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Topic: How Can DC Catch Up With Marvel?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 9, 2014 04:54PM)
At the movie box-office, Marvel Comics far surpasses DC Comics. In fact, Marvel is leaving DC in the dust. So far, Marvel has colossal successes with Captain America, Iron Man, Daredevil, X-men, Fantastic Four, The Avengers, Hulk, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, Thor, and now Guardians Of The Galaxy. In comparison, DC has had only Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. Hardly any comparison with Marvel, if at all.

Can DC catch up with Marvel at the movies? If so, then how? One idea I have is to have other lesser-known heroes team up (one at a time) with either Superman or Batman, because either Superman or Batman always guarantees good audience turn-out. For example, to team up with Superman, I would suggest the Legion Of Superheroes. In fact, in the comic books, the Legion originated as an offshoot of Superman, so it would be appropriate that the same is done in the movies. That introduction could provide enough of an exposure so that, later on, the Legion could have their own film.

So what suggestions do any of you fellow fans have to enable DC to catch up with Marvel?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 9, 2014 08:27PM)
This is a great question Orville. My answer is based on the fact that from 1973 to 1994, I was a die hard DC comic book fan. That does not mean I never read a Marvel book. I liked Marvel too. It is just that I was a DC fan. I ammased quite a collection, nearly 4000 books. I also had a complete collection of "The Justice League of America" going back to number one back in 1960. It took me years to collect all that.

Now that you know who I am on the subject, let me point out that some comic book movies have been great and some not so much. I liked "Daredevil" with Ben Afleck, but I really thought it could hgave been done better. Catwoman and Elektra were both not worth the film they were printed on. Tobey Maguire was perfect casting for Spider-Man, and the movies wern't bad. (J.K. Simmins stole every scene he was in though)

So let's answer your question. How can DC catch up with Marvel. They can't. And, they shouldn't even try. Eventually a Justice League movie will be made, of this I am sure. It will have to be a very different movie than the Avengers was. DC superheroes are mostly freinds, or at least cordial collegues. Marvel heros don't like each other. Neither is wrong, that is just the way it is. I applauded the groundbreaking decision theat DC made a few years ago, when they decided Superman and Batman are not friends. They never could be. Their philosophy, outlook on life and the world, and methods are just so far apart, they can't really agree on much beyond fighting for justice.

DC needs to accept that Marvel has them beat at the movie theater, and focus on TV. Arrow is heading into its' thrid successful year. Flash is spinning off of that. Gothem will do what it does and we will see. Constintine is coming, might be good, and Ray Palmer is headed to Starling City to meet Oliver, and maybe the Canary as well. This might work well for DC to buiild to their JLA movie from TV. Somehow I am not convinced it will work, but I hope they try.

Back in 1980 DC tried a JLA pilot on TV and it stank to high heaven. It was the victem of poor writing, mostly poor acting, and limited money for special effects. In one scene, Green Lantern makes a big green fist with his ring, and uses it to give the bad guy the finger. That is not my GL doing that, especially since it gave the bad guy time to make his move. (BTW you can see that movie on YouTube)

So rather than trying to catch up with Marvel, I hope DC will use the Marvel movies to inspire beeter quality in both their TV work and their movies as they come.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Sep 9, 2014 09:06PM)
? any of the Kirby titles - The Demon, Forever People... would work. Even Mister Miracle. ( cmon - Big Barda and the Furies... or Mantis... :) ) Just do the first issue. The New Gods - Superman - Forever People crossovers would be epic even if just cameos. Not sure how well the Kirby Jimmy Olsen stuff would work.

ah well - back to reading.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 9, 2014 09:23PM)
Well DC seems to be concentrating on TV shows which it does pretty well. Smallville was ok. Now Flash is spinning off from Arrow. Gotham takes a stab at it this fall as well.

Truth be told Batman and Sups are pretty over exposed. Just how many versions of the origin stories do we need? Iron man, Hulk, Thor, Cap and all have had FAR less exposure much less Guardians. Pushing new characters may help.
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 9, 2014 10:57PM)
They should have left Superman dead.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 10, 2014 01:33AM)
Nope...

Man Of Steel was the best Superman Movie EVER imho...

The coming one with Batman will be better! :ohyes:

DC's Movies are of better quality, no need to catch up.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 10, 2014 10:02AM)
Best superman movie ever. Not exactly a high bar.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 10, 2014 10:14AM)
Tim Burton: "Anyone who knows me knows that I would never read a comic book."
Kevin Smith: "That explains [i]Batman[/i]."
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 10, 2014 10:56AM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
Best superman movie ever. Not exactly a high bar. [/quote]

I actually agree with that... :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 10, 2014 02:32PM)
I hate Superman as a character.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Sep 10, 2014 03:03PM)
[quote]
On Sep 10, 2014, critter wrote:

I hate Superman as a character.

[/quote]

I like Superman as a character. I just hate what all the movies have done to him. The have yet to make a watchable Superman film. The last one was particularly sucky.
Message: Posted by: motown (Sep 10, 2014 03:03PM)
Kick-Ass is Kick Ass! :-)
Message: Posted by: motown (Sep 10, 2014 03:06PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, Payne wrote:
[quote]
On Sep 10, 2014, critter wrote:

I hate Superman as a character.

[/quote]

I like Superman as a character. I just hate what all the movies have done to him. The have yet to make a watchable Superman film. The last one was particularly sucky. [/quote]Personally, I thought most of the superhero movies sucked.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 10, 2014 09:32PM)
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 11, 2014 03:00AM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 11, 2014 03:01AM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, critter wrote:
I hate Superman as a character. [/quote]

Think of him like ET.

But a good looking ET. ;)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 11, 2014 10:17AM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes: [/quote]

Oh Pakar, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you of all people would see the much greater value in Marvel! :bg:
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 11, 2014 02:03PM)
[quote]On Sep 9, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
Well DC seems to be concentrating on TV shows which it does pretty well. Smallville was ok. Now Flash is spinning off from Arrow. Gotham takes a stab at it this fall as well.

Truth be told Batman and Sups are pretty over exposed. Just how many versions of the origin stories do we need? Iron man, Hulk, Thor, Cap and all have had FAR less exposure much less Guardians. Pushing new characters may help. [/quote]
I agree with you about the overexposure. That's why those movies of Batman and Superman have begun to bore me. At least DC tried to redeem themselves by making the GREEN LANTERN movie. Despite all the criticism leveled at GL, I think the only disappointment was the casting choice. But the extraterrestrials were extremely well done.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 11, 2014 02:18PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes: [/quote]

Oh Pakar, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you of all people would see the much greater value in Marvel! :bg: [/quote]

Sorry to disappoint you but I love DC more... ;)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 11, 2014 03:09PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes: [/quote]

Oh Pakar, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you of all people would see the much greater value in Marvel! :bg: [/quote]

Why not let the box office decide?
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Sep 11, 2014 03:16PM)
The box office thinks that the best chefs in the world work for McDonalds.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 11, 2014 03:35PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes: [/quote]

Oh Pakar, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you of all people would see the much greater value in Marvel! :bg: [/quote]

Sorry to disappoint you but I love DC more... ;) [/quote]

Now THIS is a debate worth 45 pages!!! :yippee:
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Sep 11, 2014 05:17PM)
I'm just happy that they're both putting out good stuff.

As far as what I'd like to see from DC -

The freaking JLA movie already! Jeez!
Something with the Teen Titans.


From Marvel -

World War Hulk.
A Hulk movie that doesn't suck.
A team-up movie (Hulk and Spiderman?!)


Crossovers? -

Hulk vs Superman.
Hulk vs Doomsday.
Hulk vs Darkseid.

Hulk SMASH!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 11, 2014 06:15PM)
A Hulk fan?

Let me ask this if I may. Which type of Hulk do you prefer? The mindless rampaging smashing Hulk, the sort of intelligent can converse Hulk or the too smart to be the Hulk Hulk?

World War Hulk he shifted between the last 2.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Sep 11, 2014 09:16PM)
Nope, don't like the Hulk at all. What made you think I did?

If I WAS a Hulk fan I would prefer the intelligent can converse, but is "always mad" to some degree Hulk. This way he can interact with others without being an annoying pain in the *** who becomes a bigger threat after he's finished helping. "Well, we beat the villian but now the Hulk is out of control, AGAIN."
He can also get angrier and become the rage machine, which is always nice if he's pointed away from you.

Btw, Lou Ferrigno = bad idea.

Also btw, an Ultimates movie could be awesome. Superhero v Superhero, moral conflict, politics, the possibilities are endless.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 13, 2014 03:36PM)
What never made sense to me is Bruce Banner's transformation. Whenever he changes into the Hulk, his body gets bigger, so his shirt rips and gets torn off. Since his ENTIRE body gets bigger, how come only his shirt gets torn off but his pants stay on? That never made sense to me.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Sep 13, 2014 04:39PM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
What never made sense to me is Bruce Banner's transformation. Whenever he changes into the Hulk, his body gets bigger, so his shirt rips and gets torn off. Since his ENTIRE body gets bigger, how come only his shirt gets torn off but his pants stay on? That never made sense to me. [/quote]

Me either, but if EVERYTHING gets bigger we have to think of the ladies who would be, uh......, stunned at that part of his transformation were shown in, what was then Comics Code approved comic.

Aside from all the other great things he's done in his unassuming life, give the CCA the finger when deciding to publish Spidey #98 without their "approval" has to rank right up there with all the rest.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 13, 2014 04:42PM)
Well it explains why he is so angry. If your junk was squeezed that tight CONSTANTLY you would be in a bad mood too.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 13, 2014 06:39PM)
Since the Twister previously mentioned censorship,I notice that the Comics Code has become very lax nowadays. One that shocked me was the treatment of PLASTIC MAN. In a story several years ago where Plastic Man fought Black Lantern. At that point, Plastic Man's strength and power had severely weakened, so the Black Lantern took immediate advantage. Brutally, he ripped out Plastic Man's heart!! That certainly shocked me in view of what I thought of the Comics Code. Nowadays buying comics only sporadically, I was not aware of the changes in the code.

But what disappointed me was Not that brutal mutilation scene but instead his RESURRECTION several months later which was Not explained at all! Since he died from the heart-removal, how did he resurrect? There are three possible explanations I can think of. Since he was taken to Star Labs, then maybe they constructed a new heart for me. That is highly UNlikely, though, because that heart would need to have the same powers of Plastic Man himself.

Second possibility is that Plastic Man can survive without a heart, the explanation being that his body is constantly semi-fluid anyway, so his heart is Not a vital-organ for him.

Third possibility is that Plastic Man can regenerate. In that case, Plastic Man would simply regenerate a new heart from scratch. The fact that he can regenerate has been already established in earlier stories.

Whatever the case, I admire the development of Plastic Man from a wacky scatter-brained character to a somewhat serious character nowadays. Granted, he still retains some of his zaniness, but by joining the Justice League, his characterization has improved.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 13, 2014 07:16PM)
Fourth possibility: it's a freakin' comic book!
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Sep 13, 2014 11:25PM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
Since the Twister previously mentioned censorship,I notice that the Comics Code has become very lax nowadays. [/quote]

If the Code still exists, no one cares.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 14, 2014 01:47PM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, landmark wrote:
Fourth possibility: it's a freakin' comic book! [/quote]

party pooper
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 14, 2014 01:49PM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
Since the Twister previously mentioned censorship,I notice that the Comics Code has become very lax nowadays. One that shocked me was the treatment of PLASTIC MAN. In a story several years ago where Plastic Man fought Black Lantern. At that point, Plastic Man's strength and power had severely weakened, so the Black Lantern took immediate advantage. Brutally, he ripped out Plastic Man's heart!! That certainly shocked me in view of what I thought of the Comics Code. Nowadays buying comics only sporadically, I was not aware of the changes in the code.

But what disappointed me was Not that brutal mutilation scene but instead his RESURRECTION several months later which was Not explained at all! Since he died from the heart-removal, how did he resurrect? There are three possible explanations I can think of. Since he was taken to Star Labs, then maybe they constructed a new heart for me. That is highly UNlikely, though, because that heart would need to have the same powers of Plastic Man himself.

Second possibility is that Plastic Man can survive without a heart, the explanation being that his body is constantly semi-fluid anyway, so his heart is Not a vital-organ for him.

Third possibility is that Plastic Man can regenerate. In that case, Plastic Man would simply regenerate a new heart from scratch. The fact that he can regenerate has been already established in earlier stories.

Whatever the case, I admire the development of Plastic Man from a wacky scatter-brained character to a somewhat serious character nowadays. Granted, he still retains some of his zaniness, but by joining the Justice League, his characterization has improved. [/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Man

"Regeneration: He is able to regenerate and/or assimilate lost or damaged tissue, although he needs to be reasonably intact for this process to begin; he was reduced to separate molecules and scattered across the ocean for centuries, only returning to his usual form after the rest of the League were able to gather enough of his molecules and restore approximately 80% of his body mass, after which he began to regenerate what they hadn't salvaged."
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Sep 14, 2014 09:19PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, Payne wrote:
[quote]
On Sep 10, 2014, critter wrote:

I hate Superman as a character.

[/quote]

I like Superman as a character. I just hate what all the movies have done to him. The have yet to make a watchable Superman film. The last one was particularly sucky. [/quote]
I kinda liked a few of the Flasher Supermans.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 15, 2014 02:19PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
Since the Twister previously mentioned censorship,I notice that the Comics Code has become very lax nowadays. One that shocked me was the treatment of PLASTIC MAN. In a story several years ago where Plastic Man fought Black Lantern. At that point, Plastic Man's strength and power had severely weakened, so the Black Lantern took immediate advantage. Brutally, he ripped out Plastic Man's heart!! That certainly shocked me in view of what I thought of the Comics Code. Nowadays buying comics only sporadically, I was not aware of the changes in the code.

But what disappointed me was Not that brutal mutilation scene but instead his RESURRECTION several months later which was Not explained at all! Since he died from the heart-removal, how did he resurrect? There are three possible explanations I can think of. Since he was taken to Star Labs, then maybe they constructed a new heart for me. That is highly UNlikely, though, because that heart would need to have the same powers of Plastic Man himself.

Second possibility is that Plastic Man can survive without a heart, the explanation being that his body is constantly semi-fluid anyway, so his heart is Not a vital-organ for him.

Third possibility is that Plastic Man can regenerate. In that case, Plastic Man would simply regenerate a new heart from scratch. The fact that he can regenerate has been already established in earlier stories.

Whatever the case, I admire the development of Plastic Man from a wacky scatter-brained character to a somewhat serious character nowadays. Granted, he still retains some of his zaniness, but by joining the Justice League, his characterization has improved. [/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Man

"Regeneration: He is able to regenerate and/or assimilate lost or damaged tissue, although he needs to be reasonably intact for this process to begin; he was reduced to separate molecules and scattered across the ocean for centuries, only returning to his usual form after the rest of the League were able to gather enough of his molecules and restore approximately 80% of his body mass, after which he began to regenerate what they hadn't salvaged." [/quote


Thank you Rockwall. Based on the wikipedia excerpt you posted, it can be seen that Plastic Man is better developed nowadays. COMPARED to the 1940s when Plaz was simply a self-parody, the current one tries to explain his physiology.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 20, 2014 06:27PM)
[quote]On Sep 15, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
[quote]On Sep 14, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 13, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
Since the Twister previously mentioned censorship,I notice that the Comics Code has become very lax nowadays. One that shocked me was the treatment of PLASTIC MAN. In a story several years ago where Plastic Man fought Black Lantern. At that point, Plastic Man's strength and power had severely weakened, so the Black Lantern took immediate advantage. Brutally, he ripped out Plastic Man's heart!! That certainly shocked me in view of what I thought of the Comics Code. Nowadays buying comics only sporadically, I was not aware of the changes in the code.

But what disappointed me was Not that brutal mutilation scene but instead his RESURRECTION several months later which was Not explained at all! Since he died from the heart-removal, how did he resurrect? There are three possible explanations I can think of. Since he was taken to Star Labs, then maybe they constructed a new heart for me. That is highly UNlikely, though, because that heart would need to have the same powers of Plastic Man himself.

Second possibility is that Plastic Man can survive without a heart, the explanation being that his body is constantly semi-fluid anyway, so his heart is Not a vital-organ for him.

Third possibility is that Plastic Man can regenerate. In that case, Plastic Man would simply regenerate a new heart from scratch. The fact that he can regenerate has been already established in earlier stories.

Whatever the case, I admire the development of Plastic Man from a wacky scatter-brained character to a somewhat serious character nowadays. Granted, he still retains some of his zaniness, but by joining the Justice League, his characterization has improved. [/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Man

"Regeneration: He is able to regenerate and/or assimilate lost or damaged tissue, although he needs to be reasonably intact for this process to begin; he was reduced to separate molecules and scattered across the ocean for centuries, only returning to his usual form after the rest of the League were able to gather enough of his molecules and restore approximately 80% of his body mass, after which he began to regenerate what they hadn't salvaged." [/quote


Thank you Rockwall. Based on the wikipedia excerpt you posted, it can be seen that Plastic Man is better developed nowadays. COMPARED to the 1940s when Plaz was simply a self-parody, the current one tries to explain his physiology. [/quote]

Actually, my favorite Elastic-character is the Elongated Man from when he had those monthly adventures in the 1960s Detective Comics. Even so, I still bought the expensive $50 hardback of Plastic Man reprints because Plastic Man was the very first Elastic character, so being the completist that I am, I had to get that as well.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Sep 20, 2014 07:05PM)
I caught some "Ant-Man" advance peeks during Comic-Con...it looks like this will
fare well for the franchise and move Marvel even that much further ahead of DC
in this business!

[img]http://www.sidekickcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ant_man_poster_by_axelbratoski-d5xqovu.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 20, 2014 07:45PM)
As I said previously, I have my doubts about this Marvel movie. I hope those worries prove unfounded. I like the poster. (It's fan made isn't it? Not official?)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 20, 2014 08:30PM)
Never been a Hank Pym fan.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 22, 2014 01:28PM)
How many in this thread will be watching the debut of the Gotham TV series tonight? My understanding is that it won't have Batman but instead just his villains. Sounds like an innovative approach. Whereas Marvel concentrates on theatrical movies, DC instead concentrates on TV.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 22, 2014 01:37PM)
Yea I sort of said that earlier in the thread didn't I?

And yes I will be watching.

Although the Agents of SHIELD is a pretty cool show.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 22, 2014 05:29PM)
I know Agents of SHIELD has gotten good reviews but personally, I think it kinda sucks. And that from a die-hard Marvel fan.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 22, 2014 05:33PM)
It grew on me. I did like the ending of seaSon one.
Message: Posted by: Devious (Sep 22, 2014 05:48PM)
[quote]On Sep 22, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
How many in this thread will be watching the debut of the Gotham TV series tonight? My understanding is that it won't have Batman but instead just his villains. Sounds like an innovative approach. Whereas Marvel concentrates on theatrical movies, DC instead concentrates on TV. [/quote]

We caught a sneak peek at this series during Comic-Con. It was quite good. It features the villains before they
found their real identity and costumes...I thoroughly enjoyed the screening and will be watching the series.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 23, 2014 04:32PM)
Only two responses to GOTHAM, so I take it that most of those on this thread felt disappointed in the premiere. Innovative how it showed the PRE-Penguin, but I did Not care for the over-all gangster atmosphere. Instead, I have more anticipation for THE FLASH premiere coming in a few days. In the promo, it showed a YELLOW blur too. So in watching it again, the yellow had a distinctly human outline, so it must be the Villain, the REVERSE-Flash.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 23, 2014 05:12PM)
I think Gotham tried to introduce too many characters.

The whole Batman origin makes me cringe when I think "why is a billionaire couple walking down a deserted alley to catch a cab"? The obligatory bouncing pearls and such.

The Flash looms good and had a good push on Arrow. Sort of did his origin story so that is taken care of. You know Barry and sort of like him so much of the heavy lifting is done. The child Bruce Wayne trying to do the Batman mean mug at the end has me questioning if I will be back for Gotham.

I should mention I am a lifelong Dark Knight fan.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 26, 2014 04:32PM)
On the Agent of Shield tv series, what a pleasant surprise to see the appearance of the Marvel villain the ABSORBING MAN. The Absorbing Man is a villain from the THOR magazine, so it's great that the Shield tv-series occasionally pops those surprises on the audience. What the Shield series is doing, will prove very productive as that TV series combines with the blockbuster Movies to make the overall franchise a cohesive whole.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 27, 2014 08:24AM)
I used to like The Flash, but maybe someone can tell me. Is there any power that The Flash has that Superman [i]doesn't[/i] have? I'm not sure I understand the super-heroes whose powers are a complete subset of someone else's powers. You know what I mean? Like Aquaman, lame as the book was at times, at least had an interesting different set of powers. Even J'hon Jonzz (spelling? I dunno it's been 45 years) had a different weakness from Superman.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 27, 2014 08:51AM)
What powers does Wonder Woman have that superman doesn't have?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 27, 2014 08:53AM)
Or Supergirl/woman for that matter. At least they got the female thing going for them.

But really, is there some use of speed that The Flash has that Superman doesn't use or know about? Just curious.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Sep 27, 2014 09:07AM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, landmark wrote:

I used to like The Flash, but maybe someone can tell me. Is there any power that The Flash has that Superman [i]doesn't[/i] have?[/quote]
The wikipedia entry for The Flash (various incarnations) explains at least some of the powers. Many (I think) are different from Superman's.

The Flash thinks at light speed. This gives some immunity to telepathy, as the thoughts operate at a rate too rapid for telepaths to read or influence.

The Flash has an invisible aura to protect him from air friction at high speed. The Flash IS way faster than Superman ("After Final Crisis in Flash: Rebirth #3 the Flash is shown as being much faster than Superman, easily outstripping him as Superman tries to keep up with him. He reveals that all the close races between them had been for charity.")

The Flash can vibrate through walls. He can also vibrate fast enough to see other dimensions / planes of existence.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 27, 2014 04:50PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, balducci wrote:
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, landmark wrote:

I used to like The Flash, but maybe someone can tell me. Is there any power that The Flash has that Superman [i]doesn't[/i] have?[/quote]
The wikipedia entry for The Flash (various incarnations) explains at least some of the powers. Many (I think) are different from Superman's.

The Flash thinks at light speed. This gives some immunity to telepathy, as the thoughts operate at a rate too rapid for telepaths to read or influence.

The Flash has an invisible aura to protect him from air friction at high speed. The Flash IS way faster than Superman ("After Final Crisis in Flash: Rebirth #3 the Flash is shown as being much faster than Superman, easily outstripping him as Superman tries to keep up with him. He reveals that all the close races between them had been for charity.")

The Flash can vibrate through walls. He can also vibrate fast enough to see other dimensions / planes of existence. [/quote]

To add to what you said, another big difference between Superman and Flash is that Superman is Invulnerable whereas Flash would get seriously wounded or even killed by a bullet. That's why in some situations where,let's say, his girlfriend, Iris, is being shot at-- the Flash in trying to intercept the bullet, would have to, at first, catch up to the speeding bullet, then GRADUALLY MATCH the speed of the bullet, and then GRADUALLY CURVE his hand around the bullet to catch it harmlessly. That way, he intercepts the bullet while remaining unharmed. If it was Superman, all he would have to do is simply let the bullet bounce off his invulnerable body. In comparison, as can be seen, the Flash has a much harder time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 27, 2014 05:36PM)
I always loved the old Superman show when he would take six bullets in the chest, and then duck when they threw the gun.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 27, 2014 07:04PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I always loved the old Superman show when he would take six bullets in the chest, and then duck when they threw the gun. [/quote]

Now that you mentioned that discrepancy from the Superman show, there was another one I recall, this time involving X-ray vision. Superman was handed a photograph of a man whose face was hidden under a hood. The discrepancy is that Superman used his X-ray eyes to see the face of the man under the hood. That doesn't make any sense at all. For the X-ray vision to work, he would have to use it on a LIVE person. It would NOT work on a photograph because there would be nothing at all under the hood. On the other hand, it would have worked with DOCTOR STRANGE because he uses Magic from his amulet, the EYE OF AGAMOTTO.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 27, 2014 07:27PM)
Yes it is easy to get in the weeds on super discrepancies. I just thought it was funny looming when it happened.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Sep 27, 2014 10:36PM)
I'm glad continuity has been flushed--it was so hard to keep up with.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 28, 2014 03:04PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
What powers does Wonder Woman have that superman doesn't have? [/quote]

Basically,I think it's her magic Lasso. Since one of Superman's weaknesses is a weakness to magic,he cannot escape if the Lasso ensnares him. In addition,the lasso is also known as the Lasso of Truth because whoever is ensnared by the Rope has to tell the truth.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Sep 28, 2014 06:47PM)
So is Jhon J'onzz still around and is he still green? I think I once picked up a comic where he had turned a different color and I figured this whole comic world was becoming too complicated for me.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Sep 28, 2014 06:54PM)
The original, and still the best, Superman with George Reeves is back on MeTV!

Up, up and awaaaaay!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 28, 2014 06:58PM)
I love the thump when he jumps out the window to fly.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Sep 28, 2014 08:28PM)
That might be the trampoline!

The thing is, when I was a kid Superman was a real hero to me. And a kid sees things a lot differently than adults. Honestly, I have a hard time understanding the fascination that some adults seem to have with comic book characters.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 29, 2014 07:12PM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Honestly, I have a hard time understanding the fascination that some adults seem to have with comic book characters. [/quote]
No, not hard to understand. It's the same need for a sense of wonder that we get from a magic show. Plus comic books have enthralling graphics. It's a unique art form which combines words with pictures. Nowadays it has gone beyond the label of "comic books" by becoming sequential art. A good example is the late illustrator Will Eisner whose character The Spirit had the atmospheric stylishness of NOIR, similar to those black&white films called Film Noir.
Message: Posted by: critter (Sep 29, 2014 10:08PM)
Escapism seems more important the longer I live...
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 29, 2014 10:30PM)
[quote]On Sep 29, 2014, critter wrote:
Escapism seems more important the longer I live... [/quote]

Ahhh! So you've decided on your preferred direction of magic? :goof:
Message: Posted by: critter (Oct 1, 2014 12:40PM)
No reality can hold..!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 4, 2014 04:24PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, balducci wrote:
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, landmark wrote:

Is there any power that The Flash has that Superman [i]doesn't[/i] have?[/quote]



The Flash has an invisible aura to protect him from air friction at high speed. The Flash IS way faster than Superman ("After Final Crisis in Flash: Rebirth #3 the Flash is shown as being much faster than Superman, easily outstripping him as Superman tries to keep up with him. He reveals that all the close races between them had been for charity.")

[/quote]
How many times has Superman raced against the Flash? Unless I'm mistaken, the first time that they competed, the Flash raced by running but Superman raced by flying. To me, Superman had an UNfair advantage because he flew but Flash had to run on the topographically-uneven surface which has mountains and houses and numerous other obstacles on the terrain.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 4, 2014 04:54PM)
But wouldn't Sups be going further?
Message: Posted by: critter (Oct 4, 2014 08:18PM)
Saw the first two episodes of "Gotham." I like it.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 6, 2014 04:31PM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
But wouldn't Sups be going further? [/quote]

Depends on the altitude at which he flies. But even that would be miniscule compared to the Unfair disadvantage of the FLASH, with his confinement to running on the surface and dealing with all the obstacles I described.
Message: Posted by: critter (Oct 7, 2014 02:15PM)
The Flash and Superman are two of the many examples of terrible DC heroes, along with Aqua-Man and Green Lametern. Not that Marvel hasn't had some lame ones, but DC's core line-up seems to be made to avoid any actual effort on the part of the writers. With the exception of Batman.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 7, 2014 02:45PM)
When they took a new look at Aquaman they did a good job. Once he lost his hand, they turned him into a legitimate hero I would say. They started to look into what would be the truth if he could move so fast under the ocean on the bottom and how that would translate to his speed, strength and his hardness of skin and body. They really started to make him interesting.

Sups got sort of the same treatment as well as the Flash. Old school books yea they were pretty lame. In later years it actually became interesting.

Though I COMPLETELY agree about the Bat. They spent some good energy on writing the back story, the character and the stories.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 7, 2014 06:57PM)
There was a one-hour tv-documentary about Batman that made the point the Bat is NOT even a superhero since he does not have any superpowers at all. So to call him a superhero might be a misnomer. All he is, is just a detective who wears a fancy costume. If not for his costume, he would not even be in the comic books.

On the other hand, Superman is a superhero because he has superpowers. But like the other hero, The Spectre, he is too powerful, so that omnipotence might leave many fans cold and make the character boring.

When all is said and done, Batman has No superpowers, and Superman is too powerful, therefore many fans prefer the FLASH because he's "middle of the road."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 7, 2014 09:38PM)
The Bat and green arrow and Hawkeye and some others are just guys with a grievance and money.

On the bright side The Flash premier was pretty good. Hope Arrow is good tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 8, 2014 02:34AM)
Okay, comic book experts. As I say it's been a long time, but I remember this:
Superman had his fifth dimension nemesis Mr. Mxyzptlk (many school days spent memorizing that spelling). Now IIRC Batman had a similar nemesis. What was his name?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 8, 2014 07:35PM)
Bat-mite. An inter dimensional powerful creature who hero worshipped batman and put him in situations where he would have to show off his skills and abilities. He was a pest without meaning to be. In the 70s or 80s cartoon, the mite was the to de-grim the character and make him more appealing to little kids.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 10, 2014 04:14PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
The Bat and green arrow and Hawkeye and some others are just guys with a grievance and money.

On the bright side The Flash premier was pretty good. Hope Arrow is good tomorrow. [/quote]
Agreed, I was impressed with THE FLASH premiere too. When I saw the initial promo, I wondered about those flames he causes when he runs. Because in the comics, he never had those flames. But now it's explained as Air-Friction caused when he runs at super-speed. Frictional heat, similar to when a Space-capsule catches fire as it plummets down through the atmosphere. The way I see it, the reason the Flash never had those flames in the comics version is because his special AURA prevented it.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 11, 2014 12:27PM)
When I was a kid, I really liked DC characters and owned quite a few of those comics. As an adult, I'm more into the TV shows, movies, and kids cartoons, and I'm beginning to appreciate Marvel much more. I'm watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Gotham, Arrow, and The Flash.

One thing I really appreciated about Marvel was how they meshed the TV show and the movies. I've seen all of the movies, and I've been watching "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." weekly on TV since it started. I was watching "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." weekly on TV right before "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" came into theatres. The TV show changed the next week to reflect an important plot twist that happened in the movie. You had to be watching the TV show as it aired (not watching them on Netflix later on, etc.), and also see the movie on the opening weekend, to appreciate that they meshed the Marvel Universe on TV and on the Big Screen as being "real-time." Not only did I think it was well planned, I thought it was pretty awesome!

- Donald
Message: Posted by: balducci (Oct 15, 2014 07:58PM)
Http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/15/dc_comics_film_schedule_warner_bros_announces_at_least_10_new_superhero.html

Today Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara announced plans to release at least 10 new superhero films based on multiple DC comics over the next six years. The ambitious slate of upcoming films, according to a press release, will include:

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, directed by Zack Snyder (2016)

Suicide Squad, directed by David Ayer (2016)

Wonder Woman, starring Gal Gadot (2017)

Justice League Part One, directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)

The Flash, starring Ezra Miller (2018)

Aquaman, starring Jason Momoa (2018)

Shazam, (2019)

Justice League Part Two, directed by Zack Snyder (2019)

Cyborg, starring Ray Fisher (2020)

Green Lantern (2020)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 15, 2014 08:33PM)
2020?! I don't think I can extend my adolescence much longer!
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Oct 15, 2014 09:05PM)
Well Dc may not be making good movies. But I think The TV work that they have done with Young Justice, Batman, Superman, The Justice League, Batman Beyond and Justice League Unlimited have been very good. Much better than the old Batman Superman hour. The Batman Aquaman Hour and Super friends that was the kind of junk that was on TV on Saturday Mourning.

I did not like most of the Superman movies but I did like Superman Two. I did not like any of the Batman Movies except the one Starring Adam West. I also loved the Adam West Batman TV show. It hit the TV when I was in Third grade.

The only Superman that got it right was the old Adventures of Superman Starring George Reeves. The thing about it was that Superman was not on the screen for very long. The stories were mostly about Clark and his friend reporters. Superman would often show up at the end just in the nick of time. Clark Kent had to be written and acted so it was interesting and entertaining to the audience. When Superman showed up that he was in costume and there was automatic interest, action and entertainment.

Ty Power did this in the Mark Of Zorro. And this was done not long ago in the three Iron Man Movies where Tony Stark was very interesting and fun and entertaining to watch.

DC's thing is that they seem to push the big three all the time (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman) ahead of all the other super hero's in the Justice League. Where Marvel has let many super hero's become popular like Spider man and the X Men.

Marvels movies seem to have a lot of people that were fans of Marvel on staff. On one of my DVDs in the extras one of the people that was doing the First Captain America movie. He said something like that they had a staff of people that worked for Marvel and they have their choice of ideas from the Marvel stories that are in the comic books for inspiration.

However the movie people that do the DC movies seem to want to re-write all the hero's and do some epic thing. And reinvent. That Batman VS Bane was in my opinion was one of the worst super hero movies I have ever seen. They totally missed who Batman was. Having Batman/Bruce lose all his Billions. Needing help from Catwoman to find Bane. And that junk with that guy they called Robin. And having Bruce end up turning his home into a children's home. And staying dead missed the boat big time. Batman is "driven" to clean up crime and used to be written that way. More than any other hero in DC. So for him to lose all his money - fake his death at the end and then pass the Bat cave onto that Robin - was in my opinion one of the many many bad writing and directing choices that were in all the Batman movies.

I saw the Batman VS Bane twice. It dragged on and on. And I have no interest in getting any of the DVDs.

I saw the Avengers 12 times and I have a copy of the DVD.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 16, 2014 07:57AM)
Marvel sold off Spider-Man and X-Men and some other characters to Sony. They let Sony make those movies and took the money and that helped revamp Marvel Studios. Good move.

They constantly rewrite characters and give them an "origin in a box" like the Fantastic Four. Look at what ended up happening with Spidey. Heck even Iron Man is changed. So is Hawkeye and Black Widow. I think it is written and directed FAR SUPERIOR to anything DC has had to offer at the box office. I completely agree about the avengers, and feel the same about Guardians.

I think much of the DC lineup will be decided by how well Bats and Sups do. Lots of those may never come to be of ol Ben does for Bats what he did for Daredevil.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Oct 16, 2014 10:13AM)
When I was talking about Spiderman and the X men I was talking about the comic books of the 70s and 80s. I did not like any of the X men and Spiderman movies. The X men is always about the Cyclops Wolverine drama with the Marvel Girl in the middle. I would have liked to see more X men. I also did not like Jackman as Wolverine. He is to tall for the roll.

I also did not like the Daredevil movie. I did not like the Shadow movie or the old Doc Savage movie. Or the Green Lantern movie.

Casting the right people for the roll is something that these movie makers should think about. Also Ben is not the guy I want to see in Batman outfit.

I liked both of the FF movies and Guardians my son liked it more than I did. But I did like the music soundtrack.

Interesting that they may make a movie about Shazam. I am a fan of the old Republic Serials. They made a movie serial about Captain Marvel. I have it on DVD. It like Rocketman is one of the better serials of the 1950s.

Best ahead.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 17, 2014 04:15PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2014, bishthemagish wrote:
Well Dc may not be making good movies. But I think The TV work that they have done with Young Justice, Batman, Superman, The Justice League, Batman Beyond and Justice League Unlimited have been very good. Much better than the old Batman Superman hour. The Batman Aquaman Hour and Super friends that was the kind of junk that was on TV on Saturday Mourning.

I did not like most of the Superman movies but I did like Superman Two. I did not like any of the Batman Movies except the one Starring Adam West. I also loved the Adam West Batman TV show. It hit the TV when I was in Third grade.

The only Superman that got it right was the old Adventures of Superman Starring George Reeves. The thing about it was that Superman was not on the screen for very long. The stories were mostly about Clark and his friend reporters. Superman would often show up at the end just in the nick of time. Clark Kent had to be written and acted so it was interesting and entertaining to the audience. When Superman showed up that he was in costume and there was automatic interest, action and entertainment.

Ty Power did this in the Mark Of Zorro. And this was done not long ago in the three Iron Man Movies where Tony Stark was very interesting and fun and entertaining to watch.

DC's thing is that they seem to push the big three all the time (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman) ahead of all the other super hero's in the Justice League. Where Marvel has let many super hero's become popular like Spider man and the X Men.

Marvels movies seem to have a lot of people that were fans of Marvel on staff. On one of my DVDs in the extras one of the people that was doing the First Captain America movie. He said something like that they had a staff of people that worked for Marvel and they have their choice of ideas from the Marvel stories that are in the comic books for inspiration.

However the movie people that do the DC movies seem to want to re-write all the hero's and do some epic thing. And reinvent. That Batman VS Bane was in my opinion was one of the worst super hero movies I have ever seen. They totally missed who Batman was. Having Batman/Bruce lose all his Billions. Needing help from Catwoman to find Bane. And that junk with that guy they called Robin. And having Bruce end up turning his home into a children's home. And staying dead missed the boat big time. Batman is "driven" to clean up crime and used to be written that way. More than any other hero in DC. So for him to lose all his money - fake his death at the end and then pass the Bat cave onto that Robin - was in my opinion one of the many many bad writing and directing choices that were in all the Batman movies.

I saw the Batman VS Bane twice. It dragged on and on. And I have no interest in getting any of the DVDs.

I saw the Avengers 12 times and I have a copy of the DVD. [/quote]

Surprising that you prefer the Adam West version rather than the Bat movies as the serious Batfans consider the Adam West version as too campy --especially when compared with the Green HORNET which came out at the same time. What's so ironic is that Bat started as campy and then became serious in the movies while Green Hornet began as serious and then became campy in the movies. What an embarrassment the Hornet movie was. No comparison to Bruce Lee at all.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Oct 18, 2014 04:59PM)
The Green Hornet was a radio show like the Shadow and the Lone Ranger. He was also featured in pulp magazines was invented by George W. Trendle. Who also invented the Lone Ranger. I am a big Green Hornet fan and have been a fan for many years.

I have 2 posters of the Green Hornet one Signed by Van Williams.

Britt Reid the grand nephew of Dan Reid who rode with the Lone Ranger. Interesting enough the TV Lone Ranger series had Dan Reid in a few of the shows that were produced long before the Green Hornet TV show.

Yes the Batman series was campy - but entertaining. I think the Batman Movies were not campy - however for me they had little entertainment value - and the writing and direction choices were bad choices that any serious Batman fan would most likely dislike as they did not seem to know who the Dark Knight was. And why he was driven to clean up crime.

The movies also did not feature Batman started in Detective Comics #27. And is often called Detective by some of his foe's. In the comic book and on the Warnerbrothers series that I mentioned above. Besides needing catwoman to find bane - Batman plans and is prepared for his foe's. These are just a few things I feel that they missed the boat in in the movies of batman.

Cheers!
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Oct 19, 2014 11:50AM)
What pulp titles featured Green Hornet stories?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 19, 2014 04:45PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
There was a one-hour tv-documentary about Batman that made the point the Bat is NOT even a superhero since he does not have any superpowers at all. So to call him a superhero might be a misnomer. All he is, is just a detective who wears a fancy costume. If not for his costume, he would not even be in the comic books.

On the other hand, Superman is a superhero because he has superpowers. But like the other hero, The Spectre, he is too powerful, so that omnipotence might leave many fans cold and make the character boring.

When all is said and done, Batman has No superpowers, and Superman is too powerful, therefore many fans prefer the FLASH because he's "middle of the road." [/quote]

There were a lot of super heroes who didn't have special powers The Vigilante, Wildcat, the original Atom couldn't shrink, he was just a really short powerful guy. Batman doesn't have any "metahuman" powers, but he is still in every sense of the word, a superhero.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 19, 2014 04:46PM)
[quote]On Oct 18, 2014, bishthemagish wrote:
The Green Hornet was a radio show like the Shadow and the Lone Ranger. He was also featured in pulp magazines was invented by George W. Trendle. Who also invented the Lone Ranger. I am a big Green Hornet fan and have been a fan for many years.

I have 2 posters of the Green Hornet one Signed by Van Williams.

Britt Reid the grand nephew of Dan Reid who rode with the Lone Ranger. Interesting enough the TV Lone Ranger series had Dan Reid in a few of the shows that were produced long before the Green Hornet TV show.

Yes the Batman series was campy - but entertaining. I think the Batman Movies were not campy - however for me they had little entertainment value - and the writing and direction choices were bad choices that any serious Batman fan would most likely dislike as they did not seem to know who the Dark Knight was. And why he was driven to clean up crime.

The movies also did not feature Batman started in Detective Comics #27. And is often called Detective by some of his foe's. In the comic book and on the Warnerbrothers series that I mentioned above. Besides needing catwoman to find bane - Batman plans and is prepared for his foe's. These are just a few things I feel that they missed the boat in in the movies of batman.

Cheers! [/quote]

I think Britt Reid is supposed to be the grandSON of Dan Reid. He is the grandNEPHEW of John Reid who was the Lone Ranger.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 19, 2014 04:49PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2014, landmark wrote:
2020?! I don't think I can extend my adolescence much longer! [/quote]

I've kept mine going for over 40 years!
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 21, 2014 10:39AM)
One college professor’s crusade to teach Marvel in the classroom:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/one-college-professors-crusade-to-teach-marvel-in-the-classroom/
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 23, 2014 09:50PM)
This was released yesterday, and already has more than 19M views on Youtube. I don't know if it's been posted on another thread yet, but I didn't see it on this one, where we are discussing Marvel.

Teaser trailer for Marvel's "Avengers: Age of Ultron":

[youtube]tmeOjFno6Do[/youtube]

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 25, 2014 04:59PM)
[quote]On Oct 19, 2014, Steve_Mollett wrote:
What pulp titles featured Green Hornet stories? [/quote]

I thought that Bish would answer Steve's question because Bish mentioned the pulps. Actually, I don't think Green Hornet appeared in the pulps. The Shadow was, of course, as previously mentioned. But the one that stands out for me is DOC SAVAGE. The first time I ran across Doc Savage was in 1971 or so when it was being reprinted in Bantam paperback books. I had gone to the magazine shop to buy my monthly batch of comics when what caught my attention on the paperback rack was the eye-catching artwork by painter Bama of a bronze-skinned man wearing torn and tattered khaki. After reading the blurb on the back-cover, I was hooked. I'm pretty sure that some of you enjoyed Doc Savage too.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 25, 2014 05:47PM)
I loved the old Doc Savage stories, but I thought the 70's Ron Ely movie royally sucked. It failed to capture the flavor of what Doc and his allies really were.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 25, 2014 06:08PM)
[quote]On Oct 23, 2014, Donald Dunphy wrote:
This was released yesterday, and already has more than 19M views on Youtube. I don't know if it's been posted on another thread yet, but I didn't see it on this one, where we are discussing Marvel.

Teaser trailer for Marvel's "Avengers: Age of Ultron":

[youtube]tmeOjFno6Do[/youtube]

- Donald [/quote]

You will be hard pressed to find a DC movie that even compares. Which is why the answer to the OP is still, 'NO'. :D
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 25, 2014 06:23PM)
DC superheroes could team up with the Nazi Muslim Brotherhood to fight conflict and disease.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Oct 25, 2014 08:54PM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
I loved the old Doc Savage stories, but I thought the 70's Ron Ely movie royally sucked. It failed to capture the flavor of what Doc and his allies really were. [/quote]

Bodybuilder/actor Steve Reeves was coming out of retirement to do that movie. He stared as Hercules and Hercules unchained and many other films of the sword and sandal style of movies back in the 60's. He won Mr. Universe, Mr. America and Mr. World in France.

Something happened that made him to decide not to take the part and stay in retirement. Perhaps he read the script, and saw what they were going to do with this film.


Cheers.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 25, 2014 09:08PM)
Was a movie ever made based on the DC Blackhawks comics? Sacre Bleu! I learned all my French from the French guy.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 25, 2014 10:49PM)
I wish they would do an Asterix movie. Look it up if you get the chance.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 25, 2014 10:52PM)
Oh, I know Asterix pretty well. How was the Tin-Tin movie?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 26, 2014 07:28AM)
[quote]On Oct 25, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
I loved the old Doc Savage stories, but I thought the 70's Ron Ely movie royally sucked. It failed to capture the flavor of what Doc and his allies really were. [/quote]

GOD yes. we will probably never see a GOOD doc savage movie.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Oct 27, 2014 08:30PM)
Another Doc movie is in the works, so we shall see.

True to form, The Green Hornet was not in pulps (though he is a pulp-style hero), though he WAS in comic books during the 1940s.

Dynamite comics has revived a bunch of pulp heroes, including The Shadow, The Spider, The Black Bat, Doc Savage, The Avenger, Zorro, The Green Lama, Red Sonja and John Carter. They have also revived radio heroes Green Hornet and Lone Ranger.

I would like to see them tackle The Moon Man, The Purple Scar and Captain Satan.

http://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 28, 2014 12:08AM)
Anyone on the Blackhawk movie question?
No love for Chop-Chop?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 28, 2014 05:01PM)
[quote]On Oct 28, 2014, landmark wrote:
Anyone on the Blackhawk movie question?
No love for Chop-Chop? [/quote]
To answer your question, the only Blackhawk film I know of was the chapter-serial starring Kirk Alyn. Alyn also portrayed Superman in the movie-serials. Since you like Blackhawk, I presume you grew up during the 60s like I did. The Blackhawk villain that stands out for me was the one who was known for his so-called War-Wheel. It was a Giant Wheel that was also a rolling arsenal, if you can picture a Giant Wheel rolling by itself. Unless I'm mistaken, the villain sat in the Hub of the Giant Wheel.

During that time, there was another DC group like Blackhawk which was called Challengers of the Unknown. My favorite issue of that series was the one that did a cross-over with the DOOM PATROL. Remember that series?

As far as that Frenchie you mentioned in another post, Marvel's Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandoes also had a Frenchie. Seems that Marvel stole that idea from DC's Blackhawk, as Blackhawk began way back in the 1950s. Marvel tends to copycat, the worst copycat being Quicksilver which Marvel stole from DC's The Flash.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 1, 2014 06:32PM)
[quote]On Sep 28, 2014, landmark wrote:
So is Jhon J'onzz still around and is he still green? I think I once picked up a comic where he had turned a different color and I figured this whole comic world was becoming too complicated for me. [/quote]
I don't know about the color-change that you mentioned. To me, the Martian Manhunter always had green skin. But there are some Martians who have white skin, as Mars has more than one ethnicity. A notorious example is the villain,Commander Blanx, who caused the whole Justice League to become involved.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 1, 2014 07:01PM)
Well I did a little googling here. I remember him as this guy:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ty9S2Qi.jpg[/IMG]


But then I ran across this:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFrkrY6.jpg[/IMG]

I dunno. He seemed different. I guess it's really his costume and a bit of skin tone change. He always seemed like a filler guy, but he was more interesting than Superman to me because fire seemed like something more available to your average villain, and hence made the superhero less invulnerable seeming.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 1, 2014 07:20PM)
He has become much more prominent lately.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 2, 2014 11:57AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2014, landmark wrote:
Well I did a little googling here. I remember him as this guy:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ty9S2Qi.jpg[/IMG]


But then I ran across this:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFrkrY6.jpg[/IMG]

I dunno. He seemed different. I guess it's really his costume and a bit of skin tone change. He always seemed like a filler guy, but he was more interesting than Superman to me because fire seemed like something more available to your average villain, and hence made the superhero less invulnerable seeming. [/quote]
Another "weakness" of the Martian J'onzz (that is usually forgotten) is that (UNlike Superman) he can Not fly through the void of outer space. To travel to Mars, he has to use a spaceship or a teleportational device.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 2, 2014 01:19PM)
Not to mention matches.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Nov 2, 2014 02:09PM)
Rus faster.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 4, 2014 08:33AM)
"Here's Why Marvel Is Still Beating DC In The Comic Book Movie Wars"

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Here-Why-Marvel-Still-Beating-DC-Comic-Book-Movie-Wars-67974.html

"With Marvel, you get the sense that both the creative talent and executives care deeply about the source material and delivering projects that will please fans and movie-lovers alike. With DC, more specifically Warner Bros., it’s as if digging into their gigantic library is a chore, and the only reason they’re making these movies is to turn a profit. Warner Bros. also doesn’t seem to embrace DC Entertainment as an independent entity, which restricts their creative endeavors. "
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 8, 2014 07:36PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
Not to mention matches. [/quote]
Now that you mention it, I remember (in a 1960s issue) the Martian's horror when a bystander began smoking a Cigarette. When you think about it, cigarette use is so commonplace that you can find somebody smoking a cig on practically every city-block, usually several people at a time. So it's a wonder that J'onzz can survive.

Nowadays many restaurants don't allow any smoking on their premises, so at least that's someplace where J'onzz is safe.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Nov 9, 2014 03:03PM)
I remember a story in which the secret identities became separate from the heroes. After freaking out because all of his special Martian powers were gone (he was screaming "I'm blind!" although he could see perfectly well, but only in the visible spectrum) John Jones sits in his room lighting matches and staring into the flame... simply because he can. (In case you're wondering, Eel O'Brian, the wheelman who became Plastic Man, has to get everyone back with their respective "hero" identities because they're all beginning go lose it.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 15, 2014 07:40PM)
Several years ago, DC was trying to make J'onzz similar to Mr. Spock as far as his emotional Coldness. When Green Arrow asked J'onzz if he has emotions, J'onzz replied that he has them but that he suppresses them. Then when asked if he ever visited the planet Vulcan, and J'onzz said "No," Green Arrow remarked,"If you go there, you would feel right at home."

The last time I've seen him, J'onzz still seemed emotionally Cold, especially because nowadays his facial features are different in that his forehead and brow are so prominent that his eyeballs can Not be seen. Instead,his eyes look like dark empty sockets which make him appear Cold and distant. Quite a change from how he used to appear during the 1960s.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 15, 2014 09:29PM)
That's it Orville, the eyes. That's the big difference. I knew it was something.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 16, 2014 02:22PM)
I also thought that the green hornet movie and the shadow movie that came out a few years ago - both were not very good.

However I liked the Phantom movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 17, 2014 09:31PM)
Way to keep up with the discussion.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 17, 2014 10:43PM)
Over 30 superhero movies will be released in the next 6 years – here’s every single one

https://bgr.com/2014/11/17/every-superhero-movie-through-2020/
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 19, 2014 11:44AM)
[quote]On Nov 17, 2014, rockwall wrote:
Over 30 superhero movies will be released in the next 6 years – here’s every single one

https://bgr.com/2014/11/17/every-superhero-movie-through-2020/ [/quote]
EXHILARATING news, thanks for the update. You made my day!! The entire movie industry realizes that Superheroes are the Biggest moneymaker. So Superheroes are here to stay.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 19, 2014 12:27PM)
You know, when I was a kid, I loved two things. Comic books and movies. I dreamed of movies made of my favorite super heroes, The Fantastic Four, Spider Man, The X-Men. But I realized that they just didn't have the ability to capture these heroes powers and abilities realistically. I am now supremely happy that I'm living in an age where the dreams of my childhood have come true.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 20, 2014 05:06AM)
Super hero movies used to be made for the kids. As well as the writing of comic books. It was for the kids. However it was a long time coming - making super hero movies for adults.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 22, 2014 08:46PM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2014, bishthemagish wrote:
Super hero movies used to be made for the kids. As well as the writing of comic books. It was for the kids. However it was a long time coming - making super hero movies for adults. [/quote]
Even back during the 1960s, the series,The Elongated Man, had an adult flavor. That was because writer Gardner Fox had adapted the married couple of Ralph and Sue Dibny from the old 1930s movies of the Thin Man which was, in turn, adapted from the novel by the famous Dashiell Hammett. The basic idea (as in the Thin Man) was that both Ralph and Sue were a globe-trotting millionaire couple who solve criminal mysteries as a hobby. Big difference is Ralph Dibny has the bizarre superpower of Elasticity, being a literal human rubber-band. For example, in one story, Dibny wants to scrutinize something closely but has forgotten his magnifying glass, so he enlarges his own Eye-ball, enlarges his eye to the shape and size of a baseball. That way,presumably, his eyeball can see in magnification. I remember how much I was taken aback when I saw that, as it was so visually bizarre to see an eyeball that huge, especially when compared with his opposite eyeball which remained normal-sized.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 23, 2014 12:34AM)
Gardner Fox - didn't he also do DR Fate? I also remember he did early Batman.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 23, 2014 02:14PM)
Indeed he did--he created Doctor Fate. But his most famous creation is The Flash. Mr. Fox also introduced the concept of Parallel-worlds to the DC Universe. In other words, the Jay Garrick-Flash in one universe, and Barry Allen-Flash in another parallel universe. Actually the purpose of the idea was to iron out the discrepancies between the 1940's heroes and the 1960's heroes. For example, the discrepancy that the Superman of the 1940's having different powers than the Superman of the 1960's. The solution as conceptualized by Gardner Fox was to have those heroes in separate parallel universes.

Nowadays, scientists actually and seriously propound the theoretical existence of such universes. In fact, the Discovery Channel recently broadcast an hour-long documentary on that theory.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 27, 2014 11:26AM)
I always liked the JSA better than the JLA.

The JSA was the first super hero club that got together to fight crime. One of my favorite comic book series of the 60's was crisis on earth one - earth 2 and the most dangerous earth of all.

What I did not like about it was that they put the JLA ahead of the Having the JSA needing to be rescued by the JLA.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 27, 2014 02:36PM)
[quote]On Nov 27, 2014, bishthemagish wrote:
I always liked the JSA better than the JLA.

The JSA was the first super hero club that got together to fight crime. One of my favorite comic book series of the 60's was crisis on earth one - earth 2 and the most dangerous earth of all.

What I did not like about it was that they put the JLA ahead of the Having the JSA needing to be rescued by the JLA. [/quote]
True, the JSA was the first. But they had two heroes that disappointed me. Greatly disappointed me because they had No superpowers at all. They were Mr. Terrific and the 1940's Atom (NOT the Ray Palmer version). Why call them superheroes if they have No superpowers?
That's why when The Atom was revived for the Silver Age, Ray Palmer got the superpower of Size-control.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 27, 2014 03:10PM)
The atom of the JSA started off as a wrestler. Wildcat was a Boxer. I liked Star man with is gravity rod before it became the cosmic rod.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 28, 2014 03:33PM)
Hey Orville.

How did you feel about the Early JSA making Wonder Woman their secretary? Thus leaving her out of the action as often as not. They way the other heroes were played, she could have been argued was thier most powerful member. (Remember, Dr. Fate was on reduced power at that time, Green Lantern was much less powerful than Hal would become, and Flash was fast, but could not do as much.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 29, 2014 05:53PM)
Batman and Green Arrow have no super powers.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 29, 2014 07:34PM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2014, Cliffg37 wrote:
Hey Orville.

How did you feel about the Early JSA making Wonder Woman their secretary? Thus leaving her out of the action as often as not. They way the other heroes were played, she could have been argued was thier most powerful member. (Remember, Dr. Fate was on reduced power at that time, Green Lantern was much less powerful than Hal would become, and Flash was fast, but could not do as much.) [/quote]

Hi Cliff. Interesting question you have. That reminds me of the old situation in the Legion of Superheroes where the Male heroes would tell Saturn-Girl that a particular mission is too dangerous for her, so she was left in the clubhouse for her own "safety." As time went on, though, that changed considerably when she not only received equal treatment but was even elected as Legion Leader! So apparently that initial male arrogance was found not only in the JSA but also in the Legion.

When you said that Doctor Fate was on Reduced power at that time, do you mean when he began using the HALF-mask? Since the disembodied spirit of Nabu occupies the helmet, it would take over and possess Kent Nelson. So Nelson, in order to give himself some independence, fashioned a Half-mask. The trade-off, though, is that it reduced the power. So I wonder if you are referring to that particular time.

And what about the Spectre?? You did Not include him. Wasn't he there too? I think Spectre was already powerful at that time --even Omnipotent. After all, he is supposed to be the Arch-Angel Michael, the most powerful of all the angels.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 30, 2014 10:20AM)
Sure Orville, the half mask Dr. Fate is what I meant.

Alright, so you got me with The Spectre, He certainly was the most powerful. I don't think he was played that way in those days, but he is not one to mess with. I remember a special story in the 70's that was a flashback to World War Two. The Specter is standing in the middle of the ocean, basically belly and above visible out of the water, and he is smashing a German ship. Don't know who drew that, but the artwork was brilliant. Captioned with a line that was something like, "Why is this German sailor screaming? Wouldn't you?" Amazing work.

The problem with The Spectre is I don't think any writer really knew what to do with him. His run from the 70's had him as a vengeful and almost evil spirit. His Arch-angel status I beleive, came later on, and was a good direction to take, but it raises the level of the stories away from human experiences. ie. Why would an arch-angel concern himself with a purse snatching? It kind of makes it hard to write for him.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Nov 30, 2014 03:36PM)
I remember those stories. I liked the Spectre. I find that the more powerful the super hero the harder it is to write for them. That is why they have friends and some of them have secret ID's.

I think Superman is hard to write. The 50's TV show made the show mostly about Clark, Jimmy, Lois and the Chief - Don't call me Chief. The movie Iron man was like this in a way that the movie was about Tony Stark and his rich and crazy world as it was on becoming Iron man.

Still I like the Jsa a lot better than the jla.
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Dec 1, 2014 04:24PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, NYCTwister wrote:


A team-up movie (Hulk and Spiderman?!)

[/quote]

Really? after The Avengers you still want a team-up?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 2, 2014 08:08AM)
[quote]On Nov 27, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:
[quote]On Nov 27, 2014, bishthemagish wrote:
I always liked the JSA better than the JLA.

The JSA was the first super hero club that got together to fight crime. One of my favorite comic book series of the 60's was crisis on earth one - earth 2 and the most dangerous earth of all.

What I did not like about it was that they put the JLA ahead of the Having the JSA needing to be rescued by the JLA. [/quote]
True, the JSA was the first. But they had two heroes that disappointed me. Greatly disappointed me because they had No superpowers at all. They were Mr. Terrific and the 1940's Atom (NOT the Ray Palmer version). Why call them superheroes if they have No superpowers?
That's why when The Atom was revived for the Silver Age, Ray Palmer got the superpower of Size-control. [/quote]

Quite a few superheroes had no super powers. Batman, Green Arrow, The Vigilante, as you said the original Atom and Mr. Terrific.
They were still "super" heroes because they were still willing to put themselves out there protecting humanity.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Dec 2, 2014 02:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 27, 2014, Orville_Smith wrote:

True, the JSA was the first. But they had two heroes that disappointed me. Greatly disappointed me because they had No superpowers at all. They were Mr. Terrific and the 1940's Atom (NOT the Ray Palmer version). Why call them superheroes if they have No superpowers?
That's why when The Atom was revived for the Silver Age, Ray Palmer got the superpower of Size-control. [/quote]
I always liked Ray Palmer the Atom because he had the size and weight control. And his traveling through the phone lines. Adventures on micro worlds etc. The Justice League Unlimited seemed to turn him into a wimp that preferred research over the JLA adventures.

The Atom of the JSA later on got the Atomic punch. I thought that was a little strange for a wrestler as they are known for holds and takedowns rather than hitting people. The punch should have been written for Wildcat.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 6, 2014 08:22PM)
Glad to see somebody else besides me who likes The Atom (Ray Palmer). What impresses me about the writer Gardner Fox is that in The Atom series,he could take even preposterous and outlandish situations and yet make them believable. A great example is the story "The Atomic Flea." In the splash-page, Ray Palmer as The Atom is shown as being part of an actual Flea Circus, participating in a Tug-of-War with other fleas. And The Atom even thinks he is a flea himself! Reading this, I'm sure most of you will think this is too ludicrous. But writer Gardner Fox made it plausible by explaining it as an exposure to Protonic radiation (which was an important part of the story). The exposure to the radiation made The Atom think he was the first thing that he saw when he awoke from being knocked unconscious at a carnival. That same radiation made even the people near him think he was a flea too. I know most of you will still think it's too ludicrous, but you would have had to have actually seen that story yourself to have been drawn into the fantasy as I was.

What made that story particularly appealing to me was that around that same time, I saw a TV news-clip which showed a Flea Circus, so realizing that there are actual flea circuses in real life added to the charm of the Atom story. Surprisingly, whenever I mention Flea Circuses to anybody, they don't believe me. They think I'm joking. I would need a laptop with me to show them the Flea Circus on the Youtube video.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 7, 2014 05:38PM)
I thought, with the exception of "Agents of SHIELD," Marvel would let DC keep television and concentrate on movies. Now I've discovered they're going to do 4 13 episode miniseries of Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Daredevil and Jessica Jones (retired super hero, now a private detective) when those shows are finished, they're going to be merged into "The Defenders." I'm kind of disappointed that we won't see the "original" Defenders, Dr. Strange, Submariner and Hulk. Hulk had nicknames for each person in the Defenders and a key moment was when he was trying to find out where Nighthawk was; "Where is Bird-nose?" ignored, "Where is Bird-nose?" ignored "How come no one answers Hulk when Hulk says, WHERE IS BIRD-NOSE?"
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 24, 2014 07:42PM)
When you mentioned the Defenders, it reminded me of that DC group, the FORGOTTEN HEROES. It was just a mini-series but unique because it took very Obscure characters and united them into a group. One of the members was Rip Hunter the Time Master who had built his own time-travel machine. Recently, I actually purchased a copy of "Showcase Presents Rip Hunter." Normally, I would Not be that interested in that series, but the black-and-white reprint-book was less than $20 and with so many issues reprinted in its 500 pages that I could not pass up that bargain. So I bought it.

Those "Showcase Presents" reprint-books are so affordable because they are printed in black and white and on low-quality paper. On the other hand, the DC-ARCHIVES do the reprints in Hard-cover books with high-quality glossy-paper, so are quite expensive. The only times I buy those hard-covers are when they reprint my favorites, such as THE FLASH and also THE ATOM.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 27, 2014 08:01PM)
Was re-reading a Justice League back-issue #4 (Doom of the Star-Diamond) that came out way back in 1961 where Green Arrow got inducted, at which I noticed something odd. In the segment where Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter battle giant-insects, I notice their location is Keystone City. What's odd about it is that Keystone City is actually a city on the Parallel Earth of the Other-dimensional Earth-TWO, so NOT on Earth-One where the JLA adventures take place. (To be more specific, Keystone City is the city on Earth-TWO where the Jay Garrick version of Flash resides.) Is that a discrepancy? I wonder. Whatever the case, it's an oddity.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 27, 2014 10:35PM)
Heros are big now. TV and movies.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Dec 29, 2014 02:33PM)
How can one catch up with the other?

Have the same conglomerate buy BOTH, natch!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 31, 2014 07:30PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2014, Steve_Mollett wrote:
How can one catch up with the other?

Have the same conglomerate buy BOTH, natch! [/quote]

Sounds good, Steve. Wish that would happen. Even as a DC fan myself, I get tired of the Superman and Batman movies because they are the only DC movies that are produced. So it's high time for a movie about The Flash. Instead of DC making that current TV-series of The Flash, they should have made a movie. Because the special effects I see on the current TV series are spectacular enough for the theatrical screen, for example, the TV episode where The Flash pitted his super-speed against a tornado created by the Weather Wizard. Spectacular enough for presentation on the theatrical screen.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 2, 2015 10:26PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I always loved the old Superman show when he would take six bullets in the chest, and then duck when they threw the gun. [/quote]

I remember an old episode (1st season) where the villain shot Superman several times, then there was a shot of the villain reacting to the fact that his gun was empty and Superman's voice said; "Now what are you going to do with the empty gun?" The villain throws the gun at Superman and it bounces off his chest.

George Reeves may have started "ducking" after awhile, but at first they did try to have the guns bounce off of him as well.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 2, 2015 10:28PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
A Hulk fan?

Let me ask this if I may. Which type of Hulk do you prefer? The mindless rampaging smashing Hulk, the sort of intelligent can converse Hulk or the too smart to be the Hulk Hulk?

World War Hulk he shifted between the last 2. [/quote]

As I mentioned somewhere else in this thread, my favorite Hulk would be the angry tantrum child-like Hulk used in The Defenders.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 2, 2015 10:38PM)
Always my favorite. Right on the edge of out of control.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 3, 2015 08:13PM)
While you're at it about the Hulk, I think that DC's answer to the Hulk is Solomon Grundy. The first time I ran across Solomon Grundy was in that Showcase issue during the 1960s when DC was reviving the Golden Age Heroes, so in that issue, they revived both Dr. Fate and Hourman at the same time. Basically,I wanted that issue because I knew that Dr. Fate had mystical-type powers. But I was disappointed because most of the story centered on the Golden Age Green Lantern.
But I got compensated when in a later issue, Dr. Fate and Hourman came back again, this time to fight the Psycho-Pirate, a villain who can control other people's Emotions. In the end, Dr. Fate put a BLANK-mask over Psycho-Pirate's face so his facial expressions can not cause Emotions. The Psycho-Pirate must be extremely powerful because later on,he appeared in The Spectre's magazine, where his emotion-power caused innocent people to get terrified at the sight of The Spectre. Anybody who can influence The Spectre must be powerful indeed!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 4, 2015 05:54PM)
Batman had a villain called "The Blockbuster" who appears to be much closer to The Hulk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_%28DC_Comics%29
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 9, 2015 08:18PM)
[quote]On Jan 4, 2015, ed rhodes wrote:
Batman had a villain called "The Blockbuster" who appears to be much closer to The Hulk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_%28DC_Comics%29 [/quote]

It can become confusing because there is more than one Blockbuster. I had only known of just ONE Blockbuster until you provided that link. The version of Blockbuster I am referring to is one which appeared back during the 1960s when the Justice League teamed up with the Justice Society. A mysterious phenomenon was causing inhabitants from Earth-One and Earth-Two to inexplicably teleport from one Earth to the other. Among those teleported was Blockbuster. So both the JLA and JSA had to determine the cause of the phenomenon.
To even further compound the crisis, the two Earths were being slowly drawn to each other for a collision, and it was The Spectre alone whose body (grown to gigantic size) spread-eagled between the two Earths which kept them from colliding. That showed you the Near-Godlike omnipotence of The Spectre because he made his body grow as gigantic as the whole Earth itself in order to keep the two Earths apart. That's why I usually do Not like The Spectre as his powers often rival those of God himself. At the same time, though, I realize how integral he was to the story.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 11:00AM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2015, ed rhodes wrote:
George Reeves may have started "ducking" after awhile, but at first they did try to have the guns bounce off of him as well. [/quote]
I saw David Brenner do his comedy routine on the Mike Douglas show and say the same thing. When the gun was thrown Superman would duck. Noel Neill who played Lois on the series was also a guest. At the sit down she contradicted just about everything that was in David Brenner's comedy routine including Superman ducking the gun. Superman flying and they never showed his whole body on camera was also contradicted.

Tony Curtis never said in a movie Yonder to the castle of my fadder.

Tarzan never said - Me Tarzan you Jane on film.

However it made it into comedy routines that audiences seem to want to remember as a movie fact.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 1, 2015 12:57PM)
Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf1r8-Snss

Wow first post back and you are wrong already.

Look at 1:05 and superman DUCKS THE GUN.

Did she contradict that?

Maybe your memory is failing?

Seems as if not ducking and bouncing off may not have been accurate. This took literally ten seconds to find. She may very well have said it but she was OBVIOUSLY quite wrong.

I have no ideas a what Tony Curtis or Tarzan said.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 1, 2015 04:47PM)
Back to the original subject of the thread.

As far as the movies are concerned DC certainly has a ways to go. They may be too far behind already since Marvel has already put many of their characters into big budget successes, with more planned than DC.

On the small screen DC is far ahead. The Flash is great, what with the Arrow crossovers and the upcoming introduction of the Atom.

Arrow is cool, with its own cast of minor heroes and the Ras Al Gul sub plot.

The way they're writing both shows with an eye to what's going on I'm the other is really smart. I can see many guest appearances happening (Batman in Arrow, battling Ras anyone?)

Gotham has been a pleasant surprise. I wasn't sure about the whole Gotham before Batman thing, but they've done a great job. The slow evolutions of the Riddler and Penguin are being handled well.

On the other hand Marvel has SHIELD and not much else. Agent Carter was a poor choice for a second series IMO.

They should have went with the Hulk, because Hulk smashes!

One thing is sure, both companies have so much history to draw from and so much money, that the fans win either way.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 1, 2015 04:55PM)
I was excited about Gotham and am not disappointed. Great casting.

The Flash has been interesting as well and Arrow remains strong in my opinion.

Have not yet seen Agent Carter.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 05:21PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf1r8-Snss

Wow first post back and you are wrong already.

Look at 1:05 and superman DUCKS THE GUN.

Did she contradict that?

Maybe your memory is failing?

Seems as if not ducking and bouncing off may not have been accurate. This took literally ten seconds to find. She may very well have said it but she was OBVIOUSLY quite wrong.

I have no ideas a what Tony Curtis or Tarzan said. [/quote]

So what - That is what she said and "she" was on the show. Please keep in mind that the clip is "early" Adventures of Superman. And at the time Lois was probably played by Phyllis Coates. It probably never did happen after Noel Neill took over the part of Lois. (Phyllis Coates (1952–1953) Noel Neill (1953–1958)

The rest of your post is just the regular Danny Bull Spit and not worth responding to.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 05:41PM)
I always thought that DC had better superhero's and Marvel had better writers.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 1, 2015 05:42PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I was excited about Gotham and am not disappointed. Great casting.

The Flash has been interesting as well and Arrow remains strong in my opinion.

Have not yet seen Agent Carter. [/quote]

I'm interested in seeing how they develop the young Bruce Wayne. He's still kind of in shock and getting used to being the billionaire heir. If the show runs 7 plus years he'll be a hard character to keep relevant, which will be weird since, well, he's the whole reason anyone knows about Gotham.

Agent Carter is just too fringe, and the 50's is a hard era to make interesting. I couldn't get into the pilot.

Since I'm in Florida recuperating, I'm gonna binge watch the first bunch of episodes, but I'm not too hopeful.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 1, 2015 05:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
I always thought that DC had better superhero's and Marvel had better writers. [/quote]

I always preferred Marvel because the heroes always seemed more relatable, more a part of the society they were involved in. Also more vulnerable.

Tomato - tomahto.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 06:15PM)
I also feel that DC's best stories were in the 50's, 60's and early 70's.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 1, 2015 06:26PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf1r8-Snss

Wow first post back and you are wrong already.

Look at 1:05 and superman DUCKS THE GUN.

Did she contradict that?

Maybe your memory is failing?

Seems as if not ducking and bouncing off may not have been accurate. This took literally ten seconds to find. She may very well have said it but she was OBVIOUSLY quite wrong.

I have no ideas a what Tony Curtis or Tarzan said. [/quote]

So what - That is what she said and "she" was on the show. Please keep in mind that the clip is "early" Adventures of Superman. And at the time Lois was probably played by Phyllis Coates. It probably never did happen after Noel Neill took over the part of Lois. (Phyllis Coates (1952–1953) Noel Neill (1953–1958)

The rest of your post is just the regular Danny Bull Spit and not worth responding to. [/quote]

On earth most people just say "wow I guess I was wrong".

The point is that it DID HAPPEN.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 06:31PM)
I guess this is more Danny bull spit perhaps trying to derail another thread. Where I come from on my earth professional entertainers don't go around and run down other professionals.

Getting back to DC and Marvel.

I liked the early Spiderman in the 60's and the cartoon series that is now on DVD that I used to watch on Saturday Mourning. It was a lot better than the cartoon DC stuff like Superfriends.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 1, 2015 06:55PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
I guess this is more Danny bull spit perhaps trying to derail another thread. Where I come from on my earth professional entertainers don't go around and run down other professionals.

[/quote]

Clearly when you claimed incorrectly that he never ducked the gun that was your version of being professional.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 1, 2015 07:07PM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:

Clearly when you claimed incorrectly that he never ducked the gun that was your version of being professional. [/quote]

Here is what I said.....

[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:

I saw David Brenner do his comedy routine on the Mike Douglas show and say the same thing. When the gun was thrown Superman would duck. Noel Neill who played Lois on the series was also a guest. At the sit down she contradicted just about everything that was in David Brenner's comedy routine including Superman ducking the gun. Superman flying and they never showed his whole body on camera was also contradicted.

Tony Curtis never said in a movie Yonder to the castle of my fadder.

Tarzan never said - Me Tarzan you Jane on film.

However it made it into comedy routines that audiences seem to want to remember as a movie fact. [/quote]

Clearly I am just reporting on what was said on a TV show by one of the people that starred in the Superman series. So clearly you did not read the post or comprehend the post or your just trying to start another fight over NOTHING! Or your trying to derail another thread over trivia. I really don't know what your problem is - however it is YOUR problem. Good luck with that!

Plus there were two different people that played Lois. Try reading and comprehending my above posts.

Getting back to DC and Marvel I like the animated Batman, Batman beyond and the Justice league as well as Young Justice series that came out a few years ago.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 2, 2015 05:31AM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGf1r8-Snss

Wow first post back and you are wrong already.

Look at 1:05 and superman DUCKS THE GUN.

Did she contradict that?

Maybe your memory is failing?

Seems as if not ducking and bouncing off may not have been accurate. This took literally ten seconds to find. She may very well have said it but she was OBVIOUSLY quite wrong.

I have no ideas a what Tony Curtis or Tarzan said. [/quote]

Humphrey Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam." Cary Grant never said; "Judy, Judy, Judy" Bette Davis never said; "Peter, give me the letter."

But I did see an episode where they emptied a gun into Superman. A close up of the bad guy with George Reeves voice off screen saying; "...and now what are you going to do with the empty gun?" Followed by the bad guy throwing the gun and it bouncing off George's chest.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 2, 2015 07:31AM)
[quote]On Feb 1, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:

Getting back to DC and Marvel I like the animated Batman, Batman beyond and the Justice league as well as Young Justice series that came out a few years ago. [/quote]

Like the TV vs. movie situation DC has the advantage when it comes to the TV series, Marvel when it comes to the feature length stuff.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Feb 5, 2015 11:11AM)
DC' movies like the Man of steel and the Dark Knight Batman series were in my opinion some of the worst superhero movies ever made. Badly written, and they were way to long - and in my opinion there is nothing worse than a long badly written movie that goes on and on with one badly written moment after another.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 5, 2015 12:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
DC' movies like the Man of steel and the Dark Knight Batman series were in my opinion some of the worst superhero movies ever made. Badly written, and they were way to long - and in my opinion there is nothing worse than a long badly written movie that goes on and on with one badly written moment after another. [/quote]

Yep

Let's face it we go to see such movies for the action. The subplot(s) should always take a back seat to the fight scenes.

Avenger 2 coming soon to a theatre near you!
Can't wait.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 1, 2015 02:55PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I always loved the old Superman show when he would take six bullets in the chest, and then duck when they threw the gun. [/quote]
This only happened "once" in the entire series. This happened when Phyllis Coates (The first Lois Lane) was part of the Superman cast. And it was before Noel Neill took over as Lois.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 1, 2015 04:47PM)
Just can't admit you were wrong can you?

I don't care if it happened once, I still liked it and found it funny. It has nothing to do with who played Lois. Get over yourself.

Again is this another example of you being professional?
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 1, 2015 05:50PM)
Rant on - and on - and on and on Danny.

I have already responded to all of this above. I care little when unprofessional back stabbers insult me.

It indeed shows my professionalism in the way I have responded. Thanks for proving my point about professionalism and being a professional. I am so glad that I always take the high road.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 1, 2015 07:33PM)
Yes I believe it does level of professionalism.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Mar 1, 2015 09:50PM)
You can't say he "never" ducked because obviously he did. You can't say he "always" ducked because I saw a sequence where he didn't. (I wish I could find it.) Apparently there was at least one sequence with Phyliss Coates (1st television Lois) where he ducked and apparently Noel Neil (1st serial Lois and 2nd television Lois) never saw him duck.

Can that be it now?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 1, 2015 10:37PM)
I sure can't figure out why anyone would redirect the thread for those comments but whatever floats his boat.

Now has anyone kept up with The Flash or Gotham or Arrow? I caught most of them in the Dominican Republic believe it or not and really liked them. Haven't seen the end of the season yet on any of them.

Now I have not seen agents of shield yet out agent Carter. I will catch up on them.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 01:33AM)
I happen to be a fan of the old Adventures of Superman TV show. I met Noel Neill at the Superman day at Old Chicago Amusement Park. Back when I worked at the Marshall Brodien Magic Shop. I also met Clayton Moore who played the Lone Ranger who also did a personal appearance there on a different promotion.

Re-runs can be seen of the Adventures of Superman on Me-TV.

Also re-runs of the Adam West Batman and the Linda Carter Wonderwoman are also on Me-TV.

For me they are far more entertaining than what is on today - Arrow, The Flash could have been a lot better with better writing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 08:03AM)
Do you mean to say those series were written better?

I enjoyed the old Batman but took it for what it was. A joke. I think comparing it to any superhero genra series offered today is apples and oranges.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 08:49AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:

Now has anyone kept up with The Flash or Gotham or Arrow? I caught most of them in the Dominican Republic believe it or not and really liked them. Haven't seen the end of the season yet on any of them.

Now I have not seen agents of shield yet out agent Carter. I will catch up on them. [/quote]

I follow them all.

Arrow is kind of floundering, with some obvious plot indescrepancies.

Flash is very good. They just introduced Firestorm and The Atom.

Gotham is surprisingly good. Well written and fast paced. Though Bruce is just a boy they're showing the steel he has inside. He's about to go through a fight for Wayne Enterprises as the corrupt board is trying to take it away from him.
There's an Arkham Asylum subplot that's simmering. When it comes to a boil it will be interesting to see how they keep the series cohesive.
They also just introduced The Joker. It seems that he killed his mom, but IDK if that is the same as the comic.
(I only had enough money to collect Marvel as a child. :( )

SHIELD is on hiatus until mid March. Supposedly when they come back there'll be a new story direction.

I'm going to binge watch what there is of Agent Carter but, from what I saw in the pilot, I'm not expecting much.
Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I wonder why Marvel doesn't do a more mainstream character as a series, like maybe, oh I don't know, THE HULK?

Anyway I'm desperately keeping away from Avengers 2 trailers. Two months and counting down!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 10:34AM)
Arrow did start strong and yes seems to have settled in and may be floundering.

I hope the Flash can sustain itself. I really like the cat built around him which Ib the end has to drive the story.

Marvel yea I am going to do the binge watch on both to see how that goes. I think they are trying to keep the mainstream characters for movies. Especially since they just got back Spidy and the FF and X dudes. But someone mainstream had to hit TV if they want anyone but you and me and Rockwall to watch!

Gotham has been great. Character development and stories have been intriguing. Penguin has been the real attitude for me. Also the development of the Riddler is interesting.

All in all DC is doing well on TV.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 11:07AM)
The Flash has a lot wrong with it. First off Berry Alan doesn't look like Berry Alan of the 60's comic book. The second thing I don't like about it is that Berry's mother dies and his dad is in jail for it? That storyline is not at all good. It is like they turned the Flash into Kid Flash.

Then there is the story line of Bang Babies that was used in the cartoon Static Shock as a way to explain how they all got their super powers. That worked for Static but why did they write it into the Flash.

Then there is the Reverse Flash storyline. It appears that the Reverse Flash is Berry Alan's mentor - gee how movie Batman like Batman trained by Ra's Ala Ghul?

Not much to like but when it is the only thing on - I watch it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 11:14AM)
I tend to accept things for what they are as opposed to what I think they should be.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 11:30AM)
I tend to like writing in a series where the writers work a little harder and don't copy cat as much. As for the Flash's uniform designed by a team of scientists that don't exist in the Flash's comic book world of the 60's. Hey lets have a lot of people know the hero's secret ID. The Flash designed his own outfit.

And then there is the storyline that the Flash was raised by the Chief of Police and Iris and him grew up in the same house?

Now here it what I think of Arrow. It had a good start - but why do so many people have to know his secret ID? And again lets have him lose his billions like Bruce Wayne did in the Batman movie. And lets have him fight Ra's Ala Ghul?

Not very good writing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 12:09PM)
You don't like them to copy but are upset they don't copy the 60s Flash story?

Ib think the point is to re imagine the story for a 2015 audience. I think they are succeeding.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 12:12PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
I tend to like writing in a series where the writers work a little harder and don't copy cat as much. As for the Flash's uniform designed by a team of scientists that don't exist in the Flash's comic book world of the 60's. Hey lets have a lot of people know the hero's secret ID. The Flash designed his own outfit.

And then there is the storyline that the Flash was raised by the Chief of Police and Iris and him grew up in the same house?

Now here it what I think of Arrow. It had a good start - but why do so many people have to know his secret ID? And again lets have him lose his billions like Bruce Wayne did in the Batman movie. And lets have him fight Ra's Ala Ghul?

Not very good writing. [/quote]

I get what you're saying but I look at it as another way of reinventing the characters, similar to what's done in the books.

Like they said in my old neighborhood - Sauseech his own.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 12:22PM)
Pity good TV is a thing of the past.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 12:26PM)
Reinventing the characters?

Why reinvent the wheel?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 2, 2015 12:51PM)
So take a look at the old Adventures of Superman show, or 1960's Batman, or The Long Ranger etc. There was never any attempt to move the characters along in any of these shows. They each lasted as long as they did, by having the "villain of the week" fight the hero. For the most part, heroes of the 70's and 80's were the same. Lou Ferigno was once quotes as to how much he hated the TV show "Wonder Woman" because it ran for three years with no character development of any kind. He also petitioned for having the Hulk show some emotion because he wanted character development too.

Maybe it was Smallville to be there first "hero" show to spend more time on behind the scenes relationships and less time on heroics and action. It worked I guess.

Bottom line is that shows will be produced that make money, so it comes down to what the sponsors think the public wants. Me? I like the action adventure more than the sexual tension and who is with who. On Arrow we just saw a major character in bed with a minor one. I didn't need that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 12:53PM)
What is the point of telling exactly the same story?

But that is your preference and that is ok. No right answer. Actually it is the right answer for you.

People re imagine the wheel all the time. Put rubber on it and use it for all sorts of things like the pulley and gears.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 12:59PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
Reinventing the characters?

Why reinvent the wheel? [/quote]


The Model T had wheels too.

Me? I like it what they're doing.

Like I said, to each his own.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Mar 2, 2015 01:23PM)
The writers of the show can do what they want.

Me as a fan - I can like it for whatever reason - or not like it for whatever reason.

My choice. And I don't like Arrow or the Flash or Gotham.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 2, 2015 01:33PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
...
I wonder why Marvel doesn't do a more mainstream character as a series, like maybe, oh I don't know, THE HULK?

...[/quote]

I don't know if you consider them mainstream but Marvel has several TV shows in the works with Netflix.

http://collider.com/netflix-marvel-tv-schedule/

"Marvel’s new TV series Daredevil is set to arrive on Netflix on April 10th, and will be followed by A.K.A. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist. However, when we will see three series remains to be seen. We know Marvel’s plan is for these four series to lead up to the cross-over series, The Defenders. However, when exactly we’ll get these series and how often is unclear. Daredevil showrunner Steven DeKnight has hinted at a second season of Daredevil that would introduce arch-nemesis Bullseye, but would that second season arrive before or after Defenders?"

Personally, I'm a huge Marvel comic book fan but nothing on TV has impressed me yet, Marvel OR DC so I don't hold out a lot of hope for any of these shows. Hopefully, I'll be surprised.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 2, 2015 01:45PM)
Here's the trailer for Daredevil.

[youtube]KQzRs6UCbuI[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 02:14PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
The writers of the show can do what they want.

Me as a fan - I can like it for whatever reason - or not like it for whatever reason.

My choice. And I don't like Arrow or the Flash or Gotham. [/quote]

Fair enough.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 02:21PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
The writers of the show can do what they want.

Me as a fan - I can like it for whatever reason - or not like it for whatever reason.

My choice. And I don't like Arrow or the Flash or Gotham. [/quote]

Fair enough. [/quote]

Which was our point all along.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 02:25PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
...
I wonder why Marvel doesn't do a more mainstream character as a series, like maybe, oh I don't know, THE HULK?

...[/quote]

I don't know if you consider them mainstream but Marvel has several TV shows in the works with Netflix.

http://collider.com/netflix-marvel-tv-schedule/

"Marvel’s new TV series Daredevil is set to arrive on Netflix on April 10th, and will be followed by A.K.A. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist. However, when we will see three series remains to be seen. We know Marvel’s plan is for these four series to lead up to the cross-over series, The Defenders. However, when exactly we’ll get these series and how often is unclear. Daredevil showrunner Steven DeKnight has hinted at a second season of Daredevil that would introduce arch-nemesis Bullseye, but would that second season arrive before or after Defenders?"

Personally, I'm a huge Marvel comic book fan but nothing on TV has impressed me yet, Marvel OR DC so I don't hold out a lot of hope for any of these shows. Hopefully, I'll be surprised. [/quote]

Rockwall sometimes you are a fount of information. :)

Everything could always be better, but so far it has been pretty good and at times excellent.

I'm just going to come out and say it, I like the superhero genre for two reasons.
1. To see good triumph over evil.
and
2. For the action scenes.

That's why I want a Hulk TV show. To see HULK SMASH!!

In between moments of retrospection of course.
.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 02:29PM)
I am looking forward to DD.

Stick is one of my favorite charters. Scott Glenn will bring him to life in the series and I think will do a great job.

Also consider the expense and production costs of doing The Hulk well. Probably better reserved for movies.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 2, 2015 02:31PM)
Disney has an animated Avengers with some great smashing and Hulk VS Thor moments.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 2, 2015 02:38PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am looking forward to DD.

Stick is one of my favorite charters. Scott Glenn will bring him to life in the series and I think will do a great job.

Also consider the expense and production costs of doing The Hulk well. Probably better reserved for movies. [/quote]

Daredevil looks cool.

I'm glad that they didn't try to make too many superhero movies and TV shows until the CGI got good enough.
The old stuff is painful to watch.

Hopefully it will get cheap enough that it will be feasible in the near future.
They use quite a bit in The Flash, but not to the extent that they are doing full characters.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Mar 4, 2015 12:51PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Disney has an animated Avengers with some great smashing and Hulk VS Thor moments. [/quote]

My kid liked one joke that [i]must[/i] have gone over almost everyone's head; Captain America is giving orders and his final order is that Hulk and a couple of others stay behind and defend the base. Hulk looks at him and says; "Do I look like a defender to you?" Hulk of course was one of the first three Defenders along with Dr. Strange and Sub Mariner. (The original premise of The Defenders was to get characters that DIDN'T work in teams and put them in a "loose" team to see how they would react.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_%28comics%29

I kinda miss third person child like Hulk.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 4, 2015 12:59PM)
Yea that was a great inside baseball joke.

This Hulk is a nice blend I think. The episode where they all sort of become Hulk and have to deal with his anger issues is pretty cool.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 4, 2015 04:43PM)
Look away if you're trying to avoid watching any trailers of the upcoming Avengers movie. Here is the latest, release today. Most of it is new and it is AMAZING! Be sure to watch it to the end to get the first real shot of The Vision.

[youtube]JAUoeqvedMo[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 4, 2015 05:59PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Look away if you're trying to avoid watching any trailers of the upcoming Avengers movie. Here is the latest, release today. Most of it is new and it is AMAZING! Be sure to watch it to the end to get the first real shot of The Vision.

[youtube]JAUoeqvedMo[/youtube] [/quote]

I've waited this long I can wait 58 MORE DAYS!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Mar 6, 2015 10:12PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, Cliffg37 wrote:
So take a look at the old Adventures of Superman show, or 1960's Batman, or The Long Ranger etc. There was never any attempt to move the characters along in any of these shows. They each lasted as long as they did, by having the "villain of the week" fight the hero. For the most part, heroes of the 70's and 80's were the same. Lou Ferigno was once quotes as to how much he hated the TV show "Wonder Woman" because it ran for three years with no character development of any kind. He also petitioned for having the Hulk show some emotion because he wanted character development too.

Maybe it was Smallville to be there first "hero" show to spend more time on behind the scenes relationships and less time on heroics and action. It worked I guess.

Bottom line is that shows will be produced that make money, so it comes down to what the sponsors think the public wants. Me? I like the action adventure more than the sexual tension and who is with who. On Arrow we just saw a major character in bed with a minor one. I didn't need that. [/quote]

Fair enough. I think you're in a minority as most people want some sort of character development in their shows no matter what the format.

Look at "Bones." It went from two people solving crimes to having a kid and getting married (and don't think the getting married part didn't factor into the show, they had an entire thread where a psychopath demanded that the guy (Booth) break off his engagement to Bones and not tell her why or the psycho would kill her. Took them a whole season to clear that one up.

I like to see character development. I don't think the "villain of the week" plots would fly today.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 7, 2015 04:53PM)
TCM is showing the old 1943 Lewis Wilson Batman serial. Sure is fun to watch, and in a lot of ways I enjoy it a lot more than George Clooney and Val Kilmer versions!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 14, 2015 07:41PM)
I agree with Cliff that there is too much emphasis on character-development nowadays. SOME character development can be good but doing it to excess can turn it into a nauseating soap-opera, as witness the Spiderman stories. Most of the customers who buy comics do so because they want adventure rather than a nauseating soap-opera. What also makes it detrimental is that the science-fiction is thereby forced into the background. In comparison, if you look at the Justice League from the 1960s, the issues written by Gardner Fox, there was a tremendous outpouring of innovative science-fiction ideas. That is what I enjoyed and preferred about the 1960s. I think Cliff feels the same as I do since I recall him mentioning he has amassed a complete collection of the 1960s JLA.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 11:24AM)
I still think the Adam West Batman TV show is the best Batman to date. I love his bat-gear, Batmobile, Batcycle, Batcoptor, batboat. And bat anti shark repellent.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2015 11:35AM)
Yea if you want great writing and character development that is the place to find it for sure. Oh wait I meant the other thing.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 10, 2015 01:43PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Look away if you're trying to avoid watching any trailers of the upcoming Avengers movie. Here is the latest, release today. Most of it is new and it is AMAZING! Be sure to watch it to the end to get the first real shot of The Vision.

[youtube]JAUoeqvedMo[/youtube] [/quote]

I've waited this long I can wait 58 MORE DAYS! [/quote]

21 more days!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2015 02:16PM)
The Daredevil on Netflix starts soon.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 03:07PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea if you want great writing and character development that is the place to find it for sure. Oh wait I meant the other thing. [/quote]

Indeed, the writing was great. There was slap stick comedy written into the Adam West Batman series that was akin to the slap stick comedy of the classic vaudeville acts of a by gone age. The show was classic vaudeville family time for a modern TV audience (of it's day).

But I would not expect you to know anything about the history of vaudeville and slap stick comedy.

And I am not looking forward to Daredevil. It will probably be low grade.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 10, 2015 04:15PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
What is the point of telling exactly the same story?

But that is your preference and that is ok. No right answer. Actually it is the right answer for you.

People re imagine the wheel all the time. Put rubber on it and use it for all sorts of things like the pulley and gears. [/quote]

I watched a play in Boston about the creator of "Astro Boy" (also, pretty much the creator of the entire anime field). In the story line, they mention that to keep costs down, they would "rotoscope" existing footage so Astro was pretty much fighting each monster in the same style each time.

Me, myself, personally, I prefer character development. But I haven't watched any of the new superhero shows as I'm usually working and don't feel like pulling them off the websites.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 10, 2015 04:17PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea if you want great writing and character development that is the place to find it for sure. Oh wait I meant the other thing. [/quote]

Indeed, the writing was great. There was slap stick comedy written into the Adam West Batman series that was akin to the slap stick comedy of the classic vaudeville acts of a by gone age. The show was classic vaudeville family time for a modern TV audience (of it's day).

But I would not expect you to know anything about the history of vaudeville and slap stick comedy.

And I am not looking forward to Daredevil. It will probably be low grade. [/quote]

Actually, I always felt that "Gilligan's Island" was the perfect example of vaudeville style humor. But it was meant to be a comedy. I don't want comedy/super heroes. (An aside, we almost got Bill Murry as a comedic Batman before they decided on Michael Keaton.)
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 06:06PM)
"Gilligan's Island" had a laugh track and although it was comedy it was not slap stick vaudeville comedy the way the Batman series was.

As far as TV series goes I liked the short series Sable a lot. To bad it did not find an audience on TV and was a short series.

Another series that was short lived of the 60's was THE Cat. Very good.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2015 06:07PM)
Yes Glenn you are the only one who knows anything about vaudeville.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 08:30PM)
"Gilligan's Island was a situation comedy and the situation was the castaways being stranded on an Island and they want to get rescued. And they come up with a plan and Gilligan goofs it up.

Batman was very different in their approach to writing. After it's first run away success season there were a lot of copy cat shows the next season with an attempt at comedy super hero shows. Captain Nice and Mr. Terrific come to mind. Neither of these went past one season of bad ratings.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 08:32PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yes Glenn you are the only one who knows anything about vaudeville. [/quote]

And I still don't expect you to know anything about classic slap stick comedy that was performed in vaudeville. Or how it relates to the TV show Batman. Or history of two Lois Lane's on the George Reeves Superman TV show as well.

Adam West commented on one of my DVDs of Batman that he loved it because it was the Theater of the absurd.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2015 08:42PM)
Yes you are the all knowing. You proved it earlier in this very thread.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 10, 2015 10:47PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yes you are the all knowing. You proved it earlier in this very thread. [/quote]
Please stop trying to de-rail this thread again with your personal issues toward me.

Still not looking forward to daredevil. First of all daredevil has a mask not a blindfold.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 10, 2015 10:50PM)
According to that theory the Batman you so love is bad because the comic is dark and not campy. Batman was not a slapstick vaudeville character or written as a comedy.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 11, 2015 12:13AM)
What? Just where do you come up with these things? And please don't de-rail this thread with your privet problems toward me. Perhaps Daredevil will be doing the blindfolded drive and that is why he has a blindfold instead of a mask.

I hope it is not as bad as the Daredevil movie was. But it doesn't look like it will be.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 11, 2015 04:21AM)
I haven't been following Daredevil, but I do recall in the comic, BEFORE he dons the iconic red suit, there's a incident where he needs to free som kidnapped girls and wraps a scarf (given to him by Electra) around his eyes. So there IS a prescident (sp) for him wearing a blindfold before getting his costume. (I'm imagining they're going to totally ignore the red and yellow monstrosity he wore in his first issue.)
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 11, 2015 10:15AM)
I remember that first Daredevil issue. The costume then was primarily yellow, wasn't it?
Lots of tapping around the house with my eyes closed in those days.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 13, 2015 04:51PM)
As I had said before, I'm worried that AntMan may be Marvel's first misstep. I hope I'm wrong.

After watching the latest trailer, I'm a bit more hopeful.

[youtube]0sT73jX4Guc[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 13, 2015 05:13PM)
I am fairly certain that you mean their first recent misstep.

To me the whole Antman/Yellowjacket/Giant Man/ Hank Pymm thing is tough. Pacifist or Avenger?They go back an forth on him way too much. Depending on who he is in the movie may well hinge how well it is done.

With recent success expectations will be high.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 13, 2015 05:59PM)
I was going to say, "Not at all Danny". But, in reflection, I guess the two Hulk movies were probably miss-steps by Marvel Studios. They've had such a string of solid successes that I forgot about those two for a sec.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 13, 2015 06:07PM)
Oops, actually, the first Hulk wasn't made by Marvel Studios. It was the Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton that was made by Marvel Studios and I think generally considered a much better movie than the first. Not near as solid a hit as just about everything else but not exactly a big misstep either.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 14, 2015 12:25AM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
...
Still not looking forward to daredevil. First of all daredevil has a mask not a blindfold. [/quote]

Just watched the 1st 3 episodes of Daredevil. I would agree with most the reviews that have been out there so far in that it's easily the best superhero show on TV. (It's the first one that I'll continue to watch and happily recomend, unlike all the rest.) Also, it's an origin story which is why I think he starts out wearing a blindfold and not the full costume. He hasn't switched to the costume yet but based on the Netflix picture of the series, he will be putting on the actual Daredevil costume at some point.

The acting is all top notch. No over-acting, nothing way over the top, very gritty. It also ties in nicely to the overall Marvel Universe with a few small references to things that have happened in the movies, like the destruction of large parts of NY from the first Avengers movie.

[youtube]pgwjB2uzFHw[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 14, 2015 09:01AM)
I am anxious to see it. As I said Stick is one of my favorite characters.

Most origin stories start with an interim costume and build to what we traditionally think of.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 14, 2015 10:12AM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am fairly certain that you mean their first recent misstep.

To me the whole Antman/Yellowjacket/Giant Man/ Hank Pymm thing is tough. Pacifist or Avenger?They go back an forth on him way too much. Depending on who he is in the movie may well hinge how well it is done.

With recent success expectations will be high. [/quote]

I don't think THIS Ant-Man is Hank Pym (worst moment in my mind was when they put him in a trench coat and a floppy hat and had him going by his regular name "Dr. Pym." I couldn't help but feel they were trying to rip off Tom Baker's Doctor Who)
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 14, 2015 05:53PM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2015, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
...
Still not looking forward to daredevil. First of all daredevil has a mask not a blindfold. [/quote]

Just watched the 1st 3 episodes of Daredevil. I would agree with most the reviews that have been out there so far in that it's easily the best superhero show on TV. (It's the first one that I'll continue to watch and happily recomend, unlike all the rest.) Also, it's an origin story which is why I think he starts out wearing a blindfold and not the full costume. He hasn't switched to the costume yet but based on the Netflix picture of the series, he will be putting on the actual Daredevil costume at some point.

The acting is all top notch. No over-acting, nothing way over the top, very gritty. It also ties in nicely to the overall Marvel Universe with a few small references to things that have happened in the movies, like the destruction of large parts of NY from the first Avengers movie.

[youtube]pgwjB2uzFHw[/youtube] [/quote]

Just binge watched Daredevil.

Awesome.

It might not be for some however, since they foolishly decided to develop the characters.

Bring on Season 2.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 18, 2015 11:32AM)
Just finished it myself. Best Superhero Show done for TV. Easily. Looking forward to AKA Jessica Jones and really hoping Netflix decides to do a 2nd season of Daredevil.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 18, 2015 03:37PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Just finished it myself. Best Superhero Show done for TV. Easily. Looking forward to AKA Jessica Jones and really hoping Netflix decides to do a 2nd season of Daredevil. [/quote]

Yep.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2015 11:43PM)
I am watching episode 3 now. Fantastic.
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Apr 19, 2015 04:55PM)
I had no interest whatsoever in watching Daredevil, but yesterday I listened to an hour and half long podcast by Kevin Smith ("Fatman on Batman") devoted solely to analyzing the awesomeness of the show.

...I'm on episode 2 now, awesome!
I have to admit, I don't know why everyone cares so much about the fight scenes. They're good, very good for tv/movie fight scenes, but they don't blow me away; it's the story and character development that's making it work (IMO).

I haven't followed this thread (there are a lot of pages), but on the level of tv and movies I don't think there is any way for DC to catch up to Marvel, especially not after this. I CANNOT wait for Jessica Jones!
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Apr 19, 2015 05:12PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
Still not looking forward to daredevil. First of all daredevil has a mask not a blindfold. [/quote]

<<SPOILERS>>
Kevin Smith (in his 1.5 hour long love-song/podcast to netflix's Daredevil) mentions that he Does end up in the suit (with mask and everything), but they take the first season to build it up organically. he says that the name, the costume and everything else are developed beautifully in the same way.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 19, 2015 07:45PM)
So what, in all of your opinions, makes a successful superhero movie?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 19, 2015 08:41PM)
[quote]On Apr 19, 2015, seadog93 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, bishthemagish wrote:
Still not looking forward to daredevil. First of all daredevil has a mask not a blindfold. [/quote]

<<SPOILERS>>
Kevin Smith (in his 1.5 hour long love-song/podcast to netflix's Daredevil) mentions that he Does end up in the suit (with mask and everything), but they take the first season to build it up organically. he says that the name, the costume and everything else are developed beautifully in the same way. [/quote]

Of course he ends up in the suit. The first part of superman he is a baby almost always. But they develop the story. LOL.

I do like the way they keep building to "The Man Without Fear".
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 19, 2015 11:22PM)
The new trailer for "Batman v Superman" is really good, IMHO... :applause:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 20, 2015 08:01AM)
I was pretty underwhelmed by it myself.

Is that Holly Hunters voice I hear in it?
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Apr 20, 2015 12:06PM)
I don't think that any batman movies have got me excited since I was a kid with the Buurto movies (which in hindsight are not even remotely true to the comics, with batman using guns, killing, etc.). I've enjoyed the more recent ones, but they don't scream "Batman" to me. I've heard such awful things about the recent superman movies that I have no interest. In general, unless Grant Morisson is writing him, I don't care to much about Superman (...smallville was cool).

Batman the animated series!!!
...'nuff said.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 20, 2015 01:00PM)
[quote]On Apr 19, 2015, landmark wrote:
So what, in all of your opinions, makes a successful superhero movie? [/quote]

Good question, and one that for me is kind of hard to answer but I'll give it a try by also talking about what I don't like.

It's got to be written for adults and be believable. Believable is a funny word to use in the context of Superhero movies but, at least within the world they create, it should be believable. People act like you would expect.

For instance, I don't like The Flash at all. It's written for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer crowd. Young adults. Besides Barry Allen, two other characters that are main characters are young attractive adults who just happen to be geniuses. You've got this kind of surfer dude guy who is supposed to be an incredible genius who can create anything. It's just not believable. (Agents of Shield does the same thing which I hate.)

Here's a good example of why it's not believable. I've watched maybe half a dozen or so episodes. More than once, The Flash essentially stopped a villain from using his powers and then basically let the guy run away. I mean, come on, he's the Flash, in half a second he could of at least run up to the guy and knocked him out. Stuff like that really ruins a Superhero show.

Also, it needs to be relatively true to the source material. This is another area where The Flash blows it. Very little about the character is true to the original source material other than his powers and his name.

I wouldn't say that Daredevil ranks up there with Justified or Breaking Bad but it's much closer than most the dreck that's on TV. Great actors, pretty good writing, a complete story instead of the villain a week that is normal for most super hero shows.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 21, 2015 03:52AM)
Ten days left.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 21, 2015 12:02PM)
About Daredevil it is the best portrayal of the Kingpin in live movies. The cartoons are always good, but this is great. Vincent D'Onofrio really suprised me.

Defenders will be interesting.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 22, 2015 01:45PM)
Http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Daredevil-Renewed-Season-2-Get-Specifics-71443.html

"It's official, Daredevil fans! Netflix just confirmed that the Marvel series will be back for a second season. Daredevil Season 2 will premiere in 2016"

Hooray!
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 22, 2015 03:34PM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2015, rockwall wrote:
Http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Daredevil-Renewed-Season-2-Get-Specifics-71443.html

"It's official, Daredevil fans! Netflix just confirmed that the Marvel series will be back for a second season. Daredevil Season 2 will premiere in 2016"

Hooray! [/quote]

Yes!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 22, 2015 08:47PM)
Told ya!

With those initials it had to be.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 22, 2015 09:02PM)
Without having read anything about Season 2, I vote for Mister Fear, The Jester, and of course Bullseye as villians I'd most like to see.

There were hints of The Gladiator becoming more than what he was in the first season, so I'm assuming we'll see him at some point as well as more of Kingpin and The Hand.

I can see them doing something with Stiltman, but hopefully as more of a joke thing, since I could never take him seriously.

Once they get all the shows running then crossovers/team-ups would be cool also.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 22, 2015 09:06PM)
I refuse to read anything or expect. Just a happy fan waiting to see.

Have not finished season one yet.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 26, 2015 03:05PM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, rockwall wrote:
As I had said before, I'm worried that AntMan may be Marvel's first misstep. I hope I'm wrong.

After watching the latest trailer, I'm a bit more hopeful.

[youtube]0sT73jX4Guc[/youtube] [/quote]
Yes, the Antman shows promise because even a tiny ant can look menacing when seen in closeup with its mandibles.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 2, 2015 07:51PM)
Although I began as a DC fan during the 1960s, I am slowly changing into a Marvel fan. It's NOT necessarily Marvel's domination at the movies but another reason. It's because the heroes at DC were/are my favorites because of specific superpowers they had,i.e., The ATOM for his size-shrinkage ability and the ELONGATED MAN for his elasticity. Since I know that the Atom will Never have his own movie but see that size-shrinkage is seen in Marvel's ANTMAN film, I've decided to get gratification by using the Antman as proxy for the Atom. As for the Elongated Man, I get gratification by using Marvel's Reed Richards (of the Fantastic Four)as proxy, who will appear again in the August movie.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 14, 2015 01:49PM)
In the past day, they've released teasers for upcoming TV shows, "Supergirl" (CBS) and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" (CW). Both are from the same people who brought us "The Flash" (CW) and "Arrow" (CW). I've read online that these 4 shows have a shared universe. "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" even has some of the same cast / characters from "The Flash" and "Arrow".

Orville_Smith talked about Atom doing his size shrinkage in the post above, and he does it in the teaser video for "DC's Legends of Tomorrow".

Including "Gotham" (Fox), that makes 5 DC superhero shows on TV next year.

They've also announced that "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." (ABC) and "Agent Carter" (ABC) are returning to TV next year.

And of course, there are Netflix shows like "Daredevil", etc.

- Donald

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_DC_Comics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_Marvel_Comics

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_of_Tomorrow

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_%28U.S._TV_series%29

[youtube]Lm46-envrHo[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 15, 2015 09:05PM)
The trailer for Supergirl looks as bad as the SNL spoof of a Black Widow TV show was made to look. Plagiarism?

[youtube]j_5KgpN38hM[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 16, 2015 08:06PM)
[quote]On May 14, 2015, Donald Dunphy wrote:
In the past day, they've released teasers for upcoming TV shows, "Supergirl" (CBS) and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" (CW). Both are from the same people who brought us "The Flash" (CW) and "Arrow" (CW). I've read online that these 4 shows have a shared universe. "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" even has some of the same cast / characters from "The Flash" and "Arrow".

Orville_Smith talked about Atom doing his size shrinkage in the post above, and he does it in the teaser video for "DC's Legends of Tomorrow".

Including "Gotham" (Fox), that makes 5 DC superhero shows on TV next year.

They've also announced that "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." (ABC) and "Agent Carter" (ABC) are returning to TV next year.

And of course, there are Netflix shows like "Daredevil", etc.

- Donald

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_DC_Comics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_Marvel_Comics

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_of_Tomorrow

[youtube]4MubNoWQiSc[/youtube]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_%28U.S._TV_series%29

[youtube]Lm46-envrHo[/youtube] [/quote]
Thanks, Donald, for those links. What surprised me the most from the link,"DC Legends of Tomorrow" was the inclusion of Rip Hunter, Time Master, because he's very obscure compared to heroes such as The Flash. So obscure that a decade ago,he was made part of a two-part story called "The Forgotten Heroes." So if Rip Hunter receives that v.i.p. treatment, then CW should also add Congorilla, another obscure hero. It was about a safari-hunter named Congo Bill who had a magic ring by which he could switch bodies with a golden-furred ape. That is, Bill's soul would transfer into the ape's body while the ape's soul would transfer into Bill's body. The ape inside Bill's body would still behave like an ape, therefore prior to the mind-swap, Bill would swallow a sleeping pill so his body (housing the ape's mind) would be kept out of mischief.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 25, 2015 01:40PM)
To add about Rip Hunter, I recently bought the black and white reprint book Showcase presents Rip Hunter. During the 1960's, I did not care for that series, having only one or two issues from that time. But I could not pass up that bargain of $20 for 500 pages. Much to my surprise, I find that Rip Hunter has not one but TWO time machines! When Rip time-travels to the Jurassic Era, two criminals hijack his 2nd time machine.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 25, 2015 06:04PM)
I've been kind of fast forwarding through the final episodes of The Flash just to see where the story line was going with Reverse Flash. I've come to the conclusion, especially after watching the episode with Mark Hamill as 'The Trickster', that the show is going for the campy feel of Adam West's Batman in a lot of ways. Now, I realize a lot of people liked that but I really don't think it's great for our current era.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 26, 2015 03:49AM)
[quote]On May 2, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
Although I began as a DC fan during the 1960s, I am slowly changing into a Marvel fan. It's NOT necessarily Marvel's domination at the movies but another reason. It's because the heroes at DC were/are my favorites because of specific superpowers they had,i.e., The ATOM for his size-shrinkage ability and the ELONGATED MAN for his elasticity. Since I know that the Atom will Never have his own movie but see that size-shrinkage is seen in Marvel's ANTMAN film, I've decided to get gratification by using the Antman as proxy for the Atom. As for the Elongated Man, I get gratification by using Marvel's Reed Richards (of the Fantastic Four)as proxy, who will appear again in the August movie. [/quote]

I don't remember Ant Man having control over his size [i]and mass,[/i] that was Atom's thing (Silver Age Atom that is, Golden Age Atom from the Justice Society was just a really tough short person.) As they're showing Ant Man having control over his mass, you are right to use him as a proxy for the Atom.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 30, 2015 08:53PM)
One of my friends told me that when the ATOM appeared as live-action on the CW-channel that he was using jet-packs in order to fly. That doesn't make any sense because when the Atom uses not only his size-control but also his mass-control, he becomes feather-light so that he travels by being carried by the wind. In effect, he doesn't really fly but GLIDES. Maybe in the CW version,he doesn't have any weight-control yet. Maybe.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 14, 2015 01:35PM)
Notable on CW's Flash is the appearance of Gorilla GRODD that I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned it. In the comics, Grodd is one of the most formidable foes of the Flash so it's about time that he made an appearance. Some directorial changes were made, but I found them acceptable. After all,budgetary-limitations would have made it unfeasible to show an entire Gorilla City. So instead Grodd was presented as the result of a laboratory experiment. What made Grodd appear so impressively menacing was that his slambang fight with the Flash takes place in the murky darkness of a subway tunnel.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 14, 2015 02:34PM)
Yea never been a Grodd fan.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 20, 2015 08:14PM)
When Grodd first debuted during the 1960s, he was the very first of The Flash's foes to get a 3-part story,that is, three consecutive issues. Many DC fans have insisted that since any issue-cover that showed a gorilla sells many issues that motivated DC to have so many gorilla characters, not only in the superhero comics but also in the anthology comics.

In the superhero comics, there was Grodd and also Mr. Mallah, the villainous ape who fought against the Doom Patrol, and Congorilla (which I explained in detail in a previous post), and Detective Chimp. Detective Chimp is one character of whom I have never read any story but want to. All I know is that he was a chimpanzee with human intelligence and wore a Sherlock Holmes hat, so his name is self-explanatory. If anyone knows of any Reprints of Detective Chimp, they can hopefully share the information here.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 23, 2015 09:29PM)
We've got a new Spiderman actor:

[img]http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tom+Holland+sgu3IKYLLMXm.jpg[/img]

Tom Holland. He played the oldest son in 'The Impossible', the movie about the Thailand tsunami.
I think he's a good choice. He'll be able to play a younger spiderman than the previous actors have been which will be more in line with how Spiderman started out.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 23, 2015 09:40PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
One of my friends told me that when the ATOM appeared as live-action on the CW-channel that he was using jet-packs in order to fly. That doesn't make any sense because when the Atom uses not only his size-control but also his mass-control, he becomes feather-light so that he travels by being carried by the wind. In effect, he doesn't really fly but GLIDES. Maybe in the CW version,he doesn't have any weight-control yet. Maybe. [/quote]

Maybe they feel that he has to have some way to [i]direct[/i] himself when using his lower mass. Gliding on air waves, while working in a still medium like comics, wouldn't sell on television.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 6, 2015 08:21PM)
Marvel's ANTMAN gets star on Hollywood Walk Of Fame:
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Ant-Man-Paul-Rudd-gets-star-on-Hollywood-Walk-6361875.php
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 20, 2015 07:48PM)
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the Antman movie yet. Saw it on Saturday, and that was surprisingly the first time I saw an audience actually clap their hands at the finale. The audience actually applauded. And deservedly so. I had attended to expect a campy film, what with Paul Rudd a comedian as the actor, but was pleasantly surprised at a straightforward adventure, although with some humor. When you think about it, the idea of someone who can communicate with ants is sheer absurdity, so it's a wonder that idea was so realistically shown as a superpower. When the audience laughed, it was all in the right places. Especially when Michael Douglas as Scott Lang's mentor, Henry Pym, communicates with ants on the dinner table to bring sugar-cubes to Scott. To see those two ants pushing two sugar-cubes to Scott evoked laughter from the audience. The difference was that the laughter was NOT due to humor but instead laughter caused by sense of wonder, the feeling of wonderment. Because the laughter was mixed with oohs and ahhs.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 20, 2015 08:48PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
When Grodd first debuted during the 1960s, he was the very first of The Flash's foes to get a 3-part story,that is, three consecutive issues. Many DC fans have insisted that since any issue-cover that showed a gorilla sells many issues that motivated DC to have so many gorilla characters, not only in the superhero comics but also in the anthology comics.

In the superhero comics, there was Grodd and also Mr. Mallah, the villainous ape who fought against the Doom Patrol, and Congorilla (which I explained in detail in a previous post), and Detective Chimp. Detective Chimp is one character of whom I have never read any story but want to. All I know is that he was a chimpanzee with human intelligence and wore a Sherlock Holmes hat, so his name is self-explanatory. If anyone knows of any Reprints of Detective Chimp, they can hopefully share the information here. [/quote]

I've never heard of "Detective Chimp," I DO remember "Angel and the Ape" who were a pair of private investigators, one of whom was an ape who augmented his income drawing comics freelance.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Jul 21, 2015 08:30AM)
Marvel has nothing on DC.

Marvel superheroes are the Disney kind, if you like that kinda thing.

DC treats its audiences like adults.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Jul 21, 2015 09:51AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2015, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Marvel has nothing on DC.

Marvel superheroes are the Disney kind, if you like that kinda thing.

DC treats its audiences like adults. [/quote]
I sort of feel the opposite- DC treats its audiences like edgy, gritty teens. Especially with their "Darker! No comedy!" stance, trying to emulate the success of Batman Begins. This gave us the darkest and most depressing Superman movie I've ever seen.

Marvel, meanwhile, knows its material is sometimes campy, and they're not afraid to poke fun at themselves- which movies desperately need to keep the dynamics going. The first Captain America movie was more hopeful than Man of Steel- and Superman is [i]supposed[/i] to be about hope.

Who am I kidding, though? I'll probably end up watching most of them anyway, whether they're DC or Marvel. Except maybe "Fantastic Four: Muppet Babies". I don't mind changing casts, but do we really need to retell the origin story every single time? (So I'm glad the next Spiderman movie isn't bothering with that.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 21, 2015 10:57AM)
Yea DC has this idea that edgy and modern is the Breaking Dawn crowd. In the end they are superhero fantasy movies. Keep that in mind when you yern to be treated like an adult.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 21, 2015 01:03PM)
I enjoyed Ant-Man, and stayed to the very end of the credits for the bonus scenes (one part way through the credits, and one at the very end of the credits).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 22, 2015 09:54PM)
I was going to suggest that the sequel to Ant-Man should be Uncle-Man, but then I saw the movie is already coming out for The Man From Uncle.

(Yeah.... I went there.)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 24, 2015 07:06PM)
[quote]On Jul 22, 2015, Cliffg37 wrote:
I was going to suggest that the sequel to Ant-Man should be Uncle-Man, but then I saw the movie is already coming out for The Man From Uncle.

[/quote]

lol. Long time no see, Cliff. Remember, you were the very first one that replied to my thread those many months ago. Good to see you again.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 25, 2015 07:48AM)
Watched Ant Man and really enjoyed it. Not anywhere near as great as Guardians of the Galaxy was but enjoyable and better than I had been worried about. Doesn't look like it will be a blockbuster but should make money.

I really liked how they tied into the MCU with it and how they were able to make the idea of the 'Ant Man' seem plausible and worthy of super hero status.

Was amazed at how good a job they did of creating a 'young' Michael Douglas. Completely believable with no hint of CGI that I could see. (100 times better than the 'young' Jeff Bridges in TRON)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 25, 2015 08:24PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2015, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I enjoyed Ant-Man, and stayed to the very end of the credits for the bonus scenes (one part way through the credits, and one at the very end of the credits).

- Donald [/quote]
Besides the bonus-scene of the Wasp-costume, the 2nd bonus-scene with the Falcon telling Cap that they have somebody else they could use, apparently hints that the Antman will be included in the next Captain America film.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Jul 27, 2015 12:09PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
[quote]On Jul 21, 2015, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I enjoyed Ant-Man, and stayed to the very end of the credits for the bonus scenes (one part way through the credits, and one at the very end of the credits).

- Donald [/quote]
Besides the bonus-scene of the Wasp-costume, the 2nd bonus-scene with the Falcon telling Cap that they have somebody else they could use, apparently hints that the Antman will be included in the next Captain America film. [/quote]
Rumor has it that Paul Rudd has stated that filming's already been completed on his scenes. (Additional rumor is that one of them involves him riding on one of Hawkeye's arrows.)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 27, 2015 06:10PM)
One of the coolest things in Ant Man is near the beginning of the movie when a young Hank Pym, (played by Michael Douglas), is arguing with Tony Starks dad, some 25 years ago. The de-aging of Michael Douglas for the scene was absolutely amazing. If you didn't know better, you would swear you were watching a movie with Michael Douglas in from 25 years ago. Kind of scary. As they continue to improve that technology, I believe that you will have older actors playing their younger selves in an entire movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 27, 2015 06:43PM)
I actually liked the movie. Nice nods to the "story line" while having a good way to fit in.

I liked the fact that they are not trying to write it like Shakespeare. After all at the core it is a super hero fantasy story. While Beowulf I guess was one too so do I even have a point?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 27, 2015 07:47PM)
Checking the box office results, I find that Antman came in at Number One for the 2ND week in a row. It's done better than expected.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 1, 2015 07:28PM)
James Gunn, the director of Guardians of the Galaxy, (the best Marvel movie so far released in my opinion), posts a touching letter to his fans on the one year anniversary of the release of the movie.

"One year ago today, Guardians of the Galaxy opened up in the U.S. and many places around the world. The movie massively over-performed that weekend, even by our own expectations, but what meant more to me is how much so many of you, no matter where you were from, took the story and the characters into your hearts. What meant more to me is that "We are Groot" became a rallying cry for unity among friends and families. What meant more to me is that you laughed at the dumb stuff I thought you'd miss, like "Cap'n's gotta teach stuff" and "I was thinking of something else." What meant more to me is that in our tenth week we were out-performing any comic book film in recent history - not because of the money, but because people were going back to see the film a second, third, fourth, fifth time, or more, because they loved it. What mattered to me is that after a lifetime of telling stories and half a lifetime making movies, I felt like you and I, filmmaker and audience, were at the same place at the same time.
It mattered to me mostly because I told a story fully with my heart, and you took it into yours. I don't think I can ever explain how much that means to me. It makes every failure I've ever had well worth it.
I get a lot of messages from people saying, "You made me believe in movies again." Well, you guys made me believe that what I spent my life doing was worth doing. And you strengthened my belief that nothing's worth doing, if it's not done honestly, and it's not done with love.
On this, the one year anniversary of the cinematic Guardians entering our solar system: thank you, thank you, thank you.
We really are, truly, honestly Groot.
Love,
James"
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 5, 2015 09:03AM)
If you like Superhero movies, 2016 is going to be a big year.


It will include Captain America: Civil War, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, X-Men: Apocalypse, Doctor Strange, Suicide Squad, Gambit and Deadpool. Deadpool just released two trailers, one Red Band and one Blue Band. (Red Band being an 'R' type trailer while Blue Band being a kinder, gentler trailer.) Deadpool is definitely going to be a 'different' type superhero movie.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Deadpool-Trailer-Violent-Hysterical-Watch-It-Now-72565.html
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 5, 2015 08:47PM)
Looking forward to Doctor Strange and Suicide Squad. And of course, Deadpool. It looks like - at least so far - that Hollywood didn't !@#$ this up too bad. He actually looks and acts true to the comic.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 5, 2015 09:01PM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2015, rockwall wrote:
James Gunn, the director of Guardians of the Galaxy,...(the best Marvel movie so far released in my opinion)...[/quote]

I think I agree. And I don't say that lightly...this film has now entered my list of movies that I can see why flipping through channels...no matter where it is in the story...and just stop and be satisfied with watching it yet again. It's the same criterion I've used for selecting a lot of my favorite films...The Godfather (I and II), Bladerunner, Alien, Field of Dreams...you get the idea. Stories that are told well with characters that a viewer can relate to in some shape or form. I realize it's all subjective, but Guardians hits home for me. It's a movie that works as a piece of entertainment while being true to its roots. And its roots meant a lot to me years ago. So I like that.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 7, 2015 10:49AM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2015, rockwall wrote:
If you like Superhero movies, 2016 is going to be a big year.


It will include Captain America: Civil War, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, X-Men: Apocalypse, Doctor Strange, Suicide Squad, Gambit and Deadpool. Deadpool just released two trailers, one Red Band and one Blue Band. (Red Band being an 'R' type trailer while Blue Band being a kinder, gentler trailer.) Deadpool is definitely going to be a 'different' type superhero movie.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Deadpool-Trailer-Violent-Hysterical-Watch-It-Now-72565.html [/quote]
Well, Deadpool's a 'different' type superhero.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 7, 2015 10:57AM)
Deadpool is an interesting character from am interesting time in Marvel.

I am not worried about origin or what not bit I hope they give him his attitude. I really liked that.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 7, 2015 12:16PM)
If you watch the video, they are definitely giving him his attitude.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 7, 2015 12:19PM)
Yes I never watch those things because I just wait to see the movie.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 7, 2015 12:57PM)
[quote]On Aug 7, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yes I never watch those things because I just wait to see the movie. [/quote]
That may be the best policy- apparently half the scenes in the trailer for Fantastic Four never actually made it into the movie itself.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 7, 2015 01:01PM)
That happens a lot more than you might imagine.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 8, 2015 10:12AM)
Fantastic Four was the first Marvel comic I read as a kid back in the 60's and was the comic series that converted me to Marvel comics so despite the horrible reviews and expecting the worst, I decided to go see Fantastic Four myself last night. With such low expectations, I generally find the movie wasn't as bad as advertised. Well, in this case the low expectations didn't help. What a heaping pile of horse doo doo that thing was. Despite Fox having already announced a sequel, I'll be amazed if they go through with it after the load of money they're going to loose on this stinker. Just horrible, horrible, horrible.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 13, 2015 11:33PM)
I went today. Had a private screening. (Advantages of being able to go during the day!)

I have to say I didn't mind the movie in many ways. I had no expectations as I said I never watch trailers or read about it or anything like that.

I am not sure how many times I have to get new origin stories. That is getting odd. I understand why they do it but really wish at some point they would just say to themselves "here is the FF and here is the story". Same with any hero.

I have seen much worse movies, but I will say in comparison the entire cast from the first two did a much better job bringing the characters to life than this bunch.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 18, 2015 11:17AM)
What is it with the FF that they can't get a decent film? The 90's one is understandable, it was made on a serious shoestring (One million dollars, I believe) and was only filmed so the studio wouldn't lose the option. (The cast was not told this, by the way, they had no idea they were shooting a film that was never ment to be released.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 18, 2015 12:37PM)
Sort of the Marvel version of a "Superman curse" as I call it.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 18, 2015 01:42PM)
So, the next movie in the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) is "Captain America: Civil War".

I was reading up on the movie on wikipedia, and I thought it was interesting that the character of Nick Fury doesn't appear to be listed.

He was in the other two "Captain America" movies (so I assumed he'd be in the third one), and I also recall that Samuel L. Jackson signed a contract to be in 9 of the MCU movies as Nick Fury, starting with "Iron Man" (or was the contract offered after his cameo in "Iron Man"?) And of course, he made a cameo in the TV show, "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." I wonder when he'll be back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America:_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Jackson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

- Donald

P.S. There were rumors of a "Nick Fury" movie at one time, but it's not listed among the 10 movies in Phase 3 of MCU.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 12, 2015 07:37PM)
[quote]On Aug 18, 2015, Donald Dunphy wrote:
So, the next movie in the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) is "Captain America: Civil War".

I was reading up on the movie on wikipedia, and I thought it was interesting that the character of Nick Fury doesn't appear to be listed.

He was in the other two "Captain America" movies (so I assumed he'd be in the third one), and I also recall that Samuel L. Jackson signed a contract to be in 9 of the MCU movies as Nick Fury, starting with "Iron Man" (or was the contract offered after his cameo in "Iron Man"?) And of course, he made a cameo in the TV show, "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." I wonder when he'll be back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America:_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Jackson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

- Donald

P.S. There were rumors of a "Nick Fury" movie at one time, but it's not listed among the 10 movies in Phase 3 of MCU. [/quote]

Curiously, Nobody mentions the version of Nick Fury starring David Hasselhoff, which I thought was quite good. With the eyepatch, he really had a striking resemblance to the depiction in the comics.
On the other hand, the 1970s film of DR. STRANGE was disappointing. Last I heard, the new cinematic version is due out in November of next year. The actor bears some resemblance to Dr. Strange, and I have high hopes for it as the state-of-the-art cgi should make possible the graphic potential of Extradimensional realms.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 13, 2015 01:20AM)
Remember those old Captain America movies from that time?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 13, 2015 07:15PM)
Remember them? I HAVE them! A double DVD set showed up at Wal-Mart and were in the $3.50 bin! I bought it along with "Dark Shadows" which I watched and then donated to the public library because my wife, massive "Dark Shadows" fan that she is, couldn't STAND the movie just from watching the trailer. I remember seeing the first one when it aired and was appalled by what they did with the source material.

I didn't see the second one, I will watch them at some point. I notice the second one is the one they use for pictures on the DVD box because it's the only one that used the correct costume. (Although they still had the shield all wrong.)
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 14, 2015 01:02PM)
Ed, the movies you are speaking of starred Reb Brown from the late 70's. They should have correctly been called "Son of Captian America," because that is who Reb played, Steve Rogers son. The "wrong" uniform in the first one was that Jr. was hesitant to take up dad's mantle, but eventually he does and in the second one, we see who we expect to see.

Reb did a reasonable job of acting, but that could not help that fact that the script sucked, and the whole business was a blatant rip off and an effort to capitalize on the success of "The Six Million Dollar Man," which was running strong at that time.

The one plus was Connie Selecca as the Doctor and Confidant. She was not a damsel in distress. Christopher Lee was the bad guy in the second one, and probably felt it to be the low point of his career.

I liked the music though. Wonder what Stan Lee thought of it?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 14, 2015 01:08PM)
BTW, I laughed out loud every time Cap took off on his bike. He launched out his his van by firing a rocket. HA ha ha, fire a rocket inside a van.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 26, 2015 09:35PM)
So, following the huge success of Daredevil, Netflix will be releasing their 2nd Marvel Superhero show on November 20th, AKA Jessica Jones.

They released a very short teaser trailer that is kinda fun.

(Danny, it's a trailer even you might like as it doesn't really give anything away.)

[youtube]q8-FJmOrbnI[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 5, 2015 06:55PM)
Coming up this week on CW's Flash is the appearance of Jay Garrick,the Golden-Age Flash from the 1940s.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 5, 2015 08:53PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2015, Cliffg37 wrote:
Ed, the movies you are speaking of starred Reb Brown from the late 70's. They should have correctly been called "Son of Captian America," because that is who Reb played, Steve Rogers son. The "wrong" uniform in the first one was that Jr. was hesitant to take up dad's mantle, but eventually he does and in the second one, we see who we expect to see.
[/quote]

There is nothing to indicate that Steve Jr. passed up on the "real" costume because he didn't think he could live up to it. It is far more likely that the producers thought; "We don't want that old costume that's been used since the '40s, we can design something much better." Then the fan response hit and they thought; "Oops!" and fixed the error.

[quote]
Reb did a reasonable job of acting, but that could not help that fact that the script sucked, and the whole business was a blatant rip off and an effort to capitalize on the success of "The Six Million Dollar Man," which was running strong at that time.
[/quote]

Yes. Reb DID do a fine job, everything considered, and yes, it is clear that this is just slapping "Captain America" on a weak "Six Million Dollar Man" style script and assuming no one would notice.

[quote]
The one plus was Connie Selecca as the Doctor and Confidant. She was not a damsel in distress. Christopher Lee was the bad guy in the second one, and probably felt it to be the low point of his career.
[/quote]

You've never seen "1942," have you? Here's a funny story. When they wrote the script for "Ghostbusters," they planned for "Gozer" to come out as an old man in a tweed suit. It was supposed to be that "Gozer" had taken up the form of "Evo Schendoor," the architect and Gozer worshiper who designed the building in the first place. When they couldn't get the actor they wanted, they re-wrote it for a woman. Christopher Lee says his agent talked him OUT of taking the "Ghostbuster" job, promising him a plum role in a Stephen Speilburg film, which turned out to be the turkey and flob "1984." Imagine that last sequence from "Ghostbuster" with Christopher Lee's voice; "Are YOU a GOD?"

[quote]I liked the music though. Wonder what Stan Lee thought of it? [/quote]

He probably thought it was terrible. He probably thought it was better than the 1990's "Captain America" movie where Cap gets frozen on his first mission and the Red Skull is Italian!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 6, 2015 07:24PM)
When Ed mentioned what Stan Lee might have thought of the 70s Captain America, it made me think what Stan would have thought of the latest Fantastic Four film. After all, Stan makes cameo-appearances in most of the Marvel movies but he did Not appear in the latest FF movie. Wonder if it's because he feels as disgruntled as we do.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 10, 2015 07:15PM)
In getting Jay Garrick on the CW series, I remember when fans used to say how Garrick protected his secret-identity without a mask. But it was later explained that to do so, he vibrates at such a frequency that his facial-features get blurred.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 10, 2015 08:39PM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
When Ed mentioned what Stan Lee might have thought of the 70s Captain America, it made me think what Stan would have thought of the latest Fantastic Four film. After all, Stan makes cameo-appearances in most of the Marvel movies but he did Not appear in the latest FF movie. Wonder if it's because he feels as disgruntled as we do. [/quote]

Did he make cameos in "outside" Marvel movies AFTER the MCU began?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 10, 2015 08:46PM)
A very short cameo in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 11, 2015 01:48PM)
Loved his cameo in the Ben Aflack Daredevil film. I thought he was really acting there, at least facially.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 13, 2015 08:49PM)
I was trying to figure out which "outside" Marvel movies have been released SINCE the MCU began and was able to dig up this list: From what I can tell, he only had cameos in the two Spider-Man movies with Andrew Garfield.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Wolverince
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Fantastic Four

He's also had cameos in Big Hero 6 and several Marvel TV Shows, Agent Carter, Daredevil and Agents of Shield.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 17, 2015 05:57PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2015, Cliffg37 wrote:
Loved his cameo in the Ben Aflack Daredevil film. I thought he was really acting there, at least facially. [/quote]

In addition to what you said about actual acting, it was also in the 2nd of the Fantastic Four movies when Reed and Sue got married, and at the wedding, Stan Lee is trying to attend but is blocked by security guards, so he insists indignantly,"No, I AM Stan Lee! I REALLY am Stan Lee!" His emotional indignation was quite well done.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 18, 2015 06:56PM)
OK, I just watched "The Flash of Two Worlds" episode. I LOVED the ending where both Flashes run around a wall to help the fallen officer. It was a direct reference to Golden Age Flash's first appearance in the Silver Age world;

http://comixsecrethq.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 18, 2015 07:05PM)
Netflix has been releasing a bunch of teasers of their next Marvel superhero series, Jessica Jones.

Here's a clip that has all the teasers in order and is pretty fun to watch and gives very little away.

[youtube]mc450TtnJ1E[/youtube]

Jessica Jones is played by Krysten Ritter who also played Jesse's druggie girlfriend in Breaking Bad who ended up suffocating in her own vomit while Walter stood by and did nothing. It sounds like Jessica Jones is probably going to be the darkest and grittiest Marvel super hero project to date.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 18, 2015 07:19PM)
Daredevil had some grit to it. I look forward to this. Should be interesting. I don't mind the grit. I liked daredevil.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 23, 2015 08:30PM)
Full trailer finally. Looks so awesome.

[youtube]nWHUjuJ8zxE[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 24, 2015 07:24PM)
[quote]On Oct 18, 2015, ed rhodes wrote:
OK, I just watched "The Flash of Two Worlds" episode. I LOVED the ending where both Flashes run around a wall to help the fallen officer. It was a direct reference to Golden Age Flash's first appearance in the Silver Age world;

http://comixsecrethq.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html [/quote]

Nice observation,Ed. Along those lines, I remember some time ago when DC was even selling a Diorama-merchandise depicting that Silver-Age scene.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 26, 2015 08:07PM)
Ant Man has done OK.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ant-Man-Has-Quietly-Made-Really-Solid-Amount-Money-90507.html

"Marvel is clearly pleased with how the movie performed, as they announced several weeks ago that a sequel is on the way for 2018. Titled Ant-Man and the Wasp, it will feature Paul Rudd’s Scott Lang teaming up in the field with Evangeline Lilly’s Hope van Dyne, who has finally inherited her mother’s legacy and become The Wasp."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 26, 2015 10:00PM)
I actually enjoyed Ant Man.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 26, 2015 10:25PM)
So, no observations here on "Supergirl?" I had to work, but the family recorded it so I'll be watching it tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 26, 2015 10:59PM)
I recorded it but am reluctant to watch.

I have never been a big fan of duplicate superheroes like that. Not on TV but comics in general. Aqua Lad and Red Arrow bother me just as much. Even Robin became Nightwing and is a legitimate superhero in his own right.

I am not saying it should bother anyone else, just how I have always thought of it.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 27, 2015 10:04AM)
I wonder if they'll bring in Power Girl. (Unless they've ret-conned it beyond recognition, "Power Girl" is an alternate universe Supergirl who decided NOT to name herself after her cousin. There was a period where the two would react violently if they got within five feet of each other. When the mood passed, say when one punched the other far enough away, they would come out of it and have no idea what happened.)
Message: Posted by: Salguod Nairb (Oct 27, 2015 10:18AM)
Sounds more like PMS Girl.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 27, 2015 12:27PM)
Re Supergirl....

(Warning: Minor Spoiler)


I did not enjoy watching a physically powerful brute of a man beating up on a girl. Melissa is 27 years old, she is playing 24, and she looks like a late teen. This is probably done on purpose. Watching a man beating a girl is not fun for me and probably not for most men. Even though we know the girl will eventually win, that was hard to watch.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 27, 2015 03:33PM)
Here is proof that we are a Marvel family through and through.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/CyVCGAX.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 27, 2015 08:06PM)
Well, I enjoyed the show. I hope it works. I didn't care for the S.H.I.E.L.D. clone or its leader. The sister got on my nerves, but I guess I can understand when flying/super strength comes into your world.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 4, 2015 07:37PM)
Quite a surprise to see DC's Red Tornado on the TV-series, because I've always considered Red Tornado as one of their much lesser-known heroes. Back in the day, Red Tornado and Marvel's android the Vision were seen as copycats of each other. Maybe that's why there later came an "after-the-fact" story that added that Red Tornado's life essence is actually that of an Extraterrestrial who had taken over the robotic body. Did NOT like the revamped version at that time, but have slowly begun to accept it. But for the TV series they seem to be using the regular robotic version instead of the Extraterrestrial one.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 11, 2015 12:22PM)
I have just started watching Jessica Jones. I have to so Danid Tennent will keep me watching it. I really like him.

The superhero sex in the first few episodes is stange but whatever. I am looking it.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 11, 2016 07:16PM)
Marvel's Doctor Strange movie due out on November 4th:
http://www.comingsoon.net/movie/doctor-strange-2016#/slide/1
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jan 11, 2016 07:40PM)
Strange was one of my all time favorite Marvel characters to geek over growing up. I have such high hopes for this film, but I'm keeping my expectations low...why? Because out of all of comic book's heroes Dr. Strange required the most imagination. No matter how well-drawn his magical travels were depicted, the readers' minds filled in the blanks, and those blanks can never really be filled. The best we can hope for is a singular well-produced definition of an infinitely undefined universe. That is...one person's vision of the unimaginable. And, if done correctly, that could be very cool.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 11, 2016 07:53PM)
[youtube]4LdoZnmCCp8[/youtube]



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I like these guys (and gals) takes on most movie stuff. There is a good bit of Marvel Talk in this recent two part roundtable. Cinefix is one of my "go-to's" for movie stuff.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 12, 2016 09:19PM)
Re: Dr. Strange. I still say that casting Cumberbatch as the good doctor is one of the most brilliant pieces of casting I've seen in years.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 15, 2016 05:33PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
Re: Dr. Strange. I still say that casting Cumberbatch as the good doctor is one of the most brilliant pieces of casting I've seen in years. [/quote]

Not only Cumberbatch but also Jonathan Rhys Meyers would have made a great Dr. Strange. Unfortunately,from what I heard, Meyers is at a drug rehab clinic, so now we have Cumberbatch instead, which is just as good, or even better!
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jan 15, 2016 06:29PM)
Not a big Dr Strange fan but, definitely looking forward to Cumberbatches portrayal.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 19, 2016 07:19PM)
I already know that there will be a Justice League movie, but what about the "other" Justice League called Justice League DARK? It's a group composed of magical-type characters such as Zatanna and the Demon, who take on supernatural-type menaces which the regular Justice League does not. Is it just a rumor or will there be a JL-D film?
Interesting twist on the Demon is that instead of a demon possessing a human, it's a human "possessing" a demon--although in that case, possession might be a misnomer which is why I added quotation marks.
Anyway, since John Constantine (of JL-D) had his own movie already, so why not the JL-D?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 23, 2016 05:10PM)
Surprisingly, Marvel's Deadpool made it to first place again, two weeks in a row. I did not expect that of Deadpool, and although the character does not appeal to me, it still gladdens me when any superhero makes to the top of the box office. Well, in a few short months, the next X-men film is to premiere. That one, I'll definitely attend, as I've attended every X-men film so far.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 23, 2016 05:29PM)
Much like Guardians Deadpool is surprising many.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 1, 2016 12:29PM)
Here's DC's latest list of future movies.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Upcoming-DC-Comics-Movies-List-Titles-Release-Dates-102407.html

They'll be bringing us individual movies for Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, Green Lantern Corp and very interestingly an unannounced date but planned on Sandman movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 1, 2016 01:13PM)
I wish I could get more excited about the Batman Superman offering this month. Two of my favorite all time charecters. I like the story line. It is just that they have underwhelmed me so many times with Sups I am cautious.

I liked what they did with the Christian Bale offerings, though the last one faded in my opinion.

The introduction of Diana is interesting. I think my biggest worry is obviously Ben Affleck doing for the Batman what he did for Daredevil. (Man I REALLY liked the Netflix offering of that.)

I am an Aquaman fan. When a while ago they dogs the physics on it and figured out how fast and strong and tough he must be to live on the ocean bottom he became cool to me. Since he got the hook and attitude I have really liked him. I hope that they do well with it.

Never been a Cyborg fan. Still will watch it though. I am a fan of the Flah on TV, I hope they don't bother with an origin story.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 18, 2016 08:17PM)
For those who are fans of Marvel's Dr. Strange, DC's counterpart, namely Doctor Fate is back again. Little bit different now, as Paul Levitz tries to give it a fresh treatment with Fate's helmet being used by a new person. For my personal tastes, when comparing ancient mythologies that DC Comics uses, I prefer the Egyptian mythos used by Dr. Fate rather than the Greek kind used by Wonder Woman.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Mar 18, 2016 10:13PM)
Clearly Marvel is wiping the floor with DC in the movie department. Having said that, though, The Dark Knight is still my favorite of all the superhero movies. That one has a nihilistic grit and realism that still gives me chills, thanks to Heath Ledger's inspired portrayal of the Joker.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 19, 2016 12:44AM)
The hero with the coolest initials has season 2 on Netflix. Good old DD is back! I am only on episode 1 but like it.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 21, 2016 11:30AM)
The animated feature "The killing joke" is coming... Mark Hamil is back as the voice of the Joker and Keven Conroy is back as Bruce/Batman. Assuming the quality is as good as it ought to be, this is the answer to the original post. How can DC catch up with Marvel? By producing quality films from quality scripts with strong continuity and good acting.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 21, 2016 11:59AM)
Hmmm, I don't think DC is going to catch up with Marvel with animated features. Just sayin.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 21, 2016 12:43PM)
[quote]On Mar 21, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
The animated feature "The killing joke" is coming... Mark Hamil is back as the voice of the Joker and Keven Conroy is back as Bruce/Batman. Assuming the quality is as good as it ought to be, this is the answer to the original post. How can DC catch up with Marvel? By producing quality films from quality scripts with strong continuity and good acting. [/quote]

So basically doing the exact opposite of almost everything to date?

There have been some really good pieces of DC animation. Justice League Doom was good. I also do not think that it is a way to catch up.

Captain America Civil War looks very good. Batman Superman looks not stop great.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 21, 2016 04:25PM)
Oh, I don't know. I actually think Batman V Superman is looking pretty good. Definitely a different tone than Marvel which may be a good thing. If future DC movies follow the same tone, (which I think they will), it will provide a nice contrast to Marvel and make for nice variety. It will give people a lot to argue over on which is better.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 21, 2016 05:02PM)
This just seems odd and getting past Affleck as The Batman is tough for me.

The Sups movies have been better but to me by no means anywhere near as good as the Marvel offerings.

Batman and Sups are definite all time favorites of mine, and Lex Luthor is an interesting choice. He looks like he will pull it off well.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 21, 2016 06:56PM)
I will agree to have misgivings about Bats vs. Supes. I think Affleck will pull it off. My issue is that he is playing an older Jaded Batman while Henry Cavil is playing a younger less experienced Superman. I am curious to see how that works.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 21, 2016 07:18PM)
Yea that is one of the things I find odd.

I do have to mention Rockwall called the Guardians success WELL before it came out. He said it would be a huge hit blockbster uneqivically. He may have a mutant power here we don't know about so I am going to hedge based on that with the Sups Bats movie.

That was you wasn't it Rockwall? If not I am sorry.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 21, 2016 08:29PM)
Yep, that was me. I think I got lucky. I don't really understand the success of The Flash or Arrow so maybe my Kryptonite is DC shows.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 21, 2016 08:44PM)
Hey man you called it. No luck inolved brother!

Perhaps DC is tough to see for you but that does not mean you were lucky. Hopefully this will be good.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 23, 2016 07:48PM)
You may have called it better than me Danny. Reviews coming in have not been great. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 35% That's BAD.

Here'e one of the bad review comments:

"No major blockbuster in years has been this incoherently structured, this seemingly uninterested in telling a story with clarity and purpose."

I'm still going but my expectations have been way lowered.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2016 09:05PM)
I will be there also.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 24, 2016 09:40AM)
Learned a long time ago not to base my expectations on reviews. I often disagree with professional movie reviewers, at least on the subject of whether I liked it or not. Deadpool was a prime example. I could give a long winded laundry list of what was wrong with that movie. I still liked it, and wow is it a money maker.

I think many people try to judge superhero and action movies the same way they judge dramas, and that just does not work.

I will go see the film Sunday. My only expectation will be to have a good time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 24, 2016 10:05AM)
Yes my only fear is how tough it really is to write for Sups.

I like the choice for Lex Luthor. Often he is a deep voiced sort of hard ass. I am looking forward to this portrayal. The villains often make these movies for me as I said.

I am a sucker for a Batman movie. I really am. I will probably see this a couple times in the movies even if it is bad. I also enjoy the entire movie experience. Not a big fan of watching them at home.

Heres hoping!
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Mar 25, 2016 09:10AM)
Yep- reviews in, and it's a stinker.
The DC view of their grimdark universe simply isn't compatible with a hero like Superman. In the comic world, he is, generally, a beacon of hope in the darkness, someone for humanity to aspire towards. It's the main reason why the first of the new Superman movies failed, and they double down in this one.

Marvel gets it- their characters have a sense of the absurdity of all of that and roll with it. As Hawkeye said in Avengers: Age of Ultron- "Hey! Look at me! It's your fault, it's everyone's fault, who cares? Are you up for this? Are you? [Wanda stares blankly] Look, I just need to know 'cause, uh, the city is, is flying... Okay, look, the city is flying, we're fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow; None of this makes sense. [takes out an Ultron drone] But I'm going back out there 'cause it's my job. Okay? And I can't do my job and babysit. Doesn't matter what you did, or what you were. If you go out there, you fight, and you fight to kill. Stay in here, you're good. I'll send your brother to come find you. But if you step out that door … you are an Avenger."


Source- https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Avengers:_Age_of_Ultron#Dialogue
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2016 10:33AM)
Bit of a stretch but the sentiment works.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2016 01:35PM)
I am probably going to go today. I just saw the movie runs 2 hours and 41 minutes. Hmmm.
Message: Posted by: sean_mh (Mar 25, 2016 02:49PM)
Saw it last night. It is very ponderous and oh soooooo serious. Everything in the movie is so *** serious: the dialogue, the colour scheme, the costumes, the music (duh duh, duhhhhhh! over and over and over).

Also, note to Zack Snyder et al: Superman is SUPERMAN, not (and I repeat NOT) "Space Jesus"!!

Sean
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 25, 2016 06:07PM)
What a disappointment--so I agree with Sean. And I'm even surprised at my own comment because I began as a DC fan and have been a DC fan for most of my life, but it was the Marvel movies which made me gradually become more of a Marvel fan. As abysmal as the recent Fantastic-Four film was, even that one was better than Batman Vs. Superman.

Consequently, I feel hesitant about attending the upcoming Justice League movie. The only one I'll attend is The Flash because it was the Flash which began my hobby of comics collecting in the first place.

Back in the 60s, I hardly bought the Fantastic Four comics, but the movies made me a fan, so much so that I even spent $39 for a hardback book of the FF. Normally, it would have cost close to $50, but the price was $39 as it was a promotional copy.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 25, 2016 08:58PM)
I started out as a DC fan but it was Marvel comics in the mid-sixties that converted me and I've never thought there was much of a comparison since. (Not that DC doesn't put out the occasional good story.)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 25, 2016 08:59PM)
What's sad about Batman VS Superman is that the concept is based on probably one of the best DC stories ever put out.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2016 09:33PM)
Yea that is my sadness.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 26, 2016 04:49PM)
Well I will say this. The weakest part of the movie was not Affleck as Batman.

It was not horrible and might be a good start to A Justice League movie.

Sure it is easy to pick it apart but I have seen much worse from the genre. Luthor was an interesting take. More of .com billionaire take. Alfred was brilliant. I wish Mercy was developed more.

As a superhero offering not bad.

Not great mind you. But certainly ok.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 26, 2016 06:19PM)
Who's Mercy?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 26, 2016 06:23PM)
Lex Luthors secretary/body guard.

Well personal assistant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_Graves
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Mar 26, 2016 09:43PM)
This was a good movie!
Message: Posted by: gypsyfish (Mar 27, 2016 04:37AM)
Not with Batman v Superman. I didn't hate it - in fact, I liked Ben Affleck as Batman - but I saw a seven-minute extended preview of the new Captain America movie and it had more heart, better character development, and was just more enjoyable than the two and a half hour movie. And I really wanted to love Batman v Superman.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 28, 2016 01:11AM)
Saw it with my wife. We both really liked it. It's certainly not as fun as the Marvel movies and really dark. However, as I said before, that may not be all bad. They differentiate themselves from Marvel that way. No where near as big a disaster as FF was last summer. I thought they were surprisingly faithful to parts of the source material from both Dark Knight and Doomsday. I'm excited to see what they do with Justice League. And I absolutely loved Wonder Woman.
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Mar 28, 2016 04:51AM)
Whilst the Dark Knght Returns graphic novel is the basis of this story, the thing that's forgotten is that Batman was never trying to kill Superman in that story, he was teaching him a lesson for being a government stooge. And it was a "what if" kind of story that was set in the future.

This film makes the mistake of taking that potential future reality and making it real now, with all its inherent misery. And hey, people are entitled to tell their kind of story, but is this really a decent foundation for the Justice League...it feels like most of the characters should be on the phone to the Samaritans rather than out fighting crime.

What amazes me is how they can get such iconic characters so wrong when you see what has been done with Captain America. There was a truth, justice and the American way character that in theory shouldn't have worked but has, big time. And with no need to change his fundamental character. Why they couldn't do the same with Supes is beyond me.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 28, 2016 09:14AM)
I don't think they changed Superman so much as they changed the world around him.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 28, 2016 09:22AM)
I don't think this counts as a spoiler, since the scene I am about to mention is in the trailer for all to see.

I really really liked the movie. I thought the process of building the characters emotionally up to what ended up happening made sense. I do agree that the movie was much darker than it needed to be, but Luthor and his motivations worked for me, probably for the first time since I started reading DC books in 1972.

My only complaint was that I thought Batman looked ridiculous fighting along side Superman and Wonder Woman. He basically had nothing to bring to the table for that knock-down drag-out, and he was totally outclassed at that point.

If Superman is hard to write for, then the team of Superman and Batman must be impossible. How many times can you have, "You go move that asteroid, while I fight 40 guys to push a button to deactivate the whatever it is," before it get s too predicable? I had that issue in the 70's with the Super Friends show and still have it now.

But I digress. Truth is I really loved the movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 28, 2016 11:39AM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2016, rockwall wrote:
I don't think they changed Superman so much as they changed the world around him. [/quote]

I don't know about Sups but there is an absolute HUGE change in the Bat which really rubbed me the wrong way. When you see the movie PM me because I bet you notice it too.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 28, 2016 08:15PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:

My only complaint was that I thought Batman looked ridiculous fighting along side Superman and Wonder Woman. He basically had nothing to bring to the table for that knock-down drag-out, and he was totally outclassed at that point.

[/quote]

I see your point. That reminded me of Aquaman from those 1960s Justice League issues when menaces had to be made up to accommodate Aquaman to the point that it looked so contrived. While I'm at it, I don't see why DC is wasting its time by making an Aquaman movie. Aquaman has hardly any fans in comparison. So instead, all the efforts should be directed at beefing up the Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern. After all, those three combined with Batman and Superman are the Big Five for DC. Aquaman as a movie is wasted effort just as Jonah Hex was. Remember how much of a flop that DC's Jonah Hex film was.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 29, 2016 11:04AM)
There was an animated DC short made of Jonah Hex that I thought was pretty good. It was part of a series, and they were all well done IMHO. Yes, I agree live action Hex was a waste of effort.

I am going to keep an open mind on the Aquaman movie. Maybe it could be done well enough to make an interest. That does not mean that he belongs with the JLA. I know just what you mean Orville, about the contrived menaces.

Imagine....
Batman: We have to destroy all six of these evil villain built power stations.
Flash: Look Batman, one of them is in the mid Atlantic trench.
Batman: Good thing we have Aquaman here!
Aquaman: I was going to offer to take out the one that is in orbit, but I guess Superman can do that.

OK, that was a joke, but I agree with Orville, the point is made.

Anyone remember Aqualad in the Teen Titans getting sick because he felt useless? It was an interesting idea and it led to the wise choice of having him leave the Titans and go about his business elsewhere.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 30, 2016 10:59PM)
Wondering what the Robot Chicken show writers are planning for their next Super Friends / Justice League moments.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Mar 31, 2016 07:27PM)
Wonder Woman was really good in BvS!

Affleck is the best Batman so far imo...

Cavill is the best Superman so far for me.

Lex was also good.

Doomsday could have been better.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 1, 2016 05:10AM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Sep 11, 2014, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2014, rockwall wrote:
How can DC catch up with Marvel?

They can't. [/quote]

Because DC is already better. :ohyes: [/quote]

Oh Pakar, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you of all people would see the much greater value in Marvel! :bg: [/quote]

Why not let the box office decide? [/quote]


:yippee:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 1, 2016 10:55AM)
Has it done well? I can't imagine it being a bomb.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 1, 2016 10:59AM)
Very well so far. And pre-sales for this weekend makes it look like it will continue strong.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 1, 2016 11:04AM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
Has it done well? I can't imagine it being a bomb. [/quote]

It has done fantastically! :)

Google it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 1, 2016 11:26AM)
I personally was pleasantly surprised.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 1, 2016 01:06PM)
Low expectations will do that sometimes! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 1, 2016 01:36PM)
Yea that might have helped some.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 1, 2016 05:49PM)
Also nice is how the movie sets up Wonder Woman for her upcoming film. I was at Barnes and Noble Store the other day where I ran across the Wonder Woman Encyclopedia. Humongous tome covering everything you would want to know about that character. Of especial interest to me is her Truth-Lasso. When ensnared in its coils, the captive is compelled to blurt out the truth. But what baffles me is that the Truth-Lasso has NO effect on the Bizarroes--as far as I know, the only creatures which are the exception. If anybody knows why, maybe they can clarify, because it was left unexplained.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 2, 2016 01:42PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
Also nice is how the movie sets up Wonder Woman for her upcoming film. I was at Barnes and Noble Store the other day where I ran across the Wonder Woman Encyclopedia. Humongous tome covering everything you would want to know about that character. Of especial interest to me is her Truth-Lasso. When ensnared in its coils, the captive is compelled to blurt out the truth. But what baffles me is that the Truth-Lasso has NO effect on the Bizarroes--as far as I know, the only creatures which are the exception. If anybody knows why, maybe they can clarify, because it was left unexplained. [/quote]

How bizarre? ;)

(90's song there...)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 2, 2016 07:22PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2016, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
Also nice is how the movie sets up Wonder Woman for her upcoming film. I was at Barnes and Noble Store the other day where I ran across the Wonder Woman Encyclopedia. Humongous tome covering everything you would want to know about that character. Of especial interest to me is her Truth-Lasso. When ensnared in its coils, the captive is compelled to blurt out the truth. But what baffles me is that the Truth-Lasso has NO effect on the Bizarroes--as far as I know, the only creatures which are the exception. If anybody knows why, maybe they can clarify, because it was left unexplained. [/quote]

How bizarre?

(90's song there...) [/quote]

Er, no, I never heard of that song until you mentioned it. Since I grew up during the 60s, I'm more into the Rolling Stones. But I went to Youtube and listened to that song you mentioned. Not bad at all, but I'm still into the Rolling Stones after all these years. Did you know that they're elderly and are still performing? The other week, they performed in Cuba. A certainly enduring group. They outlasted the Beatles, that's for sure.

Since this thread is about comics and you mentioned "bizarre," it reminds me of a DC comic called the Doom Patrol. I remember their logo-banner always touting them as the "World's Most Bizarre Heroes" such as Negative Man whose radio-active body made him a menace even though he was a hero at the same time. In other words, instead of being so-called superheroes, their superpowers instead made them freaks. This is what made them so innovative. Sometimes I wish they were made into a movie too, although I know that will never happen. But I can dream.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 3, 2016 12:42AM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, rockwall wrote:
Very well so far. And pre-sales for this weekend makes it look like it will continue strong. [/quote]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

Excerpts:

Dismal reviews and a mediocre B CinemaScore are catching up with Zack Snyder's tentpole even as it amasses sizeable grosses at the global box office for a total $587.8 million through Friday.

Zack Snyder's Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice is plunging 70 percent in its second weekend - the biggest drop in history for a marquee superhero title - even as it easily stays at No. 1.

The Warner Bros. title earned $15.3 million Friday from 4,256 theaters for a projected second weekend gross of $50 million, well less than anticipated.

Heading into the weekend, some analysts thought BvS would pull in north of $60 million, considering it has little competition (there are no new major studio titles opening nationwide). Early returns on Friday showed it grossing closer to $58 million, meaning a 65 percent drop, on par with Snyder's Man of Steel, but traffic was lighter than expected later in the evening.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 3, 2016 12:49AM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
Also nice is how the movie sets up Wonder Woman for her upcoming film. I was at Barnes and Noble Store the other day where I ran across the Wonder Woman Encyclopedia. Humongous tome covering everything you would want to know about that character. Of especial interest to me is her Truth-Lasso. When ensnared in its coils, the captive is compelled to blurt out the truth. But what baffles me is that the Truth-Lasso has NO effect on the Bizarroes--as far as I know, the only creatures which are the exception. If anybody knows why, maybe they can clarify, because it was left unexplained. [/quote]
What I've read is that Bizarro was "horrified by the very idea of truth. As the antithesis of reason and logic he was able to break the lasso."

[img]http://i.stack.imgur.com/quPc8.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 3, 2016 08:52AM)
[quote]On Apr 3, 2016, balducci wrote:
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, rockwall wrote:
Very well so far. And pre-sales for this weekend makes it look like it will continue strong. [/quote]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

Excerpts:

Dismal reviews and a mediocre B CinemaScore are catching up with Zack Snyder's tentpole even as it amasses sizeable grosses at the global box office for a total $587.8 million through Friday.

Zack Snyder's Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice is plunging 70 percent in its second weekend - the biggest drop in history for a marquee superhero title - even as it easily stays at No. 1.

The Warner Bros. title earned $15.3 million Friday from 4,256 theaters for a projected second weekend gross of $50 million, well less than anticipated.

Heading into the weekend, some analysts thought BvS would pull in north of $60 million, considering it has little competition (there are no new major studio titles opening nationwide). Early returns on Friday showed it grossing closer to $58 million, meaning a 65 percent drop, on par with Snyder's Man of Steel, but traffic was lighter than expected later in the evening. [/quote]
Ouch.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Apr 7, 2016 02:05PM)
This thread is pretty much the only reason I keep coming back here. :)

Orville_Smith- have you checked out "The Flash" tv show? The second season is better than the first, fixes some of the problems the first season had with Flash forgetting how he could actually use his powers.

Dannydoyle- haven't seen the movie, but I know what you're talking about re: Batman. A similar change to Superman kind of wrecked "Man of Steel" for a lot of fans.

Cliffg37- Some of the later takes on Aquaman helped by realizing that, considering the pressure he lived at, he had to be the strongest hero on the team with the exception of Superman. Then he started tearing through metal like it was paper, crumpling rifles into balls, etc. At one point I believe everyone was trapped by some sort of gravity device, unable to move, and the villian was walking through, gloating, until Aquaman clocked him- he'd been faking the whole time.

As for the movie, you know, D.C. stands for "Detective Comics". They've got "Comics" in their own name, but insist on being so very grimdark about everything it just hurts.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 7, 2016 02:34PM)
Yea there is a fantastic take on Aquaman when they finally did the physics on him. A scene where he is explaining how fast he is and how strong he has to be just to live where he does. I think the exact quote was something like "and that is at preasures that would crush you, imagine how fast I am up here!"

Then they give him a hook, long hair and new attitude. If they go that directing with him he will not be that boring superfriends orange and green suit Aquaman.

Yes the change in the charecters to facilitate easy movie writing can be bothersome. I mean when it is absolute core charecter stuff, not the color of MJ'S hair in Spiderman.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Apr 7, 2016 03:07PM)
This reminds me- there's a video series on YouTube called "ScrewAttack! Deathbattle" that deserves a watch. Though I should caution it contains language that is frequently NSFW, and quite a bit of snark that might be, at first glance, rather offputting. It pits two characters from different franchises- frequently character analogs- against each other. The first part individually looks at each character, going over their background and powers (very helpful for those unfamiliar with the characters,) then they get an animator to have the two duke it out, then, finally, they go over why the winner would be victorious, using physics and science to make their case.

Notable ones include Iron Man vs Lex Luthor (in his battle suit), but the most to-point ones for this thread are Superman vs. Son Goku (from Dragonball Z) and the Goku vs Supes rematch. Do a search on youtube, you should find them. Long, but totally worth it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 13, 2016 04:08PM)
I just went to see this again. I still liked it. Affleck does a fine job!

Rockwall I have to say you were right sir! I actually think they might be on a good path for a Justice League movie. I am hopeful.

It is considerably darker than even Deadpool.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 13, 2016 05:20PM)
Sometimes it feels like they've removed the innocent colorful joy out of the superman story. And likewise the inspiring determination to directly and thoughtfully address wrongs in Batman. Instead we get overexposed glare and a dark world of obsessed madmen.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 13, 2016 05:25PM)
I'm okay with that. :ohyes:
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 13, 2016 11:03PM)
They just had early screenings of Captain America: Civil War and critic reactions have been very good. Here are a couple without giving anything away. (It seems like they screened this earlier than they normally would which I think indicates high confidence in the movie.)

Mike Sampson of ScreenCrush wrote:

“Captain America: Civil War is so good, it’s a better Avengers movie than the last Avengers movie. I’m trying not to talk about Civil War by comparing it to BvS, but it’s hard. It succeeds because it's exactly what that film is not: FUN. The big battle scene in Civil War is an absolute blast. Spider-Man, as you'd expect, steals the show. Ant-Man, as you might not, a close 2nd. Civil War and BvS tackle some of the same themes and have similar beats, yet Cap works because we know and care about these characters.”

Germain Lussier, who writes for Gizmodo and io9, said:

“Captain America: Civil War is a complex mystery posing a big, fun superhero film. Lots of themes and emotions. Very unexpected & VERY good. I honestly don't know how Civil War works. There's so much going on but it does. Spidey is AMAZING. Made me smile & laugh till my face hurt. I'll also admit, after 1 viewing, I have some small issues with the film. I'm guessing they'll shrink after a 2nd viewing to unpack them tho. I could go on all night with this but one last thing. The airport scene in Civil War is probably the best superhero action scene ever.”
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 14, 2016 06:44AM)
It is almost unfair to compare the two because the charecters in Civil War have been developing for a long time. Just Tasha and Tony Stark have been in what at least 4 other full length movies? Cap in several and so forth. Batman vs Superman is the start almost. I know there are lead ins but nowhere near the material leading to Civil War.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 14, 2016 12:01PM)
I agree. It is 'almost' unfair. :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 14, 2016 12:03PM)
Yes almost.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 15, 2016 07:24PM)
Surprising about the forthcoming Doctor Strange movie is that the Ancient One will be portrayed by a lady-actress. Is it going to be a Gender-Bender like those aliens in Star Trek, namely the Talosians, which are made to look Male but are actually played by Females? Or, on the other hand, will the Ancient One be shown as an actual Female? Whatever the case, I look forward to attending the premiere.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 15, 2016 10:29PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
Surprising about the forthcoming Doctor Strange movie is that the Ancient One will be portrayed by a lady-actress. Is it going to be a Gender-Bender like those aliens in Star Trek, namely the Talosians, which are made to look Male but are actually played by Females? Or, on the other hand, will the Ancient One be shown as an actual Female? Whatever the case, I look forward to attending the premiere. [/quote]

You could watch the trailer if you really want to know.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=614803&forum=32
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 16, 2016 08:56PM)
Thanks for your answer,rockwall. Not only Dr. Strange but also Dr. Fate is popular again as Dr. Fate has a current mini-series. It's amazing the number of different people who have taken over Dr. Fate's identity and helmet ever since Kent Nelson died.
Lots of fans like to discuss as to who is more powerful, Dr. Strange or Dr. Fate. Seems that since Dr. Fate is made of pure energy that he would be more powerful than Steven who uses incantations. (Although I like both characters.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 16, 2016 09:28PM)
Define lots of fans. I never heard anyone discuss it LOL.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 17, 2016 01:29AM)
This is a little off topic, but is Marvel related ...

I saw a curious thing in my 'local' national newspaper today ... apparently the billionaire CEO of Marvel Entertainment is harassing a lowly multi-millionaire neighbour of his. No point in posting the link as it is behind a pay wall, but I'll cut and paste some related excerpts from other sites so you can get the gist of the story:

"Isaac Perlmutter, the billionaire chief executive of Marvel Entertainment, has been accused with his wife of sending over a thousand anonymous and libelous letters claiming that a neighbor murdered two people and raped a child. The true motive for the letters appears to be driving Harold Peerenboom out of their gated community in Palm Beach, Florida. One letter stated, 'Today I write you to warn you about Harold Peerenboom of 8 Sloans Curve Road who is a sexual predator.'"

"The dispute appears to have begun with a homeowner's association fight over a local tennis pro. Karen D. Donnelly runs the tennis complex in the Sloans Curve community where both men live. Peerenboom called her contract with the neighborhood illegal bid rigging, the deal was reworked and Perlmutter paid for Donnelly to sue Peerenboom, accusing him of libel. The anonymous letter writer sent one batch to inmates of state and federal prisons insulting them on stationary made to look like it came from Peerenboom."

"Perlmutter has long been a subject of fascination in the media business. Little is known about the reclusive 73-year-old Israeli-American businessman, who sold Marvel to Disney for $4 billion (U.S.) in 2009. The last public photograph of Perlmutter was taken in 1985. He has never given an interview to the media while running Marvel, despite the Disney unit's influence over American entertainment with its Iron Man, Captain America and XMen franchises."

Not saying Perlmutter is guilty, but the story I read today notes that Marvel's Perlmutter offered Peerenboom $100 million to drop his defamation lawsuit!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2016 10:20AM)
What is a local national newspaper?
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 17, 2016 11:50AM)
In this case, Canadian national. So I meant 'local' in international terms. :)

It is not a made up term, but local national (LN) is usually applied to people and not newspapers.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 22, 2016 05:27PM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2016, EsnRedshirt wrote:
This thread is pretty much the only reason I keep coming back here. :)

Orville_Smith- have you checked out "The Flash" tv show? The second season is better than the first, fixes some of the problems the first season had with Flash forgetting how he could actually use his powers.

[/quote]
Yes,I enjoy the Flash tv show. What I found interesting is when Flash recently guest-starred on the Supergirl show and she did NOT know anything about the Flash. Then it was seen that this Supergirl is on a totally different Earth in another universe where there is NO Flash. Evidently, the tv shows are reviving the 1960s concept of Parallel Earths. I know that the Barry Allen Flash was on Earth One and the Jay Garrick Flash was on Earth Two but I don't know the numerical-designation for the current one.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 28, 2016 06:55PM)
If they start numbering the universes... a crisis crossover event as per the comics back around 1990?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 29, 2016 02:04PM)
Re: The Flash TV show, and the idea that Supergirl hadn't heard of The Flash (and vice versa)

These articles shed some light on some other characters from DC / the Arrowverse (TV's Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, and others) exist out there, and what evidence there might be to support it.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/flash-teases-dc-tv-future-retro-continuity-with-multiple-surprise-cameos (Feb. 9/2016)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/surprising-dc-superhero-makes-cameo-flash (different article, also from Feb. 9/16)

Someone really did their homework.

Here's something interesting - From what I understand from what I've read, the Flash character from the 1990s TV show exists in one of the earths (see the article). So not only does John Wesley Shipp play Barry's father in the current series, but they also showed him from when he played "The Flash" / Barry Allen on TV back in the 1990s (see the article).

There seems to some kind of connection between the two series (on screen), because they had Mark Hamill reprise his Trixter role on the current Flash TV show. He's played that character in both series.

http://comicbook.com/2014/12/08/mark-hamill-to-play-trickster/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/03/30/mark-hamill-the-flash-tv-show/70665366/

- Donald

P.S. If I recall correctly, when The Flash was on Supergirl, he never did meet J'onn J'onzz (Martian Manhunter) or Superman. So, we still don't know if those characters also exist on The Flash's earth, or just on Supergirl's earth.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 30, 2016 12:46PM)
I'm really looking forward to seeing "Captain America: Civil War". I think there might have been some foreshadowing of something that happens in the movie, on this week's "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." (I thought that Coulson's new toy was a foreshadowing element). They have tied the TV show into the MCU movies before.

I remember when "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" came out. I watched it on opening weekend, and it's a good thing, too. On "AoS", the week before everything was all S.H.I.E.L.D., and the week after the movie, the shake up about Hydra was introduced. It flowed around the things in the movie.

I recall something similar happening with "Avengers: Age of Ultron", and the TV show mentioning elements from the movie.

They've had Nick Fury & Maria Hill on "AoS" before, and a couple of other characters seen in the movies (like Lady Sif from the Thor movies).

I think the premiere for the new Captain America movie was yesterday (April 29th) in the UK, but not until May 6th here in North America. Has anyone seen the movie yet?

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 6, 2016 04:36PM)
[quote]On Apr 29, 2016, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Re: The Flash TV show, and the idea that Supergirl hadn't heard of The Flash (and vice versa)

These articles shed some light on some other characters from DC / the Arrowverse (TV's Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, and others) exist out there, and what evidence there might be to support it.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/flash-teases-dc-tv-future-retro-continuity-with-multiple-surprise-cameos (Feb. 9/2016)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/surprising-dc-superhero-makes-cameo-flash (different article, also from Feb. 9/16)

Someone really did their homework.

Here's something interesting - From what I understand from what I've read, the Flash character from the 1990s TV show exists in one of the earths (see the article). So not only does John Wesley Shipp play Barry's father in the current series, but they also showed him from when he played "The Flash" / Barry Allen on TV back in the 1990s (see the article).

There seems to some kind of connection between the two series (on screen), because they had Mark Hamill reprise his Trixter role on the current Flash TV show. He's played that character in both series.

http://comicbook.com/2014/12/08/mark-hamill-to-play-trickster/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/03/30/mark-hamill-the-flash-tv-show/70665366/

- Donald

P.S. If I recall correctly, when The Flash was on Supergirl, he never did meet J'onn J'onzz (Martian Manhunter) or Superman. So, we still don't know if those characters also exist on The Flash's earth, or just on Supergirl's earth. [/quote]

Thanks for the links, Donald. What really surprises me about this concept is that nowadays real-life scientists claim that Parallel universes actually exist in reality. To explain it can get quite complex, what with quantum mechanics and all, but I think the best explanation comes from the book by physicist Brian Greene. But for some reason Unexplained is why it's Impossible to cross over into a parallel universe. Of course, in science-fiction, we see the heroes traverse into those worlds all the time, but apparently Impossible in reality. Maybe somebody out there can explain.
As soon as I log off, I'll be going to see Captain America Civil War. If I know Donald, he most likely saw it last night already.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 6, 2016 06:53PM)
[quote]On May 6, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:

...As soon as I log off, I'll be going to see Captain America Civil War. If I know Donald, he most likely saw it last night already...[/quote]

I just saw it this afternoon. An excellent movie!!

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 7, 2016 12:34PM)
It's not a law of physics so much as trademark and copyright which keep comic book characters in their four color universe. nit sure the many worlds interpretation, with or without branes, offers a useful distance measure between those universes. comic book continuity gets serious.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 7, 2016 02:15PM)
I won't throw out any spoilers here, but I just saw Captain America Civil War, and I loved it. Another movie that DC cannot top... and Remember I am a long time (1973) DC fan
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 7, 2016 09:05PM)
Just like Cliff, it was DC that got me into comics in the first place, specifically the Flash. And now I see that the Flash movie is in trouble because the director walked out on it. So it leaves doubts as whether there will be a Flash movie. It's getting to be too frustrating for me, so now I just focus on the Marvel franchise.

Much as I hate to abandon the Flash, I get reasonably satisfied by seeing Marvel's Quicksilver in the movies because that character has super-speed like the Flash. In other words, the use of a proxy is what relieves my frustration.

In the movies, Cyclops is a big favorite for me. And here again, I use him as a proxy. A proxy for the DC comic The Doom Patrol. The Doom Patrol were composed of characters whose superpowers made them freaks instead of heroes. That's what made them unique and bizarre. Instead of being admired, they are outcasts. The closest similarity between Doom Patrol and Cyclops is DP's Negative Man because his Unavoidable Radiation makes him a menace and through No fault of his own at all. Now you see the similarity because Cyclops' optic beam is Uncontrollable which is why he needs to wear that visor all the time. One of my favorite scenes in the 1960s issues is where Cyclops is wearing civilian clothes and therefore dark glasses instead of his visor. When a policeman becomes suspicious of him and yanks off his glasses, the optic beam shatters the cop's gun and a nearby fire-hydrant. That scene really impacted me as far as showing that he's more of a freak instead of a superhero. Where his superpower is more of a curse than a blessing. This is also my favorite example of angst as it made me feel sorry for Cyclops.

What I'm also saying is that while I realize I'll never see DC's Doom Patrol as a movie, I can at least gratify myself by enjoying Cyclops on film. (By the way, Cyke is back again in the X-men film premiering a month from now.)

Now to the Captain America Civil War movie which I of course loved. It reminded me of the time I bought an issue of Captain America during the 1960s when a particular issue's Letter-Column was even more interesting than the issue's story. The letter-column had a heated debate about Patriotism. As I vaguely recall, the story had Cap questioning his own patriotism, and so it provoked a heated debate in the letter-column about the validity of patriotism. In the current Cap Movie, we see that idea in a sense, but it's taken to a whole new level. And even on a grand scale.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 7, 2016 09:22PM)
Don't give up on a Flash movie. In my mind Quicksilver is just not the Flash. I do see the need for a proxy though! I am also a big fan of the Flash. Hopefully it gets back on track.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (May 8, 2016 09:08PM)
Saw Civil War today. The sequels are getting better than the originals.

DC needs to dump Zach Snyder if they are ever to have a hope of making a successful film again.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 8, 2016 11:00PM)
Speaking of Quicksilver, I thought it was interesting that Marvel Studios had the rights to use his character in the Avengers' Universe (MCU), and that 20th Century Fox had the rights to use him in the X-Men Universe. So, there were different variations of him in "Avengers: Age of Ultron" (2015) and in "X-Men: Day of Future Past" (2014).

The one from Avengers also had a short cameo appearance at the end of "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" (2014). And because that movie came out a month or two before "X-Men: Days of Future Past", that was technically the first studio to show Quicksilver on the big screen.

The version of his character from "Days of Future Past" is also going to make an appearance in the upcoming "X-Men: Apocalypse", due in part to the fact that he was a big hit in the "Days of Future Past" movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_%28comics%29#Film

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 9, 2016 08:59AM)
What I loved about quicksilver from the DoFP film was the scene where they showed him fighting a series of prison guards. Most speedsters are shown in real time as a blur. It is a much cheaper special effect I suppose. But, showing the fight from quicksilver's point of view made me realize what it takes to fight as he does and how careful he has to be. I thought it was way cool.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 13, 2016 05:38PM)
[quote]On May 9, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
What I loved about quicksilver from the DoFP film was the scene where they showed him fighting a series of prison guards. Most speedsters are shown in real time as a blur. It is a much cheaper special effect I suppose. But, showing the fight from quicksilver's point of view made me realize what it takes to fight as he does and how careful he has to be. I thought it was way cool. [/quote]

Regarding Quicksilver, I don't know whether we can call it plagiarism or not, but Quicksilver's perspective as seen in the movie is a "steal" from the Flash. Back in the 1960s was a Flash story in which an Alien lady, Doralla Kon, from another dimension, found herself inadvertently in our dimension. What perplexed her was that she saw all the Earth-people as immobile, stock-still. So she wondered why they were "frozen." Then she spotted the Flash and saw that he's the ONLY one that is moving. Upon the two of them meeting each other, with Flash seeing that Doralla is friendly, he explains that all those other people are actually moving, but that Doralla sees them as immobile, because of her super-speed. Flash teaches Doralla how to control her speed so that she eventually sees the other people moving "normally." So the Flash magazine was the first with that idea, and that's what I thought of immediately as soon as I saw Quicksilver in that scene you mentioned.
Was that plagiarism? Because it reminded me of that law-suit where DC Comics sued Fawcett Comics when Fawcett created Captain Marvel. It was seen by DC as plagiarism.
Maybe plagiarism is too harsh a description, but as a die-hard fan of the Flash, I see Quicksilver as an upstart. Let's face it, the Flash was/is the ORIGINAL speedster in the comics.

As far as Cliff mentioning the decision as to how super-speed is depicted on film, I have an interesting reply to that. But it comes from the 1970s TV series The Six-Million Dollar Man. When depicting cyborg,Steve Austin, running at super-speed, it was ironically shown in SLOW-MOTION. The decision to do that was interesting. You see, initially, when they tried to show the rapid speed by speeding up the film, the result was the same ridiculous effect you see from a SILENT film like the Keystone Cops. In those silent films, it's different,though, because the "speed" effect is Unavoidable due to the type of comparatively "primitive" camera that they used at that time. But in the Steve Austin series, it was AT FIRST tried deliberately, but it resulted in the same "Keystone Cops" effect. Consequently, the decision was finally made to ironically show super-speed in slow-motion.

Oh,and, Cliff, thanks for the interesting PM you sent me.
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (May 13, 2016 08:52PM)
DC sucks.

So....


Wolverine and Spiderman forever!
Imagine if they had a kid... It's Marvel, anything could happen!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 16, 2016 07:29PM)
Captain America topped the box office for the second week in a row at $72 million.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 28, 2016 09:03AM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
Surprising about the forthcoming Doctor Strange movie is that the Ancient One will be portrayed by a lady-actress. Is it going to be a Gender-Bender like those aliens in Star Trek, namely the Talosians, which are made to look Male but are actually played by Females? Or, on the other hand, will the Ancient One be shown as an actual Female? Whatever the case, I look forward to attending the premiere. [/quote]

Apparently, the Ancient One is now a "Celtic female," (KELL-tic please, the SELL-tics play basketball!)

According to Doug Walker (a.k.a. The Nostaliga Critic) the reason for this is political and financial.

[youtube]1WUdQpuVRtw[/youtube]

It's a quick reference, but apparently 18% of Marvel's total worldwide box office is China, and China, not being thrilled with Tibet right at this moment, is going to have a problem with a film that shows a Tibetian monk as the mentor/father figure of the hero.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 31, 2016 06:01PM)
The reason why I enjoyed "X-men Apocalypse" is probably different than how most of you like it. Because most of you would look at the movie as a whole, but for me what made the whole film worthwhile is the part which shows Cyclops manifesting his mutation at a regular public school for the first time. Why this appealed to me so much is because of my bias that Cyclops is my favorite X-men due to his outcast status that he can not control his power. So what really surprised me was when he first encounters Jean Grey and realizes that Jean is just as much a freak as far as the danger of her telekinesis. Actually, my criticism is that I don't agree with that scene at all because it totally ruins the basic mythology of Jean Grey the way I saw her during the 1960s. Her telekinesis was always benign and even an advantage, as opposed to Cyclops' power which is a "curse."


Granted, when Jean became the Phoenix, that all changed, but here at Xavier's school during the early days, she was always benign. Admittedly,it's because I have such a bias for the Cyclops character that I felt that the film's depiction of Jean Grey ruined or undercut the "curse" of Scott's optic beam, that "curse" having always been what attracted me to Cyclops in the first place.


If I had written the script, the improvement I would have made is to show Scott's angst about his mutation, that as much as he loves Jean, that he still has to distance himself from her because he considers his optic beam as too dangerous to carry on a relationship with a woman. I would have emphasized that aloofness (and its accompanying loneliness).
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 31, 2016 06:45PM)
This is the first time I didn't really like Jean Greay. I just don't like the actress. She almost ruins Game of Thrones for me.

Overall the series has been disappointing for me. I do not mean to say I think they are overall bad or anything of the sort. I just expect more, yet I can not say what that is. Maybe the constant fluctuations between good guy and bad guy for some of the characters drives my disappointment.

Cyclops has always seemed whiney to me.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 31, 2016 09:17PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2016, Orville_Smith wrote:
The reason why I enjoyed "X-men Apocalypse" is probably different than how most of you like it. Because most of you would look at the movie as a whole, but for me what made the whole film worthwhile is the part which shows Cyclops manifesting his mutation at a regular public school for the first time. Why this appealed to me so much is because of my bias that Cyclops is my favorite X-men due to his outcast status that he can not control his power. So what really surprised me was when he first encounters Jean Grey and realizes that Jean is just as much a freak as far as the danger of her telekinesis. Actually, my criticism is that I don't agree with that scene at all because it totally ruins the basic mythology of Jean Grey the way I saw her during the 1960s. Her telekinesis was always benign and even an advantage, as opposed to Cyclops' power which is a "curse."[/quote]

I saw "X-Men: Apocalypse" last night, and enjoyed it. I thought it tied in nicely to the previous 2 movies.

The next section might contain SPOILERS to some.

You mentioned about the scene with Scott in the high school. There's also a scene in the movie "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" (2009), where Scott Summers is a teen, and has an "incident" with his powers within a high school.

When I saw Jean Grey demonstrating a higher reach of her powers / being more powerful in the new movie, I took it as a parallel to what happened with her character in "X-Men: The Last Stand" (because both were the third film in those series). There were a couple of other parallels that I saw between those two films as well.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 31, 2016 09:46PM)
Yea with her "discovery" of her powers happening at different times it is odd. Though with timelines and such it must be tough to keep them all in line with what is happening.
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Jun 2, 2016 02:39PM)
I'm a big Marvel fan... however, I don't understand why would they take such an amazing superhero like Captain America, and turned it into a ****ing hydra agent?! (In the newest comic)

AND, he was an hydra agent all along??

Oh well...


I'm sure Captain America will get back to normal some day...

DC does not have this plot twists now, does it? :eek:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 2, 2016 03:12PM)
Yea NOBODY has ever been Batman but Bruce Wayne. No plot twists at all.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jun 14, 2016 11:52PM)
I saw "X-Men: Apocalypse" the other day and I was pretty disappointed. Something about it rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't much like the start of the movie (that took place in ancient times ... it was too 'busy' for my tastes), and the CGI graphics (the 'tunneling' bit) in the opening title sequence seemed to go on forever and nearly gave me a headache. The movie certainly wasn't all bad, but I certainly did not enjoy it as much as many of the other Marvel movies.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 17, 2016 06:01PM)
Admittedly, Balducci, Apocalypse was disappointing, especially when compared with the previous X-men film. The way I see it,it was because the current film was trying for a grand-scale type approach with Apocalypse, and that grand-scale was already done successfully with Cap's Civil War a few weeks earlier. Maybe it was too soon for such an epic approach--fans were still recovering from the Cap film and needed a breather, so to speak. Too many epics at once can cause an overkill. That's why in my case, in the Apocalypse film, my favorite part was nothing about Apocalypse at all but instead the segment with Cyclops that I mentioned earlier in my review. In other words, nothing on a grand scale but instead something "down to Earth."
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 18, 2016 07:56PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2014, landmark wrote:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oFrkrY6.jpg[/IMG]

He seemed different. I guess it's really his costume and a bit of skin tone change. He always seemed like a filler guy, but he was more interesting than Superman to me because fire seemed like something more available to your average villain, and hence made the superhero less invulnerable seeming. [/quote]

To reply to LM, it seems that the Martian J'onn J'onzz has recently become the most powerful hero at DC because he recently took on and defeated the entire Justice League. In fact, in one panel, even Superman himself admitted that he's afraid of the Martian. After all, in addition to having Superman's powers, JJ can shape-change and has ESP abilities as powerful as Marvel's Professor Xavier. Has our favorite Martian become too powerful or what?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 19, 2016 02:33PM)
My problem with J'onn was always his personality. When the JLA started he was cast in the same role as everybody else. Later he seemed to have no personality. Then he became the utilitarian leader (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one kind of thing)

J'onn could be great in the hands of the correct writer. Having him brood over his lost world and family may be accurate to such a being, but it is not interesting.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 19, 2016 06:42PM)
I haven't read through this entire thread (recently), but the conversation on J'onn Jonzz has resurfaced. He was one of the main characters on the first season of (the new TV series) "Supergirl." Just in case some didn't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(TV_series)

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 20, 2016 07:03PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2016, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I haven't read through this entire thread (recently), but the conversation on J'onn Jonzz has resurfaced. He was one of the main characters on the first season of (the new TV series) "Supergirl." Just in case some didn't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(TV_series)

- Donald [/quote]
Didn't the Martian appear on Smallville too? I also remember Doctor Fate appearing. Speaking of Dr. Fate, I recently bought a compilation of him, several issues in one book. It was somewhat disappointing, although I acknowledge that writer Paul Levitz tried to make it fresh by making the new Fate a college kid. It was a good try but still awkward. But in the same month, I also bought a Dr. Strange compilation too, and that one was very good, with Steven Strange's astral-form directing the surgery being done on his own physical body. It adds to my anticipation for his upcoming movie.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 25, 2016 03:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:

Didn't the Martian appear on Smallville too? I also remember Doctor Fate appearing.[/quote]

I had forgotten that. But a quick Google search proved that to be true.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 26, 2016 01:33PM)
Additional comment on Apocalypse is that the actor would be very well suited for the role of Thunder agent Noman, that android character who can do soul-transference. The only difference is that his skin would be blue, but other than that, the saturnine facial features are already tailor-made. And Apocalypse wears the same kind of hood that Noman wears.
So far the closest thing I've seen of a facial resemblance to Noman on live-action film are the androids from the science fiction film CREATION OF THE HUMANOIDS. They even had the blue-skin, same as Noman's.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 3, 2016 04:40PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
My problem with J'onn was always his personality. When the JLA started he was cast in the same role as everybody else. Later he seemed to have no personality. Then he became the utilitarian leader (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one kind of thing)

J'onn could be great in the hands of the correct writer. Having him brood over his lost world and family may be accurate to such a being, but it is not interesting. [/quote]
Well,actually I think they were trying to make him just like the Spock character. After all, Spock was known for his coldness and aloofness. The big difference is that the Martian was simply cold whereas Spock's coldness was a facade as he had the inner conflict between his human half and Vulcan half.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 5, 2016 04:59PM)
In the obituary today was actress Noel Neill who died at age 95. She was famous as the very first actress to play Lois Lane from the Superman films, both the movie-serials and the tv series. I acknowledge the popularity of the tv series but my favorite hero was still The Flash during that time. At the same time, though, I still have some Superman stories that are favorites but they are from the magazines rather than film. I think I should list those favorites in a subsequent post. But for the time being, I just wanted to eulogize.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 7, 2016 10:29PM)
As I have often fondly said...

No one can play Lois Lane well. The problem is that to be Lois you have to be four things, two of which conflict with each other. She has to be strong and smart, while blindly blundering into trouble to be rescued. She has to be a b)itch but you have to like her.

Most actresses hit 3 out of four. In Noel's Case I never liked her much, and did not see what Clark/Superman saw in her.

Still, I toast her memory. She did entertain us after all.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jul 7, 2016 10:58PM)
I finally saw Batman v Superman. The so-called extended ULTIMATE EDITION version, not the theatrical. I liked it quite a bit.

My understanding is that the theatrical version cut out some essential plot points that, among other things, explained why some characters behaved as they did.

http://www.thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-extended-cut-adds-in-all-the-scenes-that-make-it-make-sense-commentary/
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 22, 2016 09:57AM)
After their huge successes with Daredevil and Jessica Jones, Netflix has just released the first trailer for Luke Cage and a teaser for Iron Fist. Game of Thrones fans may recognize the actor playing Iron Fist who met an untimely demise this season along with his sister.

[youtube]Ymw5uvViqPU[/youtube]

[youtube]QCSPda7xQ3s[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 23, 2016 07:45PM)
Thanks for letting us know about Luke Cage --although as far as Black-heroes go, my favorite is still Brother Voodoo. Although the first artist to illustrate Brother Voodoo was Gene Colan, I find that the best artists for that series were those Filipino-artists such as Tony De Zuniga. I felt De Zuniga was ideally suited for those stories with Voodoo's adversary with the white-painted face. Along similar lines was another Filipino-artist Alfredo Alcala who drew the "Tales of the Zombie" series.

What got me interested in Filipino-artists was when I found out recently that the Philipines has a very popular superhero of its own called Lastikman whose body can stretch like rubber just like DC's Elongated Man. In fact, the Lastikman comic book became so popular that it spawned both a theatrical movie and a TV series, both live-action!
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 23, 2016 09:09PM)
A couple of new trailers came out today:


Wonder Woman Comic-Con Trailer
[youtube]5lGoQhFb4NM[/youtube]
Movie release date -- 2 June 2017.


Justice League Special Comic-Con Footage
[youtube]gglkYMGRYlE[/youtube]
Movie release date -- 17 November 2017.


- Donald
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 24, 2016 09:45AM)
I notice that the Justice League trailer seemed to be missing a big red "S."

Makes me wonder if he will appear by surprise near the end of the film to save the day.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 24, 2016 10:00AM)
I hope not. That is just such lazy writing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 24, 2016 10:09AM)
They are doing the thing that annoys me MOST with new Era superhero movies. Why bother with masks when everyone knows who you are? Even before Flash is on the team Bruce Wayne throws a Baterang at him?

These guys are worse than magicians at keeping secrets.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 24, 2016 10:34PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
I notice that the Justice League trailer seemed to be missing a big red "S."

Makes me wonder if he will appear by surprise near the end of the film to save the day. [/quote]

I'm assuming that Superman isn't shown in the trailer for "Justice League" because of the way that "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" finished. (I could discuss further, but it might be spoilers for those who haven't seen the movie.)

On the other hand, if you read the info about the "Justice League" cast on IMDB, Superman/Clark Kent is listed.

[quote]On Jul 24, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
They are doing the thing that annoys me MOST with new Era superhero movies. Why bother with masks when everyone knows who you are? Even before Flash is on the team Bruce Wayne throws a Baterang at him?

These guys are worse than magicians at keeping secrets. [/quote]

BTW, in answer to Danny's comment about Batman (and Wonder Woman) knowing the other heroes secret identities, that is also tied into the "Batman v Superman" movie storyline. (Again, I could discuss further, but it would contain spoilers from "Batman v Superman".)

I only watched the theatrical version of the movie once, and I remember this.

Did no one else watch that movie? :)

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 25, 2016 02:03AM)
I understand that is how the movie is written. I don't think it is good.

My problem to be clear is that they know who Batman is. Secret identities used to be... oh I don't know... SECRET!

Yes I watched the movie. Did you take reading comprehension classes?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 25, 2016 11:27AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
They are doing the thing that annoys me MOST with new Era superhero movies. Why bother with masks when everyone knows who you are? Even before Flash is on the team Bruce Wayne throws a Baterang at him?

These guys are worse than magicians at keeping secrets. [/quote]

I don't know about Donald, but I took reading comprehension. And your complaint that EVERYONE knows who they are isn't very accurate. In the case of Flash, Lex Luther seemed to have figured it out which led Batman to learn about him. Now if you're concerned that Batman is revealing HIS identity to Flash by throwing a Batarang at him, well, I would assume it might be to help gain trust since he's letting the Flash know that HE knows who he is. So yeah, SOME people know who they are, but hardly everyone.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 25, 2016 11:48AM)
Marvel released so much amazing goodness at Comic Con.

They showed a trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy 2 which has Kurt Russel in it as Star Lords father. People are raving about the trailer but unfortunately they haven't released it to the public yet. Hopefully soon.

One thing they did release was a new trailer for Dr Strange which looks totally trippy. (When Dr Strange was first printed in the 60's, a number of reviewers compared it to being on an acid trip)

[youtube]HSzx-zryEgM[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 25, 2016 11:51AM)
Oh lord yes lets play the Greg Brady "exact words" game. Once you get to that you really are being a troll.

So yes you got me. Not EVERYONE knows. Right I did use a wrong word. You are so clever. But for Batman to reveal who he is PRIOR to anyone bring on his team is very un Batman like. This is the guy who wore a led lined cowl so Supergirl couldn't know who he is.

Secret identities are secret. Batman is particularly paranoid about it. Extremely vigilant about it. So to just take a chance to "build trust" was an odd move.

To many people know who these guys are in the modern Era superhero movies. Which was exactly what I said. I did not say I didn't follow the story line, or didn't see what that did.

Where are your vaunted comprehension skills?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 25, 2016 12:16PM)
I will go see the Doc Strange movie though I am not a fan at all.

The weird thinking on my part as far as the charecter goes is just the impossibility of it strikes a bad chord with me. Sure gamma accidents, Iron Man, Asgard, Guardians, Sups from another planet, and all that seems ok. But for some reason the Strange charecter just gives me that no way feeling. Pretty crazy reasoning huh?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 25, 2016 12:33PM)
I was never a fan of the comic either but I think the movie looks fantastic. I was a big big Marvel comic fan growing up but I gotta admit, I think Marvel's movies are generally better than the comics.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 25, 2016 12:39PM)
My latest obsession has been the death of Jason Todd, Death of Superman, Dark Knight Returns and Korvac. Oh and The Killing Joke, where basically Oracle is born.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 6, 2016 02:09PM)
I went and saw Civil War again and it still holds up. I was happy.

Funny thing happened though. My wife is a Duran Duran fan and we went to the show in Glendale Arizona. (Phoenix basically.) Good show blah blah blah, BUT the distracting thing is that the lead singer Simon Le Bon looks almost EXACTLY like Hawkeye! At least from the 8th row. Took me like 4 songs to piece it together but it became oddly distracting. Sure Simon is almost 60 and Renner is way younger but it was enough to make you look and tilt your head and say Hmmmmm.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 6, 2016 06:07PM)
I really enjoyed "Captain America: Civil War." I saw it 3 times in the theatre.

I think that Marvel is rocking the movies, and DC is rocking the TV shows. I love that CW is going to have 4 nights of DC Superhero shows, starting this fall. (I don't have Netflix, so I can't comment on the Marvel series there.)

Has anyone seen "Suicide Squad" yet? I was considering seeing it in the next week or so, but maybe not on opening weekend.

I was interested in buying a copy of the Ultimate Edition of "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice"*, but I think that version is only available in Blu-ray. I have a DVD player, and quite a collection of DVDs, so I wasn't really interested in buying a Blu-ray player just for that one movie. (Yes, I know that Blu-ray players also play DVDs.)

* Someone earlier linked to an article that suggested that the Ultimate Edition, with the extra footage, made more sense as a movie / story.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 6, 2016 06:24PM)
On my way right now.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 6, 2016 07:44PM)
When you mentioned the Hawkeye-resemblance, I have to say that John Colicos (in his physical resemblance)would have been the perfect actor to play Baron Mordo. Lamentable then that Mr. Colicos has passed away, because had he still been alive, the resemblance to Mordo is uncanny.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 6, 2016 10:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
I understand that is how the movie is written. I don't think it is good.

My problem to be clear is that they know who Batman is. Secret identities used to be... oh I don't know... SECRET!

Yes I watched the movie. Did you take reading comprehension classes? [/quote]

I do believe the Justice League knew each other identities in the comic. The purpose of the masks is to keep the average joe from knowing who Batman, Flash, etc. are.

This of course leads us to the Marvel movies where the characters DO give up their identities ("I AM Iron Man!") and still wear masks. Well, for Tony it's probably protection and for Steve it's more than likely inspiration.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 7, 2016 02:00AM)
Caps mask is a helmet. Yes the "I am Iron Man" thing bothered the crap out of me. In the Spiderman movies it seems as if every villain knows who he is.

And no in the comics they make a big deal for a long time not knowing who is behind the masks. Made it a big deal because Batman was such a great detective he figured it all out.

And CERTAINLY he NEVER would reveal it prior to a person actually being in the League. Giving up the identity is not a recruitment tool. This is where I have the issues.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 8, 2016 05:46PM)
Saw Suicide Squad over the weekend and while there were some fun moments, particularly Margo Robbie's portrayal of Harley Quinn, the movie was a big disappointment. While it clobbered opening records for August including beating Guardians of the Galaxy by over 40 million, I would bet that Guardians overall earnings will still end up beating Suicide Squad as I expect the bad word of mouth will make the earnings drop off quickly.

Even though the reviews for Batman Vs Superman were terrible, I felt like the movie was still pretty fun to watch and not as bad as the reviews made it. I'm afraid I have to agree with many of the reviews on this one.

So, how can DC catch up with Marvel? At this point, I don't think they can. At least not in the foreseeable future.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 8, 2016 06:40PM)
Yea I think you are right.

I agree about Suicide Squad, and Batman Vs Superman.

Also with your overall conclusions.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 8, 2016 07:36PM)
Since the support seems to be for Marvel movies, here's a reminder.

Upcoming movies from Marvel:

November 2016: Doctor Strange
March 2017: Untitled Wolverine Film
May 2017: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
July 2017: Spider-Man: Homecoming
November 2017: Thor: Ragnarok
February 2018: Black Panther
May 2018: Avengers: Infinity War *
July 2018: Ant-Man and The Wasp
March 2019: Captain Marvel
May 2019: Untitled Avengers Film *

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

- Donald

P.S. * Originally, Infinity War was to be Part I and II, in 2018 and 2019. But they changed that information / those titles not too long ago.

P.P.S. Of course, the Wolverine film is from 20th Century Fox, and isn't part of the MCU. There's still no firm information about when Gambit will be filmed and released.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 8, 2016 07:56PM)
I was hoping for Ant Man sooner and another Deadpool.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 8, 2016 09:07PM)
I think that the Deadpool sequel is coming in January 2018. It's not listed on that Wikipedia page right now, but it is listed on IMDB.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: balducci (Aug 9, 2016 08:28PM)
[quote]On Aug 8, 2016, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Since the support seems to be for Marvel movies, here's a reminder.

Upcoming movies from Marvel:

November 2016: Doctor Strange
March 2017: Untitled Wolverine Film
May 2017: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
July 2017: Spider-Man: Homecoming
November 2017: Thor: Ragnarok
February 2018: Black Panther
May 2018: Avengers: Infinity War *
July 2018: Ant-Man and The Wasp
March 2019: Captain Marvel
May 2019: Untitled Avengers Film *

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

- Donald

P.S. * Originally, Infinity War was to be Part I and II, in 2018 and 2019. But they changed that information / those titles not too long ago.
[/quote]
See link for deets:

http://collider.com/avengers-infinity-war-movie-title/
Message: Posted by: balducci (Aug 9, 2016 08:30PM)
Upcoming Superhero Movie Release Dates: From 2016 to 2020:

http://collider.com/upcoming-new-superhero-movies-2016-2020-release-dates/

And, more or less hot off the press, Superman 2 is now in active development:

http://collider.com/man-of-steel-2-director-poll/
Message: Posted by: balducci (Aug 9, 2016 10:13PM)
Luke Cage (Netflix Series) Official Trailer:

https://youtu.be/ytkjQvSk2VA
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 18, 2016 09:52PM)
[youtube]PMNFaAUs2mo[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 18, 2016 11:37PM)
Interestingly I did not dislike the movie , but did feel it could somehow be more. Don't know how or what I want but was left with that feeling.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 21, 2016 09:35AM)
Pretty much every question raised in the Sales Pitch above I thought about during the movie.

Best quote in a movie review:

"The question isn't if Suicide Squad is as good as Captain America: Civil War, the question is if Suicide Squad is as bad as Green Lantern."
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 22, 2016 06:15PM)
Contrary to the critics, Suicide Squad has made it to the top of the box office Three weeks in a row.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 22, 2016 06:29PM)
Good for DC. It looks like they are trying to use Ben Affleck as sort of an Iron Man figure to string all the movies through.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 23, 2016 09:45AM)
[quote]On Aug 22, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:
Contrary to the critics, Suicide Squad has made it to the top of the box office Three weeks in a row. [/quote]

That's funny. In all the reviews I read, I didn't notice any critics saying it wouldn't make money! :eek:

The last 2 Transformers movies both made over a Billion dollars worldwide. That doesn't mean they were any good.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 23, 2016 10:04AM)
[quote]On Aug 23, 2016, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Aug 22, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:
Contrary to the critics, Suicide Squad has made it to the top of the box office Three weeks in a row. [/quote]

That's funny. In all the reviews I read, I didn't notice any critics saying it wouldn't make money! :eek:

The last 2 Transformers movies both made over a Billion dollars worldwide. That doesn't mean they were any good. [/quote]

I didn't like the 3rd one much at all.

I didn't dislike Suicide Squad.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 9, 2016 07:55PM)
How many of you have purchased the OMNIBUS reprints of both Marvel and DC? My big gripe with those Omnibus books is with DC. You see, in the Marvel Omnibus books, Marvel also includes the letter-columns from the back-issues. But, guess what, DC does not. Come on, those letter-columns are just as important. In fact, I remember when I used to buy those comics, the very first thing I did was to turn to the letter-columns--especially when one of my letters was printed in a Dr. Strange issue. Better yet was because Marvel sent me a post-card ahead of time telling me my letter would be printed. I still remember how exhilarated I felt when I got that post-card. That was way back in the 1960s.

So my gripe is that the Omnibus books from Marvel include the old letter-columns but DC does not. Small wonder that myself who began collecting as a DC fan is gradually becoming more of a Marvel fan.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 10, 2016 04:18PM)
I have not bought an OMNIBUS book. But, as to the letters... I had a letter printed in 1977. Back then they printed your address when they printed your letter. I made a connection to a pen-pal in Hambug Germany. We corresponded for a couple of years till I went to college. By the way, DC sent me a post card too.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 15, 2016 10:28PM)
New trailer for Luke Cage. (The 3rd Defender) All episodes available on NetFlix on Sept 30.

[youtube]ytkjQvSk2VA[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 17, 2016 07:58PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
I have not bought an OMNIBUS book. But, as to the letters... I had a letter printed in 1977. Back then they printed your address when they printed your letter. I made a connection to a pen-pal in Hambug Germany. We corresponded for a couple of years till I went to college. By the way, DC sent me a post card too. [/quote]

While we're at it about the old lettercols, I think you would be interested to know that comics artist Dave Cockrum (who used to draw the Legion of Superheroes) had a letter printed way back when in a Marvel comic (I don't remember the specific title, though). Just as you,Cliff, had a penpal via the lettercol, so also did Cockrum, but it was a lady whom he eventually married!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 24, 2016 07:48PM)
Marvel's Ghost-Rider to appear on Agents of Shield. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/agents-shield-season-4-preview-929631

The reason I like Ghost-Rider is because he reminds me of that real-life motorcyclist-daredevil Evel Knieval who captured the headlines back in the 1970s. Does anybody else here remember any of Knieval's breathtaking stunts?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 24, 2016 08:26PM)
I think most remember him for failing.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 3, 2016 07:55PM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
I think most remember him for failing. [/quote]
In a sense, yes --because in those failures,he broke so many bones, and repeatedly. As the newspapers used to quip,"Knieval broke every bone in his body except his pinky." Equally as amazing as his successes were his failures, his failures just as amazing because no matter how many bones he broke, he recuperated and kept returning to his performances. On the other hand, look at Christopher Reeve. Reeve had only one fall from a horse, and his whole body got paralyzed. In comparison, Knieval got severely injured numerous times, yet never got paralyzed. Note that Knieval holds the Guinness World's Record for the most broken bones.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 3, 2016 10:49PM)
He also wore a helmet.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 5, 2016 12:16PM)
I watched the TV episode of the Flash, "Flahshpoint" last night.

I alwys loved the Flash going back to the 70's. Cary Bates and Irv Novick brought us some great comic book works back then.

In the 90's I loved the Flash TV show. It was low budget and it showed, but I loved it anyway. Didn't hurt that the outside of "Star Labs" was the school I was teaching at.

The TV episode that has been touted all summer just goes to show that DC has a lot of work to do to catch up with Marvel.

As a stand alone episode it was not bad. My problem was the plot of "Hero screws up and must sacrifice to put it right" is old and tired. As the big opener I just felt it fell flat.

be clear, without all the hype, I would have liked it better. DC seems to feel that it's TV show need to be epic. I think it is the wrong format for epic.

We'll see how the JLA movie comes out.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 5, 2016 01:53PM)
The Flash is aimed at a different audience than you might imagine. Look at how dark Arrow is with just that hour difference. It is not aimed at the same audience.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 5, 2016 03:31PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:

As a stand alone episode it was not bad. My problem was the plot of "Hero screws up and must sacrifice to put it right" is old and tired. As the big opener I just felt it fell flat.[/quote]

Barry's motivation is about his parents, and that has come up again and again in the storyline. So, what happened in last night's episode didn't surprise me too much. I enjoyed it.

FYI, here's something I read about a future episode, so this link contains spoilers.

http://www.blastr.com/2016-10-3/flash-star-john-wesley-shipp-expect-different-dynamic-between-jay-garrick-barry

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 6, 2016 01:02PM)
Almost done with Luke Cage on netflix and while it's gotten overwhelmingly high praise, I personally don't think it's been as good as either Daredevil or Jessica Jones. However, having said that, it's still light years ahead of Flash, Arrow, or even Agents of Shield.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 6, 2016 08:54PM)
I wasn't a Jessica Jones fan.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 10, 2016 01:20PM)
New trailer for Iron Fist.

[youtube]0sEJeWB3RA8[/youtube]

And it was announced that Sigourney Weaver will be playing the villain that brings together the Defenders.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2016 01:38PM)
Now they are getting them out faster than I can watch!

I have heard some good things about Luke Cage. Slow start but then when they got to the origin part I guess it really picked up. I am hoping to find time to watch it soon.
Message: Posted by: Doctor Silver (Oct 14, 2016 01:46PM)
The ONLY way DC can catch up with Marvel is by a merger with Marvel.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 14, 2016 05:44PM)
Since you,DS, mentioned a merger, I just heard about another possible merger which would result in the shocking cancellation of ALL X-men magazines. From what I heard, Disney doesn't want any competition from Fox, so Marvel is being pressured to eliminate ALL X-men titles. The merger would be a merging of the X-men with the Inhumans. Xavier's mutants will still survive but they will be merged into an entirely different team. X-men fans are understandably outraged at this development.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 15, 2016 11:27AM)
I think that a merger between DC and marvel would hurt both products. Both are quality products that cater to their respective audiences. Some people are fans of both, but nearly everyone has their preference. I do. This is probably as it should be. If they ever merged, both of what makes them unique would be lost. I'd be sad.

On another note, I just finished watching Luke Cage. Yes it was gritty. Yes it was dark and a bit fatalistic. It was also great. Great scripting, great acting, great direction. Overall five star rating. I'm not sure why DC can't keep up with that. They should be able to produce a TV product of that quality, but I guess it is what I said above... They are going for a different audience. I like Flash, I like Arrow, (Jury's out on Legends of Tomorrow, I think that show has some problems)but those shows aren't the same level as Marvel's TV efforts.

Of course Marvel TV is on cable, allowing for some profanity. I don't think it is needed. Luke's "Sweet Christmas!" Expletive works just fine. There are some greater allowances for the dark theme on cable, but I still think DC could match that if they wanted to. I guess they just don't want to.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Oct 16, 2016 08:59AM)
No love for Gotham here?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 16, 2016 09:57AM)
Gotham is fine. I enjoy it. My problem with that show is that I am a purist going back and starting to read and collect comic books in 1972. Gotham is seriously messing with the "Batman cannon." Doesn't make it a bad show, I have the same issue with most prequels; you already know what they are building up to.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 16, 2016 10:53AM)
Yea it is going into details that never existed and it is not really following stay HAD to happen.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 16, 2016 04:00PM)
Gotham (n.) Look up Gotham at Dictionary.com
"New York City," first used by Washington Irving in "Salmagundi" (1807), based on "Merrie Tales of the Mad Men of Gotham" (1460), a collection of legendary stories of English villagers alternately wise and foolish. There is a village of this name in Nottinghamshire, originally Gatham (1086), in Old English, "Enclosure (literally 'homestead') where goats are kept." It is unknown if this was the place intended in the stories. Related: Gothamite.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 18, 2016 05:34PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
I like Flash, I like Arrow, (Jury's out on Legends of Tomorrow, I think that show has some problems).
[/quote]

When you said Legends of Tomorrow has problems, are you referring to the time-discrepancies? For example, after Rip Hunter's time-trip back to ancient-Egypt, there were archaeologists here in the present-time who excavated a hieroglyphic. Among the pictographs shown on the hieroglyph was a pictograph of Rip Hunter's time-machine. The problem here is that a time traveler to the past has to AVOID leaving any evidence of his appearance, otherwise it would upset the whole time-continuum. The word is Anachronism,i.e., something Not appropriate to a particular time-period. That anachronism is only one of several anachronisms, so I wonder whether Cliff meant them or not.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 18, 2016 09:06PM)
Yes Orville, that is part of it.

If you have watched the new show "Timeless" they do a great job of showing how history can be subtly, or not so subtly changed.

I am not a big fan of time travel in the first place.

Einstein was not happy when someone showed him that HIS work allowed for going BACK in time and that it was theoretically and mathematically possible. I agree with him. I actually did a presentation to a large group of teachers at Occidental College on this very topic and why I felt it was not possible. Do I have mathematical proof? No. The math says it can be done. But logic says other wise.

if you could change time, would anyone know you had done it? Or would people feel that what they now experience is what was?

The show Legends of Tomorrow spits on science really badly. (Get over it Cliff, it is fiction/fantasy)

True enough that. But it just doesn't work for me.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 19, 2016 12:34PM)
I got a kick out of the reference to "Back to the Future II" on "Timeless" this week. I made the comment to my wife as we were watching it, and then they said something in the script.

Still enjoying season 3 of "The Flash", and the impact of "Flashpoint".

We're only 1 episode into season 2 of "DC's Legends of Tomorrow", and it will be interesting to see where show that goes this season.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 19, 2016 05:57PM)
A little teaser for Guardians of the Galaxy 2, next May.

[youtube]2WhQcK-Zaok[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Oct 21, 2016 10:31AM)
Here's the newly released trailer for "Logan" (aka Wolverine III), coming March 3, 2017:

[youtube]Div0iP65aZo[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 26, 2016 04:02PM)
[quote]On Aug 8, 2016, rockwall wrote:
Saw Suicide Squad over the weekend and while there were some fun moments, particularly Margo Robbie's portrayal of Harley Quinn, the movie was a big disappointment. While it clobbered opening records for August including beating Guardians of the Galaxy by over 40 million, I would bet that Guardians overall earnings will still end up beating Suicide Squad as I expect the bad word of mouth will make the earnings drop off quickly.

Even though the reviews for Batman Vs Superman were terrible, I felt like the movie was still pretty fun to watch and not as bad as the reviews made it. I'm afraid I have to agree with many of the reviews on this one.

So, how can DC catch up with Marvel? At this point, I don't think they can. At least not in the foreseeable future. [/quote]

So, I think I can now say that my prediction was right as at this point in it's run Guardians of the Galaxy had made more money than Suicide Squad has. However, I have to admit that I'm surprised that Suicide Squad has done as well as it has. And it's amazing how close the numbers are for both movies.

Cost to make: Suicide Squad 175 mil Guardians 170 mil
Gross after 11 weeks: Suicide Squad ~324 mil Guardians ~327 mil

Total including Foreign Suicide Squad ~745 mil (11 weeks) Guardians ~773 mil (total)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 26, 2016 04:18PM)
I suspected as much.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 26, 2016 08:06PM)
That is a real shock given how much great press and word of mouth Guardians got, and how much bad press and bad word of mouth Squad got.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 29, 2016 07:34PM)
Up til now,I never cared to watch Agents of Shield at all, but recently began watching because of Ghost Rider's inclusion. The multiple appearances of the Ghost Rider seem to be tied in with the upcoming Dr. Strange movie because Ghost Rider ran across the Darkhold book which is an important part of the Dr. Strange mythos.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 31, 2016 05:53PM)
Man, I'm trying to watch AoS but it's just so bad. I think I'll have to enjoy Doctor Strange without worrying about the tie ins. I think AoS has probably ruined the Inhumans enough that Marvel may never actually release the Inhumans movie they were planning on now.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 5, 2016 04:36PM)
So Friday I went to see Doctor Strange. As I have said I have never been a big fan of the charecter.

No spooilers here.

I liked the movie. While it will not convert me to buying the books the movie was good enough.

At times it was sort of like watching a live action MC Escher picture.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Nov 5, 2016 09:48PM)
The film has been getting good reviews in general, so I'm excited about seeing it.

I actually loved Doctor Strange in the comics, as he was not a cliche hero and of course used magic...albeit real magic.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Nov 6, 2016 09:02AM)
How DC can catch up with Marvel is by being more comical. The funniest line in Doctor Strange was quite funny.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 6, 2016 09:26AM)
I also noticed the new Marvel Studio opening where the movies are in the page flips and not the comics.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 6, 2016 04:49PM)
WOW! I just got home from seeing Dr. Strange.

Wow, Cumberbatch was brilliant.

They brought the comic book to life.

Stan Lee cracked me up in this one.

Remember to stay to the very end.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 6, 2016 05:36PM)
I agree he was brilliant and reminded me of Harrison Ford for some reason.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Nov 6, 2016 06:51PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
WOW! I just got home from seeing Dr. Strange.

Wow, Cumberbatch was brilliant.

They brought the comic book to life.

Stan Lee cracked me up in this one.

Remember to stay to the very end. [/quote]

While I'm kind of annoyed at what I've heard of Disney dictating to Marvel what should happen in the comics! (In short, the X-Men are to be removed as titles and the characters will be phased into the Inhumans! :( ) I do think they do a great job of adding the characters into the parks where they fit;

[youtube]xfudte19s4A[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 11, 2016 05:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2016, ed rhodes wrote:
annoyed at Disney dictating to Marvel what should happen in the comics! (In short, the X-Men are to be removed as titles and the characters will be phased into the Inhumans! :( )
[/quote]
Actually I had already mentioned that about the X-Men in a previous post. So I agree with you 100%. After all, the X-Men name itself is so iconic.
(Note also that the Fantastic Four magazine itself has bit the dust.)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 21, 2016 06:01PM)
To my delight, Dr. Strange made it to the top of the box office for 2 weeks in a row.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 25, 2016 07:18PM)
After seeing the Dr. Strange film, as my friend and I were relaxing in the theatre-lobby, we overheard a couple (male and female) discussing. When the male asked for the lady's opinion, she said,"Cute." The male asked,"Are you referring to Cumberbatch?", to which the lady answered,"No, I meant his Cloak." I'm guessing that the lady was referring to when the Cloak deliberately tickles Stephen on his neck.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 25, 2016 07:46PM)
My daughter (17 years old) liked it so much she saw Dr. Strange twice.

She is also very sad that Disney bought Marvel. I am sad for Marvel, I think she is sad for Disney.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 25, 2016 08:20PM)
And yet this movie was made.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 26, 2016 06:07PM)
[quote]On Nov 25, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
My daughter (17 years old) liked it so much she saw Dr. Strange twice.

She is also very sad that Disney bought Marvel. I am sad for Marvel, I think she is sad for Disney. [/quote]
Now that you mention your daughter, I was wondering-- is your daughter a comics-reader OR did she like the movie without having read the magazine at all? The reason I ask is because many parents who are comics-collectors like to influence their children. But there are also some superhero-movies that also appeal to audiences who don't know comics at all.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 26, 2016 09:10PM)
To answer your question Orville.... My daughter is NOT a comic book reader. She does enjoy Superhero movies, especially watching them with me. Lately she is branching out to watch them with other friends. She and I both enjoyed the often panned "Green Lantern," which we did see together in the theater.

She might have been a comic book reader, but I sold my collection when she was very young. I needed to make room for my new daughter at the time, and I guess I needed to grow up a little. (Just a little though.)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Nov 26, 2016 10:36PM)
[quote]On Nov 25, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
My daughter (17 years old) liked it so much she saw Dr. Strange twice.

She is also very sad that Disney bought Marvel. I am sad for Marvel, I think she is sad for Disney. [/quote]

I am not sad for Marvel being owned by Disney. If you read the history of Marvel comics, it's a history of constant ownership by people who wanted nothing more than to milk the product for all it was worth. The Toy Company that owned Marvel in the 80s and 90s practically drove it into bankruptcy. While I'm not happy with Disney trying to get Marvel to cancel the X-Men titles so they can put the characters into The Inhumans (which they still own) I still think Disney owning Marvel is going to be good for the company in the long run.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Nov 28, 2016 11:12PM)
So Spiderman is Luke skywalkers great grand uncle?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 29, 2016 12:33PM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2016, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
So Spiderman is Luke skywalkers great grand uncle? [/quote]

I think it's the other way around. After all, Star Wars happened, "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Nov 30, 2016 09:13AM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2016, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Nov 25, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
My daughter (17 years old) liked it so much she saw Dr. Strange twice.

She is also very sad that Disney bought Marvel. I am sad for Marvel, I think she is sad for Disney. [/quote]

I am not sad for Marvel being owned by Disney. If you read the history of Marvel comics, it's a history of constant ownership by people who wanted nothing more than to milk the product for all it was worth. The Toy Company that owned Marvel in the 80s and 90s practically drove it into bankruptcy. While I'm not happy with Disney trying to get Marvel to cancel the X-Men titles so they can put the characters into The Inhumans (which they still own) I still think Disney owning Marvel is going to be good for the company in the long run. [/quote]

Ron Perelman is the biggest villain imo. He cared nothing about the characters or the lore; he just wanted to exploit the properties. He immediately raised not only the prices but the number of titles as well. The licensing deals he made are still affecting things.

I owned a comic store at the time. I remember how the order form grew from 4-5 pages to 30-40 pages in a matter of months. Then it became a magazine.
I had to make hundreds of decisions about how much non-returnable merchandise to order. It was a nightmare.
A lot of true believers got disgusted and stopped collecting. Even worse, a lot of people were drawn to the supposed investment value of the new books and spent ridiculous amount of money on now worthless books. Craigslist is full of people who have thousands of "80's and 90's" books.

I'm not a fan of the X-men/Inhumans direction, but I think Disney owning Marvel is a good thing, if only for the massive resources they have.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 30, 2016 10:07AM)
Hey there Twister,

Where was your comic shop?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Nov 30, 2016 10:22AM)
[quote]On Nov 30, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
Hey there Twister,

Where was your comic shop? [/quote]

Fantasy Headquarters. Bath ave in Brooklyn N.Y.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 30, 2016 10:40AM)
I was in New York at that time, I was buying my books in Greenwich Village. Sorry I never came to your store.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Nov 30, 2016 10:57AM)
It was a cool place. Actually, it was the fulfillment of a childhood dream.

In the end I was one of those who got disgusted. I was going through a divorce at the time. I ended up walking away from tens of thousands of back issues. I sold my personal collection soon after.
If I was selling those books today I could retire tomorrow, and live like a king for a long time.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Dec 5, 2016 02:16PM)
This is the new teaser trailer for Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2:

[youtube]dW1BIid8Osg[/youtube]

- Donald
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Dec 5, 2016 02:58PM)
Baby Groot rocks!!!
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Dec 9, 2016 08:56AM)
The first official trailer for "Spider-Man: Homecoming" aired on Jimmy Kimmel last night. Here's the video from their official Youtube page:

[youtube]xrzXIaTt99U[/youtube]

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Dec 9, 2016 12:22PM)
I've been excited for Marvel taking over Spiderman but I gotta admit, the Guardians trailer has me way more excited than the Spiderman trailer.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 10, 2016 07:26PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
To answer your question Orville.... My daughter is NOT a comic book reader. She does enjoy Superhero movies, especially watching them with me. Lately she is branching out to watch them with other friends. She and I both enjoyed the often panned "Green Lantern," which we did see together in the theater.

[/quote]

Much as I hate to say it, Cliff, both you and me are in the minority as far as Green Lantern. Because as often panned as the film is, I enjoyed it as much as you. What impressed me the most is the presentation of the many extraterrestrials. The only disappointment was the casting choice of Ryan Reynolds. Maybe that was what spoiled the film for many viewers. I must admit it dampened it for me. How about you, Cliff? Did you find Reynolds disappointing or acceptable?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 10, 2016 08:03PM)
Ryan Reynolds is not my favorite actor, but I thought he was well cast. Hal Jordan is a man (or was depending on comic continuity) who takes himself very seriously and has very little humor to him. I thought Reynolds captured that intensity well. In fact he grew into it as the film progressed.

If I want to state my opinion of what was wrong with that film, I blame the editing. The acting and special effects were very good. what's wrong with the editing? There are a couple of places where it is plain to see scenes were cut and explanation was lacking. Also there was another issue for me in that When Hal first wears the ring he unknowingly kills or at least severely injures three guys who attack him. Was there a cut scene where they pick themselves up and limp away, or were they killed?

But that is me nitpicking. I liked the film and felt that what I saw was what Green Lantern would look like if there could be such a thing. Limited by the ring wearer's imagination and what they can think of at the time.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 11, 2016 04:05AM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
Ryan Reynolds is not my favorite actor, but I thought he was well cast. Hal Jordan is a man (or was depending on comic continuity) who takes himself very seriously and has very little humor to him. I thought Reynolds captured that intensity well. In fact he grew into it as the film progressed.

If I want to state my opinion of what was wrong with that film, I blame the editing. The acting and special effects were very good. what's wrong with the editing? There are a couple of places where it is plain to see scenes were cut and explanation was lacking. Also there was another issue for me in that When Hal first wears the ring he unknowingly kills or at least severely injures three guys who attack him. Was there a cut scene where they pick themselves up and limp away, or were they killed?

But that is me nitpicking. I liked the film and felt that what I saw was what Green Lantern would look like if there could be such a thing. Limited by the ring wearer's imagination and what they can think of at the time. [/quote]

I've never understood all the hate for the movie, or the seeming need to over analyze comic book movies.
A certain level of suspension of disbelief is required.

I go in with the mindset that I'm going to enjoy the ride. Usually I'm not disappointed.
Granted, some of them just suck, but so do some movies in every genre. I'll take a bad comic movie over a bad romantic comedy every time.

I also think Ryan Reynolds was fine. I think a lot of the dislike comes from people who wanted a different actor and go into the movie with a bias.

Collateral damage is another area where you just have to accept and assume. As a kid I always thought the lengths they went to to show you that "everyone is ok", were ridiculous.
When the Hulk and the Abomination are throwing buses at each other in midtown Manhattan, people are going to get hurt.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 11, 2016 08:46AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:
Collateral damage is another area where you just have to accept and assume. As a kid I always thought the lengths they went to to show you that "everyone is ok", were ridiculous.
When the Hulk and the Abomination are throwing buses at each other in midtown Manhattan, people are going to get hurt. [/quote]

You certainly speak the truth Twister, Hence the set up for Superman vs. Batman. I guess somebody felt it was time to address that very issue. Also, DC was supposed to come out with a comedy TV show that showed an insurance company working after hero/villain fights. Don't know if it ever did happen. Might have been cute.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 11, 2016 09:35AM)
OOOPS! I spoke too soon....

Today, NBC has announced their lineup for the midseason and with it comes the "Powerless" premiere date. The ensemble comedy, set in the world of the DC Universe, will premiere Thursday, February 2 at 8:30 p.m.

In the first comedy series set in the universe of DC Comics, Vanessa Hudgens (Grease Live, High School Musical) plays Emily, a spunky young insurance adjuster specializing in regular-people coverage against damage caused by the crime-fighting superheroes. It’s when she stands up to one of these larger-than-life figures (after an epic battle messes with her commute) that she accidentally becomes a cult “hero” in her own right … even if it’s just to her group of lovably quirky co-workers. Now, while she navigates her normal, everyday life against an explosive backdrop, Emily might just discover that being a hero doesn’t always require superpowers.

The Powerless show cast also includes Alan Tudyk (Firefly, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story), Danny Pudi (Community, Captain America: The Winter Soldier), Ron Funches (Undateable), Kate Micucci (Garfunkel and Oates, Steven Universe) and Christina Kirk (A To Z, Manhattan).
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Dec 11, 2016 02:42PM)
[quote]On Nov 30, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:
Ron Perelman is the biggest villain imo. He cared nothing about the characters or the lore; he just wanted to exploit the properties. He immediately raised not only the prices but the number of titles as well. The licensing deals he made are still affecting things.

I owned a comic store at the time. I remember how the order form grew from 4-5 pages to 30-40 pages in a matter of months. Then it became a magazine.
I had to make hundreds of decisions about how much non-returnable merchandise to order. It was a nightmare.
A lot of true believers got disgusted and stopped collecting. Even worse, a lot of people were drawn to the supposed investment value of the new books and spent ridiculous amount of money on now worthless books. Craigslist is full of people who have thousands of "80's and 90's" books.

I'm not a fan of the X-men/Inhumans direction, but I think Disney owning Marvel is a good thing, if only for the massive resources they have. [/quote]

I remember those days all too well. I was a passionate collector at the time, but for the right reasons...stories, characters, and art. And then came all the variants. An overwhelming number of limited issue releases...special this, special that...but nothing adding to the actual content. One felt some pressure to "drink the Kool-Aid" or be left behind as a collector. My weekly budget doubled and tripled until enough was enough. I lost the passion and sold the majority of my collection for a pittance. What a shame.

It was fun while it lasted though. In Cleveland I shopped at the store where Brian Michael Bendis worked. He was a student at the Cleveland Institute of Art at the time and in love with comics. I believe it was called Super City and was in the Grand Arcade. He would sell his early books there...I believe I still have some somewhere. It was a lot of fun watching the rise of the independent titles and publishers, and seeing Marvel and DC take a backseat to the young upstart companies. It seemed like a revolution in the industry...a new golden age perhaps. Then greed killed it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 11, 2016 02:58PM)
When things are collectable because everyone wants one that is great. Once they try to cater to the secondary market it is not so good. Special a death of Superman covers that today are worthless.

Trying to create collectable market items prior to the market deciding they are collectable is the problem.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 11, 2016 06:41PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, Wizard of Oz wrote:
[quote]On Nov 30, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:
Ron Perelman is the biggest villain imo. He cared nothing about the characters or the lore; he just wanted to exploit the properties. He immediately raised not only the prices but the number of titles as well. The licensing deals he made are still affecting things.

I owned a comic store at the time. I remember how the order form grew from 4-5 pages to 30-40 pages in a matter of months. Then it became a magazine.
I had to make hundreds of decisions about how much non-returnable merchandise to order. It was a nightmare.
A lot of true believers got disgusted and stopped collecting. Even worse, a lot of people were drawn to the supposed investment value of the new books and spent ridiculous amount of money on now worthless books. Craigslist is full of people who have thousands of "80's and 90's" books.

I'm not a fan of the X-men/Inhumans direction, but I think Disney owning Marvel is a good thing, if only for the massive resources they have. [/quote]

I remember those days all too well. I was a passionate collector at the time, but for the right reasons...stories, characters, and art. And then came all the variants. An overwhelming number of limited issue releases...special this, special that...but nothing adding to the actual content. One felt some pressure to "drink the Kool-Aid" or be left behind as a collector. My weekly budget doubled and tripled until enough was enough. I lost the passion and sold the majority of my collection for a pittance. What a shame.

It was fun while it lasted though. In Cleveland I shopped at the store where Brian Michael Bendis worked. He was a student at the Cleveland Institute of Art at the time and in love with comics. I believe it was called Super City and was in the Grand Arcade. He would sell his early books there...I believe I still have some somewhere. It was a lot of fun watching the rise of the independent titles and publishers, and seeing Marvel and DC take a backseat to the young upstart companies. It seemed like a revolution in the industry...a new golden age perhaps. Then greed killed it. [/quote]

It probably hurts as much for you to look at current Ebay and auction prices, as it does for me.

That whole time period felt like a kind of betrayal to me.
I had a rough childhood and comics were an escape for me. I liked the way the dichotomy between good and evil was so clearly defined in them, since it wasn't so clear to me in real life at the time.
One of the reasons I always wanted to open up my own shop was to create a place where people who loved the books as much as I did, could get together and argue over who was stronger - Hulk or Thor?

For a while I had it, but then the ridiculous exploitation began and it just went bad.

The ironic part is that during all of the fervor over the new books; the most profitable part of the business was ALWAYS the back issue market. Given the conditions at the time, I only hoped to break even on the new stuff, with perhaps enough margin to speculate on a few things for the future.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 11, 2016 06:48PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote:
When things are collectable because everyone wants one that is great. Once they try to cater to the secondary market it is not so good. Special a death of Superman covers that today are worthless.

Trying to create collectable market items prior to the market deciding they are collectable is the problem. [/quote]

Exactly.

That's why I loved dealing in the back issue side of things.

I didn't really know it at the time, but it was a perfect example of pure capitalism.
Supply, demand, market price and onto the next transaction.

If the demand isn't real, all you get is a bubble.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 11, 2016 08:53PM)
I wrote a paper in college for a marketing class about the "bigger idiot theory".

It was a simple concept. When Marvel puts out a comic, or Mattel a Barbie doll theres is a work product equation involved. They know all the costs and sell for what is necessary to profit. That makes sense.

The secondary market is a different matter. None of those factors come into play, or at least fewer of them certainly. So if you spend thousands of dollars on something with only perceived value on some level you are an idiot. What you do is hold it until you can find a bigger idiot to buy it from you. So many have even burned so badly as collectibles change like the tides. Beanie Babies, comic books, baseball and sports memorabilia, cars, coins and stamps and hundreds of other secondary markets suffer from this phenomenon.
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Dec 12, 2016 07:20AM)
And "out of print" magic books that get republished.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 13, 2016 09:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, NYCTwister wrote:
Collateral damage is another area where you just have to accept and assume. As a kid I always thought the lengths they went to to show you that "everyone is ok", were ridiculous.
When the Hulk and the Abomination are throwing buses at each other in midtown Manhattan, people are going to get hurt. [/quote]

You certainly speak the truth Twister, Hence the set up for Superman vs. Batman. I guess somebody felt it was time to address that very issue. Also, DC was supposed to come out with a comedy TV show that showed an insurance company working after hero/villain fights. Don't know if it ever did happen. Might have been cute. [/quote]

While it was about a construction company rather than an insurance company, Marvel already mined that vein;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_Control_(comics)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Dec 14, 2016 02:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2016, ed rhodes wrote:
...
While it was about a construction company rather than an insurance company, Marvel already mined that vein;

... [/quote]

Not as a TV show though. (Leaked Pilot video)

[youtube]-dpgng9lvc4[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Dec 15, 2016 12:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
OOOPS! I spoke too soon....

Today, NBC has announced their lineup for the midseason and with it comes the "Powerless" premiere date. The ensemble comedy, set in the world of the DC Universe, will premiere Thursday, February 2 at 8:30 p.m.

In the first comedy series set in the universe of DC Comics, Vanessa Hudgens (Grease Live, High School Musical) plays Emily, a spunky young insurance adjuster specializing in regular-people coverage against damage caused by the crime-fighting superheroes. It’s when she stands up to one of these larger-than-life figures (after an epic battle messes with her commute) that she accidentally becomes a cult “hero” in her own right … even if it’s just to her group of lovably quirky co-workers. Now, while she navigates her normal, everyday life against an explosive backdrop, Emily might just discover that being a hero doesn’t always require superpowers.

The Powerless show cast also includes Alan Tudyk (Firefly, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story), Danny Pudi (Community, Captain America: The Winter Soldier), Ron Funches (Undateable), Kate Micucci (Garfunkel and Oates, Steven Universe) and Christina Kirk (A To Z, Manhattan). [/quote]

Here's the wikipedia entry for the show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerless_(TV_series)

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 16, 2016 06:19PM)
Doesn't that "Powerless" series remind you of that DC magazine "The Inferior Five"? That was published during the 1960s, and I remember one of my classmates had that comic. He was the same classmate who used to buy "Mad" Magazine all the time. I did not care for "The Inferior Five" at all, but I remember him letting me borrow his "Mad" Magazine and still remember my favorite Mad parody was the one about Plastic Man. In the parody, he was called Plastic Sam.

(As an interesting aside, that classmate was the only one besides me who was into Magic at that time. His name was Jay, and he was nice enough to let me borrow his magic book, which I still recall, was written by a Will Dexter. Other than that writer's name, I don't recall the book's title, except two tricks which were producing smoke from a bare hand and I think it was the Chinese Wands where a cord that is strung through both sticks is cut and magically restored. That was during the 1960s, so I don't know if anyone has a copy of that book nowadays.)
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 16, 2016 07:47PM)
How many people actually remember The Inferior Five? I actually owned the comic. I have forgotten how many there were, but it was one of those obscure titles that appealed to me. And let's face it, to a 12, 13 or 14 year old boy, Dumb Bunny was hot!

I believe that was the book where the bad guy tells his henchman, who finally did something right, "I would Kiss you if only you shaved more often." and gets the response, "That is a very good reason not to shave."
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 17, 2016 07:31PM)
Since you enjoyed Dumb Bunny, I'm guessing that you also enjoyed Vampirella, did you, Cliff? I was surprised that Vampirella was created by the late Forest Ackerman who used to edit Famous Monsters magazine. After seeing the film "Queen of Blood," I was wondering if that movie inspired Forry to create Vamp because both of those characters are female-vampires who both come from another planet. Not only that but Forry himself even had a cameo-appearance in that film! Too many coincidences to not wonder if there's a connection.
Vampirella seems to have a cult following because I've seen convention coverage where an actress dressed as Vampirella appears at those cons,and con-goers are charged $50 or even more to just pose with her for a photograph. I wonder whether the same is done for Lady Rawhide or not, because Lady Rawhide is in a similar vein.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 18, 2016 09:13AM)
Oddly I am completely unfamiliar with that character Orville. (Actually I did have a plastic build-it-yourself model of her, but I had no clue who she was)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 23, 2016 05:57PM)
Now that you mention model-kits, Cliff, there is a kit that has tempted me. It's a kit based on the Claude Rains' Invisible Man. Actually, my obsession with that character began ages before I ever saw the movie. It was when I was still a toddler during the 1950s that I had to beg my parents to buy a comic magazine at Kress Store. It was a Classics Illustrated version of the Invisible Man. C-I (Gilberton) was a company which published graphic versions of all the classics such as Hamlet, etc. What caught my eye and made it irresistible as far as wonderment was the cover-painting depicting an invisible man with his hat and goggles floating in mid-air. Being a toddler at that time, I could not really read too much, so I just dwelled on the pictures, which were enough to enthrall me.

I had to wait about two decades later in the 1970s when the Claude Rains' adaptation was shown at a local library. When it rains, it pours, because around the same time, there premiered a television series of Invisible Man starring David McCallum. So it all began with the magazine I got as toddler.

The Invisible Man magazine was neither Marvel or DC, but during the 1970s,Marvel did an adaptation of the Invisible Man too, in their title, Supernatural Thrillers. I, of course, bought that one. How about you, Cliff? Did you ever get those Classics Illustrated? I also remember my parents getting a C-I issue of the classic "War of the Worlds" (the famous Martian invasion), but being just a toddler during the 1950s, it did not have any impact on me -- that is, until I heard the impactful Radio-broadcast of Orson Welles, which, as you know, caused a nation-wide panic.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 23, 2016 11:43PM)
Sorry man, I missed those too. I loved the David McCallum series though. They actually made such a thing scientifically believable. Remember "Gemini Man?" Another Invisible man TV character from the 70's. Neither series lasted very long. Both were fun for different reasons.

I also remember that before Saturday Night Live came along, the thing to do late night on the weekend was watch the 1950's B-movies that were re-run on TV. Most were cheesy as hell, but always cool to talk about at school the next day.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 7, 2017 06:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2016, Cliffg37 wrote:
Sorry man, I missed those too. I loved the David McCallum series though. They actually made such a thing scientifically believable. Remember "Gemini Man?" Another Invisible man TV character from the 70's. Neither series lasted very long. Both were fun for different reasons.

[/quote]
Yes,I used to watch "Gemini Man" too. But to get back to Comics, there were quite a number of invisible heroes. Foremost among them was Thunder Agent Noman. In a sense,Thunder Agents was a concept which combined Superheroes with the tv series Man from Uncle. So besides Noman, there were some other super-agents such as Dynamo and Menthor. Oh,did you hear the announcement that a Thunder Agents movie is slated for 2018,Cliff?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 8, 2017 09:16AM)
I had not heard that Orville, but I will look forward to it.

Spoiler alert.... Albeit a very very old spoiler.

I loved the scene in the Alec Baldwin movie "The Shadow," where the bad guy, realizing he can not see his enemy, breaks open a water pipe and floods the room. Now he knows where Lamont is and shoots him. That was very well done and very believable.

On the subject of invisible superheros, I loved in the Fantastic Four movie when Sue asks Reed how she can see when she is invisible. He says he does not know. I think any invisible superhero should be outfitted with a set of infrared goggles to wear. See by heat patterns rather than light. The shadow would need them though. He was never invisible, he just "Clouded men's minds."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 8, 2017 09:38AM)
Over thinking a comic book super power will result in disappointment.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 8, 2017 08:36PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
I had not heard that Orville, but I will look forward to it.

Spoiler alert.... Albeit a very very old spoiler.

I loved the scene in the Alec Baldwin movie "The Shadow," where the bad guy, realizing he can not see his enemy, breaks open a water pipe and floods the room. Now he knows where Lamont is and shoots him. That was very well done and very believable.

On the subject of invisible superheros, I loved in the Fantastic Four movie when Sue asks Reed how she can see when she is invisible. He says he does not know. I think any invisible superhero should be outfitted with a set of infrared goggles to wear. See by heat patterns rather than light. The shadow would need them though. He was never invisible, he just "Clouded men's minds." [/quote]

That was a radio thing. I'm pretty certain the pulp character didn't do that, he was just "that good." (They did a Detective Comics where The Shadow stopped a robbery at a jewelry store Thomas Wayne is at with his son Bruce. Years later, the robber comes back to the store, now run down, and has to face Batman! With the Shadow in the background. (We also find out that not only doesn't Batman USE a gun, he's actually afraid of them!)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 20, 2017 06:10PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
He was never invisible, he just "Clouded men's minds." [/quote]

The way I see it, Cliff, isn't "clouding men's minds" actually hypnotism?? Even Mandrake used hypnotism sometimes. And I've even heard it theorized that the Hindu Rising Rope was actually hypnotism. Also, Mandrake could use his hypnotism to make his foes see anything,e.g., turning an assailant's gun into a snake. In comparison, the Shadow uses his hypnotism for only invisibility. Isn't that self-limiting?

In Marvel Comics, an entertaining story using hypnotism was when Doctor Strange fought Dracula. It was shown that Dracula's hypnotism far surpasses Stephen's. It was only by using his astral projection to escape his own body that Stephen managed to escape Dracula's irresistible hypnosis. Dr. Strange can hypnotize too, but it's mostly dependent on the amulet's Eye of Agamotto. In fact, the Eye can even act on its own. Once when Stephen lay comatose, and an assassin was going to shoot him, the Eye acted of its own accord to mesmerize the would-be assailant. Anyway,I was wondering, Cliff, what you think about the Shadow's method, especially when compared with the way that Mandrake uses it.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jan 23, 2017 06:31PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
... Sue asks Reed how she can see when she is invisible. He says he does not know. I think any invisible superhero should be outfitted with a set of infrared goggles to wear. See by heat patterns rather than light. The shadow would need them though. He was never invisible, he just "Clouded men's minds." [/quote]

You might like the villains in the comic book Planetary by Warren Ellis. :D And the critters in the book Blindsight by Peter Watts. A. C. Clarke touched upon the notion of invisibility in his book Profiles of the Future - walking around the notion of functional invisibility by way of attention more than a few times along the way. ;)
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jan 24, 2017 01:47PM)
Now that we're early into 2017, I thought I'd recap some of the 2017 Superhero movie release dates that were mentioned in a link a few pages back:

Lego Batman Movie - Feb 10, 2017

Logan - March 3, 2017

Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 - May 5, 2017

Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017

Spider-man: Homecoming - July 7, 2017

Thor: Ragnarok - Nov. 3, 2017

Justice League - Nov. 17, 2017


Which one are you looking forward to the most? Or does one of the upcoming TV series / Netflix series capture your interest more?

- Donald
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jan 24, 2017 02:03PM)
1. JLA
2. Iron Fist
3. Ragnarok
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 24, 2017 02:56PM)
It will be interesting to see Logan as it is Hugh Jackman's last movie.

Guardians absolutely is the one I anticipate most.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jan 24, 2017 04:37PM)
I'm with Danny. I'll rank them as far as interest goes as:

1. Guardians of the Galaxy
2. Logan
3. Wonder Woman
4. Thor
5. Justice League
6. Spider-man
99. Lego Batman Movie
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 24, 2017 08:25PM)
That is also my list in order. Lego Batman seems amusing, but missing it won't make my radar.

For some reason Spider-Man has not captured my interest. Justice League I am holding out hope for. The other four actually have my interest. With Guardians being a long way in first.

As a matter if fact the last movies I personally anticipated this much was the last Guardians, Deadpool and Suicide Squad.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 25, 2017 07:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 20, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:

The way I see it, Cliff, isn't "clouding men's minds" actually hypnotism? Even Mandrake used hypnotism sometimes. And I've even heard it theorized that the Hindu Rising Rope was actually hypnotism. Also, Mandrake could use his hypnotism to make his foes see anything,e.g., turning an assailant's gun into a snake. In comparison, the Shadow uses his hypnotism for only invisibility. Isn't that self-limiting?
Anyway,I was wondering, Cliff, what you think about the Shadow's method, especially when compared with the way that Mandrake uses it. [/quote]

Indeed, Mandrake would use hypnotism as an illusion generator. This makes sense... In Las Vegas, some of the R and X rated Hypnotists get people to do things on stage they would never do in public. This is done via the illusion aspect of hypnosis. ie. You are in your bedroom getting ready for sleep... you begin to take off your clothes...

The Shadow was probably not hypnosis. For one thing it was all or nothing. When he activated his "clouding" power, no one could see him; not friend or foe. I think his power was a training to project a field of some kind that people would see what they expected to see and not him. Stephen King wrote in "Through Dragon's Eyes," that true invisibility was not possible, but there were spells that would make someone not want to look at you, and think you were not there.

The Kind of Hypnosis that Mandrake used is in my opinion far superior to the Shadow's clouding men's minds. But then, the Shadown only fought ordinary human criminals with guns and evil intentions.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jan 25, 2017 08:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:
Now that you mention model-kits, Cliff, there is a kit that has tempted me. It's a kit based on the Claude Rains' Invisible Man. Actually, my obsession with that character began ages before I ever saw the movie. It was when I was still a toddler during the 1950s that I had to beg my parents to buy a comic magazine at Kress Store. It was a Classics Illustrated version of the Invisible Man. C-I (Gilberton) was a company which published graphic versions of all the classics such as Hamlet, etc. What caught my eye and made it irresistible as far as wonderment was the cover-painting depicting an invisible man with his hat and goggles floating in mid-air. Being a toddler at that time, I could not really read too much, so I just dwelled on the pictures, which were enough to enthrall me.[/quote]

Orville, was it Classics Illustrated? https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=396741
I ate those comics up as a kid.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 25, 2017 08:59PM)
Anyone wanting to take a cool tour of memory lane, re-read the 19 pages that are this thread. It goes back to 2014 and covers an amazing amount of ground as the various TV shows and movies came out.
Message: Posted by: terryisaacs (Jan 26, 2017 10:42PM)
1. Justice League
2. Thor
3. WonderWoman
4. Spiderman
5. Logan
6. Lego Batman
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 27, 2017 01:14AM)
Not much lego Batman love here huh?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jan 27, 2017 11:02AM)
I'll likely see them all.

I guess that the ones I'm looking forward to the most are "Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2" and "Spider-man: Homecoming". (BTW, I'm not sure if anyone caught this from the movie trailer and the info on IMDB, but it looks like Iron Man will have a nice role in the Spider-Man movie, which I think will tie the movie nicely into "Captain America: Civil War" and the 2 previous "Avengers" movies, and lead nicely into next year's "Infinity War" movie. I really think that including Ant-Man and Spider-Man into Civil War was a nice touch, and almost gave it the feeling of an Avengers movie, even though it was missing Hulk and Thor.)

Once, I had great hope for the "Justice League" movie, because I grew up loving DC comics. But I wasn't overly impressed with "Man of Steel", "Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice", nor "Suicide Squad". They were just OK. They just went in a direction that I didn't enjoy. The Marvel movies seem a little lighter and more fun than the DC movies. The DC movies were dark, violent, noisy, and confusing. So, I don't have a lot of hope for an impressive Justice League movie. I'm thinking that "Wonder Woman" will likely be the best of the DC movies, so that would be my third choice for a movie to look forward to.

I still am enjoying the DC comics TV shows, and I like certain ones more than others. "The Flash" and "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" are my favourites.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jan 27, 2017 11:28AM)
The poor quality of the DC movies so far is why I'm looking forward to JLA.
Hopefully they'll get it right.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 27, 2017 12:29PM)
Really Donald? Batman is a very dark charecter. Even Wolverine, who by any standard is one of the darker hero's is not even closer. Deadpool is campy by comparison to the Dark Knight. DC in general is a far darker feel than Marvel.

No the movies are not as good. But dark and violent is who they are.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 28, 2017 05:33AM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:
Now that you mention model-kits, Cliff, there is a kit that has tempted me. It's a kit based on the Claude Rains' Invisible Man. Actually, my obsession with that character began ages before I ever saw the movie. It was when I was still a toddler during the 1950s that I had to beg my parents to buy a comic magazine at Kress Store. It was a Classics Illustrated version of the Invisible Man. C-I (Gilberton) was a company which published graphic versions of all the classics such as Hamlet, etc. What caught my eye and made it irresistible as far as wonderment was the cover-painting depicting an invisible man with his hat and goggles floating in mid-air. Being a toddler at that time, I could not really read too much, so I just dwelled on the pictures, which were enough to enthrall me.

I had to wait about two decades later in the 1970s when the Claude Rains' adaptation was shown at a local library. When it rains, it pours, because around the same time, there premiered a television series of Invisible Man starring David McCallum. So it all began with the magazine I got as toddler.

The Invisible Man magazine was neither Marvel or DC, but during the 1970s,Marvel did an adaptation of the Invisible Man too, in their title, Supernatural Thrillers. I, of course, bought that one. How about you, Cliff? Did you ever get those Classics Illustrated? I also remember my parents getting a C-I issue of the classic "War of the Worlds" (the famous Martian invasion), but being just a toddler during the 1950s, it did not have any impact on me -- that is, until I heard the impactful Radio-broadcast of Orson Welles, which, as you know, caused a nation-wide panic. [/quote]

I had quite a few of the Aurora model kits back in the 60s. But NOT "The Invisible Man." Kong, Frankenstein's Monster, Dracula, Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde.

When I was going to be an actor. One of the first jobs I had was a four one-act compilation based on the old horror movies. Frankenstein, Dracula, Phantom of the Opera and Hunchback of Notre Dame. While browsing J.C. Penny's (yes, this was THAT long ago) I found those four model kits for sale. Grabbed them, put them together and brought them to the theatre. (Slight digression, the models came with "glow in the dark" pieces for the face and hands, while on the subway, we hit a "dead zone" and all the lights went out, when they came back on, everyone was staring at me because I'd packed the finished models in an open box and all anyone saw was a guy sitting on the train with a box that GLOWED! The "glowing" also surprised our director who was backstage during a blackout and suddenly saw all the models glowing! Good times.) When the play closed after a couple of weeks, we gave the models to each of the actors that had played the monsters. I would love to find those again, but I'm told the company that owned the molds lost them in a fire!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 28, 2017 06:05PM)
[quote]On Jan 28, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Dec 23, 2016, Orville Smith wrote:
Now that you mention model-kits, Cliff, there is a kit that has tempted me. It's a kit based on the Claude Rains' Invisible Man. Actually, my obsession with that character began ages before I ever saw the movie. It was when I was still a toddler during the 1950s that I had to beg my parents to buy a comic magazine at Kress Store. It was a Classics Illustrated version of the Invisible Man. C-I (Gilberton) was a company which published graphic versions of all the classics such as Hamlet, etc. What caught my eye and made it irresistible as far as wonderment was the cover-painting depicting an invisible man with his hat and goggles floating in mid-air. Being a toddler at that time, I could not really read too much, so I just dwelled on the pictures, which were enough to enthrall me.

I had to wait about two decades later in the 1970s when the Claude Rains' adaptation was shown at a local library. When it rains, it pours, because around the same time, there premiered a television series of Invisible Man starring David McCallum. So it all began with the magazine I got as toddler.

The Invisible Man magazine was neither Marvel or DC, but during the 1970s,Marvel did an adaptation of the Invisible Man too, in their title, Supernatural Thrillers. I, of course, bought that one. How about you, Cliff? Did you ever get those Classics Illustrated? I also remember my parents getting a C-I issue of the classic "War of the Worlds" (the famous Martian invasion), but being just a toddler during the 1950s, it did not have any impact on me -- that is, until I heard the impactful Radio-broadcast of Orson Welles, which, as you know, caused a nation-wide panic. [/quote]

I had quite a few of the Aurora model kits back in the 60s. But NOT "The Invisible Man." Kong, Frankenstein's Monster, Dracula, Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde.

When I was going to be an actor. One of the first jobs I had was a four one-act compilation based on the old horror movies. Frankenstein, Dracula, Phantom of the Opera and Hunchback of Notre Dame. While browsing J.C. Penny's (yes, this was THAT long ago) I found those four model kits for sale. Grabbed them, put them together and brought them to the theatre. (Slight digression, the models came with "glow in the dark" pieces for the face and hands, while on the subway, we hit a "dead zone" and all the lights went out, when they came back on, everyone was staring at me because I'd packed the finished models in an open box and all anyone saw was a guy sitting on the train with a box that GLOWED! The "glowing" also surprised our director who was backstage during a blackout and suddenly saw all the models glowing! Good times.) When the play closed after a couple of weeks, we gave the models to each of the actors that had played the monsters. I would love to find those again, but I'm told the company that owned the molds lost them in a fire! [/quote]

Actually,model-kits of Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and the Mummy were re-issued about 10 years ago again. I did not get those but I recently purchased a high-quality figure of the Boris Karloff Mummy. Not a toy but a high-end collectible. The Mummy is my favorite monster because it involves Reincarnation. That's why to me, Imhotep's death at the film's finale is not tragic or fatalistic at all, because it was shown throughout the movie that Imhotep had already reincarnated several times. Presumably he will reincarnate again to hopefully succeed at getting reunited with the princess. It's the proverb "If at first you don't succeed, then try, try again" taken to a whole new level!
By the way,Ed, I enjoyed reading your nostalgic remembrance, as much as I enjoyed reading your comicon report many moons again. At least I think that was you, Ed, correct me if I'm wrong.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jan 29, 2017 09:17AM)
I think that was me. I was going to RI Comiccon. I go to that one because, living in Providence, I don't need travel expenses or a hotel room.

I'll try to include pictures next (later [I]this[I]?) year.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jan 30, 2017 08:33PM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2017, Donald Dunphy wrote:
... Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 - May 5, 2017
... [/quote]

I'm hoping this is a fun movie.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 8, 2017 10:22AM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
1. JLA
2. Iron Fist
3. Ragnarok [/quote]

Here's the Iron Fist Trailer for you:

[youtube]f9OKL5no-S0[/youtube]

- Donald
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 8, 2017 12:59PM)
Thanks, Donald.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle the dragon brand transfer.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 9, 2017 03:09PM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
[quote]On Jan 20, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:

The way I see it, Cliff, isn't "clouding men's minds" actually hypnotism? Even Mandrake used hypnotism sometimes. And I've even heard it theorized that the Hindu Rising Rope was actually hypnotism. Also, Mandrake could use his hypnotism to make his foes see anything,e.g., turning an assailant's gun into a snake. In comparison, the Shadow uses his hypnotism for only invisibility. Isn't that self-limiting?
Anyway,I was wondering, Cliff, what you think about the Shadow's method, especially when compared with the way that Mandrake uses it. [/quote]

Indeed, Mandrake would use hypnotism as an illusion generator. This makes sense... In Las Vegas, some of the R and X rated Hypnotists get people to do things on stage they would never do in public. This is done via the illusion aspect of hypnosis. ie. You are in your bedroom getting ready for sleep... you begin to take off your clothes...

The Shadow was probably not hypnosis. For one thing it was all or nothing. When he activated his "clouding" power, no one could see him; not friend or foe. I think his power was a training to project a field of some kind that people would see what they expected to see and not him. Stephen King wrote in "Through Dragon's Eyes," that true invisibility was not possible, but there were spells that would make someone not want to look at you, and think you were not there.

The Kind of Hypnosis that Mandrake used is in my opinion far superior to the Shadow's clouding men's minds. But then, the Shadown only fought ordinary human criminals with guns and evil intentions. [/quote]

Douglas Adams referred to it as a "Somebody Else's Problem" field. It's not invisablity, but when you look at something, your mind says; "That's someone else's problem." and you dismiss it without action.
Message: Posted by: erikdobell (Feb 9, 2017 06:39PM)
Cancel the entire thing, wait three years and reboot with new people.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Feb 10, 2017 10:47PM)
If you're a Marvel fan, this should get you excited.

[youtube]sAOzrChqmd0[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 12, 2017 12:42PM)
Even though I wasn't intending to, I saw the Batman Lego movie.

Glad I did. It's hard to do satire well and they pulled it off. Very funny.

Nuff said.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 12, 2017 03:00PM)
How can DC catch up with Marvel? Very easily, but they won't do it.... not really.

The answer is summed up in one word. Continuity. DC could easily use their lead in the TV show arena to start building up as Marvel did with the early movies.

Marvel is a master of it, though it is going to trip them up if someone is paying attention.

Over at DC Jonathan Kent has been a veteran of many wars. It keeps getting adjusted with the timeline. Originally a vet of The Big War, it soon became WWII and Korea, and Vietnam. I imagine not long from now He will have fought in the gulf war. Well that is fine and dandy, filed away under who cares, but watch where that won't work for Marvel....

Captain America had his origin and fought in world war two. Cap Gets Frozen. Nick Fury tell him he as been asleep 75 years. OK fine. The years may change, but the concept still works, but....
Cap's origin includes Tony Stark's father Howard. While Howard I suppose could have fathered a son at age 60, long after the war, it doesn't really work so good.

Comic books need to happen outside of time, and as humans we cannot.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 13, 2017 10:31PM)
Has anyone in these pages mentioned the DC Comics REBIRTH?

I am curious as to what DC fans think of it?

They have been down a strange creative hole in my mind for a long time and The New 52 didn't help AT ALL!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 18, 2017 02:10PM)
To answer Dan, I have 12 issues of the Rebirth but only for the Flash. Of what I have, it was alright although I don't feel enthusiasm for the Extra-dimensional speed force whose concept was expanded on in this Rebirth. The concept has become too convoluted. Not only that but it went Overboard by having an extra-dimensional Storm through which the speed force leaked out to affect many civilians in the city, endowing them all with super speed!
As an aside, it reminds me of an ATOM story from the 1960s, namely, "The 1,000 Atoms of Ivy Town." Much as I hate to say it, I prefer the ATOM story rather than the Flash.
In all fairness to the Flash, though, it had a twist in that one of the residents endowed with super-speed became evil, making the story somewhat different from the Atom.
Don't get me wrong--the Extra-dimensional speed force is not a bad idea at all. It's just that it's so convoluted, affecting different speedsters such as Max Mercury and Impulse and John Fox and in different ways that it takes so much homework to make heads or tails of it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 19, 2017 08:36AM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Even though I wasn't intending to, I saw the Batman Lego movie.

Glad I did. It's hard to do satire well and they pulled it off. Very funny.

Nuff said. [/quote]

I went to see it based on this. I am a huge satire fan. I never saw any Lego movies.

This movie captured me from the first word. No kidding.

If you enjoy satire and know a bit about Batman mythos this movie is for you.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 23, 2017 11:41AM)
I thought the Lego Batman movie was fun.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 25, 2017 03:33PM)
The Lego Batman has been called a satire. But instead I think it's more of a parody. Because a satire is actually the use of sarcasm to criticize or attack something. Whereas a parody is a humorous imitation which is what I get from the movie.
Along those lines, a classic example of a parody is PLASTIC MAN. Even from the beginning in its original form, Plastic Man was already a parody, specifically a Self-parody. So I think it was redundant and unnecessary when MAD Magazine did a parody of Plastic Man. After all, how do you make a parody out of a parody?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 25, 2017 05:23PM)
Yep, parody.

My bad.

Still a blast.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Feb 25, 2017 05:35PM)
Thanks but the intent is sometimes difficult to determine, ain't it?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 3, 2017 12:55AM)
Http://nypost.com/2017/03/02/post-wolverine-are-superhero-movies-dead/

?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 3, 2017 08:29AM)
I think it will be interesting to see the charecters re imagined.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 5, 2017 05:39PM)
At first, I felt hesitant about reviewing the Logan movie because I Dislike the Wolverine character and felt that my bias would unduly affect my review. Despite that bias,I went to see the film due to the many rave reviews. Sometimes a review can be highly persuasive, and in this case it was.
In watching the movie,I made an effort to stay Impartial and that made me empathize with the way the characterization was developed. To my dismay,though,the film emphasized the very element that leaves me cold, I.e., Logan's ruthlessness and bloodthirstiness. Not my cup of tea at all. But I let it slide and took in the movie as a whole,and in all,I can at least understand the appeal of the character. So whether you love or hate Logan, I recommend the movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 5, 2017 07:01PM)
I really enjoyed it. I really liked the Deadpool and Guardians trailers.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 6, 2017 10:47AM)
I watched "Logan" on the weekend, and thought it was a good story. I enjoyed it.

The movie is rated "R" for violence and language. Not a movie for parents to take kids to, like the MCU movies. More intense than other Wolverine or X-Men movies.

I saw this video that discusses the movie, and offers opinions on what we might expect in the way of future X-Men movies (20th Century Fox properties). Obviously, it contains spoilers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCGFF1Ct678

Naturally, there are many of these review / commentary / explanation / Easter egg videos. This is just one of them.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 7, 2017 06:10PM)
Also,"Logan" went beyond the expectation of $80million by making $85million.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 11, 2017 03:17PM)
With the premiere of the movie King Kong it's only apropos to recognize its presence in the comics. The one that comes immediately to mind was Marvel's tribute to Kong when they had an alien ape called Gorr who fought the Fantastic Four. Gorr was normal size at first but was transformed into gigantic a la King Kong. As well done as those issues were, I still prefer the gorillas from DC.
In other words,the Kong premiere presents the opportunity to pay tribute to DC's decade of the 60s when there was such a tremendous plethora of Ape stories, so many that I can only narrow down to favorites. First to come to mind is Super-Gorilla Grodd because he was the foe of my favorite superhero at that time, the Flash. But one thing that left me hanging was when Grodd transferred his mind into the body of a human named Dawson. In Dawson's body, Grodd committed crimes, and it was also in Dawson's body that he got captured and put into prison. What left me hanging as a cop-out was that when Dawson completed his prison sentence, his body changed into Grodd's body. Nothing was explained at all as to whatever happened to Dawson's mind which disappointed me as a cop-out.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 11, 2017 03:24PM)
I have been a giant monster movie fan for a long time. This version of Kong I really like. I am not saying it is a great movie, I am saying it is a good Kong movie.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 18, 2017 02:51AM)
Just watched Iron Fist... :no:
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 18, 2017 08:19PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Just watched Iron Fist... :no: [/quote]

Jeez, that bad, huh? In comparison, I guess the gold standard would still be Kato.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 18, 2017 08:27PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Mar 18, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Just watched Iron Fist... :no: [/quote]

Jeez, that bad, huh? In comparison, I guess the gold standard would still be Kato. [/quote]

Kept waiting for it to get better, never did.

YMMV.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 19, 2017 12:49AM)
I will not really watch it as I have never been a fan of the character in the first place.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 20, 2017 11:18AM)
I have never read an Iron Fist comic book. I was in middle school when Bruce Lee opened up the martial arts film genre in this country, and I was also just starting to get into to comic books too. You'd think I would be a natural for that book, but somehow not.

Anyway I watched the first two episodes so far.

I liked them.

We've seen the "Hero comes back after long absence" bit before. This is so far well done. It has been made believable. It is not so easy to convince people of who you are after a long time away. I don't want to put out any spoilers, but where he goes at the end of episode one just made sense to me.

I am looking forward to the rest, with the understanding that his iron fist power is going to be used sparingly; probably as it should be. This, like Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones, will be more about human condition and interaction on the street level, then about super heroics.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 25, 2017 11:33AM)
Trailer #1 for "Justice League" is now out:

[youtube]3cxixDgHUYw[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 25, 2017 11:38AM)
I am fairly unimpressed with that.

Again I have a serious issue with Bruce Wayne giving away his secret identify to The Flash first club off the tee.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 26, 2017 01:22PM)
Popular comic book artist Bernie Wrightson has passed away. He was mostly known for co-creating DC's Swamp Thing. As most of you know, Swamp Thing has starred in two feature films. Equally as admirable was his 1983 adaptation of Frankenstein for Marvel Comics.
Rest in peace, Mr. Wrightson (1948-2017)
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 26, 2017 05:00PM)
Ever see the single splash page that Bernie did of Superman? Made him look rugged, tougher and scary as hell. Loved the original run of Swamp Thing too. Rest in Peace Bernie.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 26, 2017 10:56PM)
I didn't know that he'd passed. Thanks Orville.

One my most cherished memories of collecting was when I completed my run of his Swamp Thing. I didn't really collect DC, but I had to have them.

He, along with Adams, Starlin, and others really took what was possible with the art form to a new level.

I remember that Superman pin up Cliff; as well as his Hulk vs. Superman. His Frankenstein was Goth before Goth was a thing. His level of detail was amazing.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Mar 26, 2017 11:10PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
I have never read an Iron Fist comic book. I was in middle school when Bruce Lee opened up the martial arts film genre in this country, and I was also just starting to get into to comic books too. You'd think I would be a natural for that book, but somehow not.

Anyway I watched the first two episodes so far.

I liked them.

We've seen the "Hero comes back after long absence" bit before. This is so far well done. It has been made believable. It is not so easy to convince people of who you are after a long time away. I don't want to put out any spoilers, but where he goes at the end of episode one just made sense to me.

I am looking forward to the rest, with the understanding that his iron fist power is going to be used sparingly; probably as it should be. This, like Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones, will be more about human condition and interaction on the street level, then about super heroics. [/quote]

I guess my problem with it was that I just don't buy Finn as Danny. That's just me.

I understand the tone that Netflix is taking and I've liked it so far, but this didn't get there for me.

The fight choreography was what really disappointed me.
Iron Fist vs. random thug should last maybe a second. At the end of the day it's a superhero show, and he's supposed to possess a Bruce Lee on meth level of skill.

It's just a personal preference thing really.

I'll still binge watch season 2 though. :)
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 28, 2017 10:31AM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2016, Donald Dunphy wrote:
The first official trailer for "Spider-Man: Homecoming" aired on Jimmy Kimmel last night. Here's the video from their official Youtube page:

[youtube]xrzXIaTt99U[/youtube]

- Donald [/quote]

Back in December, I shared Trailer #1 for "Spider-Man:Homecoming".

Trailer #2 was just released this morning.

[youtube]39udgGPyYMg[/youtube]

For those who weren't aware, this is the first Spider-Man movie that is an official part of the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Of course, the character first made a MCU appearance in "Captain America: Civil War", last year. And he'll be returning as a part of "Avengers: Infinity War" next year.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 2, 2017 09:15AM)
Well, I just finished Iron Fist. I liked it. I can see why some people did not though. There were some awkward pacing issues. There were some character inconsistencies, and surely some lose threads left hanging. Still, overall I thought it was enjoyable and quality work.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 9, 2017 04:57PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Well, I just finished Iron Fist. I liked it. I can see why some people did not though. There were some awkward pacing issues. There were some character inconsistencies, and surely some lose threads left hanging. Still, overall I thought it was enjoyable and quality work. [/quote]
The most recent time I saw Iron Fist was when I bought the Dr.Strange compilation at Barnes & Noble a few months ago. In that book, Iron Fist was one of several patients in a hospital that is reserved for just superheroes. Doctor Strange was there too because he was seriously wounded, during which time he used his Astral-projection to guide the nurse. Come to think of it, the same idea was used in the recent movie, remember? Since the book I bought was a reprint of old issues, I wonder whether the movie borrowed that idea or not, and then rearranged it for a different situation.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 9, 2017 05:23PM)
OK it may not belong here but I went to see Power Rangers. Not bad.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 10, 2017 02:01PM)
The Teaser Trailer for "Thor: Ragnarok" was released today.

[youtube]v7MGUNV8MxU[/youtube]

More about the movie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor:_Ragnarok

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 16, 2017 04:04PM)
Although I already posted about Bernie Wrightson's recent obituary, I was surprised to see just the other day on Amc-TVchannel's Zombie series paying respects to him with a eulogy. Surprised to see a comic book artist get eulogized on a TV show.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 16, 2017 07:41PM)
I tell you the thing I used to enjoy about Marvel was the irreverence they had toward themselves. I mean if you could a mistake they sent you a "No Prize". Simply an envelope that had a card in it that read ? “Congratulations! This envelope contains a genuine Marvel Comics No-Prize, which you have just won!”

There was NOTHING in the envelope, just that printed on it. HILARIOUS!

They actually held the copyright on "Zombie" which is crazy. At one point they printed an actual letter of resignation from artist Dave Cockrum in Iron Man 127. They simply switched the word "Marvel" and slipped in the word "Avengers". It was a letter of resignation from Jarvis to Stark after Tony was drunk and verbally abusive. It was HILARIOUS! How that sort of "production error" could happen is just beyond belief. It had to be intentional.

I bet this stuff happened at DC as well, I just am not familiar with the stories.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 17, 2017 04:26PM)
Here is a shocker, DC's Black Lightning is coming to TV.

Tony Isabella created Black lightning in the 70's where he was a fascinating and complex character who played at being a one-dimensional street thug fighting drug dealers.

I hope they make Tony proud.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 17, 2017 04:37PM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2017, Donald Dunphy wrote:
The Teaser Trailer for "Thor: Ragnarok" was released today.

[youtube]v7MGUNV8MxU[/youtube]

More about the movie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor:_Ragnarok

- Donald [/quote]

I was kinda annoyed when I'd seen the photo and noticed they'd;

Cut the hair

Lost the hammer

And changed the costume

Then I saw the trailer and his reaction to meeting the Hulk and realized, it's still Thor.


He'd better get his hammer back though!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 18, 2017 08:00PM)
As soon as I heard about the Facebook-Killer Steve Stephens, it reminded me of the DC-villain the Joker and why I don't like him at all. It all began when I bought the issue "Joker's Five-way Revenge" and the way in which his first murder-victim is found--that is, the dead man's corpse has a grin.
The Joker is much too evil so the defense on the basis of insanity should not be allowed to exonerate him.

Later on, there was Alan Moore's "Killing Joke" which painted a sympathetic picture of the Joker, that a succession of traumatic experiences made his mind snap. Come on, ptsd--I don't accept that at all.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 19, 2017 09:16AM)
Hmmm, we could argue for hours about the motivations of the Joker.
The issue is of course, compounded by different writers handling him in different ways. You cannot really compare the Joker of 5 way revenge to the Joker of Killing Joke to Caesar Romero's clownish Joker.

If you are saying he is too evil for PTSD, you may be right.

I could see it, and somewhat reconcile the three examples above by saying his mind snapped in the trauma, and as he struggled to make sense of the shock he could not deal with, he became more and more jaded with the world and developed more of his "oh screw it" attitude along with "I'll just do what's fun for me."

The killing joke does no go into details of his childhood. My guess he was raised with violence being the solution to most problems. Maybe lost a Dad in the war? Maybe raised similar to Rorschach from Watchmen? He would have tried to make a go of it as a normal citizen, then fate hands him a load he just cannot bear.

Could someone like Charles Manson have become a true to life Joker like character had he not been incarcerated?

I'd be curious to see what other people think of his motivations. These are just my off the top of my head ideas.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 19, 2017 10:03AM)
He has none. He doesn't need them. He is evil.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 19, 2017 05:07PM)
To me he has always been like this petri dish of congenital psychoses, kept tightly under wraps until his bath; which is the origin story I go by.

Socio/Psychopath, narcissist, anti-social - whatever you can think of just chuck it in.

ADHD? Sure, why not.

PTSD? Definitely; but does what he went through justify what he does?
No freaking way.

A man without the need for any morality.

I'm kind of in the camp of those who think the first origin story, no matter how ridiculous, is what the characters lore should stem from, and be built upon.

Having said that, I really like the way Gotham is handling the characters pre Batman. Especially Jerome.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 23, 2017 01:36PM)
While the Joker's insanity is open to debate, I, on the other hand, believe another villain,namely, Two-Face is exonerated due to insanity. After all, his behavior is totally dictated by a flip of a Coin. If it lands on the scar side, he commits a felony. If it lands on the Unscarred side, he donates to charity. Once when Two-Face captured Batman, TF's gang wanted to obviously kill the Caped Crusader. But then Two-Face flipped his Coin which landed on the Unscarred side, so he let Batman go scot-free. So Two-Face belongs in an asylum instead of prison. He is definitely insane,let's face it (no pun intended).
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 25, 2017 10:59AM)
Not too long ago, Fox announced their upcoming 2018 X-Men movies (X-Men, Logan/Wolverine, Deadpool are all licensed to Fox). I recently was reading some online articles about the topic, because I had re-watched my DVD of "X-Men: Apocalypse".

"New Mutants" is scheduled for release in April 2018.

"Deadpool 2" is scheduled for release in June 2018.

"Dark Phoenix" is scheduled for release in November 2018.

One source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(film_series)#Upcoming_films

It's my understanding that Dark Pheonix is the next in the series following "X-Men: First Class", "X-Men: Days of Future Past", and "X-Men: Apocalypse". I think I read somewhere that this series of movies was being set in different decades. First Class was in the 60s, Days of Future Past was in the 70s, and Apocalypse was in the 80s. And that the intention was to make the next one (Dark Phoenix) set in the 90s.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 29, 2017 11:30AM)
Any guesses who Savatar is inside the armor?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 30, 2017 08:34PM)
[quote]On Apr 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
He has none. He doesn't need them. He is evil. [/quote]

They did a story where one of the Joker's doctors found a paper proving the Joker was sane, the "insanity" bit was a new way of hiding his identity similar to the Red Hood. However, it turns out the Joker himself got the paper into the doctor's hands because the author turned out to be Dr. Harlan Qinzell who herself would go crazy and become Harley Quinn. This invalidates the paper's authenticity, which Joker knew full well.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 30, 2017 09:52PM)
The funny part to me is that while people try to debate this stuff it has origins in regulation.

What I mean is a lot of the evolution and changes in ol Jokey come from regulations about content. Much of what happened to him through the late 50's 60's and early 70's was due to the powers that be requiring less violence in comics in general. As those regulations relaxed we saw much more of the old killer clown.

It is a fascinating study not so much of the character, but of the society that regulated it. To debate the Joker independent of this is silly.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 7, 2017 02:45AM)
What ever happened to that report that Ed said he would do on the Comicon? He even said he would include pictures of the event. It's over two months past, so I guess he could not make it. Maybe he was too busy to attend. Oh well, maybe next time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 7, 2017 09:37AM)
I went to see the second Guardians.

I was fully prepared to hate baby Groot. I did not.

Movie was great in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (May 9, 2017 07:17AM)
Yep, it was a romp.

Baby Groot was the most requested balloon sculpture this weekend - by the girls.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 9, 2017 10:45PM)
I'd love you to post a picture of a Baby Groot balloon sculpture.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 12, 2017 08:09PM)
Always delightful to see balloon sculptures keep up with the latest films. So I second the motion made by Rockwall. So far, I've seen sculptures of Batman and Wolverine but none of the elastic Reed Richards. You would think that Reed Richards would be a "natural" for a balloon sculpture as you could show his neck stretching.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (May 13, 2017 03:32AM)
I tried to upload a pic but it appears it was too large. Anyone who wants to see one send me a PM with an email and I'll send one.
I'm doing a big display piece of Groot and Rocket for an absolute GOTG fanatic at the end of the month, and I'll send that one to anyone who wants to see it.
I love technology but my level of ability is sorely lacking.

You have to keep up with pop culture. When Frozen came out no girl wanted anything other that Elsa, Olaf or Ana. It was coming out of my freaking ears.

Surprisingly Reed Richards isn't as much of a natural as you'd think. I've never been asked to make him but I'm sure I could. However, once the balloons are inflated they don't stretch very much. Thinking about it, I could make one where his neck stretches somewhat but it wouldn't be very impressive and kids would be pulling his head off in a heartbeat.
Then would come the crying, and that's never fun.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (May 13, 2017 03:50AM)
Anyone excited by the Wonder Woman movie next month? I'll see it but frankly the trailers have underwhelmed me.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 13, 2017 06:54PM)
The entire way DC has gone about this has underwhelmed me.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (May 13, 2017 07:54PM)
Agreed.

You'd think that a company that makes comic books should be able to figure out what people want in a superhero movie.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 15, 2017 08:01AM)
DC comics changed since Julius Schwartz and Neal Adams changed the look of Superman and Batman. Then Jack Kirby upped the game for Jimmy Olson and introduced high-tech new gods and deep magic with Jason Blood. Since then Alan Moore and Frank Miler changed the game around 1987, and the company has merged with AOL and Time Warner.

A comic book is not a video game. Kindly also notice how poorly Green Lantern, Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentleman translated into movies. Sandman? Fables? Adam Strange... can you imagine the horror they'd produce from Neil Gaimans Books of Magic miniseries?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 15, 2017 12:58PM)
LXG wasn't bad at all.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 15, 2017 06:48PM)
A new trailer recently was released for "The Gifted", which is supposed to come to FOX TV in Fall 2017. Related to the X-Men Film Universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gifted_(TV_series)

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-may-the-1494822971-htmlstory.html

http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/09/fox-marvel-gifted-series/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gifted_(TV_series)#Shared_universe_connections

[youtube]qTzW9rMcbzk[/youtube]

- Donald

P.S. It's also been announced that "Inhumans" is coming to ABC TV in the Fall, but no trailer for that one yet. Part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans_(TV_series)
Message: Posted by: VolunteerMagic (May 18, 2017 01:57AM)
The great disparity between Marvel and DC is that Marvel has been slowly building their universe for a VERY LONG TIME. Meanwhile, DC has been doing movies onesy-twosy with no connection whatsoever until recently. So they are desperately trying to play catch up.

Another factor is that, and I think that because Marvel has been going on for so long, Marvel has a pretty good idea of how much leeway and freedom everyone involved needs to make a fantastic product.

DC, especially Warner Brothers, has seen a MASSIVE problem of stepping on each others toes. Look at Suicide Squad. There was a lot of back and forth between the director and the studio. One example being the director being micromanaged by the studio and having to re-shoot scenes well after wrap-up. And then the whole thing of where the Joker was BARELY in the movie, despite the entire ad campaign being built that he was the main villain and a lot of hype around how it'd be as different and good as Leger's performance.

DC is playing catch up REALLY HARD with the Justice League film. I don't think it'll be 'Avengers' good because we haven't had much time to get to know all these powerful protagonists (at least through film methods. I haven't seen the DC shows). My biggest worry is if they use The Flash's ability to travel time as a plot-crutch and we're left feeling deja vu from when Heroes beat itself to death with said crutch.

I want to see DC do well in the film market. There's a lot of interesting characters that I'd like to see make it to the big screen. If the studios would let the directors do their magic, I think DC films would be so much better.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 18, 2017 02:36AM)
DC has some AMAZING charecters! But I was never a bug Guardians fan. The movies still rocked. Which sort of proves let the people do their jobs as you say.

BUT I can see them not wanting Spiderman shooting webs like the first round of movies. They don't want to give up too much control either.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 18, 2017 10:18AM)
DC could produce movies based on the Kirby Fourth World series. CGI looks up to that task.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 18, 2017 12:51PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Here is a shocker, DC's Black Lightning is coming to TV.

Tony Isabella created Black lightning in the 70's where he was a fascinating and complex character who played at being a one-dimensional street thug fighting drug dealers.

I hope they make Tony proud. [/quote]

Here's the trailer, just out today.

[youtube]RZpJeuXo2CY[/youtube]

Apparently, even though it will be on the CW (Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow) and Greg Berlanti helped to create and develop it (referring to the TV series), and it's a DC character, it won't be a part of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowverse]Arrowverse.[/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lightning_%28TV_series%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lightning

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 21, 2017 02:37PM)
When Donald mentioned the Inhumans, it dawned on me about one of its characters. Because we usually think of Marvel "stealing" from DC such as Quicksilver "stolen" from The Flash, etc. But your mention about the Inhumans rang a bell of one instance where DC "stole" from Marvel. That is, the Inhuman named Medusa who can animate her long hair. Much later came DC with Lady Godiva, same super power. At the same time, it made me recall the song by the same name, sung by Peter and Gordon. I even used to have that album. You other Baby Boomers should remember that golden oldie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 25, 2017 06:46PM)
So I FINALLY finished the second season of the man in the comic universe with the best initials.

As it was winding up, I was worried about the end. I was preparing to be a bit disappointed but nope. For those who are reading who have NOT seen it stop reading now. But I was worried about a Punisher free ending. But they brought it home well.

I liked it a lot actually.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 25, 2017 09:18PM)
"Justice
like lightning
should ever appear
to some men as hope
to others as fear."

- Tony Isabella
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 28, 2017 02:44PM)
What many don't know is that the alien Groot first appeared in an anthology story from Tales to Astonish #13 way back in November 1960, meant as a one-shot story. He was also an Evil-invader and it was never explained how he became a hero in the Guardians group. So that neglect is certainly a big disappointment.

Along somewhat similar lines is the DC Comics alien from Saturn, The Faceless alien, an alien who was faceless--literally! He had appeared in an anthology but was later resurrected as a villain. In this case, the alien was originally a villain already so his resurrection as a villain was no discrepancy at all--contrasted with the glaring discrepancy with Marvel's Groot.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 28, 2017 02:55PM)
I don't mind those discrepancies. None of the stories are chronological. Usually when they try to explain them they actually make it worse than not knowing.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 29, 2017 06:55PM)
Comics are epileptic in more ways than one.
comical (adj.) Look up comical at Dictionary.com
early 15c., "comic," from comic (or Latin comicus) + -al (1). Meaning "funny" is from 1680s. Earlier Middle English had an identical word meaning "epileptic," from Latin morbus comitialis "epilepsy."
They are normally about some epileptic event I think.
There is a strange comic book here called epileptic about a kid who has epilepsy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKoACfyE8r8
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (May 29, 2017 08:58PM)
[quote]On May 15, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
LXG wasn't bad at all. [/quote]

I didn't finish LXG, but I read and watched both versions of "The Watchmen" and didn't hate the movie.

I felt the changes that were made actually made the story flow better from a cinematic point of view.

Mind you, this isn't what I want from ALL superhero movies. One is quite enough.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 30, 2017 12:16AM)
You sir are correct. Many cinematic adventures must out of necessity be altered. Origins in a box happen quite often. Also they are not necessarily targeted at fans so the change go quite unnoticed.

A fine line to walk to be certain
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 30, 2017 12:08PM)
Going back to the topic at hand. Marvel has of course gone to great lengths to craft the "Marvel Cinematic Universe." DC now seems to be trying that by bring Wonder Woman into the Superman vs Batman film, and then building that into the Justice League. Of course DC is claiming they are leading with their "Big 3" Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. DC should not call Wonder Woman part of the big three. Wonder Woman has always been one of the lowest selling books DC has. he only reason the book has been published consistently since 1940 or when ever it was is due to contractual ownership right obligations.

I am hopeful for the movie next week. I think Gal did a fine job in SvB. I hope she will be as good as a stand alone.

I am just afraid that DC is trying to rush what Marvel has spent years building, and as such it may not succeed. Personally I hope it does.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 30, 2017 12:26PM)
I am hopeful but doubtful. The problem with W squared is she is another omnipotent type and that is tough to write for.

It is the problem with Sups. (Marvel has that problem with Hulk and Thor.) Once a character is so powerful it makes it tough to write anything to rattle them.

I remember Stan Lee doing a comic signing at the shop I worked at in the early 90's. I was talking to him about this problem. He said it is a great reason to make people flawed like teenagers, drunks, ego maniacs, or any number of things to be their weakness. It makes it so much easier to write interesting stories for them in his view.

Is he correct? Don't know. But I do enjoy the flawed charecters far more myself. In DC Batman, Green Arrow, and the more human flawed are always more relatable to me.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 30, 2017 03:09PM)
Good point Danny.

I loved it when Marvel (80's I think) rated their heroes for Strength. Captain America was 1. Spider-man was 5 and the Hulk, when Banner first changed was 75. Thor was rated at 100. This was a measure of tons of lifting strength that the heroes had. That made it easy to think about what a hero could do, and could not. Today it seems like Spider-man is rated strong enough to take on the Hulk. That should not be.

Using the Marvel Scale, Wonder Woman should probably have a strength around 5. At that level she would have to be careful not to kill a human with a single punch, but could still be menaced by a number of things far stronger than she is. Obviously when you take Superman and have him fight another Kryptonian, there will be major collateral damage. We saw this in SvB. How much such damage can cities really take.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 30, 2017 04:36PM)
One of the reasons for the creation of Thor in the Marvel universe was to go toe to toe with the Hulk. Hulks strength bring literally limitless and all.

It is interesting that the Super Soldier program intensifies his soldier ability more than just strength in Cap.

It is why they keep having to muck about with reasons why Hulk is grey or Thor losses favor with Odin or what not.
All powerful is boring as can be.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 1, 2017 02:41AM)
Based on Danny's preference for heroes with flaws, I surmise that one of his favorites is Cyclops because of Cyke's angst and anguish that he cannot control his optic-beam. Cyclops is also innovative and unusual in that his superpower is both a blessing and curse at the same time. The Avengers may be called the mightiest team but the X-Men were known as the most unusual team (of which Cyclops is a member). In fact, in the early 1960s, each issue's cover was emblazoned with the blurb " the world's most unusual fighting team." For my money I prefer unusual.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2017 03:00AM)
Which superhero is normal?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 1, 2017 03:34AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2017, tommy wrote:
Which superhero is normal? [/quote]
To answer Tommy, I would say normal applies to Batman. What I base my answer on is from watching the TV documentary on Batman in which the point was made that Batman is not even a superhero because he has no superpowers at all. That point was made by a DC-writer so it must have some validity.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2017 04:16AM)
Many of the usual suspects have no super powers neither: super clever perhaps, evil genius types. I think some of them villains are based on real people that want to rule the world – like those evil climate scientists. :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 1, 2017 11:21AM)
Batman is a dude with a greivence and a bank account. Same with Queen.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 4, 2017 01:02PM)
Certainly true about what you said as to the grievance aspect of Batman and Green Arrow. That's why fans have been saying that the difference between the DC movies and Marvel movies is that DC plays it dark whereas Marvel movies are somewhat on the lighter side.(Granted,the latest Wolverine movie was dark but that was the exception rather than the rule.) Maybe DC should lighten up a bit in order to catch up to Marvel.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 4, 2017 01:05PM)
I don't think that is really it. Poor writing seema to be a big thing.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jun 4, 2017 03:18PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
Certainly true about what you said as to the grievance aspect of Batman and Green Arrow. That's why fans have been saying that the difference between the DC movies and Marvel movies is that DC plays it dark whereas Marvel movies are somewhat on the lighter side.(Granted,the latest Wolverine movie was dark but that was the exception rather than the rule.) Maybe DC should lighten up a bit in order to catch up to Marvel. [/quote]

I think it's just that Marvel better understands the audiences that go to see these movies.
That, and the fact that the Marvel characters are by and large more popular.

And the writing of the D.C. movies really does suck.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jun 4, 2017 03:19PM)
Anyone have a review of Wonder Woman?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 4, 2017 04:05PM)
Well, she is sexy.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 4, 2017 09:46PM)
Today I saw "Wonder Woman." Definite two thumbs up. Acting was great. Writing was suburb. The plot made sense. The movies' pacing was good. No spoilers here, but it also did something that has never been done for Wonder Woman. It made her believable. I saw the movie in 3D for no reason other than timing of the shows. I prefer not to see movies in 3D and I don't think this movie needed it.

Remember, comic books are mostly written and drawn by men and sold for boys. There are certainly female comic book fans, but there are far fewer. This has always made WW hard to write and hard to believe.

Lynda Carter was a beautiful WW who probably could have taken the role far were it not for limited budget, limited special effects of the time and really really bad writing.

Anybody remember Kathy Lee Crosby as WW in the early 1970's? Ricardo Montalban was the villain.

Taking my hat off to Gal Gadot and all those involved.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 4, 2017 09:48PM)
BTW: back to Orville's original question, if DC keeps putting out films like this, then maybe they can catch up.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 5, 2017 02:42PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2017, tommy wrote:
Which superhero is normal? [/quote]
To answer Tommy, I would say normal applies to Batman. What I base my answer on is from watching the TV documentary on Batman in which the point was made that Batman is not even a superhero because he has no superpowers at all. That point was made by a DC-writer so it must have some validity. [/quote]

There are quite a few "superheroes" without powers. The Vigilante, Wildcat, the original Atom was nothing more than a short person who had trained himself as a fighter. There was an entire episode of "Justice League - Unlimited" that had a parade of superheroes, the problem was, there was a event happening that had drawn away all the "A" listers and left only the "unpowered" superheroes to appear and take on a meta-hating general who mutated himself to destroy the Justice League. Someone else pointed out that the only "meta" human in this fight was him!

There's more (imho) to being a "superhero" than being a meta-human.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 5, 2017 05:45PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Anyone have a review of Wonder Woman? [/quote]

My wife goes to all the super hero movies with me somewhat begrudgingly. She says that Wonder Woman is now her favorite Super Hero movie. I thought it was pretty good although a few scenes were a bit too derivative for me. Guardians is still my favorite for the year so far.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 5, 2017 06:18PM)
I have not seen W squared, but Guardians is my favorite movie of any genra so far.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 5, 2017 09:01PM)
I used to love Flash Gorden when I was a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8BFrd1ckSw

I think back then we all really believed we would be spacemen soon.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 6, 2017 08:35PM)
Any other fans of "Gotham" on here?

The season 3 finale of "Gotham" was pretty amazing! It aired last night, so I watched part last night and part today.

My wife was in another room when I reacted to this one part (she doesn't watch this show), and she thought that something was seriously wrong (like I was reacting to something serious on the news). I had to explain to her that it was just something on the TV show, and that's all I was saying "Whoa!" about. lol!

- Donald

P.S. I'm hoping to go see "Wonder Woman" before the end of the week.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jun 6, 2017 09:01PM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2017, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Any other fans of "Gotham" on here?

The season 3 finale of "Gotham" was pretty amazing! It aired last night, so I watched part last night and part today.

My wife was in another room when I reacted to this one part (she doesn't watch this show), and she thought that something was seriously wrong (like I was reacting to something serious on the news). I had to explain to her that it was just something on the TV show, and that's all I was saying "Whoa!" about. lol!

- Donald

P.S. I'm hoping to go see "Wonder Woman" before the end of the week. [/quote]

I love Gotham. The way

D.C. has surpassed Marvel as far as T.V. shows are concerned imo.
Flash brought the whole Flashpoint story line home very well after it went sideways a bit.
Supergirl is just campy enough.

S.H.I.E.L.D has turned into train wreck, but I'm looking forward to The Defenders in August.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 8, 2017 09:34AM)
Gotham and the Flash season finales both had something in common. I thought they both would have made great series finales in how they ended. Flash's ending would not have been a happy one, but Gotham's was just right. However both are coming back next year.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 9, 2017 11:46PM)
I think Marvel has another big hit on their hands.

[youtube]dxWvtMOGAhw[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 11, 2017 09:43AM)
I think it's pretty cool that Marvel (MCU) has 3 movie trailers out at the same time.

Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 2017), Thor: Ragnarok (November 2017), and Black Panther (February 2018).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 11, 2017 03:06PM)
Because I am hopelessly behind on stuff I am watching Iron Fist. 3 episodes in and I'm not disappointed.

I have to make my way back to Jessica Jones.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 11, 2017 04:14PM)
It never occurred to me how similar the Batman symbol is to Iron Fist. Well I guess it is the other way round but they are similar.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jun 13, 2017 09:03PM)
Saw Wonder Woman this past weekend and really liked it. Maybe 20 minutes too long, but other than that, very cool. Some intense fight choreography, well-developed characters, empowered women, and best of all...

no invisible airplane!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 15, 2017 03:30PM)
Lol. I know what you mean about the airplane, and I agree. In fact, in the comics, in a recent development,they made it even WORSE by making it sentient.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 15, 2017 04:28PM)
Nice.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 16, 2017 03:01PM)
Well I sent to see W squared.

It is an origin story obviously.

Gal Gadot was great. Tough charecter to play.

It wasn't bad. I still think it had many of the problems Sups has with omnipotence and such. I sort of dislike the violence as an answer ending that accompanies every super hero movie now.

All in all not a bad way to spend a couple hours.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 16, 2017 07:56PM)
A somewhat belated obituary but a couple of weeks ago, popular artist Rich Buckler passed away. Although known for creating the Marvel hero Deathlok, he also did tons of work for both Marvel and DC. The best way to eulogize Mr. Buckler is by remembering your favorite work that he did. In my case, it was a Justice League story that featured the return of the Extraterrestrial Starro. Although his entire body had been destroyed except for just one of his limbs, Starro was able to use that fragmentary-limb to successfully regenerate his entire body. Seems that in addition to myself that only Cliff and Twister remember these classic artists. After all, it was only Cliff and Twister who remembered Bernie Wrightson.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 17, 2017 08:09AM)
I do remember Rich Buckler, I also remember the Starro story you speak of. I remember reading the Deathlock origin too. I did not know he had passed, I will raise a pen in his honor.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 25, 2017 02:16PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2017, tommy wrote:
Which superhero is normal? [/quote]
To answer Tommy, I would say normal applies to Batman. What I base my answer on is from watching the TV documentary on Batman in which the point was made that Batman is not even a superhero because he has no superpowers at all. That point was made by a DC-writer so it must have some validity. [/quote]

There are quite a few "superheroes" without powers. The Vigilante, Wildcat, the original Atom was nothing more than a short person who had trained himself as a fighter. There was an entire episode of "Justice League - Unlimited" that had a parade of superheroes, the problem was, there was a event happening that had drawn away all the "A" listers and left only the "unpowered" superheroes to appear and take on a meta-hating general who mutated himself to destroy the Justice League. Someone else pointed out that the only "meta" human in this fight was him!

There's more (imho) to being a "superhero" than being a meta-human. [/quote]

Yes,I remember that Al Pratt version of the Atom that you mention who has no superpowers at all. In fact, there was one 1960s issue where Pratt fought against the Ray Palmer Atom(who has superpowers) and,believe it or not, the non-powered one defeated the super-powered one. The way he did it was by hitting Ray's Shrinkage-control button so Palmer grew back to normal size, at which point Al knocked him out. lol
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 26, 2017 12:25PM)
Later it was revealed that Pratt gained super strength form being exposed to various radiations over the years.

I always thought it was weird that a five foot four Al Pratt would take on a heard of six footer baddies who were sometimes armed, and beat the hell out of them.

Ah comics... making the little reader feel he could triumph over any injustice.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 28, 2017 08:54AM)
Apologies, Al is 5 foot 1 inch short. It was Houdini who was probably 5'4"
Message: Posted by: AceOfJokers (Jul 3, 2017 03:33AM)
I have a Superhero 'anagram tree' routine that all kids and most adults love. It uses both DC and Marvel characters.
Message: Posted by: hollywoo (Jul 6, 2017 09:00PM)
At present, DC has much better comics than Marvel, Marvel has much better movies, and both have hit-or-miss TV.

I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet. It might put DC back in the running movies-wise. Which I'd like, as I'm a huge DC fan.

[quote]On Jul 3, 2017, AceOfJokers wrote:
I have a Superhero 'anagram tree' routine that all kids and most adults love. It uses both DC and Marvel characters. [/quote]

That sounds awesome! I actually came upon this thread searching "comic books" to see if there were any comic-related effects. Been thinking about presenting some tricks, but with the gimmick being that I've been trying to develop the superpowers of various heroes but with limited success. Super Man's x-ray vision allowing me to see through a closed box to tell what someone's card is (or, perhaps more powerfully, a mentalism effect where I can "see" what they drew on a paper in an envelope). Spider-Man's ability to stick to things. Maybe mild telekinesis with a levitation effect, and so on. That'll be a bit down the line, though. Still very early in the learning process right now.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 6, 2017 09:07PM)
I'm not that enthralled with the whole "Rebirth" thing. It is better than "The New 52" but really is not great yet.

On my way to Spiderman Homecoming.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 7, 2017 07:36PM)
I really liked Homecoming. But once again I really like when secret identities were, oh I don't know, SECRET.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 8, 2017 03:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 6, 2017, hollywoo wrote:
At present, DC has much better comics than Marvel, Marvel has much better movies, and both have hit-or-miss TV.

I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet. It might put DC back in the running movies-wise. Which I'd like, as I'm a huge DC fan.

[quote]On Jul 3, 2017, AceOfJokers wrote:
I have a Superhero 'anagram tree' routine that all kids and most adults love. It uses both DC and Marvel characters. [/quote]

That sounds awesome! I actually came upon this thread searching "comic books" to see if there were any comic-related effects. Been thinking about presenting some tricks, but with the gimmick being that I've been trying to develop the superpowers of various heroes but with limited success. Super Man's x-ray vision allowing me to see through a closed box to tell what someone's card is (or, perhaps more powerfully, a mentalism effect where I can "see" what they drew on a paper in an envelope). Spider-Man's ability to stick to things. Maybe mild telekinesis with a levitation effect, and so on. That'll be a bit down the line, though. Still very early in the learning process right now. [/quote]

As far as a magical adaptation of Spiderman's ability to stick to things, there was a gimmick sold in the old 1960s Vick Lawston catalog called Suspenso where objects such as pencils could be made to "stick" to the palm of your hand. While we're at it,I still have a copy of that 1960s catalog, and wonder if anyone else does or at least remembers that catalog.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jul 8, 2017 07:40PM)
On a sad note Joan Lee died two days ago. Stan always said she was his rock.
They were married for 69 years!!

In fact she was the one who encouraged him to write the story HE wanted to write. He wrote Amazing Fantasy 15 and the rest is history. He was on the verge of quitting comics. Good thing for all of us she was there.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 9, 2017 12:58PM)
On a happy note, DC can catch up with Marvel by supplying Marvel superheroes with marijuana. :)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 10, 2017 10:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Jul 6, 2017, hollywoo wrote:
At present, DC has much better comics than Marvel, Marvel has much better movies, and both have hit-or-miss TV.

I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet. It might put DC back in the running movies-wise. Which I'd like, as I'm a huge DC fan.

[quote]On Jul 3, 2017, AceOfJokers wrote:
I have a Superhero 'anagram tree' routine that all kids and most adults love. It uses both DC and Marvel characters. [/quote]

That sounds awesome! I actually came upon this thread searching "comic books" to see if there were any comic-related effects. Been thinking about presenting some tricks, but with the gimmick being that I've been trying to develop the superpowers of various heroes but with limited success. Super Man's x-ray vision allowing me to see through a closed box to tell what someone's card is (or, perhaps more powerfully, a mentalism effect where I can "see" what they drew on a paper in an envelope). Spider-Man's ability to stick to things. Maybe mild telekinesis with a levitation effect, and so on. That'll be a bit down the line, though. Still very early in the learning process right now. [/quote]

As far as a magical adaptation of Spiderman's ability to stick to things, there was a gimmick sold in the old 1960s Vick Lawston catalog called Suspenso where objects such as pencils could be made to "stick" to the palm of your hand. While we're at it,I still have a copy of that 1960s catalog, and wonder if anyone else does or at least remembers that catalog. [/quote]

I remember Vic Lawson and his monkey, Pumpernickle! I ordered a few things from him and got some odd free throw ins along with the order.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 10, 2017 11:47PM)
Has no one mentioned Jim Steranko in this thread yet?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 11, 2017 10:10AM)
What about him Tommy? I love the guy because aside from being a fine creator of comic books the man was also legitimately an escape artist.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 11, 2017 11:00AM)
I just thought it odd that after all this time a bunch of magicians of all people, talking on this subject had not yet mentioned Jim Steranko.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 11, 2017 12:07PM)
Jim Steranko
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 11, 2017 12:21PM)
Done and done.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 11, 2017 03:18PM)
[youtube]p9ZA071M67o[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 11, 2017 03:58PM)
Spider-man homecoming.... Another winner for Marvel.

Aunt May's last line in the film may or may not have been designed to get a laugh, but it got a big one in that theater. I thought the line was very appropriate for the situation and not all that funny. My daughter and the rest of the audience did not agree with me.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 12, 2017 05:26PM)
I guess I'm in the minority but I was a bit disappointed by Spider-man. Maybe it's because they want to show him grow as a super hero but Spider-man was truly the most incompetent super hero I've ever seen portrayed in the Marvel universe. He caused so much unnecessary damage to everything around him, was almost completely inept at catching any villains, and gave away his secret identity 3 times in one movie. Also, if this is supposed to be immediately after Captain America Civil War with Tony Stark as the big policeman of the Sokovia accords, why does he allow Spider-man to run around fighting crime without getting approval from the appropriate govt agency every time he decides to suit up?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 12, 2017 06:24PM)
It is his "origin" in a way. They have regressed him since he came back to Sony obviously.

At his origin Spidey was pretty inept. But I never thought of the "overall" in the world issues you mentioned. Makes sense. That is the problem with one universe I guess.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 12, 2017 06:39PM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
...

At his origin Spidey was pretty inept.
... [/quote]

Was he? I guess I don't remember that.

While they have 'regressed' him, they've also super-sized him. He sure never had a super spidey suit that was as smart as Iron Mans armor. (At least not starting out).
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 15, 2017 07:47PM)
The other day I went to my physician for my annual checkup. As soon as I entered, the first thing I noticed was that the Receptionist's desk had a figurine of Baby Groot.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 15, 2017 11:06PM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2017, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Jul 12, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
...

At his origin Spidey was pretty inept.
... [/quote]

Was he? I guess I don't remember that.

While they have 'regressed' him, they've also super-sized him. He sure never had a super spidey suit that was as smart as Iron Mans armor. (At least not starting out). [/quote]

Sure almost all of them were in one way or another. Don't forget he is just a kid.

And yes the suit thing bothers me too.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Jul 16, 2017 07:04AM)
Marvel js going all in with he new movie, Regrettably, all in includes Guardians of the Galaxy, count me out.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 16, 2017 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Later it was revealed that Pratt gained super strength form being exposed to various radiations over the years.
[/quote]
Thanks,I did not know that about the Al Pratt Atom. But I remember once about a switcheroo between Batman and Superman where Superman lost his powers because they got transferred into Batman. As a result,Batman got superpowers although only temporarily.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jul 16, 2017 02:49PM)
Tommy, thanks for the Steranko link. Dude is awesome. Tore up how superheros were portrayed and reinvented the comic medium with his background in graphic arts. A true innovator.

And knows a thing or two about this magic thing too.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 20, 2017 10:44PM)
Inhumans looks pretty cool and some great actors. Look forward to seeing Ramsay Bolton play the evil Maximus. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint like Agents of Shield has.

[youtube]xU9Z6cKsbY0[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 21, 2017 06:32PM)
I kind of like "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." I've watched all 4 seasons, and I'm looking forward to season 5.

I really liked how it meshed with the story line of "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" in the first season. If you were watching the TV show, and also saw the movie on opening weekend, everything fit nicely.

And I thought this past season (season 4) was interesting. Personally, of the Ghost Rider, LMD, and Agents of Hydra story lines, the Agents of Hydra story line was my favorite.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 21, 2017 07:53PM)
The only time I watched Agents of Shield were the episodes featuring The Ghost Rider. What disappointed and even upset me was the Ghost Rider's utter ruthlessness. Because the Ghost Rider killed an innocent gang member. The gang member in the jail cell was just another member of the same gang that had the murderer, and yet Ghost Rider incinerated him as well. Apparently the Ghost Rider believes in guilt by association. But any way you look at it, that man was innocent. So I find it very disturbing.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 24, 2017 05:02PM)
New Thor trailer.

[youtube]ue80QwXMRHg[/youtube]

Thor Ragnarok is being directed by Taika Waititi, who has a great sense of humor. If you've seen a few of his other movies, such as "Hunt for the Wilderpeople" or "What we do in the Darkness", you'll have gotten a taste of his humor.

I'm curious to see how much of this trailer is actually from the movie and how much was simply filmed for the trailer.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 28, 2017 07:56PM)
Now that Rockwall mentioned trailers, it makes me think how watching a trailer can sometimes spoil the subsequent viewing of the movie itself. For example, when the Avengers trailer included Spiderman, it made me think how the movie would have been much more of a treat if Spiderman's appearance had been a total surprise. In fact,in most trailers, they show all of the most exciting scenes already. Problem is that it's almost impossible to avoid seeing those trailers because they appear in TV commercials so suddenly that as soon as they appear,it's impossible to resist.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 28, 2017 08:54PM)
In this day and age you won't keep secrets about a Spiderman appearance in a movie. Why not show it to attract more people?

I never watch trailers, except in the movies. I never click on them, I don't go to fan sites, I don't even watch much live TV so I never see them when they are there.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 30, 2017 08:53PM)
I know what you mean about trailers spoiling the movie. It's done it to more than one for me but that hasn't stopped me from watching them!

However, I was very happy with the trailer to Guardians 2 after seeing the movie. I would say that 90% of the trailer was covered in the first 10 minutes of the movie and so spoiled very little of the surprises to come.

I get the feeling that it could be the same with Thor Ragnarok.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 30, 2017 09:12PM)
Guardians 2 flat out rocked.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 31, 2017 12:18AM)
[quote]On Jul 30, 2017, rockwall wrote:
I get the feeling that it could be the same with Thor Ragnarok. [/quote]

There are now 2 trailers for "Thor: Ragnarok", and they are quite different. In some ways, it appears as though one tips the plot of the first half of the movie, and the other tips the plot of the second half of the movie. But I hope I'm wrong.

There was a "bogus" trailer released for "Spider-man: Homecoming" that featured DJ Khaled (and other celebrities) & Spider-man bringing snacks to Tony Stark's NBA Finals party. None of that was in the theatrical release of the movie at all. I'm guessing it will be a bonus on the DVD / Blu-Ray when those are released. They were released as a series of commercials, and as a longer cut version. I think that Robert Downey Jr. debuted that trailer on his media (Facebook page, etc.) -- that's where I saw it first, before I saw it elsewhere. This page has the longer cut of that trailer.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/06/10/spider-man-homecoming-nba-finals-extended-cut/

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 31, 2017 10:31AM)
I have a friend who works for Sega designing pinball machines. (I KNOW coolest job ever right?!)

When they did Batman Forever they had a preview of the script and worked from that. There was a scene where Chase was on the couch and the Riddler drugged her and so forth. It went on WAY longer than in the final movie. It was l on the machine, but not in the movie so they had to vet quickly change that!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Aug 1, 2017 05:21PM)
Ugh. I just read that the Flash will be adding the elongated man to the team. Don't get me wrong, I like the elongated man, but my problem is the stretching effects. In the movies, Marvel did an OK job with Reed Richards' stretching ability, but mostly it looked cartoonish. That was on a cgi movie budget. I am afraid to think how it will look on TV. I hope they make it work.

Many people think that the Flash has gotten too dark. Maybe so. E.M. could lighten things up.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 1, 2017 07:45PM)
It is amazing the difference an hour makes between the Flash and Arrow in dark quality of the show.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 1, 2017 07:46PM)
Actually, Marvel has never done Reed Richards stretching ability. FF is owned by Fox.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Aug 2, 2017 10:24AM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
It is amazing the difference an hour makes between the Flash and Arrow in dark quality of the show. [/quote]

You're right, the shows definitely have a different tone.

I saw an interview with some of the writers / producers of Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, and DC Legends of Tomorrow at some time, and they defined Arrow as a gritty crime drama show, whereas they defined The Flash as an action-adventure show.

BTW, in Fall 2016, all 4 of the CW shows were in the same time slot (8-9pm), but just on different nights. It will be different in Fall 2017.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 4, 2017 07:38PM)
Good point by Rockwall that the Guardians #2 trailer did not spoil the movie. It shows that spoiler-free trailers can be done.

Another way is that there are both long trailers as well as short trailers. So it would help avoid spoilers if one looks at the short ones.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 4, 2017 08:46PM)
[quote]On Aug 1, 2017, rockwall wrote:
Actually, Marvel has never done Reed Richards stretching ability. FF is owned by Fox. [/quote]

I thought they get theose charectors back. I am so out of the loop.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 5, 2017 05:46PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Aug 1, 2017, rockwall wrote:
Actually, Marvel has never done Reed Richards stretching ability. FF is owned by Fox. [/quote]

I thought they get theose charectors back. I am so out of the loop. [/quote]

Nope but the rumors persist and hope springs eternal.

Personally, I think anyone trying to do Mr Fantastic is going to have a tough time of it.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 13, 2017 03:33PM)
Certainly a very pleasant surprise from Cliff's announcement because I'm a very avid fan of the Elongated Man. What's really ironic is that the first time I ran across Dibny, it did not appeal to
me at all. Because at that time I used to like only The Flash and the X-Men.

Then one day at school during the 1960's, a classmate brought an issue of Detective Comics into the classroom during recess time. It was on the other side of the room where the classmate was showing his friend that issue,so I was eavesdropping on their conversation. He had bought Detective Comics just for Batman only, but when his friend turned to the secondary story with the Elongated Man,I remember him getting awestruck because it was the first time he saw such a bizarre character! Judging from his reaction, I got the impression that he was more impressed with the Elongated Man than with Superman. So that got me interested in the Elongated Man.

But what really clinched it for me and made EM one of my favorites was when I got a paperback book on True-life Sideshow freaks. Included among all those Sideshow anomalies was a human oddity called the Elastic Skin Man. He could pull and stretch out the skin of his facial-cheeks 8 inches and could stretch his chest-skin all the way over his mouth. I still remember how excited I got that abnormal elasticity exists in real life! So that was the final clincher, and I got hooked with the Elongated Man.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Aug 18, 2017 07:44AM)
Rainy day in New York.

Gonna binge watch the Defenders.

Life is good.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 18, 2017 09:35AM)
Yea I'm watching it today as well. Just finished Luke Cage and liked it a lot.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 19, 2017 12:53AM)
I'm through episode 6 and do like it.

Always been a fan of Stick.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Aug 19, 2017 03:34AM)
Two thumbs way up!

Not the Defenders from my youth, but I was never a big fan.

I've always liked Stick also. His morality always seemed to have a necessary practical side.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 19, 2017 09:45AM)
I was a big fan of 70s Defenders.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 19, 2017 12:01PM)
This will be WAY different.

I was very surprised, but I really liked it a lot. I figured I would enjoy it but it was very good.

I reserve the right to change my opinion once Rockwall weighs in. I find he has insights often I don't consider at first LOL.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Aug 19, 2017 12:41PM)
Geez.

I wasn't a big Submariner fan, and it seemed like Marvel was just trying to throw a bunch of B+ characters into a team.
To be fair, I didn't give it real chance back then.

At first I was annoyed that it was only eight episodes, but it was enough. They kept the pace going throughout.

I like Finn a little better as Iron Fist after this, and they did a really good job of explaining the importance of K'un Lun.
They've set themselves up nicely for the next few series.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 19, 2017 01:00PM)
I have to say I was a little shocked by the 8 episode format, but to keep that level of "gotta get it done" going for much more might have been a stretch.

All in all not a bad way to spend a couple days. I still wait for Rockwall LOL.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 19, 2017 05:59PM)
[quote]On Aug 19, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Geez.

I wasn't a big Submariner fan, and it seemed like Marvel was just trying to throw a bunch of B+ characters into a team.
To be fair, I didn't give it real chance back then.

At first I was annoyed that it was only eight episodes, but it was enough. They kept the pace going throughout.

I like Finn a little better as Iron Fist after this, and they did a really good job of explaining the importance of K'un Lun.
They've set themselves up nicely for the next few series. [/quote]

Submariner wasn't there long. My line up was Dr. Strange, Hulk, Nighthawk and Valkerie.

My favorite arc was the Sons of The Serpent.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Aug 23, 2017 03:57PM)
Just finished it last night. Thought it was pretty good. Not GREAT but fun to watch. Much better than Iron Fist or even Luke Cage. I still hate Finn Jones as Iron Fist and think he's the weak spot in the lineup. He comes across as a whiny teenager always ready to throw a temper tantrum showing you his "mean" face.

But, the story was good. I really like when a these shows foreshadow stories that we as Marvel fans know about. They did this with Misty Knight and with where Daredevil wakes up.

In the comics, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones marry so it was also nice to see a little bit of a spark there even though Luke Cage is currently in a different romance.

There were some real shocking moments in the series which I liked also.

It's not on a level with the best that TV has to offer, like GOT, Ray Donovan, or when Justified was on, but much better than most Superhero fare on TV.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 2, 2017 07:53PM)
So far, no mention of Marvel's Inhumans premiere yesterday. I wonder if anybody attended. Maybe it's because it will be shown on their ABC TV series anyway.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 2, 2017 09:18PM)
Yikes! I actually meant to go to that but completely forgot about it. Oh well, I'll be sure to watch it on the tube.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Sep 3, 2017 04:04AM)
In our local IMAX theatre, "Marvel's Inhumans" (TV show pilot) is playing from September 1st to the 7th (maybe longer*). I wasn't able to see it on Friday or Saturday, but I'm hoping to see it in the next couple of days.

So, it wasn't just playing on September 1st only, which is the impression I originally got. Maybe others got that same impression.

The pilot will also be shown on TV on September 29th, and then the series will continue on TV.

*It says on Wikipedia that the theatrical run is supposed to be two weeks. I hadn't noticed that before.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 3, 2017 01:40PM)
Https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/marvel-inhumans-review/amp

The reviews are not good. It seems to be seeinsetting up to be the c duster if the year" if Tee Guardian is to be believed.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 5, 2017 03:15PM)
OK, so Marvel dropped the ball on this one. Guess what... They are allowed an occaisional flub, like everybody else.

My wife and I went to the movies this weekend (not comic book related) and saw a poster on the wall for the Justice League movie. She wondered if DC would be able to capitalize on Marvel's misfire.

I don't think the question is relevant. Marvel will still make great movies. I think the issue was that they took a TV pilot and tried to get people to shell out $$ to see it when they will see it for free in three weeks time. My guess is that when I see it as a TV pilot on TV, I will like it just fine.

Kind of like the Fantastic Four movie from teh 1990's that was inserted above. I got to see it when it first was NOT released. I remember thinking that it was a (rappy movie, but would have made a great TV pilot. (btw that film does have its' moments)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 5, 2017 04:31PM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/marvel-inhumans-review/amp

The reviews are not good. It seems to be seeinsetting up to be the c duster if the year" if Tee Guardian is to be believed. [/quote]

I put in all those Siri attacks for Rockwall. This way he knows for certain it is me.

"Seems to be setting up".

"The disaster of the year"

And "The" Guardian.


SO many things to get wrong, so little time for me.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 5, 2017 04:33PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
OK, so Marvel dropped the ball on this one. Guess what... They are allowed an occaisional flub, like everybody else.

My wife and I went to the movies this weekend (not comic book related) and saw a poster on the wall for the Justice League movie. She wondered if DC would be able to capitalize on Marvel's misfire.

I don't think the question is relevant. Marvel will still make great movies. I think the issue was that they took a TV pilot and tried to get people to shell out $$ to see it when they will see it for free in three weeks time. My guess is that when I see it as a TV pilot on TV, I will like it just fine.

Kind of like the Fantastic Four movie from teh 1990's that was inserted above. I got to see it when it first was NOT released. I remember thinking that it was a (rappy movie, but would have made a great TV pilot. (btw that film does have its' moments) [/quote]

Will all the holes in the plot mentioned simply vanish when nobody is being charged?

The Justice League movie is made and set for release. There is no way to take advantage of this for them realistically.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Sep 5, 2017 08:59PM)
I think it's more realistic to think that "Thor: Ragnarok" and "Justice League" will be the (rival franchise) movies being compared to one another, for ticket sales & reviews. After all, they are both being released in November 2017, here in North America.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 6, 2017 01:50PM)
I've been hearing some troubling rumors about Justice League. I'd like to see DC put out another home run like Wonder Woman but I'm worried Justice League may be received more like BVS. (Which did great at the box office despite the bad press.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 6, 2017 01:58PM)
I enjoyed the W squared movie.

I wonder if it is actor choice? She was a compelling actress and we have few to compare her to. Whereas Batman and Sups have many so we pick and choose favorites. I'm not sure I'm just asking.

I liked Christian Bale as Bats, and was surprised by Afflek pleasantly. Jeremy Irons was a wonderful Allred. I guess we will see how the rest of the League goes over. But The Guardians I thought every casting choice was brilliant. Avengers as well, though a more physically imposing God of Thunder would have been my preference.

I have always enjoyed the Justice League. Hopefully they will go over well.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Sep 6, 2017 07:39PM)
Not sure if this has been mentioned previously on the thread, but it relates to "Justice League".

From Wikipedia...

[quote] Principal photography commenced in April 2016 and ended in October 2016. Snyder left the project in May 2017, following the death of his daughter, with Joss Whedon supervising post-production, as well as working on additional scenes and re-shoots. [/quote]

So, one has to wonder if the change of director, and the additional scenes and re-shoots, will make it a different movie. Some people like Joss Whedon superhero movies more than Zack Snider superhero movies (or vice versa).

BTW, as I understand it (from articles I read online), Zack Snider still gets credit for writing and directing the movie, and it seems like he did the lions share of the work. It's more like Joss Whedon did some fine tuning / clean-up on the project.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 7, 2017 11:45AM)
Taking the thread off in a weird direction, Warner Bros has just done a limited run of merging two of their properties together; DC comics and (I'm not kidding here) Loony Toons!
One has Superman running into Bugs Bunny with the help of Mr. Myxtptlyx. Another has Wonder Woman with the Tasmanian Devil (don't know how that one works out). The one I did read is Batman going up against a hit man Elmer Fudd! All the characters here are human, but they hang out at a dive called "Porky's" and all the low life's will be recognizable by there catch phrases.

Having read this, my kid said; "OK, Disney owns Marvel, ball's in their court!" Leaving us with the image of a Donald Duck/Howard team up!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 7, 2017 12:29PM)
Thanks for a good laugh Ed, I had never heard of this before.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 7, 2017 12:57PM)
OK, found it online. Really hysterical. Second half is cute I suppose, Batman in the looney tunes world. First half is really a great story. The looney tunes characters in Batman's world; dark and gritty. Hitman Elmer,bartender Porkey, Sleezy guy Bugs, etc. Worth reading for sure. The writers probably had a great time seriously writing all the characters speech impediments and styles of speaking which match perfectly.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 7, 2017 01:47PM)
Most of the Batman villains belongs in Loony Toons anyway!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 8, 2017 09:03PM)
Along those lines, does anybody Else remember the DC issue where Captain Marvel found himself in a parallel universe populated by funny animals who also happened to be superheroes? I vaguely remember a funny animal hero called Marvel Bunny. I of course know of Earths one and two and three, but I don't know what parallel earth that was. In that story, it was clearly established that there is a parallel universe populated by funny animals who are sentient.

Incidentally,I think that rather than Superman and Wonder Woman, it would have been better if it was Plastic Man who encountered Bugs Bunny because Plastic Man is already in the scatterbrain vein. To go even one step further, I would think that Plastic Man is an indigenous inhabitant of that Looney Tunes universe.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Sep 8, 2017 10:41PM)
Hoppy the Marvel Bunny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoppy_the_Marvel_Bunny
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 9, 2017 10:32AM)
Orville, Are you thinking of Superman visiting Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew? What you're describing sounds more like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Carrot
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 9, 2017 08:16PM)
Thanks to Cliff and Rockwall for answering my question. Yes, I remember Both of those Rabbits but now I'm not sure which one I saw. Captain Carrot resides on Earth-C, but on which Earth does Marvel Bunny reside? I'm guessing that it's Earth-S,the same parallel Earth as Captain Marvel because Captain Marvel's world includes a Talking Tiger which is an anthropomorphized form of a tiger. In Captain Carrot's case, the funny animals exist on a separate-Earth than humans, whereas in Captain Marvel's case, funny animals and humans co-exist on the same Earth.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 10, 2017 04:36PM)
[quote]On Sep 9, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
Thanks to Cliff and Rockwall for answering my question. Yes, I remember Both of those Rabbits but now I'm not sure which one I saw. Captain Carrot resides on Earth-C, but on which Earth does Marvel Bunny reside? I'm guessing that it's Earth-S,the same parallel Earth as Captain Marvel because Captain Marvel's world includes a Talking Tiger which is an anthropomorphized form of a tiger. In Captain Carrot's case, the funny animals exist on a separate-Earth than humans, whereas in Captain Marvel's case, funny animals and humans co-exist on the same Earth. [/quote]

Apparently, the comic reality is playing with us;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoppy_the_Marvel_Bunny

Hoppy the Marvel Bunny apparently lived in an animal based world and was a fan of Captain Marvel. The article doesn't state if Captain Marvel was IN Hoppy's world or if Hoppy was a fan of the comic book. (Which leads us to wonder why an animal based reality would have comic books about humans!)

However, as DC Comics now own Fawcett's entire library, Hoppy the Marvel Bunny has shown up in Captain Marvel stories.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 10, 2017 04:49PM)
There were rumors that they would make a "Shazam" film with Dwayne "Don't Call Me "The Rock," "The Rock"" Johnson as Black Adam. (For those of you not in the know, Adam Ho Tepp was an Egyptain to whom Shazam FIRST gave the powers to. He became corrupted by the power and although Shazam could not remove the powers from he banished him to the farthest corner of space. Flying for 5,000 years, he made his way back!)

Now, looking at Dwayne Johnson's IMDB page;

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

I don't see a reference for the "Shazam" film, but I DO see that a "Black Adam" film has been announced! Maybe they want to show Adam's fall from grace before giving us his return, but it seems odd that the "Shazam" picture isn't even mentioned.

On a side track. He's also been announced for a "Doc Savage" film, which would be awesome.
Anything would be better than this;

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072886/?ref_=nv_sr_2

I saw this film at a convention and the best I could say about it was "meh." It was so bland, it made the Adam West "Batman" film look like high drama.

The only questionable thing I would have would be that I hope they can properly cover up Dwayne's body tattoos. I don't see Doc having those.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Sep 11, 2017 04:46PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
There were rumors that they would make a "Shazam" film with Dwayne "Don't Call Me "The Rock," "The Rock"" Johnson as Black Adam. (For those of you not in the know, Adam Ho Tepp was an Egyptain to whom Shazam FIRST gave the powers to. He became corrupted by the power and although Shazam could not remove the powers from he banished him to the farthest corner of space. Flying for 5,000 years, he made his way back!)

Now, looking at Dwayne Johnson's IMDB page;

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

I don't see a reference for the "Shazam" film, but I DO see that a "Black Adam" film has been announced! Maybe they want to show Adam's fall from grace before giving us his return, but it seems odd that the "Shazam" picture isn't even mentioned.[/quote]

Hi Ed -

Explained on Wikipedia, with links to online articles / sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)#Live-action_films

[quote]In January 2017, DC and New Line Cinema announced that the Shazam! film would be developed as two films rather than one, adding a Black Adam solo film which will also star Dwayne Johnson to its development schedule. As a result, neither Johnson nor Black Adam will appear in the first Shazam! movie set to begin production in 2018.[/quote]

Also see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe#Shazam_.282019.29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe#Untitled_Black_Adam_film

- Donald
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 11, 2017 07:20PM)
Ah! Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 16, 2017 08:09PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
The only questionable thing I would have would be that I hope they can properly cover up Dwayne's body tattoos. I don't see Doc having those. [/quote]
Never knew that about Dwayne's tattoos but it reminded me that when Sean Connery portrayed O07, they had to cover up two tattoos on his right arm.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 29, 2017 08:15PM)
Just the other day, Hugh Hefner passed away. Now you're obviously wondering--why in blazes is Hefner mentioned in a comic book thread? The reason is because Hefner's magazine used to include the work of a very famous comic book artist. His name-- Jack Cole. For Hefner's magazine, Mr. Cole used to do the comic strip, Little Annie Fanny. But Mr. Cole is known most notably for the creation of the superhero, Plastic Man.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 6, 2017 09:24AM)
[quote]On Sep 16, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
The only questionable thing I would have would be that I hope they can properly cover up Dwayne's body tattoos. I don't see Doc having those. [/quote]
Never knew that about Dwayne's tattoos but it reminded me that when Sean Connery portrayed O07, they had to cover up two tattoos on his right arm. [/quote]

I knew "Scotland Forever," but I didn't know there was a second one or what it said.

Having said that, Sean's tattoos were nothing compared to what Dwayne is sporting;

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dwayne+johnson%27s+tattoo&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=dwayne+johnson%27s+tattoo&sc=8-23&sk=&cvid=66A8528CEC194C968E86A951CEC20CD8
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 8, 2017 05:32PM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Sep 16, 2017, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, ed rhodes wrote:
The only questionable thing I would have would be that I hope they can properly cover up Dwayne's body tattoos. I don't see Doc having those. [/quote]
Never knew that about Dwayne's tattoos but it reminded me that when Sean Connery portrayed O07, they had to cover up two tattoos on his right arm. [/quote]

I knew "Scotland Forever," but I didn't know there was a second one or what it said.

Having said that, Sean's tattoos were nothing compared to what Dwayne is sporting;

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dwayne+johnson%27s+tattoo&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=dwayne+johnson%27s+tattoo&sc=8-23&sk=&cvid=66A8528CEC194C968E86A951CEC20CD8 [/quote]
While you're at it about Dwayne, it should delight you to know that Dwayne has been picked to play the role of Black Adam in DC's upcoming Captain Marvel movie. I don't know if Dwayne has actually signed up yet, but I think he's an excellent casting choice. I remember watching back in the 1970s a Saturday Morning series of Captain Marvel called "Shazam." It was even in live action, which was surprising for a Saturday morning series. Most likely, Ed remembers that one. That series was alright but I think the best adaptation was that of the old-time serial of Captain Marvel. If you ask me, I think it was even better than the Superman serial because whenever Superman was shown flying, he was shown as a cartoon figure. But in the Captain Marvel serial they showed the actor Tom Tyler himself actually in flight.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 9, 2017 09:06AM)
I believe what they somehow managed to do was hook Tyler up to a zip line. (such as they were back in the day) At least, if you look at some of those serials today, that is what it appears to be. Anyone remeber George Reeves insisting on the tech people finding a new way to make him fly after he fell off of the rig they used to make Superman fly in the 1950's TV show?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 15, 2017 02:29PM)
Now that Cliff mentioned George Reeves, it made me wonder again about Reeves' suspicious demise. Although the Coroner concluded that it was a suicide, many still believe that it was instead a hit. Wasn't it something to do with the suspiciousness of the gunpowder residue?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 16, 2017 09:48AM)
I am not really comfortable speculating on Mr. Reeves and his untimely death. It happened a year and a half before my birth, so celary I was not there to comment.

The one mjor piece in favor of suicide that I heard was Noel Neil, who said shortly before his death he was depressed that no one would take him seriously as an actor.

Remember two things he did that he hated because he could not get work as an actor. One was being shot out of a cannon in costume, the other was professional wrestling, again in costume.

Got to feel bad for the fellow.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 19, 2017 02:12PM)
Early reviews for Thor Ragnarok are in and some are calling it possibly the best MCU movie so far and certainly the funniest. There are tons of movie clips of it out to the point that I'm worried they are giving too much away but here's what I think what was the latest full trailer and also the newest trailer for Black Panther.

I think Marvel continues to give DC a run for the money.

[youtube]ue80QwXMRHg[/youtube]

[youtube]xjDjIWPwcPU[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 19, 2017 05:35PM)
I'm looking forward to Black Panther.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 21, 2017 08:05PM)
Yes, the Black Panther trailer is certainly impressive. What's ironic is that I never cared for the Panther in the comic books at all. In other words,what I'm driving at is that the film might surpass the comic. That's what already happened with me as far as the Shazam-Captain Marvel. In other words, I never liked the Captain Marvel comic book at all, but I very much enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie-serial starring Tim Tyler. That same irony might happen with the Black Panther as well.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 21, 2017 08:27PM)
Well you may enjoy Brie Larson in 2019.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 22, 2017 09:11PM)
[quote]On Oct 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
I'm looking forward to Black Panther. [/quote]
Me too. Will see how it goes over. Remember 1994 M. A. N. T. I. S. ?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 23, 2017 09:34AM)
Mantis got panned badly and canceld fairly quickly after going through two major changes in a series saving attempt. I still liked the show. Carl Lumbly did a believable job as the injured man given the means to fight back.

I was still sorry the pilot for Exo-Man never got picked up.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 28, 2017 07:48PM)
Now that you mention Exo-Man and Mantis, how about the other TV series Manimal? Mind you, this is Not to be confused with the DC superhero Animal-man who could take on just the abilities of animals. The difference with Manimal is that he could actually take on not just abilities but also the actual shapes of the animals.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Oct 30, 2017 09:08AM)
Manimal lasted an amazing 8 episodes before being canceled. (9 if you count the later team up with Night-man) I thin with better budgeting and effects the show could have been better. What you had was an arguably brilliant concept brought down by poor writing and cheesy special effects. If you see the team up on Night-man (a mere 14 years later) the specail effect of Jonathan changing into a snake was done so much better that you might have actually believed it. btw, Simon McCorkindale (manimal) was a british stage actor who was much better than the show.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 30, 2017 10:38PM)
I almost never do this sort of thing but thought that this once it would be fun. Going to the Thor Ragnarok opening night fan event.

I'll get what will turn out to be a fairly pricey "collectible coin". Woo hoo! :rotf:

https://www.amctheatres.com/participating-theatres/thor-event
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 1, 2017 08:36PM)
Well, as I feared, the Elongated Man premiered on The Flash. As I thought the effects looked kind of cartoony and cheap. There just is no live action way, that I know of to make a human look stretched out and still human.

Tomorrow--- Thor

Waiting for Justice League to get back on topic... Can DC catch up with Marvel.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 3, 2017 09:40AM)
Thor: Opening Night!

No spoilers here, promise.

A very enjoyable movie. Yes, I had some issues, but I still enjoyed it.
I will discuss the issues at another time after more people have seen it.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Nov 3, 2017 10:46AM)
Not only do we have "Thor: Ragnarok" and "Justice League" in theatres this month, we also have a 4-way crossover of the DCTV shows (Supergirl, Arrow, The Flash, and DC's Legends of Tomorrow) coming up on November 27th and 28th - "Crisis on Earth-X".

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Nov 3, 2017 05:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
...Waiting for Justice League to get back on topic... Can DC catch up with Marvel. [/quote]

We'll see how the general public deals with Apocalypse and the lighter banter between the heroes.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 4, 2017 12:20PM)
Contrary to Cliff's disappointment at Ralph Dibny's debut, I, on the other hand, enjoyed immensely the debut of the Elongated Man. Elasticity fx not cartoonish at all but quite realistic. Especially enjoyable was the scene where Ralph sneezes, which results in his face getting "splattered." To see his face hanging down to his chest with his nose dangling might seem gross but it's the very shock value which entertains. The ingenuity of the superpower is that even such grossness can be made to look awesome and/or comical. The comicality of the splattered face is further enhanced by the reaction of the lady in the laboratory.

Appropriately adding to the effects is the actor Hartley Sawyer. The finely chiseled angularity of his face especially in side profile is accurately remindful of the way artist Carmine Infantino used to depict Dibny in the comics. Appropriately comical too is the scene where Dibny reacts to being described as silly putty. "Silly Putty!" he whimpers in a facial expression that looks like a cross between a Shirley Temple pout and a Stan Laurel whimper.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 8, 2017 12:38PM)
Just to clarify...

I like the Elongated Man. I remember the first time he teamed with the Justice League. (not as a member) It was him, zatanna (also not a member) and several Justice Leaguers against one of Zatanna's foes (Alura?) Loved the humorous scene of the atom running up Elongated Man's arm to attack a very tell giant. Atom begs him to "Stop stretching" as he was losing ground with each step he took.

On Flash, I thought that both the writers and Hartley did a fine job of capturing him as a jaded but smart aleck detective. This was done so well I was willing to overlook the cartoony aspect, and I think that can somewhat be covered by giving E.M. a stretching costume.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 8, 2017 08:53PM)
Wasn't Elongated Man always kind of cartoony even in the comic books? And was his character ever portrayed as the jaded but smart aleck detective? It's been a long time since I read a comic with him in it but even briefly looking on the internet, it seems like they completely changed his character.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Nov 8, 2017 08:56PM)
Elongated or Plastic?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Nov 9, 2017 08:18AM)
I saw Ragnarok on Sunday.

I enjoyed it, but I was left a bit disappointed. Maybe I was expecting too much, but it seems that they tried too hard to insert humor into it.
I also didn't like the handling of the Hulk for the most part.

I did like the role that Loki played. Seeing him fight for Asgard was cool.

Oh well, onto JLA.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 9, 2017 10:06AM)
Trying to make Thor funny was an odd choice for me. Also a little whiney.

I certainly enjoyed the movie.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 10, 2017 02:31PM)
Kind of how I felt also Danny. While enjoyable and funny, it was also a bit disappointing as it seemed to change Thor's character so much. Not that I'm a strong purist, I just found that it was more of a comic (and cosmic) Superhero road trip that felt a little out of place is the Universe that Marvel has created. I wouldn't want all the Marvel movies to follow this style. (Not that I think they will. Black Panther looks much closer to the tone of "The Winter Soldier" than "Thor: Ragnarok", which I think is a good thing.)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 10, 2017 02:54PM)
I'm looking forward to Black Panther.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 12, 2017 01:07AM)
The Zatanna story that you refer to was the ending to a very long quest to find her missing father. The way it was presented was very unusual for that time because she made many unexpected appearances in different magazines from The Atom to Green Lantern. The novelty was that in her Continuing-Quest, you would never know in which magazines she would suddenly appear.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 16, 2017 09:29AM)
Tonight I will see the justice league movie. I have been waiting for this film to be made since 1977. (no lie) After the first Superman film came out, and touted, "You will believe a man can fly!" I did. and I waited and waited for my favorite comic book, "The Justice League of America," to become a movie.

That probably means my expectations are too high. Oh well, I am expected to be entertained. I am sure I will get that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 16, 2017 10:49AM)
I read Rotten Tomatos is holding their review. Not sure why.

I am leaving for the Dominican Republic at 11 tonight and seeing this movie at 6 before I go.

It only has a 2 hour run time which alone encourages me.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Nov 16, 2017 10:57AM)
Early reviews are mixed, but everyone agrees Gal Godot was great again.

Have a great trip Danny. Don't drink the water :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 16, 2017 12:03PM)
She always is. Her hair is different this movie I think.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 16, 2017 12:27PM)
Rotten Tomatoes Senior Movie Editor Grae Drake was interviewed on the radio this morning. She spoke highly of the Justice League movie.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 16, 2017 12:41PM)
[quote]On Nov 10, 2017, rockwall wrote:
Kind of how I felt also Danny. While enjoyable and funny, it was also a bit disappointing as it seemed to change Thor's character so much. Not that I'm a strong purist, I just found that it was more of a comic (and cosmic) Superhero road trip that felt a little out of place is the Universe that Marvel has created. I wouldn't want all the Marvel movies to follow this style. (Not that I think they will. Black Panther looks much closer to the tone of "The Winter Soldier" than "Thor: Ragnarok", which I think is a good thing.) [/quote]

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1725160/why-the-future-of-the-mcu-will-probably-look-like-thor-ragnarok

While I really, really liked Guardians of the Galaxy and I thought Thor Ragnarok was a bit of fun, I REALLY don't want this comic tone to become the standard in Marvel movies. If this article's predictions are right, I may be disappointed in the future of Marvel.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 16, 2017 12:52PM)
[quote]On Nov 16, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
She always is. Her hair is different this movie I think. [/quote]

[quote]On Nov 16, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Early reviews are mixed, but everyone agrees Gal Godot was great again.

Have a great trip Danny. Don't drink the water :) [/quote]

And apparently pregnant while filming and had to work out a system to be sick between takes.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1726161/gal-gadot-was-pregnant-and-worked-out-a-system-for-vomiting-on-the-justice-league-set

"And then every cut I had to go and run and vomit somewhere. So, I had an assistant with a bucket and she was to put other stuff in the bucket so other people thought that instead of having a bag she had a bucket. That made sense... And once I was so loud and I didn't make it to the restroom in the trailer, so I was vomiting. It was so loud, I'm so sorry, this is disgusting. And she [sang], 'Aww Ah Ah,' so that no one could hear me."

Let's see, she's had romances with Batman, Aquaman, AND Superman. (among others) I wonder which one is the daddy? :goof:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 16, 2017 01:25PM)
[quote]On Nov 16, 2017, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Nov 10, 2017, rockwall wrote:
Kind of how I felt also Danny. While enjoyable and funny, it was also a bit disappointing as it seemed to change Thor's character so much. Not that I'm a strong purist, I just found that it was more of a comic (and cosmic) Superhero road trip that felt a little out of place is the Universe that Marvel has created. I wouldn't want all the Marvel movies to follow this style. (Not that I think they will. Black Panther looks much closer to the tone of "The Winter Soldier" than "Thor: Ragnarok", which I think is a good thing.) [/quote]

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1725160/why-the-future-of-the-mcu-will-probably-look-like-thor-ragnarok

While I really, really liked Guardians of the Galaxy and I thought Thor Ragnarok was a bit of fun, I REALLY don't want this comic tone to become the standard in Marvel movies. If this article's predictions are right, I may be disappointed in the future of Marvel. [/quote]

The other thing that war odd to me is the talking joking Hulk. Speaks 1 word, then 2 years later not in earth he is introspective? That was really bothersome.

I think the goal was a sort of "buddy cop" movie. Which I will say they kind of hit the mark. But the change had been on the way. Even the Disney XD Avengers series it started.

Marvel cinema has never been a slave to story line as it exists so we will see. I am always interested in the reimagining of charectors.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 16, 2017 08:25PM)
I think the Hulk could speak so much better because he had basically been the Hulk for 2 years without ever changing back to Banner. I actually find this really interesting and apparently, they have an interesting storyline about the Hulk built into the next couple of movies. I wouldn't be surprised if they have his and Banner's character begin to merge somewhat like they have done at times in the comics.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 16, 2017 10:15PM)
Justice League got applause. It was not a bass effort. More later when others have seen.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 17, 2017 09:14AM)
Last night I saw the Justice League film.

I went out of my way not to read reviews or critiques prior as I like to make up my own mind.

Most reviewers give it a big thumbs down. Most critiques seem overly critical of it. (most film critics are not comic book readers or collectors)

Lets remember something though... This is a comic book movie. Comic book fans want to see the book brought to life when they go to a movie like this. In my mind, they producers/director/actors pulled it off brilliantly. I loved the film! My daughter did too. (it pleases me no end that my 18 year old daughter told me she likes to go out with her friends, but superhero movies are reserved for she and I.)

Can I find fault with the movie? Sure, if I wanted to do that. I am a scientist after all. I have an analytical mind and I can analyze most things to death, but why would I? Why not just sit back and enjoy my favorites all together for the first real live action film? I have loved the Justice League since 1972, and had back collected all the stories to the beginning. for me this worked.

If you want to criticize the movie, go ahead and do that. It will be your opinion, just as this is mine.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Nov 17, 2017 10:06AM)
Bad effort sorry. In my above post.

Personally I enjoyed myself. I thought the charectors intersected great and it wasn't very forced. It didn't have the build Avengers did before the movie.

Jeremy Irons is a great Alfred. Ben Affleck was good also. Flash was interesting and W squared was cool. I even liked the Aquaman take. Many have will and are hating it though.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Nov 17, 2017 07:43PM)
By golly,Cliff, it's so nice that your daughter loves watching superhero movies with you only. Happy for you that you have such a close bonding with your daughter. Does she collect comics too?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 18, 2017 01:33PM)
The answer about my daughter is a double edged sword. No, sadly she neither reads nor collects comic books. Bad news, it is a strong aspect of my past that she does not share. Good news, I remember how much time money and energy I put into my collection back in the 70's and 80's.

The sharing of the movies is fine and enough...
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 21, 2017 04:00PM)
Personally, thought it was better than Suicide Squad, much worse than Wonder Woman and on a par or a little worse than Superman V Batman.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 28, 2017 12:01PM)
Interesting comment from Marvel President Kevin Feige recently.

"[Marvel is] 22 movies in, and we've got another 20 movies on the docket that are completely different from anything that's come before---intentionally."

What's interesting to me is that in those 20 upcoming movies, there probably won't be many more with several of the current starts. I wouldn't be surprised if after Infinity Wars we won't be seeing much of Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans and bunch of the other current stars.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Nov 28, 2017 02:50PM)
Fascinating announcement Rockwall. Is there a link to the interview where he said that?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Nov 28, 2017 06:31PM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2017, rockwall wrote:
Interesting comment from Marvel President Kevin Feige recently.

"[Marvel is] 22 movies in, and we've got another 20 movies on the docket that are completely different from anything that's come before---intentionally."

What's interesting to me is that in those 20 upcoming movies, there probably won't be many more with several of the current starts. I wouldn't be surprised if after Infinity Wars we won't be seeing much of Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans and bunch of the other current stars. [/quote]

[quote]On Nov 28, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Fascinating announcement Rockwall. Is there a link to the interview where he said that? [/quote]

I also saw this.

Vanity Fair just came out with an article (Marvel Cover Story - "Secrets of the Marvel Universe"), and it's been repeated on other websites in a condensed form.

The quote about the future movies is towards the end of the article.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/marvel-cover-story

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Nov 29, 2017 11:38AM)
Oh yeah baby! Avengers Infinity War trailer has finally dropped!

[youtube]B65hW9YYY5A[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 2, 2017 08:01PM)
Discrepancy of the Elongated Man on the CW series is that bullets cannot penetrate him. Instead,Invulnerability would apply only to Plastic Man but certainly [i]not[/i] to the Elongated Man because in the comics he has to always dodge those bullets.
In comparison, Plastic Man has been clearly established as Immortal because his body is constantly fluid or at least semi-fluid. In that perpetual state of fluidity, he cannot be killed.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 4, 2017 08:18AM)
The writers may be confusing EM with PM. Just because they’re writing a series about comic book characters doesn’t mean they KNOW anything about comic book characters!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 4, 2017 09:03AM)
I actually think it makes sense. EM was never shown to be bullet proof, but the chances on him regularly being fast enough on the stretch to dodge consistently are slim. PM would often change shape unexpectly when hit with an outside force, and Reed Richards can deflect bullets if he is ready for them. I like the special effects of it too!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 9, 2017 03:58PM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
and Reed Richards can deflect bullets if he is ready for them. [/quote]
Actually the very first time I saw a bizarre bullet -deflection was in the X-Men when they first encountered the mutant, the [i]Blob[/i]. I don't know whether to call it super- flab or protoplasmic, but the way his bullet deflection works
is that when he gets shot at, the bullets first [i]imbed[/i] themselves in his body, after which they can be propelled outward.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 9, 2017 07:27PM)
Admittedly it is with some bias that I saw the Justice League movie. Because the only character I like is the Flash so that was the sole reason for my attendance. Much as I hate to say it, I was disappointed at the way the Flash was depicted. Same reason why the Flash TVseries disappoints me. The only reason I resumed watching the TVseries again is due to the addition of the Elongated Man.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Dec 10, 2017 01:53PM)
I think a big reason for Marvel's success over DC's is how true to their characters Marvel has mostly been. Watch the first Ironman, Captain America, Thor. The actors they chose and how they portrayed the characters brought the characters we all knew and loved alive. Robert Downey Jr. WAS Ironman. Chris Hemsworth WAS Thor. Chris Evans WAS Captain America.

Then look at DC. While I don't hate Justice League, Flash and Aquaman are NOT the characters I knew from the comics. They are interesting takes on the characters but definitely not the characters we grew up with. Batman and Superman are close but both have problems. Wonder Woman was probably the best representation of who we remember as Wonder Woman and not surprisingly, critically the most successful of the DC movies.

While the latest Spiderman may not have made the most money, (and that could easily be attributed to Spiderman fatigue after all the previous movies), it was a huge hit with the critics and fans who wanted to see Spiderman portrayed as they remembered him.

There are exceptions to the rule. The latest Thor certainly changed Thor's character in ways that don't ring true to Thor canon but I think that for the most part you can say that Marvel has done a much better job of nailing the characters and not trying to 're-imagine' all of them.

There are probably a ton of other reasons why Marvel has been so much more successful but I think this is a big one.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Dec 10, 2017 01:54PM)
Well put Rockwall.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 10, 2017 03:05PM)
I think one reason that aligns with Rockwall's point is they have a better overall plan as well.

To have a 40 year old Batman and a new Flash is odd. All the movies in the MCU seem more cohesive to me. They seem to know how they want them to fit together. DC seems to want to go with the wind.

It will be interesting when Cap and Iron Man leave and if they are replaced how that works.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 10, 2017 09:44PM)
When you stop to think about it D.C. has been playing catch up since Amazing Fantasy #15.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 11, 2017 02:18PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
When you stop to think about it D.C. has been playing catch up since Amazing Fantasy #15. [/quote]

That's where Spiderman was introduced?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 11, 2017 07:44PM)
Yep.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 16, 2017 07:39PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
When you stop to think about it D.C. has been playing catch up since Amazing Fantasy #15. [/quote]
Actually, DC was still going strong during that time, with both Justice League and The Flash. The way I see it, the point at which Marvel overtook DC was when Chris Claremont began writing for the X-Men. At that point, the X-Men became so popular that it resulted in many spin-offs such as the X Factor, the New Mutants, the X-Force, etc.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 16, 2017 08:52PM)
DC was still a force of course, but they were entrenched; and not really connected to the reader at the time.

Stan Lee really did something marvelous by introducing characters that readers were able to relate to; powerful, but vulnerable.
Add Jack Kirby - and it was over.

By the time I got into the business in 1981 Marvel ruled everything.
Back issues? If you had DC then you'd have to bring them in; but I'd go anywhere for a good collection of Marvels.

My order for new books was always like 75% Marvel, with the rest spread between DC, independents, and specialty items.

I agree that Claremont and Byrne's X-men was a big level jump, but it just increased a huge lead.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Dec 17, 2017 10:35AM)
Cliff clears his throat and looks around quietly....

Anybody remember the day in June of 1938 when National Periodical Publications premiered "Superman" in Action Comics #1.

Timely Comics soon came on strong and fast. They brought out such greats as The Human Torch, (Who by the way wasn't originally human) Namor, and their star... Captain America.

Today of course they are DC and Marvel. But it seems to me that all the comic book companies have DC to thank for starting the ball rolling.

Trivia question: How many comic books can you name that have been published without a break since the early 1940's? (Not counting re-boots as a break, I can think of maybe five)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 17, 2017 06:26PM)
Speaking of the Original Human Torch, I loved that you could see him in a cameo in the first Captain America movie, which was a great injoke in that Chris Evans played the Human Torch (not THAT one, but the Human Torch nonetheless).
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Dec 17, 2017 08:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Cliff clears his throat and looks around quietly....

Anybody remember the day in June of 1938 when National Periodical Publications premiered "Superman" in Action Comics #1.

Timely Comics soon came on strong and fast. They brought out such greats as The Human Torch, (Who by the way wasn't originally human) Namor, and their star... Captain America.

Today of course they are DC and Marvel. But it seems to me that all the comic book companies have DC to thank for starting the ball rolling.

Trivia question: How many comic books can you name that have been published without a break since the early 1940's? (Not counting re-boots as a break, I can think of maybe five) [/quote]

I totally agree that DC got things going with the Superhero genre, but my point is that DC didn't react properly to the cultural shift that was occurring.

Because, as you said, they were largely responsible for the Superhero genre and were pretty dominant up to that point, there characters were iconic, and largely unrelatable.

Superman was TOO super for the time, while Spider-man was a neurotic teenager.

It's not any inherent flaw on DC's part, it's just that Marvel was creating itself during a time of great change, and they could go with the flow; while DC had their lore to follow.

As a side note; Batman, DC's most "human" character, was always my biggest seller.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 23, 2017 08:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Cliff clears his throat and looks around quietly....

Anybody remember the day in June of 1938 when National Periodical Publications premiered "Superman" in Action Comics #1.

Timely Comics soon came on strong and fast. They brought out such greats as The Human Torch, (Who by the way wasn't originally human) Namor, and their star... Captain America.

Today of course they are DC and Marvel. But it seems to me that all the comic book companies have DC to thank for starting the ball rolling.

Trivia question: How many comic books can you name that have been published without a break since the early 1940's? (Not counting re-boots as a break, I can think of maybe five) [/quote]

As a side note; Batman, DC's most "human" character, was always my biggest seller. [/quote]

Yes, the biggest seller at your shop, which confirms my point about DC's dominance during the time. Also the same point could be made of Superman because he had so many successful spin-off titles such as Jimmy Olsen's comic and Lois Lane comic and even World's Finest comic which teamed him up with Batman. To have spin-offs which lasted that many years,shows the character's enduring popularity.

Much as I acknowledge the popularity of those two characters, it's certainly ironic that I hardly bought those comics, if at all. Instead I preferred buying the Flash, and the Justice League, and the Doom Patrol. And oh, The Atom too.

In fact,the popularity of the Adam West TV show created an annoyance for me from the Batman. Because when the TV series took America by storm, the comics followed suit by featuring Batman much too prominently on the Justice League covers as compared with previously when all of the heroes were shown equally. In fact, it got so disgusting that Batman dominated the Justice League covers so much that in one issue the cover prominently showed him battling an Antimatter-alien when in fact he never battled the alien at all in the story itself. Instead it was The Spectre who confronted the alien. So stupidly disgusting to show a totally [i]misleading[/i] cover just to capitalize on the Adam West series.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Dec 30, 2017 07:41PM)
Just for the record, it was the cover of Justice League #47, so you can see the point I was trying to make.
In spite of that flaw, that issue is one of the best stories of the Justice League, with the high point being Spectre encountering the Antimatter Alien. What makes it the high point is that it's the first time I've ever seen a situation where a Ghost clashes with an Antimatter being. Fascinating the bizarre effects that the Spectre experiences in that clash. And certainly innovative because I've never seen such a situation in any media yet.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 7, 2018 10:27AM)
In addition to the aforementioned Spectre, another ghostly DC character was the villain Gentleman Jim Craddock the Gentleman Ghost. He's easily noticeable because he is seen as just disembodied garments with a floating top hat. What I find contradictory is that even though he is obviously intangible, he can still hold a flintlock pistol and fire it. A more believable and more plausible story using intangibility was the JL story "Challenge of the Untouchable Aliens." In the case of the Gentleman Ghost the contradiction is never explained whereas in the story of the JL aliens, they come from an extra-dimensional world where the paradox is explained as a time differential. They were destroying certain landmarks here on our Earth because they had scientifically predetermined that when some of their interdimensional cities coincided at the same times with the locations of certain cities on Earth that it would result in the destruction of the alien cities. So for self-preservation they attempted to destroy the Earth cities in those coinciding locations.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 7, 2018 12:27PM)
Remember that the shadow thief had special shadow gloves that he wore to touch (and steel) tangible objects. The fact that Craddock's hat stayed on his head. or that his clothes remained on his body are proof that he has some control over his intangibility. Did anyone ever punch the Craddock? Did they hit their target or pass through.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jan 11, 2018 11:36PM)
I got to thinking about the Marvel Movie universe and started wondering what they will do when various actors retire from their recognized role. Will they replace them with a new actor playing the same part, will they retire the character, or will they have the character pass the mantle on to a new character (and actor)?

Personally, I think it unlikely that they have a new actor play the same character. It may happen occasionally, (like with The Hulk), but I don't think they will have a different actor play Ironman, Captain America, or Thor. I think it more likely that if any of those heroes continue, they will continue as a new character, like Bucky becoming Captain America, or a female becoming Thor. (Like the comics have done).

What say you?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 11, 2018 11:55PM)
I just read where The Black Widow is getting a movie finally. Hope that is true.

I think it would be better to have different characters play them as you suggest or bring in other heros entirely. There is a rich history to pull from.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 14, 2018 05:42PM)
In answer to Cliff, I know hardly anything about the Gentleman Ghost's nature so I cannot answer about his physical contact. Glad, though, that Cliff added the Shadow Thief. Because with the Shadow Thief, it has a plausible explanation with his special gloves, so he could exist as [i]only[/i] a shadow in our world, while at the same time his physical body exists in an adjacent dimension. Under that condition, his shadow was not limited to being seen on just the ground or against a wall but could exist in mid-air.
I have his first appearance only, but have never seen the second appearance in the Hawkman magazine. To make up for that, I have the time he made a surprise appearance in the Justice League comic where he fought the Flash. This time,a new wrinkle was added because he could make Flash's own shadow attack The Flash. What the Flash did was vibrate so all the light would pass through him, thereby dissipating his shadow. I don't know if Cliff has that issue. He says he completed his Justice League collection, but I'm guessing he refers to just the 1960's. Whereas the aforesaid story I mentioned, appeared in the 1970s. If Cliff's collection is confined to just the 1960s, I certainly understand as most of the best stories came from that decade, what with Gardner Fox writing those issues.
While we're at it about shadows, let me add another story by Gardner Fox. It was an Adam Strange story from [i]Mystery in Space[/i] comics where the villain could make Adam's own shadow attack him. Maybe the writer of the Justice League story borrowed the shadow idea from the Adam Strange story. The difference is that in the Adam Strange story, each shadow could attack from only particular locations where the villain had set the traps. Each shadow would get animated when Adam happened to physically come near each trap, thereby triggering off the respective trap.
I don't think Cliff has those Mystery in Space issues because I get the impression that he concentrated on just the Justice League. In that case,I'm sure he has the Justice League issue where Adam made a Guest-appearance.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 14, 2018 06:16PM)
I used to like Adam Strange, but the Mystery in Space title was before I started collecting, so my experience with him is limited to his Justice League appearances and the odd reprint.

Ah, Gardner Fox. An incredibly 2-dimensional writer, but boy could he tell a good comic story.

So, yes I remember the Adam Strange story JLA. There was one other Justice League story from late 70's I think that featured Mister Freeze, Captain Cold, and an old Wonder Woman foe Minister Blizzard. The Earth was being covered by ice and everyone was blaming the cold based villains.

Turned out that it was The Shadow Thief all along and using his abilities opened up dimensions and was freezing the Earth. On the first read through, I missed the Shadow Thief's repeated image on the wall. second read it was obvious.

Note: My JLA collection went from the first issue in 1961 to the mid 1990's. (I started reading/collecting comic books in 1973 and back collected the JLA as it was my favorite at the time.)
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jan 16, 2018 12:07PM)
Recently, they announced a change in release dates for some of the upcoming X-Men related movies (the Marvel movies from 20th Century Fox).

http://collider.com/deadpool-2-new-mutants-gambit-release-date/

"Deadpool 2" got moved up by a couple of weeks. Now in May 2018, instead of early June.

"X-Men: The Dark Phoenix" is still November 2018.

"The New Mutants" got pushed back to February 2019. It was supposed to be released in April 2018.

"Gambit" is supposed to be released in June 2019, but another director left the project just this week. From what I've read online, filming hadn't started yet for the project.

More in the article I linked to.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jan 16, 2018 02:29PM)
Wow, that's a big change for New Mutants when it's already got teaser videos out of it. Wonder what happened with it. Gambit has had quite a troubled history also. Makes you wonder if it will ever actually make it out.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 17, 2018 09:01AM)
Anyone see the 1st episode of Black Lightning? I don't want to spoil anything for those of you who recorded it and have yet to watch, but I really liked the show. I am wonder, is this the first TV show to center on a minority family that is not a sit-com? Bill Cosby showed us a family 25 years ago or so, where Dad was a doctor and Mom was a lawyer, and while there were certainly some strong family value on that show, it was still at its' heart, a sit-com.

Here we see a real man, dealing with real inner city problems; mostly handling them well. With that at the heart of the show, I predict it will do well.

Another nice point is that the protagonist is not a 20 something trying to balance super heroics against relationship issues. He is a 30 something professional trying to balance his life. I have high hopes.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jan 17, 2018 09:18AM)
I saw it, and liked it even though I never read the books.

It seems like it can be really good.

The CW is doing a good job with the properties they have so far, imo.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jan 21, 2018 04:54PM)
Maybe we'll see Al Pacino as a villain in an upcoming Marvel movie. Apparently, he loved "Galaxy of the Gate", or something like that.

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Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jan 28, 2018 01:06PM)
Now that Rockwall mentioned Al Pacino, I recall when some fans used to think that Al Pacino would have been ideal for the role of Wolverine. Of course that was many years ago, as Pacino is much too old now.

Another good one would have been Russell Johnson as the elastic Reed Richards.

And how about the villainous Baron Mordo played by John Colicos? Facially it's so striking a resemblance. Even his voice too, or at least how I myself imagined his voice would sound like when I used to read the series.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 28, 2018 02:05PM)
He would have made a HORRIBLE Wolverine even when he was the right age.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jan 29, 2018 09:53AM)
Colicos would have been as perfect for Mordo as Cumberbatch was for Dr. Strange.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jan 30, 2018 09:07AM)
A new trailer is out for "Ant-Man and the Wasp" (release date is July 6/18 in North America).

There are also trailers out right now for "Black Panther" (release date is February 16/18 in North America) and "Avengers: Infinity War" (release date is May 4/18 in North America).

- Donald

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Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jan 30, 2018 02:54PM)
The new poster for AntMan and the Wasp is pretty funny.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 3, 2018 05:08PM)
I like DC. I have been a DC fan since 1973.

Honestly I think they are cheating.

Barely two weeks before Antman blew up to giant size in Civil War, Ray palmer grew to giant size on DC legends of tomorrow.
Now in the new Antman and the Wasp trailer, Michael Douglas shrinks a building. This week on The Flash, the villain shrank a building.

Does DC get the movies scripts and then jump the gun?
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Feb 3, 2018 05:28PM)
Yesterday I tried watching [b]Batman vs. Superman[/b] on HBO (which we get for free for a month for some reason).

I started falling asleep.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 4, 2018 07:11PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
I like DC. I have been a DC fan since 1973.

Honestly I think they are cheating.

Barely two weeks before Antman blew up to giant size in Civil War, Ray palmer grew to giant size on DC legends of tomorrow.
Now in the new Antman and the Wasp trailer, Michael Douglas shrinks a building. This week on The Flash, the villain shrank a building.

Does DC get the movies scripts and then jump the gun? [/quote]

By golly,Cliff,those are strange coincidences, too close for comfort. Reminds me of how the 1960s [b]X-Men[/b] debuted only one or two months after the debut of DC's [b]Doom Patrol[/b]. Both teams had a team leader who was confined to a wheelchair, and both teams are famous for having characters whose superpowers make them Outcasts.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 4, 2018 08:21PM)
Spot on Orville, except The Chief had a full head of hair!
(Ten brownie points if you remember "The Chief's" name without looking it up....
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 5, 2018 06:03AM)
S2000 - yeah, that film sucked. You can't beat the MCU, both films and TV, for supers. DCU has fallen way behind now :(. Oh well. Batman is better as a TV show, imho.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2018 02:25PM)
[quote]On Feb 3, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
I like DC. I have been a DC fan since 1973.

Honestly I think they are cheating.

Barely two weeks before Antman blew up to giant size in Civil War, Ray palmer grew to giant size on DC legends of tomorrow.
Now in the new Antman and the Wasp trailer, Michael Douglas shrinks a building. This week on The Flash, the villain shrank a building.

Does DC get the movies scripts and then jump the gun? [/quote]

You might like this opinion piece (from January 2017):

https://www.cbr.com/15-times-arrowverse-copied-marvel-movies/

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Feb 7, 2018 05:42PM)
‘Black Panther’ has a 100% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/black-panther-100-fresh-rating-rotten-tomatoes-article-1.3805160

"That impeccable fresh rating is made up of 74 reviews at this point. "Black Panther" would be the first of the 18 films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe to boast a perfect score if it's able to maintain that rating as more reviews come in."
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Feb 7, 2018 05:44PM)
Hah! As of review #76, the Tomatometer has dropped to 99% fresh!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 7, 2018 05:58PM)
I'm suspicious of any film that would get 100%.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Feb 8, 2018 11:14AM)
Well 100% doesn't 'really' mean a perfect score in regards to Rotten Tomatoes. It just means no scores under 60%. A movie could get 10 reviews, all between 60% and 70% say, and still get a 100% score. The tomatoemeter basically distills everything down to either 'Fresh' (>=60%) or 'Rotten' (<60%).
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 8, 2018 09:06PM)
To take this back to the main question; my kid suggests if DC wants to be taken seriously, they shoul sack the entire studio and put the animated team in charge of the DCCU! With a few shaky elements(I’m looking at YOU, “Killing Joke,”) they’ve had a much better track record than the live action films.

I feel, and my daughter strongly disagrees, that Zack Snyder is wrong for the DC universe. He doesn’t seem to like super heroes. He likes the CONCEPT of the hero, but only if he can deconstruct it. So we very a brooding Superman who causes massive damage and has to kill his main enemy and a sadistic Batman who brands enemies!
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 9, 2018 07:45AM)
Superman is a problem for DC, imho. First, because he's simply too OP - the amount of real conflict is limited, thus story arcs are likewise limited and fairly predictable. Second, because to be true to the character he has to be pretty moral and vanilla - the brooding stuff just doesn't work (it's like making Cap America a Nazi - it's just wrong) - which would be fine if Hollywood was ok with white-hat heroes and could resist the urge to make everyone/everything a shade of grey.

I think Justice League heroes would work better as TV shows (a la Luke Cage, Defenders etc). I also think the same about Marvel's X-Men, but hey ho.

DC has some fun villains, and it has Batman, but I always tended to prefer Marvel heroes tbh.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 9, 2018 11:14AM)
I said it earlier any charectors that are too powerful are not relatable and Sups qualified without doubt. What can threaten him in a compelling way that isn't smart enough to use Kryptonite. It is a tough story to regularly tell.

Tony Stark is a drunk. Thor has daddy issues, even the Hulk is relatively brainless. Flaws abound in these guys. Heck look at the Guardians. All flawed and it is what makes them relatable.

Sups has always been carried by his opponent. From day one he needs a compelling opponent to be interesting.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 9, 2018 12:37PM)
Actually, the superman who premiered in Action Comics #1 could "leap an 8th of a mile (660 feet) and nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." This character could have been interesting. Imagine not worrying about bullets, but having a hard time with robots or powered villains, and taking real injuries at times. This is where Marvel shines brightest; their characters may have fantastic powers, but they are not gods and they are not without vulnerabilities.

Look at Green Lantern. For years every crook he faced would wear, by nothing more than dumb luck, a yellow suit. Some of his arch enemies would do so on purpose. A much better way to have gone would be to limit GL's will power. Mental strain getting tired etc. The bigger the construct the more will to hold it etc. That would have resulted in GL coming up with ways to fight for a quick victory, and showing wear when he can't.

For a good example of this, read Jim Butcher's early Dresden books. Wizard detective Harry Dresden runs out of juice after a few strong spells. Then he must rest and recuperate.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 9, 2018 12:55PM)
Wasn't the original Green Lantern vulnerable to wood?

And having to recharge his ring was his weakest spot.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 9, 2018 09:44PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Actually, the superman who premiered in Action Comics #1 could "leap an 8th of a mile (660 feet) and nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." This character could have been interesting. Imagine not worrying about bullets, but having a hard time with robots or powered villains, and taking real injuries at times. This is where Marvel shines brightest; their characters may have fantastic powers, but they are not gods and they are not without vulnerabilities.
[/quote]

I think Action Comics tried to bring this character back. "Clark Kent" was super strong, but not invulnerable. His "Superman" outfit was a pair of jeans, a t-shirt (with the "S" logo, I don't know where it came from) and a cape from his rocket. (Which he finds later when kidnapped by Lex Luthor, it's talking in Kryptonese and he tells it to wait for him to come back.) He gets badly bruised by rocks (that, fairly, would have killed a normal man) and passes it off to his landlady as being beaten up by thugs he exposed in his news story. I don't think it ended well for him.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Feb 11, 2018 01:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Actually, the superman who premiered in Action Comics #1 could "leap an 8th of a mile (660 feet) and nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." This character could have been interesting. Imagine not worrying about bullets, but having a hard time with robots or powered villains, and taking real injuries at times. This is where Marvel shines brightest; their characters may have fantastic powers, but they are not gods and they are not without vulnerabilities.
[/quote]

I think Action Comics tried to bring this character back. "Clark Kent" was super strong, but not invulnerable. His "Superman" outfit was a pair of jeans, a t-shirt (with the "S" logo, I don't know where it came from) and a cape from his rocket. (Which he finds later when kidnapped by Lex Luthor, it's talking in Kryptonese and he tells it to wait for him to come back.) He gets badly bruised by rocks (that, fairly, would have killed a normal man) and passes it off to his landlady as being beaten up by thugs he exposed in his news story. I don't think it ended well for him. [/quote]

It's not only Kryptonite. He has other additional weaknesses such as to Occult-magic and also Red Sun rays, that is, if he goes to any other planet that orbits a Red Sun.

While I'm at it about alien Suns, it reminds me of a Charlton comics story where astronauts landed on a planet orbiting a Binary. Binary being a system that has two Suns. (Incidentally, there are binaries in Real life too.) In the story, one Sun was red and one was blue. Depending on which Sun happened to be prominent at a particular time in the orbit, the native inhabitants alternated between warlike and peaceful.

Superman's other weakness is to Occult-magic. That's why in one issue, Dracula managed to bite Superman's invulnerable neck. As a result, Superman became a vampire too.

Getting back to the Red Sun weakness, it reminds me of a story when he was the teenage Superboy. He fought against a villain called the Persuader who wielded a special battle ax, an Atomic Ax. When Superboy leaped at the Persuader, the villain swung his Ax at him. The Ax missed as it cleaved the air above Superboy.
Then suddenly, to Superboy's horror, Superboy found himself fall to the ground helpless and powerless. Then the Persuader explained that the Ax swing was not a miss at all. Instead,the Ax being a special Atomic Ax, slicing the air above Superboy cut off the Rays from the [i]Yellow[/i] Sun which gives Superboy his powers on Earth.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Feb 17, 2018 01:16PM)
Black Panther.

See it.

If Marvel keeps this up, DC will never catch up.

:)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Feb 17, 2018 01:32PM)
Marvel has been doing very well since casting Iron Man and putting in the hi-definition eye candy.

Glad to read their latest is a fun watch.

:)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Feb 19, 2018 01:14PM)
Maybe I'm finally suffering from Super Hero fatigue but I thought Black Panther was just so so. Of course, I haven't been thrilled by a super hero movie since the first Guardians.

If I was to rank Black Panther, I'd probably put it somewhere near the bottom of the top 10.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 19, 2018 04:59PM)
Just saw the Black Panther. The problem with that movie is that it was very different from the mold of a lot of the marvel films. On its' own merit it was an excellent film. compared with the others it did not rate quite as high in my book. I still liked the film. I still think DC has a long hard road. I liked the Justice League movie, but it does not stand up to Marvel's work.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 4, 2018 04:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 4, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Spot on Orville, except The Chief had a full head of hair! [/quote]

And a full beard too! While we're at it,what did you think of Grant Morrison's treatment of the Doom Patrol? My criticism is that his treatment was too drastic an interpretation of Negative Man. Because he showed the non-corporeal entity as an actual sentient being separate from Larry. Quite the contrary, the way I see it, it was clearly established during the 1960's that the non-corporeal was Larry's id, as in the id of Sigmund Freud.Namely,the ego, the superego, and the id. That was shown the most tellingly in the issue "the night Negative Man went Berserk" where the entity was Unable to return to Larry's physical body. To add to that, the Chief even stated that the entity is totally mindless. Clearly, Larry has to be in conscious control of the entity in order for it to function properly.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 4, 2018 07:47PM)
Not much to add to what you said Orville, I agree with your completely.Having Larry injured or out cold with Negative man out of him was a problem and should be. Negative man is just energy. Remember I am old school and a purist.

I do like the idea of the doom patrol having to deal with who they are. Of the original 3 only Rita (elasti-girl) could put on street clothes and pretend to be like everyone else. What would life be like if you had fantastic abilities but could never look normal again. While it is good to address that, too much of it gets too dark, and the DP was never meant to be anything other than light hearted.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 17, 2018 12:53PM)
Oh my goodness.

The latest Avengers Infinity War trailer has me super stoked for the movie. And also worried about who might die. I think it definitely points to potential deaths of some of our favorite Marvel super heroes.

[youtube]i3PhCXoSh-Q[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 18, 2018 08:36AM)
I still say it sucks that they might kill a character for the reason that the actor who plays him has their contract expiring. I hope that is not the driving force behind that.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 18, 2018 08:36AM)
On the other hand the trailer looks great.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 19, 2018 05:03PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
I still say it sucks that they might kill a character for the reason that the actor who plays him has their contract expiring. I hope that is not the driving force behind that. [/quote]

That's a good point and I guess I wouldn't want that to be the driving reason. One thing about the Marvel Universe, the actors have really become the iconic 'person' for those roles. It's hard to imagine anyone by Robert Downey Jr or Chris Evans playing Ironman and Capt America respectively. I do think that for the movies at least, they want to show how powerful Thanos really is by having him actually kill someone and creating that type of emotional impact. The fact that contracts are ending, certainly helps with that decision.

Interesting note. I just saw that Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans are both listed as being in the 2019 Avengers movie.
Interesting note 2. Counting the 2019 Avengers movie, Both Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans have appeared as their characters in a total of 10 Marvel movies since 2008. That is probably a record for someone appearing as a superhero in a series of movie pictures. That's a big part of the reason they are much more iconic as Ironman and Captain America than say any of the actors playing Batman have ever been.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Mar 20, 2018 12:12PM)
Just finished watching "Jessica Jones" season 2. I felt it was high quality and well done like all the Marvel TV shows are.

Unfortunately, it left me feeling rather sad. I know it was supposed to do that, but the idea the people who selflessly help others can't have their own happy endings is a real downer.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Mar 31, 2018 07:43PM)
[quote]On Mar 20, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Just finished watching "Jessica Jones" season 2. I felt it was high quality and well done like all the Marvel TV shows are.

Unfortunately, it left me feeling rather sad. I know it was supposed to do that, but the idea the people who selflessly help others can't have their own happy endings is a real downer. [/quote]
To add to what Cliff said, that's why I seldom buy current comics nowadays. Because so many characters get killed off.

Not buying the current ones but still keep buying, that is to say, I've been buying reprints of the Golden Age. The most recent reprint-volume I bought was the Golden Age Human Torch which is interesting because he's an Android as compared to Johnny Storm.
The way I see it, the Android is just like combining the Frankenstein idea with Superhero. Because the Android is of course man-made but at first his flaming-body makes him a menace. This man-made menace is what makes him like a Frankenstein monster.
I found its combination very enjoyable because in comparison the original Frankenstein used to [i]bore[/i] me. But combining the boring idea with the superhero makes it very interesting.
To add to the initial menace, the Android's emotions would sometimes make him burst into flames inadvertently. So in order to control his flames, he had to learn to control his emotions. Seen in that light, I much prefer the Android Torch rather than Johnny Storm. Because Johnny was much too arrogant.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 31, 2018 07:59PM)
Frankenstein's creature as superhero..
Interesting. Thanks :)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 3, 2018 07:22PM)
[quote]On Mar 31, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Mar 20, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Just finished watching "Jessica Jones" season 2. I felt it was high quality and well done like all the Marvel TV shows are.

Unfortunately, it left me feeling rather sad. I know it was supposed to do that, but the idea the people who selflessly help others can't have their own happy endings is a real downer. [/quote]
To add to what Cliff said, that's why I seldom buy current comics nowadays. Because so many characters get killed off.

Not buying the current ones but still keep buying, that is to say, I've been buying reprints of the Golden Age. The most recent reprint-volume I bought was the Golden Age Human Torch which is interesting because he's an Android as compared to Johnny Storm.
The way I see it, the Android is just like combining the Frankenstein idea with Superhero. Because the Android is of course man-made but at first his flaming-body makes him a menace. This man-made menace is what makes him like a Frankenstein monster.
I found its combination very enjoyable because in comparison the original Frankenstein used to [i]bore[/i] me. But combining the boring idea with the superhero makes it very interesting.
To add to the initial menace, the Android's emotions would sometimes make him burst into flames inadvertently. So in order to control his flames, he had to learn to control his emotions. Seen in that light, I much prefer the Android Torch rather than Johnny Storm. Because Johnny was much too arrogant. [/quote]

Did you catch the cameo in "Captain America - The First Avenger"? At the "World's Fair," you can see a what's clearly the "Original Human Torch" under a tube with a sign that reads "Artificial Human." That HAS to be a reference to the fact that Chris Evans (Steve Rogers) was in fact in the Human Torch in "The Fantastic Four."
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 3, 2018 07:24PM)
[quote]On Mar 31, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Frankenstein's creature as superhero..
Interesting. Thanks :) [/quote]

Marvel had a "horror series" going for awhile, Tomb of Dracula, Werewolf by Night, one for a Zombie and one for Frankenstein's Monster!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 4, 2018 12:53AM)
[quote]On Apr 3, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Mar 31, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Mar 20, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Just finished watching "Jessica Jones" season 2. I felt it was high quality and well done like all the Marvel TV shows are.

Unfortunately, it left me feeling rather sad. I know it was supposed to do that, but the idea the people who selflessly help others can't have their own happy endings is a real downer. [/quote]
To add to what Cliff said, that's why I seldom buy current comics nowadays. Because so many characters get killed off.

Not buying the current ones but still keep buying, that is to say, I've been buying reprints of the Golden Age. The most recent reprint-volume I bought was the Golden Age Human Torch which is interesting because he's an Android as compared to Johnny Storm.
The way I see it, the Android is just like combining the Frankenstein idea with Superhero. Because the Android is of course man-made but at first his flaming-body makes him a menace. This man-made menace is what makes him like a Frankenstein monster.
I found its combination very enjoyable because in comparison the original Frankenstein used to [i]bore[/i] me. But combining the boring idea with the superhero makes it very interesting.
To add to the initial menace, the Android's emotions would sometimes make him burst into flames inadvertently. So in order to control his flames, he had to learn to control his emotions. Seen in that light, I much prefer the Android Torch rather than Johnny Storm. Because Johnny was much too arrogant. [/quote]

Did you catch the cameo in "Captain America - The First Avenger"? At the "World's Fair," you can see a what's clearly the "Original Human Torch" under a tube with a sign that reads "Artificial Human." That HAS to be a reference to the fact that Chris Evans (Steve Rogers) was in fact in the Human Torch in "The Fantastic Four." [/quote]
Yes I caught that cameo. It would be great if they can have the Android from the Golden Age along with his teammates Captain America and the Submariner together in a World War II movie. In the Comics, the two Torches are depicted differently. That is, Johnny Storm's facial features can be seen through the flames. But in the case of the Android torch, no facial features can be seen at all because they are totally obscured by his flames.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 8, 2018 12:28PM)
[quote]On Apr 3, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Mar 31, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Frankenstein's creature as superhero..
Interesting. Thanks :) [/quote]

Marvel had a "horror series" going for awhile, Tomb of Dracula, Werewolf by Night, one for a Zombie and one for Frankenstein's Monster! [/quote]
In addition, there was also the Golem, about a Statue that can become animated. He became animated when the scientist who found him got murdered by desert marauders. With the scientist's last dying breath, his tear-drops happened to fall on the feet of the statue, which animated the Golem. In other words, the Golem's purpose is to seek revenge and protect the innocent. Each time after his work is done, he becomes automatically re-petrified into a Statue again. In the first issue, he took revenge on the marauders. Then in the subsequent issues, he becomes automatically animated whenever the loved ones of the old man become endangered. Both the animation and re-petrification are automatic, as dictated by the magic spell cast by a Jewish rabbi.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 8, 2018 06:15PM)
I remember Spider-man teaming up with Frankenstein in 1974 or so. I thought it was hysterical when they both got captured by the bad guy and are strapped down to a metal plate with metal bands holding them down. Frankenstein basically rips the metal and shoves his hands right through to jam up the machine that is to kill them. Spider-man was totally shocked at that display of strength.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 9, 2018 02:12AM)
Which is odd because Spidey is a strong dude.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 9, 2018 09:07AM)
Good point Danny.

But lets remember that Marvel used to do a really good job of rating their heroes strength levels. Spider-man was merely a "5," Where as Thor and Namor were up at "100." Hulk would start out at "75" but the angrier he got....

That scale was great, and I loved it. It meant a strong normal human was between 1/4 and 1/2, and Captain America who was the highest potential a human could ever achieve was a 1.

The scale was based on the number of tons the hero could lift over their head from the ground.

That meant Spider-man could have lifted 10,000 pounds over his head. Could he have pressed his hands through a 1 inch thick sheet of solid steel?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 9, 2018 09:48AM)
Probably Yea.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 13, 2018 12:41AM)
To tell you the truth, from reading many issues of Spiderman, I've never seen him press his hand through a 1 inch thickness of solid steel. So that strength level is speculative as even Danny still used the word "Probably."

In comparison with muscular-type strengths which you folks are discussing, I find that power levels shown for other kinds of superpowers have been more accurately established. As an example, the X-man Cyclops with his optic-beam has been specifically shown blasting a Sherman Tank apart into fragmentary pieces. So at least for Cyclops we can see how much of an effect that his superpower has on metal.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 13, 2018 01:04AM)
Https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvI0lBSkCs

While what you speak of is a very specific situation, here is a guy explaining some examples of Spidey strength that certainly imply his ability to do so.

These are actual examples right out of the books, no scale needed.

I never liked that scale because depending on who was writing and the need for the story to move along strength changed. Cap for example has multiple examples of being more than a 1. Just running a mile with that lathe shield would need strength well beyond human.

Yes Spidy is far stronger than most think if you read long enough.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 13, 2018 08:18AM)
Anyone notice how amazing Gotham has become?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 13, 2018 12:23PM)
I actually have an issue with what Gotham has become.

Mainly Jerome and the Joker. I don't think The Joker belongs on the show.

The joker belongs to Batman. Batman's debut is still 8 years or so away.

I am sure Joker was brought in because the producers thought he was needed in the show for some reason. I thought it was going fine without.

Aside from that, I like how the show is running and enjoy it every week.
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Apr 13, 2018 07:37PM)
I look at the show as a kind of re-imagining of the early years that tries to pay homage to the lore as much as possible.

Early or not, Cameron Monaghan's Joker is very good, imo.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 16, 2018 02:03PM)
Kinda what I said.

"There is nobody who can take over Iron Man from Robert. I don't think the audience would accept that. He never mentioned to us about leaving Iron Man, but it will happen at some point of time." - Joe Russo
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 16, 2018 03:30PM)
It will be interesting to see how the characters age. They are sort of frozen in time right now, which is why fans don't want another Cap or Iron Man.

My guess is they move from those to new characters which Marvel has a lot of fortunately.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 20, 2018 02:38PM)
"Avengers: Infinity War" (aka Avengers 3) is going to be released in a week now. I predict that we'll get an announcement for the title of Avengers 4 at the end of Avengers 3. They've been keeping it under wraps, ever since they made the announcement that Avengers 3 and 4 wouldn't be called "Infinity War, Parts 1 and 2".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Avengers_film

Upcoming MCU movies:

Left in Phase 3:

April 27, 2018 - "Avengers: Infinity War"
July 6, 2018 - "Ant-Man and The Wasp"
March 8, 2019 - "Captain Marvel"
May 3, 2019 - "Untitled Avengers Film"

Post Phase 3:

July 5, 2019 - "Untitled Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel"
2020 - "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe#Feature_films

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 22, 2018 05:12PM)
[quote]On Apr 20, 2018, Donald Dunphy wrote:
"Avengers: Infinity War" (aka Avengers 3) is going to be released in a week now. I predict that we'll get an announcement for the title of Avengers 4 at the end of Avengers 3. They've been keeping it under wraps, ever since they made the announcement that Avengers 3 and 4 wouldn't be called "Infinity War, Parts 1 and 2".
... [/quote]

I kinda think they'll hold off a little longer but that would be a good time to announce it.

My prediction is that Captain Marvel will make an appearance of some sort in one of the post credits scenes.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 22, 2018 05:34PM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2018, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Apr 20, 2018, Donald Dunphy wrote:
"Avengers: Infinity War" (aka Avengers 3) is going to be released in a week now. I predict that we'll get an announcement for the title of Avengers 4 at the end of Avengers 3. They've been keeping it under wraps, ever since they made the announcement that Avengers 3 and 4 wouldn't be called "Infinity War, Parts 1 and 2".
... [/quote]

I kinda think they'll hold off a little longer but that would be a good time to announce it.

My prediction is that Captain Marvel will make an appearance of some sort in one of the post credits scenes. [/quote]

I am old enough to see that last line and think; “Why would Billy Bateson be in a Marvel movie?” Then I remember.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 22, 2018 08:03PM)
Here's something that will add more confusion to the mix:

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(film)]"Captain Marvel" (movie about the Marvel Comics character)[/url] is scheduled to be released March 8, 2019

and

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazam!_(film)]"Shazam!" (movie about the DC Comics character)[/url] is scheduled to be released April 5, 2019

- Donald
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 22, 2018 09:19PM)
Https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-captain-marvel-ms-marvel-shazam-clusterf-ck-explai-1251423862

"Obviously, you’re a Captain Marvel/Shazam fan, and I understand your consternation that a Marvel Comics character has absconded with the name of another hero who’s been around for 80 years. But here’s the main problem: Everyone else knows him as Shazam. Okay, there is a certain portion of comics fans — I would say way less than half, of which you are clearly one — that feels like Billy Batson is the One True Captain Marvel, but the rest of the general populace literally thinks the character’s name is Shazam anyways.

It’s all because of the rights issues, and mainly because how Marvel Comics has the rights to the name Captain Marvel. Fawcett, publishers of the original Captain Marvel/Shazam comics, stopped making them in the ‘50s. In the ‘60s, Marvel Comics trademarked the name Captain Marvel for their own Kree alien superhero, which meant when DC licensed the Fawcett characters in 1972, they had the Fawcett character named Captain Marvel, but couldn’t call the comic Captain Marvel, so they used his transformation cry “Shazam!” for the title."
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 23, 2018 12:26PM)
Hmm, speaking of copyright issues, I often say "Shazam!" for a magic word when I perform. I hope DC doesn't try to sue me.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Apr 23, 2018 05:10PM)
Cliff - I don’t think you have a problem, previous use; Gomer Pyle used to say “Shazam” when surprised. Also there was a gag in “The Monkees;”

PETER (tied to a chair, works himself over to a mirror and says); SHAZAM!
Flash of lightening, crash of thunder, and the mirror gets shattered!
PETER; Oh well, seven more years bad luck for Captain Marvel!

I was aware of the whole rights issue. I understood naming the title “Shazam.” Naming the CHARACTER “Shazam” is problematic as “Shazam” was supposed to be the names of the wizard that gave Billy his powers!

And how does this effect the rest of the Marvel family? Do we now have Mary Shazam, Shazam Jr. and Uncle Shazam with his “Shazambago?” (I’m not making him up. An old con man passed himself off as “Uncle Dudley,” he had a hand-made Marvel suit and break away clothing. He would “change” during the flash from their changing. They didn’t buy it for a second, but he was so charming, they let him think it was working.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 24, 2018 07:48PM)
Even Captain America had plagiarism problems and was threatened with a lawsuit. Because Captain America debuted several months after another superhero called The Shield a patriotic superhero published by MLJ Company. At that time Captain America's shield had a [i]triangular[/i] shape which uncomfortably resembled that of The Shield superhero. That was the basis of the lawsuit. So Simon and Kirby had to change Captain America's shield from triangular to circular, the one we see today.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 24, 2018 08:50PM)
DC keeps hinting at doing something with Kirby's New Gods characters. Marvel... has an opportunity with "Marvelman". Shazam! - or Kimota! we'll see.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 26, 2018 01:34PM)
Of the Simon and Kirby team, many fans mistakenly think the artwork was done by Kirby only. But sometimes Joe Simon had a hand in the art. Because it was Simon who designed Cap's shield originally as triangular-shaped. But Kirby did not like it at all. So actually you could say that the lawsuit backfired on MLJ publishers because Kirby's circular shape makes much more sense aerodynamically when Captain America throws it like a returning boomerang.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 26, 2018 03:14PM)
DC also missed some opportunities to use the Siegel/Shuster background art from early Superman comics showing skies. Going gritty with Byrne's Krypton... meh.
Interesting how DC has yet to explore Etrigan or The Specter and Marvel has not tapped The Celestials. The CGI has been available since Avatar and the Lord of the Rings movies. Jason Blood makes a more interesting tortured hero than what they've done with Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent so far.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Apr 26, 2018 04:02PM)
How many of you are or were Saturday morning superhero cartoon fans? In the late 70's or early 80's, we saw the birth of an alarming trend. My guess is that somehow money was behind this; I can't imagine any other reason. The trend was this... Instead of the episode ending with the defeat of the villain and his being jailed, or at least arrested, Now the villain always got away. Rather than being incarcerated, it was good enough for the hero to bust up the antagonists plans. This of course meant that the bad guy was back next week with a new plan.

My problem here is that the kids get a really bad message regarding the point of being good. ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere.

My guess is it was cheaper to hire one voice actor to be the villain all season, than get a series of different actors.

And who was the genius who decided that Salomon Grundy should speak in an angry southern accent?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 26, 2018 05:35PM)
Wasn't he from a Louisiana swamp?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 26, 2018 07:04PM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
...ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere...[/quote]

It's supposed to be safe/escapism. Somehow it just wouldn't be the same if the hero "re-educated" the villain and we had superpowered tales of reform.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 27, 2018 01:54PM)
By Golly, [b]30[/b] heroes in The Infinity War. Even George Lucas will envy.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 27, 2018 07:47PM)
How's the movie?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 28, 2018 04:20AM)
It was an interesting way to do the movie.

A blonde Black Widow was odd for me.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 28, 2018 09:33PM)
The movie was fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 29, 2018 12:59PM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
...ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere...[/quote]

It's supposed to be safe/escapism. Somehow it just wouldn't be the same if the hero "re-educated" the villain and we had superpowered tales of reform. [/quote]
As far as your point about reform and rehabilitation,Detective Comics tried it with [i]Two-Face[/i] when he was first introduced. In his very first appearance, the story concluded with him getting rehabilitated. But then the editor felt it was too good of an idea to use only once, so a few years later,Two-Face returned. But [i]at first[/i], Two-Face was intended to be rehabilitated permanently.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 29, 2018 06:00PM)
The Joker's Harley Quinn is a reverse of that theme.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 30, 2018 12:34PM)
Maybe we need to put this thread to rest because based on the OP, the answer is most definitely never.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2412242/infinity-wars-final-box-office-tally-was-even-higher-than-anticipated

"Avengers: Infinity War has handily overtaken Justice League, grossing more at the domestic box office in one weekend than the first-ever DCEU team-up film grossed in its entire domestic box office run. As of right now, Avengers: Infinity War is sitting with $641 million globally (with more international premieres in places like China still to come), and it's in a position to keep toppling records as it continues its rollout."
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Apr 30, 2018 07:56PM)
Don't write off DC yet. Sometimes an Underdog can make a sudden spurt. Granted, the Justice League movie disappointed, but Wonder Woman remains a reliable standby, as witness her solo outing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 30, 2018 08:28PM)
Only once.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Apr 30, 2018 08:30PM)
Oh I like DC movies OK and I believe there will always be a market for them. They're just not going to catch up to Marvel is all I'm saying. That's my prediction and I'm doing pretty good in the movie prediction business so far.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 30, 2018 09:15PM)
Better than most I must say.

I'm looking forward to the second Deadpool movie. I did ok with that prediction.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 1, 2018 02:57AM)
Actually, Danny, the other year, you told me to [i]Not[/i] give up on DC. So that gave the impression that you predict DC as catching up.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 1, 2018 11:40AM)
Also my prediction came true as to Infinity War's box office results surpassing Star Wars.

Enthusiastic as Rockwall is about Infinity War, I'm glad that he still likes DC. When I introduced this thread, I meant it not as a contest between Marvel and DC but instead to express my appreciation for [i]both[/i].
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 1, 2018 12:44PM)
[quote]On May 1, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
Actually, Danny, the other year, you told me to [i]Not[/i] give up on DC. So that gave the impression that you predict DC as catching up. [/quote]

Catching up? WHAT in their movie history has indicated that they have gained ground in the least? Not giving up on them in no way means that they are somehow catching up.

With Marvel doing the Netflix stuff now they are even losing ground in the TV business.

I think DC has a VERY rich character history. Their tapestry of villains is a vibrant palate from which to color. Unfortunately most times they make all the characters too one dimensional. With W squared they got into a much deeper and much more interesting development process. They started to do the same with Batman with Christian Bale, but got away from it with Ben Afflek. He did not necessarily do a bad job, just not a deep portrayal is all.

They have some AMAZING stories to tell, but seem to not want to dip into them.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (May 1, 2018 03:06PM)
How can DC catch up with Marvel? Right now they have no chance..... The Justice League was an OK film. I liked it. The Avengers blew them out of the water though.

But Marvel is about to have a problem...

DC could catch up, but they have to do things... Capitalize on Marvel's problem.... Begin to produce higher quality movies.

Here is Marvel's problem. Phase three is coming to a close next year. Phase one and two all led up to phase three very deliberately. Marvel built and created the amazing continuity they have had in the comic books since the 1960's.

Can they keep it going into phase 4? from what I see it will be difficult. Oh they will still have characters pop up in each other's films, that is easy to do, but can they keep the audience waiting for the strong climax years away while sitting on the edge of our seats? I think this is going to be a tall order.

DC needs to get busy with characterization.

Thanos was handled brilliantly in terms of his motivation. It was believable, made him sympathetic and even seem human. I started to understand why some others might side with him. In film and on paper, it is easy to create a 1-dimensional hated evil character. But that is far less likely to hold an audience.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 1, 2018 07:24PM)
I disagree that Marvel is about to have a problem. I think they're about to create new audience interest by retiring some older characters and introducing a new stable of heros. Just as you've got some hoping for superhero fatigue to set in, Marvel is about to introduce a whole new set of heros to keep things exciting. Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther have shown how beneficial adding new characters to the MCU has kept audience interest. As much as I'll miss Ironman, Capt America, (who I'm guessing won't see new movies focusing on them), and others, I think it will ultimately be the right move for Marvel.

Also, I'm hoping that at some point Marvel gets control of the Fantastic Four and finally gives them the treatment they deserve. I wouldn't want to see it for a few more years but it would be fantastic to see them get introduced towards the end of the next phase.

I had heard that the next phase was going to involve outer space more and that initially worried me but after watching Infinity Wars, I'm no longer worried about how Marvel would deal with stories out in the cosmos and with all the strange cosmic characters they have in their library.

And I'll admit. It IS a bit of a competition for me because, while I started out reading DC as a kid, once I moved onto Marvel, I always felt Marvel was the better story teller.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 1, 2018 07:36PM)
I was a specific DC charectors fan. Batman, Green Arrow and believe it or not Aquaman once they made him cool.

Marvel I was a fan of the brand. I liked most of what they did. The story of Korvac/Michael and the Collector and all that through the Avengers I liked a lot as a kid.

I agree they tell better stories.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 1, 2018 08:26PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
Not much to add to what you said Orville, I agree with your completely.Having Larry injured or out cold with Negative man out of him was a problem and should be. Negative man is just energy. Remember I am old school and a purist.

I do like the idea of the doom patrol having to deal with who they are. Of the original 3 only Rita (elasti-girl) could put on street clothes and pretend to be like everyone else. What would life be like if you had fantastic abilities but could never look normal again. While it is good to address that, too much of it gets too dark, and the DP was never meant to be anything other than light hearted. [/quote]
Why the Doom Patrol is one of my favorites is because their superpowers don't make them heroes but instead make them Freaks and outcasts. Innovative for that time and still is.
The only glaring flaw is Rita Farr because she looks totally normal. And her superpower is the same as Marvel's Henry Pym. Yet she is considered a Freak by the public at Large. As far as I know, it was never explained as to why she is branded an Outcast. Mine is not a petty nitpick because, after all, the whole premise of the Doom Patrol is their Pariah nature.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (May 1, 2018 09:51PM)
I don't imagine DC catching up till 2020+ DC has iconic night and day, Super powered optimism and well funded determination in common cause. Little sister gets a cape too. And the future looks good for all sorts of people, be they green or shapeless. Their adult comics movies like Watchmen were awkward.

Marvel comics is a different brand. More about character interior. DC tried later to go angst/angry... but it's not their brand. Even today it's creepy watching Mister Miracle escape depression.

Megaton Man, the movie?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 12, 2018 12:36AM)
Today at McDonald's, somebody told me that the Infinity Wars film had a Cameo by Brother Voodoo. I guess the Cameo must have been so momentary that I did not notice. Did anybody else notice Brother Voodoo?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 12, 2018 08:02PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Cliffg37 wrote:
Cliff clears his throat and looks around quietly....

Anybody remember the day in June of 1938 when National Periodical Publications premiered "Superman" in Action Comics #1.

Timely Comics soon came on strong and fast. They brought out such greats as The Human Torch, (Who by the way wasn't originally human) Namor, and their star... Captain America.

Today of course they are DC and Marvel. But it seems to me that all the comic book companies have DC to thank for starting the ball rolling.

Trivia question: How many comic books can you name that have been published without a break since the early 1940's? (Not counting re-boots as a break, I can think of maybe five) [/quote]
Point well-taken, Cliff. Captain America and other Marvel heroes were popular during the 1940s but during the 1950's all of Marvel's heroes were not published at all, dead in the water. But during those many years, DC's Superman and Batman continued to be published Uninterrupted. So while Marvel outdoes DC in the films, Marvel can never catch up with DC's [b]75 yrs[/b] of Uninterrupted publishing history. I'm glad that Cliff reminded us of that. Thanks,Cliff.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 15, 2018 03:34PM)
[quote]On May 12, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
Today at McDonald's, somebody told me that the Infinity Wars film had a Cameo by Brother Voodoo. I guess the Cameo must have been so momentary that I did not notice. Did anybody else notice Brother Voodoo? [/quote]

I think they were mistaken. It is rumored that Brother Voodoo may show up in Dr Strange 2.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (May 17, 2018 11:47AM)
So I just read this:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2418871/mcu-will-eventually-introduce-kamala-khan-aka-ms-marvel

"Marvel is planning to do Miss Marvel after Captain Marvel y’all

Muslims. Prepare to finally be represented."

Now, I don't know much of anything about Miss Marvel Kamala Khan. My first thought was, "They're going to have to female Marvel characters with the same powers?!?!?" But, after doing a bit of searching I see that Kamala is actually a shape shifter kinda like Mr. Fantastic. (I guess we'll find out if Marvel can get stretching powers in a movie right after everyone has failed miserably.)

But what really has me worried and could finally give DC their opening is that Miss Marvel seems to be one of Marvels latest SJW super heroes, which I believe is destroying their comics book brand. So far, the Marvel movie universe has been able to stay pretty A-Political which is admirable given the political leanings and rants of so many of their stars. If they decide to start pushing a political agenda with their movies, I think things will start to go down pretty fast. If that DOES happen, I'm sure they'll blame it on super hero fatigue and not the real problem of them alienating half their audience.

Keeping my fingers crossed that if they do introduce Kamala, that she's a great super hero and they leave the political preaching in the comics books and out of the movies.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 17, 2018 12:07PM)
In the 4th season of "Avengers Assemble" (re-titled "Avengers: Secret Wars" for that season), the animated TV series featured both Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel as a part of the New Avengers. (Wasp is in there, too, along with Black Panther, Vision, and Ant-Man.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_Assemble_(TV_series)#Season_Four:_Secret_Wars

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 19, 2018 12:05AM)
[quote]On May 17, 2018, rockwall wrote:
So I just read this:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2418871/mcu-will-eventually-introduce-kamala-khan-aka-ms-marvel

"Marvel is planning to do Miss Marvel after Captain Marvel y’all

Muslims. Prepare to finally be represented."

Now, I don't know much of anything about Miss Marvel Kamala Khan. My first thought was, "They're going to have to female Marvel characters with the same powers?!?!?" But, after doing a bit of searching I see that Kamala is actually a shape shifter kinda like Mr. Fantastic. (I guess we'll find out if Marvel can get stretching powers in a movie right after everyone has failed miserably.)

But what really has me worried and could finally give DC their opening is that Miss Marvel seems to be one of Marvels latest SJW super heroes, which I believe is destroying their comics book brand. So far, the Marvel movie universe has been able to stay pretty A-Political which is admirable given the political leanings and rants of so many of their stars. If they decide to start pushing a political agenda with their movies, I think things will start to go down pretty fast. If that DOES happen, I'm sure they'll blame it on super hero fatigue and not the real problem of them alienating half their audience.

Keeping my fingers crossed that if they do introduce Kamala, that she's a great super hero and they leave the political preaching in the comics books and out of the movies. [/quote]
I see your point about Kamala. In a variation of that, I remember when the Green Lantern of Earth 3 was an evil villain who got his power ring from a Buddhist monk. Since I practice Buddhism myself, I took offense at that because of the villainy being associated with Buddhism. Even though the association was Indirect, I admit.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 20, 2018 02:56PM)
To add to that, DC comics also had a superhero of Jewish persuasion called Seraph. As far as his abilities, I guess he could be compared with Doctor Fate.
I have just one issue of him. To tell you the truth,though,the real reason I bought that issue was because of the guest appearance made by Plastic Man. This has one of my favorite scenes involving Plaz. That is, an assailant kicks Plaz in his face. It totally obliterates Plastic Man's facial features with the result being a deep 3-inch depth indentation of the assailant's footprint. 3 inches might not sound deep, but it is when someone's [i]face[/i] has "caved in"!
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 23, 2018 12:50PM)
By coincidence, DC comics has revived Plastic Man. To be released in June, next month.
://www.dccomics.com/comics/plastic-man-2018/plastic-man-1
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 23, 2018 11:19PM)
The writer for the mini-series will be Gail Simone. First time I've seen a Lady write for Plastic Man. Of course there was also Ramona Fradon, a lady, but she was not the writer but the artist.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 5, 2018 05:25PM)
Anybody see the most recent episode of Supergirl. I was rolling on the floor laughing over it. It was an amazingly blatant political message against assault weapons. I don't want to debate who was right, but it was pretty clear what side the writers were on. Does this kind of thing have a place on supposedly light-hearted "fantasy" TV?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jun 5, 2018 05:39PM)
Yeah, I'm against guns but Jons "logic" was a little specious for my taste.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 5, 2018 05:55PM)
Well I think people are tired of being preached at and it is showing.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 10, 2018 10:56AM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
How many of you are or were Saturday morning superhero cartoon fans? In the late 70's or early 80's, we saw the birth of an alarming trend. My guess is that somehow money was behind this; I can't imagine any other reason. The trend was this... Instead of the episode ending with the defeat of the villain and his being jailed, or at least arrested, Now the villain always got away. Rather than being incarcerated, it was good enough for the hero to bust up the antagonists plans. This of course meant that the bad guy was back next week with a new plan.

My problem here is that the kids get a really bad message regarding the point of being good. ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere.

My guess is it was cheaper to hire one voice actor to be the villain all season, than get a series of different actors.[/quote]

I see your point and your alarm that the villains don't get caught at all. But what I find even more alarming is when the [i]hero[/i] himself can get away with felony. Look at Marvel's Punisher. He's a hero but also a one-man [i]lynch-mob[/i] who uses lethal bullets. In fact, beginning from his very first appearance, he tried to murder by using lethal bullets and explosives on Spiderman. In the ending of course the Punisher found out that he was wrong about Spiderman, that Spiderman was innocent. Instead of just trying to apprehend a culprit, The Punisher always tries to kill. Compare that with the other heroes who always use Nonlethal methods such as Hawkeye who uses a Stun arrow.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 10, 2018 06:19PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2018, NYCTwister wrote:
Yeah, I'm against guns but Jons "logic" was a little specious for my taste. [/quote]

Is that character invulnerable to bullets?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 10, 2018 07:31PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
How many of you are or were Saturday morning superhero cartoon fans? In the late 70's or early 80's, we saw the birth of an alarming trend. My guess is that somehow money was behind this; I can't imagine any other reason. The trend was this... Instead of the episode ending with the defeat of the villain and his being jailed, or at least arrested, Now the villain always got away. Rather than being incarcerated, it was good enough for the hero to bust up the antagonists plans. This of course meant that the bad guy was back next week with a new plan.

My problem here is that the kids get a really bad message regarding the point of being good. ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere.

My guess is it was cheaper to hire one voice actor to be the villain all season, than get a series of different actors.[/quote]

I see your point and your alarm that the villains don't get caught at all. But what I find even more alarming is when the [i]hero[/i] himself can get away with felony. Look at Marvel's Punisher. He's a hero but also a one-man [i]lynch-mob[/i] who uses lethal bullets. In fact, beginning from his very first appearance, he tried to murder by using lethal bullets and explosives on Spiderman. In the ending of course the Punisher found out that he was wrong about Spiderman, that Spiderman was innocent. Instead of just trying to apprehend a culprit, The Punisher always tries to kill. Compare that with the other heroes who always use Nonlethal methods such as Hawkeye who uses a Stun arrow. [/quote]

Should all hero's be the same?
Message: Posted by: NYCTwister (Jun 16, 2018 08:59PM)
Http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/infinity-war-writers-on-how-theyd-fix-the-dc-movies
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 17, 2018 10:19AM)
People seem to have largely forgotten that Iron Man was a very strong "B" list character before the movie elevated him. Over at DC I would have compared him to Green Lantern who, except for a brief period in the early 70's when he was relevant, was also a strong "B" list hero. I guess DC tried that. They took one of their strongest B list heroes and made a movie. We all know what happened there.

I still maintain that the script for GL wasn't bad. The acting wasn't terrible either. I still blame the failure of that movie on the directing and editing.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 17, 2018 01:26PM)
Well before all the movies the whole Marvel deal was pretty B list as a whole. The movie mania certainly helped saved the company from irrelevance.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 19, 2018 05:34PM)
Great to see the premiere of [i]Incredibles #2[/i] this past weekend was a gigantic hit at $180 million, the best animation opening ever. Also shows that the genre of superheroes is still going strong. While I don't care for animated films too much, I still enjoyed it.
Although to tell you the truth, the real reason I went was because one of my favorite superpowers is Elasticity, and one of The Incredibles has that power. So you could say I'm a Completist as far as elasticity goes.lol
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 20, 2018 08:03AM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
Great to see the premiere of [i]Incredibles #2[/i] this past weekend was a gigantic hit at $180 million, the best animation opening ever. Also shows that the genre of superheroes is still going strong. While I don't care for animated films too much, I still enjoyed it.
Although to tell you the truth, the real reason I went was because one of my favorite superpowers is Elasticity, and one of The Incredibles has that power. So you could say I'm a Completist as far as elasticity goes.lol [/quote]

I look forward to when the movie studios can make the super power of elasticity as cool looking as they've done with so many other powers. It may still be quite a while before they can do what they do in animation look as cool in live action. I believe that is the biggest stumbling block to making a good FF movie.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 20, 2018 08:27AM)
That and the "origin in a box" method of worrying they seem to default to.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 20, 2018 04:18PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
That and the "origin in a box" method of worrying they seem to default to. [/quote]

I'm not sure what you mean by "Origin in a box". Can you explain a little more?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 20, 2018 05:02PM)
The Dr. Doom having to be created at the same time thing they did in the first movie.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 24, 2018 02:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2018, rockwall wrote:
[quote]On Jun 19, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
Great to see the premiere of [i]Incredibles #2[/i] this past weekend was a gigantic hit at $180 million, the best animation opening ever. Also shows that the genre of superheroes is still going strong. While I don't care for animated films too much, I still enjoyed it.
Although to tell you the truth, the real reason I went was because one of my favorite superpowers is Elasticity, and one of The Incredibles has that power. So you could say I'm a Completist as far as elasticity goes.lol [/quote]

I look forward to when the movie studios can make the super power of elasticity as cool looking as they've done with so many other powers. It may still be quite a while before they can do what they do in animation look as cool in live action. I believe that is the biggest stumbling block to making a good FF movie. [/quote]
Yes,agreed. In the third movie, they missed out on a good opportunity to show elasticity when Reed had to crawl through a ventilation shaft, so that segment disappointed me. I remember once from DC's Elongated Man where he had to infiltrate secretly and so slithered through a rain drainage pipe that ran all the way from the ground to the roof. So he had to make his whole body even skinnier than a snake's. Now here comes my favorite part. When he had reached the top of the drain pipe he suddenly realized he was at the wrong location so at that point his body had to double back inside the drain pipe so he had to make himself even skinnier because he was sliding back down while his other part of the body was still sliding up! So he was going both up and down at the same time. The artist depiction showed a cutaway view of the pipe's inside so the graphics were very bizarre.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jun 24, 2018 03:01PM)
The only way to portray Mr. Fantastic and be true to the comics in my opinion, is to have him stretching almost at all times throughout the movie. In the comics, there were always everyday scenes where he is working in his lab and stretching everywhere to grab a beaker from one location in the room and push a lever in another location and stretching his neck a lot to look at something high up. Also, the action scenes that stick with me are of him wrapping himself around villains in multiple loops, (or even The Thing to try and contain him), turning himself into a parachute when falling from a height and also of having him stretched out all over the floor when hurt or knocked unconscious while stretching.

So far, in the movies, they just have him stretching once or twice in special situations. I assume it's because it's a hard special effect to portray. But I won't be satisfied with his depiction until nearly every scene needs to be realistically CGI'ed just as needs to be done with every scene with the Hulk in it.

I'm hopeful that Marvel studios will do it right. I can't think of a hero that they've introduced that they did a bad job on (except for maybe the first Incredible Hulk movie they did). Even the ones that before seeing the movie, you would think were going to be really hard to pull off. Before GOTG came out, who would have thought they'd do such a good job with Rocket and Groot?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 30, 2018 04:16PM)
It was already reported in a separate thread that writer Harlan Ellison died. But I include it here because he also wrote for some Comics such as Marvel's The Avengers and Daredevil and also DC's Justice League. And he also owned a massive Comics collection too. Much as I hate to say it, he was very abrasive and obnoxious in his interviews. But he always remained respectful of comics art in general, always emphasizing that "Sequential art" was one of America's true native arts. I believe that phrase "Sequential art" was coined by the great Will Eisner, but Ellison used it too.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 30, 2018 05:46PM)
One of the problems with elasticity is it is fairly boring as a power goes.

It also takes some real imagination to make it compelling. One reason I think using it constantly is it would lose some of the thing that is supposed to make it special. Without good writing it can be tricky.

To be fair the writing at Marcel Studio now is done quite well in many instances so that is hopefully a good sign.

Reed always seemed tough to write to me. Not only his powers, but the guy. I always enjoyed the way he used his mind PLUS his powers. An example being wrapping up the Thing and so on. I always thought his greatest asset was his mind, not so much his power.

Either way no doubt a good FF movie would be great.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 2, 2018 01:52PM)
Anyone following the Batman wedding fiasco?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 2, 2018 08:45PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
[quote]On Apr 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
How many of you are or were Saturday morning superhero cartoon fans? In the late 70's or early 80's, we saw the birth of an alarming trend. My guess is that somehow money was behind this; I can't imagine any other reason. The trend was this... Instead of the episode ending with the defeat of the villain and his being jailed, or at least arrested, Now the villain always got away. Rather than being incarcerated, it was good enough for the hero to bust up the antagonists plans. This of course meant that the bad guy was back next week with a new plan.

My problem here is that the kids get a really bad message regarding the point of being good. ie. it doesn't really get you anywhere.

My guess is it was cheaper to hire one voice actor to be the villain all season, than get a series of different actors.[/quote]

I see your point and your alarm that the villains don't get caught at all. But what I find even more alarming is when the [i]hero[/i] himself can get away with felony. Look at Marvel's Punisher. He's a hero but also a one-man [i]lynch-mob[/i] who uses lethal bullets. In fact, beginning from his very first appearance, he tried to murder by using lethal bullets and explosives on Spiderman. In the ending of course the Punisher found out that he was wrong about Spiderman, that Spiderman was innocent. Instead of just trying to apprehend a culprit, The Punisher always tries to kill. Compare that with the other heroes who always use Nonlethal methods such as Hawkeye who uses a Stun arrow. [/quote]

Thing is, "The Punisher" is the last of a 70's trend. The "revenge" hero. It started with The Executioner, a paperback series where a Green Beret's family is murdered by the Mafia and he goes on a killing spree to kill every Mafioso he can get his hands on before they get him. There were a number of these (including one who was sanctified by the Vatican, and who had to go for forgiveness from the Pope after one of his killing sprees.) One; "The Destroyer" got a terrible film; "Remo Williams; The Adventure Begins."

The rest of them are gone, but the Punisher remains.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 2, 2018 09:07PM)
Aren't a lot of superheroes revenge oriented?

I actually enjoyed that film.

But how many felonies does Batman commit in one book? Or Green Arrow or even Hawkeye. Even non lethal arrows are not legal to just shoot at people.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 3, 2018 08:27AM)
The nature of superheroes is that they are breaking the law as we would understand it.

The thing about The Punisher and his predecessors is that their whole reason for being wasn’t to “stop” criminals, it was specifically to kill as many of them as they can before their luck runs out!
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 3, 2018 10:30AM)
On a side note, who remembers the 1970's TV show the Mod Squad? They were young-looking cops (I thought all the actors were too old, and the concept was better handled in the 80's with 21 Jump Street) The thing about the Mod Squad was that they were designed to go where cops couldn't. to talk to people who would avoid or run from detectives and uniform police.

This then is the goal of many a costumed hero. To get to crime where, for whatever reason, the police are unable. If they are not doing that by murder, (ie. Batman) many a cop might actually tip a hat to the hero, and at least have a tolerance. On the other hand, the Punisher should be hunted by cops, who really want to see him serve time and off the street. They should see him as an insane serial killer, (which he really is) and probably not care that he targets the scum of society.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 3, 2018 11:16AM)
That is definitely a physics teachers idea of what a cop might think.

However it is not how most cops would think at all.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 3, 2018 01:18PM)
Well, Danny, you certainly may be right, and you certainly may know more than I do. I have no issue with that. But do enlighten me as to what a cop would think about this...
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 3, 2018 02:34PM)
You can start with the concept that a crime is a crime and you don't choose to look the other way. Sort of an oath thing.

Second the idea that they are "unable" would NEVER come up. Testosterone thing.

Not many would be tipping a hat to anyone.

Mind you that when you move into pontificating about real life is where I have to disagree. Comic books are comic books for a reason.

Many would look at vigilantes in any form as in the way plain and simple.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 3, 2018 03:59PM)
OK Danny, Point well taken.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 4, 2018 01:47PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
One of the problems with elasticity is it is fairly boring as a power goes.

It also takes some real imagination to make it compelling. One reason I think using it constantly is it would lose some of the thing that is supposed to make it special. Without good writing it can be tricky.

To be fair the writing at Marcel Studio now is done quite well in many instances so that is hopefully a good sign.

Reed always seemed tough to write to me. Not only his powers, but the guy. I always enjoyed the way he used his mind PLUS his powers. An example being wrapping up the Thing and so on. I always thought his greatest asset was his mind, not so much his power.

Either way no doubt a good FF movie would be great. [/quote]
Maybe the reason you get disappointed at Elasticity is because of how Reed's elasticity was treated in the FF movies. Because the visual effects were so lame when compared with how they are depicted in the comics. If you recall the climax from the first film, the best scenes of elasticity were shown in dim-lighting because it was a night scene. So if you blinked just momentarily,you probably missed where Reed turns himself into a ball and then expands his body in order to deflect water from a hydrant so that it gets directed at a fire. It's too bad that those fx were shown in dim-lighting because the elasticity was quite good.
If you really think about it, elasticity is the superpower of a [i]Thousand uses[/i]. For visual effects, the possibilities are endless. Remember, a superhero movie has to have spectacular special effects, so Elasticity is obviously the best in that regard.

When you mentioned boredom, you forgot Captain America because he's one of the most boring. All he has is just his shield that he flings around like an absurd frisbee. What's so absurd is that he can make his shield fly back to him like a boomerang. Aerodynamically, it doesn't make any sense at all, just like you don't expect a frisbee to return. At least Batman makes sense because he uses a batarang.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 4, 2018 08:30PM)
Yea Cap plays the ricochet and quite often is picking it up off the ground.

I get you REALLY like elasticity. But it is just not written well enough to be mainstream cool.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 6, 2018 11:08AM)
Ant-man and the Wasp...

Two thumbs up.

Another winner for Marvel.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 7, 2018 03:59PM)
Ant-man and the Wasp.

I think I laughed harder than I did for Thor Ragnarok. Great movie.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 8, 2018 03:43PM)
This morning, I was at McDonald's when I overheard another customer talking on his iPhone about the Ant-Man movie, which he was enthusiastic about. So after he clicked off his phone, I said how much I enjoyed it too, so we got into a very spirited chat. What a pleasant surprise for me to get into a spirited chat with a perfect stranger and talk about superheroes. :)
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 12, 2018 01:33PM)
I really, really enjoyed the running joke about Paul Rudd learning magic to entertain his daughter.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 14, 2018 12:08PM)
[quote]On Jul 7, 2018, rockwall wrote:
Ant-man and the Wasp.

I think I laughed harder than I did for Thor Ragnarok. Great movie. [/quote]
Maybe that's why Marvel surpasses DC at the movies. Because of the humor. In comparison DC remains too serious. Especially with Bruce Wayne. We know how his parents demise traumatized him so much. So he became the Batman not because he wanted to, but because he had to. Contrast that with Barry Allen who became the Flash as the fulfillment of a childhood dream because during his childhood he used to read Flash comics of the other Flash,Jay Garrick.
As far as Bruce Wayne's trauma, one thing that used to interest me was that because of his severe trauma resulting from the demise of his Mother, Bruce Wayne had developed a very bizarre mental complex in the magazine version. That is, to substitute for the loss of his Mother, he had developed an [i]Oedipus[/i] complex with the Catwoman. Oedipus complex meaning the Catwoman became his Mother Substitute. Even to the point where he let the Catwoman escape on several occasions.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 14, 2018 01:57PM)
You mean a kid who watched his parents murdered in front of him when he was 10 and received little if any counseling might not have a well developed sense of humor? Whoda thunk?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 15, 2018 01:03PM)
[quote]On Jul 4, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
I get you REALLY like elasticity. But it is just not written well enough to be mainstream cool. [/quote]
Actually, quite the opposite, because Kyle Baker won the Will Eisner Award for Plastic Man. And the Will Eisner Award is the most prestigious award for comics excellence. And Plastic Man won it. So obviously Elasticity is on the A-list.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 15, 2018 02:06PM)
Is there a difference in mainstream cool and what comic collectors think is cool?

Plus I was talking about movie written. The thing that is so hard to explain to comic geeks (Like me.) is the difference in what the world at large thinks as opposed to what we think. It must be popular with the world at large OUTSIDE the comic community to make money. In the end that is what matters to the studio.

Guardians certainly was not an A list comic was it? Not until AFTER the movie. (Which Rockwall predicted to be a smash and it was.) This was a case of mainstream driving comics instead of the other way around.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 15, 2018 11:18PM)
If you're arguing that elasticity isn't written well enough "in the movies" to be mainstream cool, then I completely agree with you. That was entirely my point in my previous post about how poorly the movies have done with Mr Fantastic and how I'm am cautiously optimistic that Marvel studios may finally be able to get it right. If they 'can' get it right, then I see the Fantastic Four finally becoming an A-list movie property.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 16, 2018 10:30AM)
Yes exactly. I think I mentioned the writing at the studio is pretty good now so they have a shot.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 21, 2018 02:54PM)
The other day, I dropped in at the local comic shop and finally managed to get the hardback version of the X-Men Masterworks Volume 1. I already had the trade paperback but I also wanted the hardback because of the glossy paper.
While at the shop, I noticed that Marvel has revamped the Ghost Rider so he's now known as Cosmic Ghost Rider. Revamping is good because it keeps the characters fresh. But no, not in this case because they spoiled it all because now the Ghost Rider has been taken over by The Punisher! Yes, the Punisher is the new Ghost Rider! Never liked the Punisher at all, for reasons that I have already explained in a previous post. But I've always enjoyed the Ghost Rider. The only revamping I liked was the version with Robbie Reyes. So I was pleasantly surprised when the Reyes version appeared on a couple of episodes from the TV series, Shield.

Back in the 1970s, what first drew me to the Ghost Rider was when someone told me there is a new superhero just like Evel Knievel! Some of you might remember Evel Knievel who made a big splash in the media with his daredevil motorcycle stunts. Always eager to see Knievel's sensational stunts, it made me take a shine to the Ghost Rider.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 21, 2018 04:13PM)
Two new trailers are out today. Upcoming movies in the DCEU.

Aquaman - Official Trailer 1

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Shazam! - Official Teaser Trailer

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Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 21, 2018 06:20PM)
I think Aquaman looks great. Black Manta perhaps a little cartoony, but still looks good.

Shazam, looks silly. Too much playing up the kid in the man's body. I hope the movie rises above that.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Jul 22, 2018 08:58PM)
I pretty much agree with Cliff. Aquaman looks pretty good although some of the CGI of the fish looked a bit too fake. I think Shazam just looks horrible and I can't believe it's in the same universe as the other DC heroes. His costume is horrible, looks like he's wearing pillows under the suit. I put it in the same league as Power Rangers.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 29, 2018 06:59PM)
The sentiments of Cliff and Rockwall are understandable. But while the film Shazam's characterization seems to put emphasis on the juvenile, the point must be made that it was also the case in the original magazine, in the first place. After all, what would one expect from a comic which had a Talking Tiger and even a Talking Caterpillar? So actually the movie adaptation remains faithful to its original source.
At the same time, I agree with the disappointment of Cliff and Rockwall. Or to put it more accurately,I share their same taste. That is, the preference for the "straightforward" superhero. The same as myself, I think Cliff and Rockwall would prefer the 1940s movie serial version of Captain Marvel that starred Tom Tyler. While the serial included the kid Billy Batson, his presence was downplayed in favor of the heroic title character.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jul 29, 2018 07:44PM)
Since most of the source work for these is over 50 years old some adaptation for the times seems necessary.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jul 29, 2018 08:04PM)
I have seen the Tom Tyler serials and yes, I enjoyed them very much. Captain Marvel (Shazam) always made me wonder how effective a rag in the mouth is at preventing someone from speaking.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 31, 2018 08:26AM)
My problem with the Shazam trailer is, I’ve never known Billy Batson to be aware inside Captain Marvel’s (Shazam’s) body! I was of the impression they were two separate personalities. I did like that they slipped Freddy in there. But again, if he becomes Captain Marvel Jr. (Shazam Jr.?) What would his magic word be?
Message: Posted by: 0pus (Jul 31, 2018 12:55PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
. . . What would his magic word be? [/quote]

Shazbot?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 4, 2018 07:49PM)
It depends on which revamp you turn to. Because I know of at least three revampings of Shazam. Because in order to keep the characters fresh, they are revamped once in awhile.
Another thing to consider is that Shazam (the elderly wizard) was destroyed by the Spectre when the Spectre went berserk. That's why I've always had mixed-emotions about the Spectre. He's much too powerful that you could even call him Omnipotent. One DC writer has even stated that the Spectre is the Almighty God himself in leotards.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 4, 2018 10:17PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2018, Orville Smith wrote:
... He's much too powerful that you could even call him Omnipotent. One DC writer has even stated that the Spectre is the Almighty God himself in leotards. [/quote]

In some stories The Spectre answers to at least one higher authority.

I like the idea of Shazam with child's perspective.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 5, 2018 04:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
Since most of the source work for these is over 50 years old some adaptation...

What would you want changed?

And how would an update serve as pointer to ancient literature?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 11, 2018 07:26PM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
[quote]On Aug 4, 2018
I like the idea of Shazam with child's perspective. [/quote]
Along those lines,the Golden Age had the Star-Spangled Kid. He was a millionaire kid but what made him unique was that his Sidekick was an Adult. In other words,the Kid was the Boss, and the Adult was the subordinate. lol
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 19, 2018 02:55PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2018, ed rhodes wrote:
My problem with the Shazam trailer is, I’ve never known Billy Batson to be aware inside Captain Marvel’s (Shazam’s) body! I was of the impression they were two separate personalities.[/quote]

Somewhat along those lines you mention of 2 personalities sharing the same body, there was a Flash story from the 1960s where Gorilla Grodd, in order to escape from Gorilla City's prison, took a risky chance by sending out his mind randomly. The risk was that he did not know what kind of body that his mind would wind up in. He could wind up in the body of a fish or an insect. Luckily for him, his mind ended up in the body of a man named Dawson. In Dawson's body, he found a job at a circus to be an animal trainer specifically apes of course. The gorilla act is a smashing success but Grodd also uses the same apes to commit crimes.

To make a long story short, when Grodd is defeated and apprehended by the Flash, it is of course Dawson who goes to prison since Grodd still occupies that body. It is at that point that we find a glaring discrepancy. Because in the issue that came about an year later when Dawson has finished his prison sentence, the Warden notices that Dawson has become very hairy on his face and arms. Then when Dawson has been finally released and is outside of the prison, his body suddenly changes into Grodd's body!

The question is, what ever happened to Dawson? Ever since then, it was never explained and was left up in the air. It was as though the writer purposely ignored Dawson, the writer thinking that the present reader would not even know about Dawson. But what about the readers who had the previous issue. They were left up in the air.

Sometimes, though, DC makes an effort to resolve discrepancies. Because at one point, readers were complaining that Jay Garrick does not wear any mask and yet manages to preserve his secret identity. So the editor came up with a pretty decent explanation. That is, when Jay Garrick is the Flash, he vibrates at such a frequency that his facial-features become blurred.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 26, 2018 12:45PM)
Same as Jonathan Townsend, I agree that the [i]Spectre[/i] would be great for a live-action movie. It has already been done as an animated short, and from that short we can see the unique elements that would make him great for a live-action version.

And what is that element? What it is, is that the Spectre uniquely combines Superheroism with [i]Horror[/i]. After all, the Spectre is a ghost. Well, actually an angel and ghost at the same time, as there is that paradoxical aspect to his character.

When I say Horror, I don't mean the version written by Gardner Fox but the later version written by Michael Fleischer. The Horror aspect could be seen in the gruesomeness of the punishments meted out by the Spectre. One example is where the Spectre transforms the criminal into an actual wooden log. Then the Spectre materializes a Buzz-saw to slice the wooden man into multiple pieces just like a loaf of bread.

My point is that the potential box office success of the Spectre could come from the fact that the Spectre combines Superheroism with Horror, so it could attract both Superhero fans as well as Horror fans.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Aug 26, 2018 08:50PM)
I certainly like your Spectre idea Orville, but I have a question. Since no mere human can really pose any kind of credible or believable threat to The Spectre, who is the villain of the movie?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 27, 2018 05:02PM)
[quote]On Aug 26, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
I certainly like your Spectre idea Orville, but I have a question. Since no mere human can really pose any kind of credible or believable threat to The Spectre, who is the villain of the movie? [/quote]
Good question, Cliff. The way I see it, there are several possible answers. Way back during the 1960's in issue #8 of The Spectre, he acted rashly so his energy bolt accidentally struck an innocent passer-by. For his impatience and rashness (even though the passerby survived), the "Higher Power" penalized him with a weakness that would become apparent