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Topic: TT Handling
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 23, 2004 01:59PM)
Hi everyone, I know this has been discussed before and even I asked a question in the beginners forum, but this is a little different from the "what tricks you do" question, this is more about handling. I need a good source for handling it, when to wear it, when to palm it.

I've had a blast using it for a few tricks I know, like disappearing silk, burned and restored napkin, sugar to diet sustitute, etc. but I think the 101 tricks booklet is not enough.

I read on a web page you should get two TT and paint one red so when you practice in front of a mirror you won't flash it. Isn't the point of the TT NOT having to hide anything? I've done tricks in the faces of my friends where I point the TT right to their faces and since I'm misdirecting the attention to someplace else, they never see it.

So how do you hide it when it's on? Behind the hand? Between fingers? Doesn't this look unnatural to you? Please any advice and suggestions are welcome.
Message: Posted by: Karl Miller (Jan 23, 2004 03:33PM)
Check out Jay Scott Berry's TT work on his DVD "Total Eclipse". Jay, in my opinion, is the best handler of a TT I have ever seen. He has an improved TT called the Eclipse Tip that can be used like a Dye Tube and many other things. I now only use Eclipse Tips unless woking with liquids. Denny and Lee's has all of this on their site.
Message: Posted by: Lagrange (Jan 23, 2004 10:06PM)
The thing that makes the TT so diabolical is that nobody is suspecting it. I'm always amazed by the stuff I can get away with right under spectators' noses.

Keep your thumb pointed at them and you're fine. If you have to move to more oblique angles then just keep your hand moving. Never underestimate the desire of your specs to be fooled. Misdirection is the key, as always.
Message: Posted by: johnloon (Jan 23, 2004 10:54PM)
Go to order Salvano's Lecture video from international magic in UK. He gives details information on advance TT handling.
Message: Posted by: DAK (Jan 24, 2004 03:27AM)
Yes Salvano's lecture is excellent, he has a fluroescent yellow TT! He says (and I agree) that, the TT should never be seen, his handling is excellent. If you want to do great TT work, learn from him.

Kindest Regards

Dominic
Message: Posted by: Yogibear0925 (Jan 24, 2004 07:51AM)
As mentioned earlier, if you keep the TT pointing at our audience, it won't be noticed. I do this all the time and it works great. Also think of magnets.
Message: Posted by: matthewjohnson (Jan 27, 2004 11:18AM)
With regards to the TT. I personally feel it is not a matter of it's seen but more is it noticed!

By it's very nature a TT is designed to be invisible to a certain extent that is why it is designed to look like a T. I think that hiding it throughout a routine is wasting a valuable part of the TT.

Sure it will not stand up as your T's double if held up in front of someone but casual flashes of the TT in the right way can work to your advantage.

Try pointing the TT directly at your audience. Also work on your deposit and steal of the TT. Remember it is probably the last thing your audience is expecting so even if they do get a casual flash they will just take it for what it is supposed to be, "Don't run if nobody is chasing".

On loading, why not load the TT as you grab the prop you are going to vanish. This works in reverse, ditch the TT when you put away the object that was produced.
Just a few, non specific thoughts.
:thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: Bill Citino (Jan 27, 2004 10:28PM)
The Magic of Micheal Ammar book has a section on TT Finesse and different handlings of it.

-Bill
Message: Posted by: tglund (Jan 28, 2004 12:23PM)
Duane Laflin has a video that goes over many TT handling issues. It can be found at:

http://www.laflinmagic.com/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?cart_id=3762696_22775&keywords=vdthr&exact_match=on
Message: Posted by: jmsilhy (Jan 28, 2004 02:21PM)
Thanks to all for the replies... Yogibear: magnets??? can you be a little more specific on this? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Feb 21, 2004 01:11AM)
I have performed TT in front of a friend who also uses one. He just thought I had a plaster on my thumb.
After the trick he said. Where did your plaster go?
I was thinking, “What is he talking about?”, while looking at my hands for some clue.
He grabs my right mitt and looks close, then says, I could swear you had a plaster on your thumb. I just smiled an internal kind of smile and vowed to get a better skin colour match.
I have been so blatant in my use of the TT and never have I been turned over, yet)!
I have even dropped it, picked it up, then continued with the magic.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 21, 2004 02:59AM)
I learned to handle a TT from Cal Emmett. He performed with a metal one with no paint on it, and fooled the pants off everyone. Nobody ever has to see it if you handle it right.

The main things are to move naturally and not to be self-conscious about it.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Feb 21, 2004 08:51AM)
I just love the recommendations of pointing the TT directly at your spectator and it will be invisible. Yep, invisible to that one spectator! I work pretty much in the round most of the time (or at least with audiences to the front and sides – more than 180 degrees of audience coverage). What spectator do I point at that will make it invisible to the rest of the audience?

I use a TT regularly for a number of pet tricks. Bill Palmer gives you the real key “move naturally and not to be self-conscious about it.” To learn to not be self-conscious simply put on your favorite TT each morning as you head out and wear it all day. Your goal is to go about your daily routine with it on and to have it NOT noticed. You will find that on average no one notices it! You will learn to hide it in plain sight. I have even shaken a persons hand in greeting wearing a TT and it went entirely unnoticed. We made eye contact and he did not look at the hands.

TT – don’t leave home without it!
Message: Posted by: peter teagle (Feb 21, 2004 09:23AM)
Harry,

Trying to make the d'lite TT look natural seems difficult. It doesn't feel normal because of the gimmick. The thumb looks and feels twice as long!! I realize the effect is done in subdued lighting but even so the TT feels awkward! How can I get use to handling one on each thumb more naturally? Is there any way to make it softer?

peter
Message: Posted by: kerpa (Feb 22, 2004 05:01PM)
One of the places I would like to use a TT is when sitting at a restaurant table, for 4 persons - me, my wife, and another couple. Any special considerations? I can point the thumb at the couple opposite me, but not my wife (who wouldn't tell, anyway, of course :)
By the way, the 25 Amazing TT DVD says there are times to hide the thumb, simply when you wouldn't want to have a subsequent thumb motion be noticed. (I am probably not doing justice to the explanation.)
kerpa
a/k/a Mike Miller
Chicago area
Message: Posted by: rikbrooks (Jul 31, 2004 03:50PM)
Handmadeinwales, The D'lite TT doesn't have to look realistic. The effect that you are seeking is that of holding a lite, not an effect of having your thumb glow like a beacon. If you think of it that way then the extra length makes sense.

If you are talking about when your hand is open, I keep my thumb curled towards the palm. The only time that you are in danger is when your thumb is close to the fore finger and they realize that your thumb is almost as lont as the forefinger - so keep the thumb away from the forefinger when your hand is open. Keep it close to the palm.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Muggle (Jul 31, 2004 05:31PM)
I would suggest Tom Gagnon's booklet "Sleightly Original" (July, 1981).

Tom's handling offer's a different angle on the use and applications of the TT.



MM
Message: Posted by: jsmagus (Jul 31, 2004 05:45PM)
Losander's Magic Anytime...Anywhere vid has excellent TT work in it. He goes into some tips and details that are very valuble. But, as I recall he said on the vid that he learned his TT work from Salvano, I'd say go straight to the source!
Message: Posted by: rikbrooks (Aug 1, 2004 08:33AM)
I'm wondering, is there any demo or presentation (not instructional) of the TT on the net? I haven't found one. I'd like to see what others are doing with the device other than the lit cig, salt, and scarves.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Aug 1, 2004 10:44AM)
The BRAND of TT make a LOT of difference in it's invisibility. My two favorites are:

Vernet (I have two, a jumbo and a regular)
The one that came with the D'Lite Deluxe Set

The D'Lite one (without the D'Lite mechanism) is the most invisible on my hand. It matches my skin color EXACTLY. The Vernet is nice, but you can't point your thumb at the audience if you use a blue or green silk. I CAN do that with the one made by the D'Lite people.

The Flip Tip is made by those same people, and I was wondering...is that the same as the Eclipse Tip? Same material? I've never been partial to the Flip Tip...

The Vernet Jumbo can hold a 15" silk, and using a red silk, you CAN point the thumb right at the audience. That size silk coming out of your hand is UNCANNY!

Regards!

Doug
Message: Posted by: Mr. Muggle (Aug 1, 2004 08:15PM)
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I'd like to see what others are doing with the device other than the lit cig, salt, and scarves.
[/quote]

Tom Gagnon's booklet has a great supply of coin work with TT's, including some silk effects.

If you want to go to the next level with your TT, get this booklet. Actually, I may just delete this post and keep it to myself.

MM
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Aug 1, 2004 08:19PM)
Check out the vhs "Rules of Thumb" by Sophie Ashton-Evans. Available from Kevin James.
Message: Posted by: pepijn (Jan 21, 2005 05:29PM)
Mr. Murphy I am currently on a quest to get used to the weird thing but it just doesn't quite work yet. (I really wanted to get rules of thumb but I don't have a video player so I guess that's a problem)

But I have a question which may sound a little, or maybe not a little weird maybe just plane weird but I actually do seriosly mean it. How do you for instance pick up a pen, shopping basket or how can I use a key, The way I would normally do it would be really exposing the thumb so I keep taking the tt of. Are there methods for these sort of things because I keep having to really put my thumb under my hand in order to keep it out of sight and it just doens't look natural.

Any help would be really appriciated
Pepijn
ps sorry if these questions don't seem to smart but I was just wondering
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 21, 2005 05:53PM)
There are very subtle ways to handle the problem. The main thing you need to conceal with modern TT's is the area where the TT joins the thumb. That's what looks like a plaster (or a band-aid, for us on this side of the pond).

If you do Klause's Bill Switch, you can see how little of it is ever exposed. There are some common sense things as well. For example, if you let your arm fall to your side, let the hand fall in a natural position that will conceal the TT, rather than aiming that side of it at the audience.

The "crossed thumb" handling and the "arthritic hand" position are definite no-nos though.
Message: Posted by: Nicholas (Jan 21, 2005 07:56PM)
Pepijn,
Keep in mind that the TT doesn't always have to be on the thumb. There are a lot of different positions for holding and concealing it. On the DVD titled Total Eclipse, Jay Scott Berry provides an excellent array of examples (regardless of whether you are useing the eclispe tip or a standard TT).
Message: Posted by: Suave Dan (Jan 21, 2005 08:57PM)
Gary Darwin's video is excellent for this.
Message: Posted by: magicsarge (Jan 22, 2005 12:46AM)
I also use a TT, my handling has gotten better by wearing during my normal (non-magical day), as has been said I think its all about looking natural and feeling comfortable with it. Keep it on during the day and you'll be suprised how soon you really forget its there.
I do have trouble getting one close to my skin colour (I know I don't have to etc. but I would feel better about the *** thing if it was closer to my skin shade), do any of you guys colour/paint of blend yours in any way?
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Jan 22, 2005 02:05AM)
This is only my OPINION and experience. I am a Washington Democrat and people from Texas scare me so be nice. I am only having fun. I see Mr. Palmer is from Texas also and seeing as I owe him one, I'll shut up about it.
I used to be afraid about the angles, but I have found most people don't look at the right place anyway,the thing disapeared out of my palm why look elsewhere?I had a freind so bamboozled that I had the trick going with my hands splayed out TT on backwards and my wife laughing hysterically. I kept telling him to look closely everywhere.
I think everyone here has a good point. I would interject however that if you can just have the confidence to perform without it on your mind even though it's in your hand, you'll be surprised what you can get away with.
Message: Posted by: fccfp (Jan 22, 2005 03:57AM)
IMHOP generally in handleing the TT it shoul not be visable. There are many ways to transfer it from hand to hand as well as palm it so your t is out. I think using the "straight on" move can be very powerful. THe problem I have seen is that many of us over use that move. doing it once, maybe twic in a longer routine, should be sufficent. Also, there s/b no need to move your hands quickly. Stay relaxed and let it look like normal hand movements. Early on I had the good fortune to get a tape of my performance and saw how quickly I was moving my hands around. I think I was operating under the theory that if I kept it moving they wouldn't have time to see it. I have since slowed down and it looks a lot better.

Bruce

P.S.: I have found watching a tape of my performance is a lot more revealing than prcticing in the mirror. You see yourself from the audiance's perspective. You will pick up very quickly on things that may need to be changed or reworked (or simply practiced a lot more before presenting to the public. Ice Johnson said in his lecture that you should tape yourself from multiple angles so that you can really see what it looks like and what needs additional work.
Message: Posted by: pepijn (Jan 22, 2005 04:19AM)
I don't know where you live but maybe you could try magicproshop.com I know that they have volume 3 and if they have that they'r bound too have the other two aswell.
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Feb 4, 2005 08:55PM)
I have found that even though the TT may look and feel awkward to us, it is invisible to the spectator. You don't even have to have a perfect "skin match". If you keep your hands moving and your actions are loose and natural, the TT will remain invisible. Even more invisible when pointed right at them as mentioned above. What a wonderful item we have here! Did a barehanded sugar packet vanish at work. Dumped the sugar in, then the wrapper! BADABING BADABOOM! The sugar was G-O-N-E! Jaws were hitting the floor!

I never really used TT's. I guess I underestimated the powerful effects that are capable with one. I carry mine in my pocket every day now.
Message: Posted by: Jimmy Joza (Feb 4, 2005 09:48PM)
Salvano, Pat Page, and Jay Scott Berry are three of my favorites in terms of handling a thumb tip. You can currently get the Pat Page for $10 through L&L and others having a video sale.

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Feb 12, 2005 04:44PM)
Jimmy,

I left a post on
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=101832&forum=115&13
for you.

TT handling may move to a new level with your "special" equipment for the next few weeks. You'll be a trend setter!

Enjoy!

Bob
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Jimmy Joza (Feb 12, 2005 09:08PM)
Very funny, Bob! LOL!

Jimmy
Message: Posted by: magicandrew (Feb 13, 2005 05:17AM)
I have found to get used to the working of the tt wear it for a whole day without taking it off and go about your normal day routines.
you will see.