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Topic: English Penny stuck in Johnson Expanded S****
Message: Posted by: Caruthias (Jan 21, 2004 05:02PM)
I am faced with a problem, a BIG problem. I put a couple english pennies in with my expanded s**** in a bag (in order to do 'touch of brass' - with copper).

When I took it out, there was an english penny lodged in the s**** (despite the fact I'd put a kennedy half in the s****. The s**** is Johnson.

Does any one have any experience with this. I would like my s**** back.. I already have a copper/silver coin!

If anyone has ideas, I'll take almost anything. I am willing to ruin the penny to get the s****.
Message: Posted by: Musashi (Jan 21, 2004 05:26PM)
If you heat and then rapidly cool the nested set it should come apart. It may take a bit of work beyond that too....

Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jan 21, 2004 05:33PM)
I always carry a small pocket knife. It helps if part of the lodged coin is protruding out from the shell a bit. Then you can take the edge of the knife, place pressure on it, then you may be able to pop it out.
Message: Posted by: trickster2000 (Jan 21, 2004 05:44PM)
If you cant get it out, then you could also judst hammer it in deeper and make yourself acopper silver gimmick...
Message: Posted by: GSmithson (Jan 21, 2004 05:47PM)
Don't try to pry it out, as you will bend the rim on your special device.

Place the coin and the stuck appliance onto a suitable "bang ring" and drop it from a height of an inch or so onto a tabletop.

Be sure the coin is facing downward. It will be freed without a hitch.
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jan 21, 2004 06:02PM)
Prying it out, if you know what you are doing will not destroy your gimmick. If I drop my lassen coins, god forbid, and a coin gets lodged inside, I just pry it out carefully. Then bend the gimmick slightly with the aid of the knife just so it fits again perfectly.

But then again, that is if you are trying to get a coin made for your prop out. GSmithson's way is perfect for English pennies.
Message: Posted by: jimisolo (Jan 21, 2004 07:52PM)
Oh man, I think everyone's been down this road. :firedevil:

I ended up using a pair of pliers (to gently hold the shell with one hand), and then used a miniature flat head screwdriver (to remove the coin with the other). There did end up being a slight "warp" to the shell, but I was able to carefully bend it back perfectly - much in the manner described by Brian. The rim of the shell is the most important thing to be careful with. Bend that bad boy in, and you've got a royal pain in the rear of re-shaping job ahead of you. :whatthe:

I haven't tried the hot/cold thing, but it makes sense from a logical standpoint. :light: God forbid I should get a coin stuck again, but I'm sure that sooner or later it will happen :rolleyes: , I think I'll give that a shot. :worry:
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jan 21, 2004 07:59PM)
See earlier threads on this, someone suggested a really clever "MacGuyver" type approach, using the freezer to freeze little ice handles onto the coins so they could be twisted apart.

Clever, but I can't vouch for it yet, I haven't had to try it yet.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jan 21, 2004 08:34PM)
You can also try my olde method... put the stuck together coin/s in a thick drinking glass or coffee cup. Put one hand over the mouth and shake 'em. They should come apart. :spinningcoin: :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: Caruthias (Jan 21, 2004 09:56PM)
Thanks for the help. I pried it out with a knife. The s**** ended up slightly distorted, but got it back by tapping it gently on the table a bunch of times with slight increases in force.

I left a small nick, but it's only on the inside of the shell.

Plus, I learned my copper pennies don't fit inside it no matter what. Yargh. Alas, I'll ask Todd Lassen to make sure the shell is a little extra loose when I have the money to get a set from him.
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jan 21, 2004 10:19PM)
Do yourself a favor - actually everyone reading this, that might have this happen...

Get yourself a Johnson Bang Ring (the same one that comes with the Johnson Scotch and Soda). You can buy the bang ring itself for $6.50 [url=http://www.empiremagic.com/docs/assy19.html]Here[/url] One side of the bang ring works for Scotch and Soda, the other side of the bang ring works to bang things out of Expanded Half dollar shells.

I also had Todd Lassen make me a Silver Dollar size bang ring just incase I dropped a Morgan Shell with the coin and it lodges together.
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jan 22, 2004 03:22AM)
Thanks Dan,
That will save some trouble. :) :applause:
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jul 5, 2004 11:09PM)
Thanks Pete:

I've had this problem with a set of coins that have just stayed that way for years. Threw them in the glass and shook them around and they popped apart in about 15 seconds. They go into different holders from now on.

I actually had thought that I was the only idiot in the world that had ever done this.


Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Dawai (Jul 6, 2004 12:17AM)
You can use a hot glue to stick a flat object on both coins so you are able to pull apart the coins. The flat object you are using should be close to the size of the coin to have it work and should some so you are able to pull on.
Message: Posted by: Sirakor (Jul 6, 2004 06:40AM)
The glue approach will work, but if you own a Lassen shell, would you honestly glue something to it or 'crowbar' it apart?! I'd go with the bang ring. If you can't find a suitable ring like thing, maybe gently hold the shell with a pair of pliers, put a big cloth on your work bench and whack the pliers agains the cloth/bench, stuck coin facing downwards of course.
Message: Posted by: MAGICTOM (Jul 7, 2004 01:52PM)
This happened to me as well "ONCE" I spent 3 hours trying to get the coin out and finally I accidently dropped it and "pop" out came the coin.. just chunk it on a floor real hard and it will bounce right out.
you can repair any dings in the gimmick by placing a correct size coin in it and rolling on a hard surface.
Or get a bang ring.. I have 2 of those now *L*
Message: Posted by: Justin Hart (Jul 8, 2004 12:10PM)
Why make this complicated? Pete said it, the glass works and it's easy. I've been doing that for years and also don't ever get water involved (in between the two that is)...things get much harder at that point due to suction.

However, the glass works...don't throw your coins on the ground real hard and "hope" they come apart. You could ding it and make the jam worse because now the sides aren't symetrical.

Thanks Pete for the right way without all the fuss. Your experience is something we all should listen to.
Message: Posted by: Sirakor (Jul 8, 2004 12:44PM)
I think the bang ring is the best approach, followed by a glass, but hey just for arguments sake you could look up thermal expansion profiles for the metals (provided the stuck coin and the ] are made from different metals which is likely) and then try heating it or cooling it down with the aim of making the ] expand at a greater rate than the coin or contract the coin more than the ].

Or given enough space for capillary reaction to take place, immerse it in a suitable liquid that expands when cooled or heated which should force the two parts apart.

Hey, that stuff we learned in school has to come in useful one day doesn't it? ;-)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 10, 2004 10:09AM)
Now that you have them apart, here's a method to restore the shape of the ] and to smooth out the inside.

First, you need to get rid of any protrusions on the inside. Use a very sharp X-ActoŽ knife with a #11 blade. Place the ] on edge on a hard surface, with the offending protrusion at the point where the edge is tangent to the hard surface, and gently scrape away the offending material. Then use some extremely fine sandpaper (1500 grit) to smooth it out.

If the ] is out of round, take a coin that is smaller than the ID of the ] and place it inside the ]. Then use thumb pressure to gently push the parts that are pushed inward, outwards. Once that has been done, insert a coin of the correct size into the ] and gently tap the ] all the way around, WITHOUT causing the coin to lodge within it. When you have achieved roundness, remove the coin from the ], place one layer of a well-washed cotton or linen handkerchief on top of the coin and push the ] on top of the whole mess. You should be able to pick up the handkerchief by the edges, and cause the ] to pick the coin up through the handkerchief. If you have the Johnson Products instructions for the coins through the table, you will recognize this as the last phase of the routine.

This is the correct fit for the ]. You can use the handkerchief as a kind of shim to adjust the fit of the ].
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jul 10, 2004 03:53PM)
Add my name to the list of people who recommend using a bang ring. lol

I've also had success doing what Pete recommends.