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Topic: Killer Clowns
Message: Posted by: WayneCapps (Jun 11, 2014 07:21PM)
Hey everyone, one of my signature close up/story telling effects called "Killer Clowns" is now available through Gemini Artifacts. I am very excited to be partnering with this great company! I have been performing this effect for years and it is now available to the public. The Effect: 24 criminal psychological test cards, all with hand drawn cards featuring clowns, some drawn by children, some drawn by serial killers. The test provides a bizarre insight into a person's inner thoughts and an insight to their true desires to either lean toward evil/destructive tendencies or toward good. The effect features actual drawings by Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy and never fails to wow the unsuspecting test candidate. We hope you guys like it!

http://geminiartifacts.com/artifacts/divination-tools/product/120-killer-clowns
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Jun 11, 2014 07:31PM)
I LOVE the sound of this ! Especially anything with killer clowns :-)
Heading over to GA to order this now -
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Jun 11, 2014 07:33PM)
Is this a twist on *OT* ?
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jun 11, 2014 07:46PM)
The coulrophobic in me loves this. Thanks. Maybe my picture can be added to these one day
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Jun 11, 2014 07:56PM)
Hello is this really based on a true criminal psychological test?
Message: Posted by: WayneCapps (Jun 11, 2014 08:02PM)
No it is not Darkness but the story and cards look authentic.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jun 11, 2014 08:02PM)
Boring practical question: what kind of stock is it printed on?
Message: Posted by: Vic Nadata (Jun 11, 2014 08:18PM)
The cards are tarot sized and printed on the same stock as Poe brainwave which is a standard card stock with a lovely linen finish.
Message: Posted by: reese (Jun 11, 2014 08:47PM)
Sounds sick & brilliant. That & Vic's rep + the fact that I'll use this often ( don't ask why the killer clown theme works for me ) makes it a winner! Ordered.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jun 11, 2014 08:54PM)
There are a lot of folks here who hate the "I just pushed the PayPal button on this" type of posts...and I for the most part agree (and I'm probably one of the main perpetrators)...an emphasis on the commercial aspect of this craft may demean the more vital performance aspect. However, in this case, I am proud of myself for pushing the PayPal button. I hate clowns. Fear them. Their presence is far worse for me than any other real or imagined entity.

My problem. Not yours.

Yet, I looked at these props and was drawn to them. Especially the applications of different depictions of clowns. I like the idea of different sources for the artwork...so many story opportunities. So in the hopes of conquering my fears, I pushed the button.
Message: Posted by: themaurie (Jun 11, 2014 10:43PM)
This is so cool! What a great idea! Love it!
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Jun 12, 2014 07:48AM)
Split Reality is one of the very first mentalism pieces I ever bought.

As a photgrapher myself I appreciated the work and effort that went into the images as much as the routine itself.
A great piece of work J.


steve
Message: Posted by: WayneCapps (Jun 12, 2014 07:50AM)
This is certainly not a rip off. Jeff and I discussed this last year when I started thinking about releasing it. I have been doing this effect since 2004 (and have proof in my older computer files). When he first found out about I told him I had no idea about his ebook and what it contained. This effect came about after I watched a documentary about serial killers (specifically John Wayne Gacy and Charles Manson) and it talked about their artwork, Manson's work goes for an outrageous prices and Gacy was known for painting clowns. That was back in 2004 and if anything I drew my inspiration from Lebanon Circle's From Hell which was always one of my go to routines. Dan and I have been discussing this release over the last couple years. I printed my own version back then and have been refining this over the years. Killer Clowns is an independent creation with using a method that is used in several effects.
Message: Posted by: Al Desmond (Jun 12, 2014 08:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, WayneCapps wrote:
This is certainly not a rip off. Jeff and I discussed this last year when I started thinking about releasing it. I have been doing this effect since 2004 (and have proof in my older computer files). When he first found out about I told him I had no idea about his ebook and what it contained. This effect came about after I watched a documentary about serial killers (specifically John Wayne Gacy and Charles Manson) and it talked about their artwork, Manson's work goes for an outrageous prices and Gacy was known for painting clowns. That was back in 2004 and if anything I drew my inspiration from Lebanon Circle's From Hell which was always one of my go to routines. Dan and I have been discussing this release over the last couple years. I printed my own version back then and have been refining this over the years. Killer Clowns is an independent creation with using a method that is used in several effects. [/quote]

A simple question. Are the picture side of the cards m***ed so the performer doesn't have to look at the backs of the cards while going through the "sorting."
Message: Posted by: WayneCapps (Jun 12, 2014 09:13AM)
Hey Al, they are not but, there is a m***ing method that I talk about in the manual. Long story short, you do not have to look at the back while showing the cards. If you want specifics, just PM me.
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jun 12, 2014 09:18AM)
Thanks Steven!

Your words are greatly appreciated!

J
Message: Posted by: themaurie (Jun 12, 2014 02:36PM)
The art looks so great. Everybody loves a clown, right?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jun 12, 2014 09:03PM)
“There’s Nothing Funny About a Clown in the Moonlight”-Lon Chaney

I'm in.
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Jun 15, 2014 11:28AM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2014, Stephen Young wrote:
Split Reality is one of the very first mentalism pieces I ever bought.

As a photgrapher myself I appreciated the work and effort that went into the images as much as the routine itself.
A great piece of work J.


steve [/quote]

Im not sure I understand the relavence here. Did he create OOTW? Does his use clown images? This has got to be the most loose reference I have ever seen. What is the connection? I have used Killer Clowns for many years. I sat at IBM meetings where the images were offered free along with a how to print them on card stock etc well before the release of the mentioned ebook. ...not that this needs defending as I still do not understand the connection. Is it simply that both are using OOTW method in a spooky setting? I can think of quite a few effects that fall into this catagory. When someone releases an effect it is a big day for them. I just want to make sure it is clear why exactly his day has been soiled with what was written to imply that he copied this effect in some fashion. If anything is so similar that it could be considered a copy - I have known WC for a long time and assure you it was not intentional and credit will be given. (not credited for inspiration but for existing in a main stream format)

On a positive note - this plays very well. I am really glad to finally see an official release. I have been bugging him for years to do something with it. I understand some of the images have been remasted from the 04 version and I love the tarot card stock over using playing cards. I have an order in already and Im expecting it any day. The longest I have ever waited for something from Gemini was 10 days. I usually get it in 3 days or less. (they are only 1 state away from me so it is usually the next day) This will definitely go into my everyday backpack. I hope nobody else puts their magic in a backpack or you will be hearing from me!
Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Jun 16, 2014 11:44AM)
Zoop, much of this thread has been deleted. You have a fraction of the story. Relax.
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Jun 16, 2014 08:08PM)
Im always relaxed :) ...except in haunted houses. Then I am a tramplesteam. Got the official manual on this today. Very nice, guys!
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jun 16, 2014 10:45PM)
I performed this tonight for several friends...upon the proper friend and it was a great success.

People have very strong emotions about clowns.
I offered it completely as a test of the "propensity towards evil tendencies".

It really does...pardon the pun...kill.
Admittedly I have a long background in the study of Clowning so I can honestly and easily blabber on about its history so this effect fits me well.

I realize that I suddenly have a real collection of OOTW effects. I can cover the topics of Jack the Ripper, the Titanic even Plants and Herbs among others.

I like these clowns very much. I want to find a tiny car that they all fit in.

Congrats Wayne and Vic!
Message: Posted by: WayneCapps (Jun 17, 2014 12:11PM)
That is great Eddie! I am glad you like them. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Jun 28, 2014 03:05PM)
I am doing this effect all day today in my store if you are in the area (Charleston, SC). So far it has played very well. Kids like 12 and up and adults have all liked it a lot. One girl who was about 13 or 14 was a bit spooked by it and required a Svengali routine after to make her happy again. Best for adults but I always like to test things on a couple kids if its not to scary as they tend to be brutally honest if there is a flaw in your presentation.
Message: Posted by: Brynmore14 (Jun 29, 2014 05:28AM)
Brutal honesty indeed. Kids have been my toughest crowd, but also my easiest. They tend to be either one or the other.
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jun 29, 2014 10:53PM)
Had to order after hearing these great reviews. Looking forward to receiving this. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jun 30, 2014 12:44AM)
Silvertongue! You are going to love these cards.
The look upon the spectators face when they realize that have been attracted to the killer clowns is rare.
I love this set.
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Jul 1, 2014 06:03PM)
I came up with a reading system for this that can be done from the images very easily. I have done this effect about 30 or so times in the last few days and found it to be very useful. I think it has been added to the dropbox where you downloaded the manual. You can use it to do the effect without the need to remember or position a marker or as a fail safe if a mark is forgotten. I normally allow the spec to hold the cards and make the piles themselves and every now and then they get a little excited when putting them down and cards can get mixed. I hope this helps. Response to this effect has been very positive in fast and slow performance styles for a large variety of people. I am in a high tourist traffic area and so I get a broad mix of people coming in.
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jul 1, 2014 07:32PM)
What type of store do you work in ZoOpDoG?
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Jul 1, 2014 08:03PM)
Curiosity shop that focuses on the supernatural, spiritual, magical. We are the only magic shop in the area. Also the only place for occult supplies etc. I have a pretty large collection of spooky themed mentalism effects here as well.
Message: Posted by: SatanicBurrito (Jul 6, 2014 12:29AM)
I really like this concept for an effect! Trying to think of variations on this theme - using photos of normal people vs serial killers, other drawing or doodles... but I think you can't beat the creep factor of clowns! And I think shrinking the effect down to 24 cards (assuming 20 choices) makes it a better presentation. Impressed!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Aug 20, 2016 02:43PM)
I just purchased this from a Café member. I am so excited about it! Love the cards!

It looks like it is no longer in production. That is too bad.

I don't care for the method, but these are OOTW cards, so they can be used with any method. I have a couple methods that I really like

KJ
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 24, 2016 12:46AM)
I have been playing around with these, and I am really enjoying them. I purchased a little tin wind up clown on a motorcycle that I am using to close the routine. the one problem I have with the routine is people want to linger on the cards and they sometimes remember certain cards and what they thought they were. For this reason, I have the toy to shift the interest from the creepy "train wreck" obsession to something more light-hearted that closes the routine.
KJ
Message: Posted by: DocBenWiz (Sep 24, 2016 01:44AM)
Since I present it an example of one of the training and assessment tools of the FBI (i.e.testing aptitude of potential agents for inttuitively recognizing possible serial killers), I carry the cards and materials in a vintage leather portfolio with a genuine FBI training division decal on it. Also within are a couple of official (genuine) basic FBI booklets describing some of their training procedures, etc and I also have a copy of an olde paperback book written by a formed FBI agent on, famous serial killer cases.
So, after the revelation the above materials are passed to the spectator(s) to peruse, providing sometime delay and divert attention from examining or reviewing the cards and their choices of cards.

Good luck with your ideas which sound useful.
Bill Meeker ("Doc Ben")


:thumbsup: :cowboy:
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 24, 2016 10:54PM)
That sounds great, Bill.
KJ
Message: Posted by: Hondo88 (Feb 14, 2018 09:31AM)
I loved Doc's idea so much I found the following on ebay:
Message: Posted by: Hondo88 (Feb 14, 2018 09:32AM)
More:
Message: Posted by: Hondo88 (Feb 14, 2018 09:33AM)
Goes nicely with Doc's story. Also found a pdf about serial murderers online through a Google search that I printed to keep in the portfolio.

Thanks for the great ideas, Doc. This is fun to perform.
Message: Posted by: tvbuzz (Feb 16, 2018 06:20PM)
WTB ....These Killer Clowns ... they’re killing me ... got to have it.

PM me if you’re looking to part ways, will throw in a “CCS” (clown clearing spell) with payment to insure no ill effects (comes with 99% guaranteed clearing)
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Feb 16, 2018 08:07PM)
Wow. I could have sworn I just saw these on Gemini Artifacts site a few days ago. Now gone. Perhaps I am going mad.
Message: Posted by: magic259 (Feb 17, 2018 05:39AM)
Vic still has them showing on his website, but currently "Sold out".

https://www.geminiartifacts.com/collections/general-bizarre/products/killer-clowns
Message: Posted by: tvbuzz (Feb 20, 2018 07:59PM)
Found @ Stevens! Huge Thank you David (FADE)
Message: Posted by: Winks (Feb 21, 2018 02:13PM)
These would go great with The Knowing Game
Message: Posted by: DocBenWiz (Feb 23, 2018 11:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2018, Hondo88 wrote:
Goes nicely with Doc's story. Also found a pdf about serial murderers online through a Google search that I printed to keep in the portfolio.

Thanks for the great ideas, Doc. This is fun to perform. [/quote]

You're welcome. One of my faves. eBay was ( always is) a great source for this!
"Doc Ben"