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Topic: Replica Morgan question
Message: Posted by: avik_d (Sep 6, 2014 10:36AM)
I've ordered a couple of 1899 replica Morgan Dollar coins from Amazon, and they've reached me just today. These are made somewhere in Hongkong and shipped worldwide from there. The designs in these coins are exactly like the original Morgans, with "copy" inscribed on the tail sides, so I'm legit. The edge milling and the weight are good, so these will be suitable for my purpose, i.e. sleights.

It's only that the product page described these as made of White Copper metal with worn out look. These are quite soft, but ARE MADE OF STEEL, I was sanguine after these got attracted to a magnet.

My query is simple. These coins lack the lustre of white metal, but being ferromagnetic these will be good for ditching with a magnet in my back pocket. Is this a good tradeoff? Can someone who possess this type of replica, let me know if these get rusted over time?
Message: Posted by: magicwatcher2005 (Sep 6, 2014 11:42AM)
Have them silver plated, or learn how to do it yourself. Then use commonly available chemicals to tarnish them appropriately.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 6, 2014 01:20PM)
You got yourself a good bargain for what they are and for what you might want to do with them, magically speaking. They won't rust, that's the least of your worries. :) If they feel worn and sorta soft already, then that's a good thing. And actually, it don't much matter if they are stamped "copy" or not in what you're doing with them - I have both sorts and haven't been put on the FBI Most Wanted. :D And it sounds like they are good looking enough, so go with them as they are. I've personally never done nothing to any of the ones I have to enhance them -- there really was no need, unless you just need something to do. :)

All the ones I have are also attracted to a magnet, which is a great addition that's better than real Morgans IMHO, as you can certainly use a holdout with them, I do sometimes. Specs will not know the difference, and that you can do anything with the replicas (plus feromagnetic)) that you can do with the real Morgans, for much less money or care to them, to me is well worth it.

So yeah, you got a pretty good deal. :)
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Sep 6, 2014 01:42PM)
Yea Anytime you use Old Coins It's Not Like Most People Know what they are Anyway! I Don't think Any one would say
" hay These are not Real!" Even If they Do You can make a joke And Say " Hay You think I can afford real Ones"
:) So I would say Just go ahead And use Them!
Message: Posted by: avik_d (Sep 6, 2014 03:37PM)
Thanks for the replies magicwatcher, Marion and David !!

By the way, I just clicked a pic of the coins and shared it below.

Till today I used an Eisenhower 1972 dollar coin. Being an original piece, it is a bit on the heavier side, and the lustre is there. However, as far as design is concerned, I believe Morgans are real beauties :-)
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Sep 14, 2014 11:55AM)
Avik, I have a bunch of these replicas which I use primarily for practice when I'm somewhere not too coin-friendly, eg. walking somewhere or taking a bus; if I drop or loose one it's not the end of the world! Also, they allow me to play with ideas such as softening coins myself, using blackening solutions, re-milling using a needle file, that sort of thing. This way I have a set of thinner, soft 'Morgans' with a nice dark patina, and a set untouched, thicker dollars.
Message: Posted by: avik_d (Sep 14, 2014 01:48PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2014, CarpetShark wrote:
....softening coins myself, using blackening solutions, re-milling using a needle file, that sort of thing... [/quote]

Sounds like a good idea Carpetshark !! I have a 1921 George V British worn-out Half Crown which I use for some coin routines. It looks awesome, just that the edge milling is nearly smoothened out. Can you tell me more about the remilling thing you mentioned in your post ? This coin is 50% silver, the rest being Cu-Ni. Will your method work on this? I'm intrigued to know more about your ideas :-) :-)
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Sep 14, 2014 07:59PM)
I'll gladly share the little I know, just as long as you realize the chances of making a usable coin are nicely balanced with the likelihood of making a mess. I do nothing at all to my (new) silver coins (which are precious....my precious...), shells, etc. In short, if you can't afford to toss it away, better not dick with it!!

Ok, so having said that, just pm me with specific questions and I'll do what I can to help out. I've received so much wonderful advice from the guys here, I'm happy to get the chance to pay a little back.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Count Elmsley (Apr 14, 2015 08:23AM)
Avik, I am in the UK, and collect half crowns. I have over a hundred of them, some are mint uncirculated. If you are looking for a replacement, I a would be happy to sell a few to you. Alan.
:spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: avik_d (Apr 14, 2015 11:04AM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, Count Elmsley wrote:
Avik, I am in the UK, and collect half crowns. I have over a hundred of them, some are mint uncirculated. If you are looking for a replacement, I a would be happy to sell a few to you. Alan.
:spinningcoin: [/quote]

Thanks Alan. I'll be dropping you a PM very shortly.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Apr 14, 2015 09:45PM)
Ive been using my replicas for years now.
And they still look the same as when I bought them.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 15, 2015 01:13PM)
Have to agree with bowers here…Really no big deal using replicas.

Certainly, real Morgans have a real feel of silver to them, I suppose, but these replicas are the next best (and much cheaper) thing. It's really more so than not, what you can do with them, not what they are or aren't.

Specs will know no difference. I'm sure most folks here have both. I typically use a replica when I'm out and about. Less worry as to them, and same impact. Heck, I used to use a replica Bust dollar (1801) :D and people would sometime inspect it and just say "WOW!, that must be worth a lot of money." :D

It truly makes little difference, unless you make something big of it in your own mind. I'm just sayin', pretty much of which I've said here before, or something like that. :)
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Apr 18, 2015 12:31AM)
I have a set of four of Joe Mogar's Magical Morgans, which are replica, ferromagnetic Morgans. They look and feel right and work very well with his magnetic expanded shell and sliding shell!

Jim
Message: Posted by: bowers (Apr 18, 2015 08:36AM)
I use Joe's as well.Very quality set with shell.
Todd
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Apr 21, 2015 02:51PM)
J-Mac or Bowers, the set you have from Joe M, am I correct in saying he charges about $650 for his replicas ? I ask because I've been drooling over the sets over on the Johnson site, which for a silver set of Morgans is under $500.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Apr 21, 2015 07:38PM)
Nope. I think they were $10.00 each. Shells were more, naturally.

Jim
Message: Posted by: bowers (Apr 21, 2015 07:45PM)
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, J-Mac wrote:
Nope. I think they were $10.00 each. Shells were more, naturally.

Jim [/quote]

That's correct and the shell is 85.00 dollars.
You can buy the set for 125.00 dollars.
Todd
Message: Posted by: bowers (Apr 21, 2015 07:51PM)
And if you want a nice silver set.
Roy Kuepper has a morgan set for 330.00 dollars
A soft morgan set for 384.00 dollars both with
4 matching coins.
Todd
Message: Posted by: PAUL 7 (Apr 22, 2015 06:33AM)
The replicas are nice coins. They are a little lighter than the real ones. I bought the peace dollars from Amazon and people think they are real. They actually sent me more than what I ordered because they didn't have the dates I wanted.

Paul
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Apr 27, 2015 09:11PM)
Or you can go here:

http://www.govmint.com/2015-1-dollar-1-oz-silver-eagle-bu-10.html?ad=GS1060G&gclid=CMusmrH1l8UCFS9o7Aod6w4Avw

There is a "Sticky" on this very topic at the top of Nothing up my sleeve...

Please read, it may answer ALL of your questions.
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Apr 28, 2015 09:50AM)
OK, thanks Jim and Bowers, I'll check out the $85 [. Although I would love to own a set of Silver Morgans + [, $85 is a lot more affordable at this time. Hard to justify the expense of silver for a 'hobby'.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Apr 28, 2015 03:29PM)
I use three replica with my Morgan TUC. No one has ever detected the difference,

but I can also locate the TUC in a pile by the slight weight difference.

Thus, I prefer these even if I could afford real ones.
Message: Posted by: shakuni (May 1, 2015 04:10AM)
Real Morgan is also heavier then the Morgan TUC.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (May 1, 2015 10:05AM)
[quote]On Apr 28, 2015, funsway wrote:
I use three replica with my Morgan TUC. No one has ever detected the difference,

[b]but I can also locate the TUC in a pile by the slight weight difference.[/b]

Thus, I prefer these even if I could afford real ones. [/quote]

Yes shak, that's pretty much what he meant…I'm just sayin'. :)
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 2, 2015 12:41PM)
I just got some of these because of this thread, and I love them. I only had 2 real Morgans, and was too scared to take them anywhere. Plus, I can use my pk ring to do a matrix effect in the spectators hand.
Message: Posted by: chrom (May 6, 2015 04:21PM)
Hey all. Stupid question but could you link the Amazon replicas. There are a bunch of different ones and I want to see what the folks here at talking about. Either post or PM would be appreciated Thanks!

Shane
Message: Posted by: ZachDavenport (May 6, 2015 08:58PM)
I got mine on ebay. Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-4-Steel-Morgan-Silver-Coin-Dollar-Replica-attracted-to-magnet-Close-Up-Magic-/291355323037?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d6216a9d