerful.

Now if you are NOT saying that the court cards represent the major arcana then what the hell are you talking about by saying that they can be used instead? I do hope your readings show a bit more clarity when you do them for your clients. I must say that this section of the magic Café has always amused me. Everyone talks about readings yet I have not seen the slightest evidence that anyone knows the slightest thing about them.

I do though............................
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 12:53PM)
Well, if you contact mark lewis, and tell him to read the pdf I gave him months ago, maybe he would be able to tell you how...

just in case you are finding it hard to follow. the two posts I had made about the subject are as follows:
"I don't agree, you use the court cards from a regular deck...these can be used in a similar way to the majors..."
please note the term 'similar', if you have a dictionary to hand, please look up that word.

i also said:
"The court cards are full of people, and for me they are all about how a family interact with one another as well as what they mean as individuals - family dynamic vs the individual...it depends on what method you are using the read the playing cards..."

if you have trouble understanding any of the above words or sentences, please get in touch.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 01:03PM)
I should also add, that even if you think I know nothing, richard webster thought I did a good job in writing up my own method for reading playing cards, in fact he said this about it:

"I've read your Metaph Oracle three times now, and learned a great deal each time. I love the imagination approach to readings. I love your three card reading format. I love the balance idea, and also love the reaction these readings create in others. You've removed the whole "fortune telling" aspect of the reading, and created a process of mutual discovery. The readings are enchanting, magical, helpful, and inspirational. I'm going to use your system regularly.

Congratulations! This is a major advance in cartomancy, and should feel very proud. Thank you very much once again. I hope you do really well with this."

so there..
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 01:06PM)
I'm not sure if this is the tarot course that mark lewis had burned to dvd for me many years ago - but this might be of use to someone...
http://www.internationalmagic.com/product-tarot-reading-for-entertainment---mark-lewis.html
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 01:18PM)
Mr Lewis is a very busy man and has board meetings to attend. I suspect he would be bored meeting you. However, I do not know the gentleman personally and have no wish to disturb him. I still want to know how court cards can be used in a similar way to the Major Arcana and at the same time represent people. When I do readings the court cards (which are actually represented in the Tarot too as knights, queens and kings, with an extra category which is pages)are people just as you do. But there is no major arcana in a regular deck so the readings cannot possibly be as powerful.

Show me how the court cards can represent sacrifice in the same way that the Hanged man does? Show me how court cards can represent victory after a struggle like the Chariot Card does. Show me how court cards can represent the death of the old and the beginning of the new in the same way that the Death card can do.

Dearie me no. These are the sort of readings that magic Café readers do in pubs and bars. Rather silly entertainment sessions which last 5 minutes or so. And spending money on silly books and leaflets which do not explain things in the proper manner and teach short silly sessions instead of how do advanced work which means 30 minute to one hour sessions.

No. That sort of thing requires erudite and intuitive people like me to explain these matters to the uninitiated. Alas I haven't seen any on this section.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 01:20PM)
I fear a dictionary would be useless to you if you cannot understand the word similar.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 01:21PM)
Its under the letter S, if you get stuck.
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 01:27PM)
Very well. Since you evoke the holy name of Richard Webster who can do no wrong I shall contact Mr Lewis if he is still alive to see if he can find whatever it was you sent him. I shall get his opinion on the matter. As to the International Magic DVDs I have been led to understand that Mr Lewis has a large number of them in stock and would be happy to sell them direct and deprive International Magic of well deserved revenue after they worked him to death in London. And no. These DVDs are new ones altogether and are not connected with the 1993 course which is the best in the industry although the least known. And better value since they are much cheaper and twice as long. 2 hours in length to be exact. Here is an excerpt from such:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnsjG6SRXRY

And:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4yBOE9kUj0

And of course I have been led to believe he has the 1993 course too. Five DVDs and two audio CDs.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jun 27, 2014 01:32PM)
Thank you gentlemen, the last group of posts have put a smile on my face as well as have me thinking.
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jun 27, 2014 03:38PM)
Me too.
However, although I thought you had Jem, Iain, you lost points for your Argument to Authority by invoking Mr. Webster-- and double points for it being a blatant plug for your own work!
:)

That said, these kinds of spats become mute after absorbing the work of EE who will help you find the Major Arcana in whatever oracle you like.

d
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 27, 2014 03:47PM)
I find you have to invoke something when dealing with a demon that is visiting the earth for a short while...

so I thought I'd play it at its own game, and instead of talking about the demon, I'd just plug me for a change, I definitely try not to do that kind of thing...


if you study e.e. long enough, you find out you are a living tarot!
Message: Posted by: jeremymar (Jun 27, 2014 07:41PM)
I quite agree with the sentiments expressed about undue promotion of one's wares. I personally would never dream of doing such a thing. However, since the unholy name of Mr Lewis seems to have been mentioned not by me but somebody else I can only say that his psychic material is the finest there is and I can say with 100% accuracy that it is indeed equal to my own.

But here is a review of his 1998 course by Eric Haddix the owner of a now defunct cold reading group.

"Upon hearing Mark say that it'd take 6 months to digest all of what was on his tapes, I was a little sceptical but I didn't dismiss it immediately as the time I've known him, he's been very informative about many things in this field. I'm glad I didn't ignore his advice since it took about 6 months to take everything in and another couple months to be able to put all of it together into a review that I could write.

Mark begins his course with a very good primer on numerology, then palmistry and then followed by the tarot. The video on numerology, (60 mins), is the Chinese system of numerology and is excellent because it covers many of the basics that other courses forget about: what the basic personality types are and how they are used in a reading. This is considered the quickest type of reading and only takes five to ten minutes to do but to do these that quickly and with any degree of accuracy, you need to spend some time learning the system and Mark elaborates on it quite well.

Next, the palmistry video, (60 mins), teaches the very basics of reading palms. Mark does a fine job of explaining how this system works as well as the "other uses" of palmistry including its usefulness in information gathering. This is probably the system you will want to study the most because you have so much to gain by using it since palmistry is the most "romantic" of the reading systems and will likely be the most requested upon an initial meeting.

The final video tape of the teaching segment is on tarot readings, (90 mins). Mark outdoes himself by teaching things that not only make the reading good, but also simple for the average reader. He gives several tarot spreads and describes all of their uses as well as describing the different tarot decks available. This tape is full of hints that no other teacher has dared to even say exist.

There is also included a fantastic little CD which covers ethics and other aspects of being a psychic reader. To sum it up, Mark has compiled some of the best info you will ever find in one course and he has taken all the guesswork out of learning this extensive field and made it available to those who want to entertain with these skills."
Message: Posted by: H2Odesign (Jun 30, 2014 08:16AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2014, dmoses wrote:
That said, these kinds of spats become mute after absorbing the work of EE who will help you find the Major Arcana in whatever oracle you like.
[/quote]
Quite nicely stated dmoses.

I have finished my first reading of INVISIBLE READINGS by Enrique, and about to start his INVISIBLE TAROT READINGS and begin to reread IR.
His theories of reading are, almost, incomprehensible and simultaneously extraordinary (and a mention in passing with TAROLOGY: I have decided to skip to page 59 and the chapter "Reading, Teaching, Learning" because the rest mostly makes my head swirl :0) - I need to find that inner poet!)

As I am very slow, this will take some time to ingest, digest, incorporate and implement.
Larry