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Topic: Tesla Motors sales restrictions
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Sep 1, 2014 06:12AM)
I did not realize this was was going on, until I was in Austin this weekend. and it was also just mentioned on the GW thread.

WTF?

What do the free marketeers here think about this?

Just more Rick Perry crony capitalism.

Sad.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 1, 2014 07:05AM)
Shouldn't there have been a link so we can see what you're writing about?
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Sep 1, 2014 07:44AM)
Https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tesla+ban
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Sep 1, 2014 09:04AM)
My son has one and Telsa. Will have to go to the surpreme court to win this battle. Eventually they will win. Car dealers are afraid they will lose their job when electric cars come of age.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Sep 1, 2014 09:44AM)
Http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/17/tesla-motors-us-sales/

[L]aws -- meant to protect car dealers -- are interfering with Tesla's ability to sell cars directly to consumers. Here's the logic of the argument against Tesla: If Tesla can sell cars directly to consumers, what stops the rest of the car industry from doing that? That is the heart of this, so let's be totally clear:

The entire argument against Tesla selling cars directly to consumers is that car dealers might have to face competition from the companies they currently represent.

That's it. It's not really about Tesla, or electric cars. It's about money. It's an argument against competition that may or may not even manifest in reality.

On the flipside, Tesla could go the franchise route and give in. But should it have to? Shouldn't Tesla be able to sell its cars directly to consumers? This side of the argument is also about money, no doubt, but there's a control aspect as well. If Tesla gives in to the franchise model, it also gives in to all the restrictions that come with it. And 50 years of political lobbying have added quite a few restrictions, largely in favor of the franchisee.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 1, 2014 10:01AM)
I complained about it in another thread. Hypocritical.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Sep 1, 2014 10:34AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:

I complained about it in another thread. Hypocritical. [/quote]
How is it hypocritical if the bans are about car dealers protecting their franchises by limiting competition, and the bans have nothing directly to do with electric cars? See above.

Not attacking, just seeking clarification.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 1, 2014 11:11AM)
It was the "let the market sort it out" crowd who seem to be doing it. I linked an article in the global warming thread. I am on my phone now so I am not able to re do that.

As I said in that thread I am a big fee market guy. Also a huge car guy. Tesla may very well lead the same aysm to help he future with this technology. It is the future. It can eventually lead us off burning gasoline in cars. I never thought I would say that about an electric car.

I love new tech. I love free markets. Usually they go hand in hand.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 1, 2014 11:22AM)
Http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html

Here is ask example Rockwall posted.
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Sep 4, 2014 06:44AM)
Balducci--

These arn't existing laws, these laws are getting passed to specifically outlaw Tesla's business model.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Sep 4, 2014 08:12AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
Balducci--

These arn't existing laws, these laws are getting passed to specifically outlaw Tesla's business model. [/quote]
I never said otherwise. And the article I linked to specifically mentioned new laws.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 4, 2014 08:26AM)
While I agree that the laws are a bad idea, the attempt to bash Texas, (and Rick Perry), is a little one sided seeing as how there are multiple states (like NJ for instance) with varying degrees of bans against sales of Tesla cars as was pointed out in a previous thread.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Sep 4, 2014 09:41AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2014, balducci wrote:
Http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/17/tesla-motors-us-sales/

[L]aws -- meant to protect car dealers -- are interfering with Tesla's ability to sell cars directly to consumers. Here's the logic of the argument against Tesla: If Tesla can sell cars directly to consumers, what stops the rest of the car industry from doing that? That is the heart of this, so let's be totally clear:

The entire argument against Tesla selling cars directly to consumers is that car dealers might have to face competition from the companies they currently represent.

That's it. It's not really about Tesla, or electric cars. It's about money. It's an argument against competition that may or may not even manifest in reality.

On the flipside, Tesla could go the franchise route and give in. But should it have to? Shouldn't Tesla be able to sell its cars directly to consumers? This side of the argument is also about money, no doubt, but there's a control aspect as well. If Tesla gives in to the franchise model, it also gives in to all the restrictions that come with it. And 50 years of political lobbying have added quite a few restrictions, largely in favor of the franchisee. [/quote]


Absolutely right!
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Sep 5, 2014 04:25AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2014, rockwall wrote:
While I agree that the laws are a bad idea, the attempt to bash Texas, (and Rick Perry), is a little one sided seeing as how there are multiple states (like NJ for instance) with varying degrees of bans against sales of Tesla cars as was pointed out in a previous thread. [/quote]

There are other states?

I thought it was quite relevant to me , you see here in Texas we hear constantly about how business friendly Father Perry is. You know, a bootstrap kinda guy who just wants the little guy to succeed, unfettered in his god given right to capitalist reward.

But don't let that distract you from a knee jerk "defend your team" reaction.

Is hypocricy more acceptable if a bigger group engages in it?

I wasn't posting about the other states. I was posting about what I know about. I konw that seems odd to you.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Sep 5, 2014 05:04AM)
Tesla sells vehicles in violation of the state’s rules limiting the annual volume of cars it can sell directly to the public, the Georgia Automobile Dealers Association said in a petition filed with the Georgia Department of Revenue.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-29/tesla-fight-erupts-in-georgia-as-dealers-seek-sales-ban.html


http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/129864/tesla-ban_large.png
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 5, 2014 07:45AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
[quote]On Sep 4, 2014, rockwall wrote:
While I agree that the laws are a bad idea, the attempt to bash Texas, (and Rick Perry), is a little one sided seeing as how there are multiple states (like NJ for instance) with varying degrees of bans against sales of Tesla cars as was pointed out in a previous thread. [/quote]

There are other states?

I thought it was quite relevant to me , you see here in Texas we hear constantly about how business friendly Father Perry is. You know, a bootstrap kinda guy who just wants the little guy to succeed, unfettered in his god given right to capitalist reward.

But don't let that distract you from a knee jerk "defend your team" reaction.

Is hypocricy more acceptable if a bigger group engages in it?

I wasn't posting about the other states. I was posting about what I know about. I konw that seems odd to you. [/quote]

Hmm, I guess you missed the part were I said, "I agree that the laws are a bad idea". Try reading a post before commenting on it and it might help.
Message: Posted by: Pecan_Creek (Sep 5, 2014 01:29PM)
Whoosh!!!