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Topic: Mat Franco wins AGT
Message: Posted by: DCURTHRABE (Sep 17, 2014 09:04PM)
Congaratulations Mat, you've done us all proud.
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (Sep 17, 2014 09:13PM)
Congrats.

It is very interesting, after so many years, a card magician wins AGT. I thought no-one liked card tricks!
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Sep 17, 2014 09:29PM)
The fact that a close up magician won AGT especially on that huge stage at Radio City is amazing.

Contrats Mat! :applause:
Message: Posted by: DCURTHRABE (Sep 17, 2014 09:32PM)
I'm thrilled for Mat and the whole Magic community, finally mainstream recognition! yaay for us.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 17, 2014 09:44PM)
COngrats to Mat Franco, and yay for magic!
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Sep 17, 2014 10:25PM)
YES Finally A magician Vrs a Singer & the magician wins !!!!!!! He did a great job confident choose the right tricks customized the magic for the judges and a likable guy ! Congrats to Mat Franco .....
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 18, 2014 03:52AM)
I think Mat is a wonderful performer and so happy he won.
It also helped that Piers Morgan and Sharon Osborne are no longer judges on the show.
They in particular were the ones always pushing for big illusions and complaining that anything smaller than a huge prop just wouldn't work on a big stage.

Congrats Mat, you done good!!!
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 18, 2014 04:18AM)
:applause:
Message: Posted by: TommyJ (Sep 18, 2014 06:12AM)
Awesome. Simply awesome.
Message: Posted by: Holistic Magic (Sep 18, 2014 07:37AM)
Wow, I saw this and could not believe my eyes. Of course I love magic and focused on the magic each week which was really great that there so much of it, but I was surprised he won because he beat out some amazing acts. Is Matt a Member here? Either way, CONGRATULATIONS MATT! :dancing:
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 18, 2014 07:46AM)
Yes Mat is a member here - mfranco77 :)
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Sep 18, 2014 09:24AM)
Mat did us ALL proud! He is a credit to our profession.

I'm so glad there are feelings of good will toward him in lieu of jealousy.

When someone like Mat wins, we ALL win. He is GOOD NEWS in the face of such ilk as the masked magician.

It takes someone like Mat to help combat the negative rap that magic and magicians often get in our modern society.

I think it's true that collectively we probably don't have an inkling just how much his winning will benefit us all in the future. But surely this is like a pebble that has been cast into the lake that will cause ripples that will be felt throughout the entire magic community.

And these are FAVORABLE ripples.

I'm smiling from ear to ear, feeling a huge wave of happiness inside as I contemplate what transpired last night. I'm happy for Mat, and I'm happy for all of us. Happy, happy, joy, joy!

Look up guys. The future looks bright.
Message: Posted by: jsereb (Sep 18, 2014 10:37AM)
Way to go, Mat!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 18, 2014 10:41AM)
Congrats to Mat!

I think the way people feel towards him in the community is due to Mat himself, the way he carries and presents himself and the respect he has for the industry and community. Today there are many that have an arrogant, entitlement and cocky/bad boy attitude (which I guess is fashionable), and Mat is more real, humbled and respectful and most can't help but like him and what he offers. As said many times here it is not about the effects or tricks you perform, it is is about having a likable, marketable personality, making an emotional connection with audiences and then having the skills to support it all. Mat has the whole package and the community should be proud.

I for one would like him to realize the possibility he has to better the community and the way it has been perceived in recent years. I hope everyone supports him and goes and sees him in his new performance home in Vegas after the AGT tour.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 18, 2014 11:03AM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, Mindpro wrote:
I hope everyone supports him and goes and sees him in his new performance home in Vegas after the AGT tour. [/quote]
That isn't exactly how the prize works. First of all, the winner headlines America's Got Talent Live from Planet Hollywood on the Las Vegas Strip, which is part of a 25-city tour that features the top 12 finalists. It isn't exactly a "vegas home" - more like 2 nights in Las Vegas - September 26th and 27th 2014.

Also, since we are on the subject - regarding the money... if you read the fine print on the screen the million dollar prize is actually a 40-year long annuity, or the contestant may choose to receive the present cash value of such annuity which is about $4000,000, and although nothing to sneeze at it isn't a million bucks, and the $$$ is payment for those live performances in 25 cities.

Not trying to diminish Mat's win, but I thought it was important to correct the thought that he will have a permanent show in Las Vegas during his stint with AGT. I am sure that a casino will be smart enough to pull him in full-time, if that's what he wants to do.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Sep 18, 2014 11:42AM)
Congrats Mat Franco!! Very happy for you!
Message: Posted by: magicwatcher2005 (Sep 18, 2014 11:51AM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, Marvello wrote:
[...]

Also, since we are on the subject - regarding the money... if you read the fine print on the screen the million dollar prize is actually a 40-year long annuity, or the contestant may choose to receive the present [b]cash value of such annuity which is about $4000,000,[/b] and although nothing to sneeze at it isn't a million bucks, and the $$$ is payment for those live performances in 25 cities.
[...][/quote]

To clarify, I'm sure you meant to write $400,000.

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Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 18, 2014 12:42PM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, magicwatcher2005 wrote:
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, Marvello wrote:
[...]

Also, since we are on the subject - regarding the money... if you read the fine print on the screen the million dollar prize is actually a 40-year long annuity, or the contestant may choose to receive the present [b]cash value of such annuity which is about $4000,000,[/b] and although nothing to sneeze at it isn't a million bucks, and the $$$ is payment for those live performances in 25 cities.
[...][/quote]

To clarify, I'm sure you meant to write $400,000.

. [/quote]
hah yep - or perhaps just wishful thinking for mat ;)
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Sep 18, 2014 03:35PM)
Are you kidding me?! America got it wrong. IMO Franco, should not even had made the top 12. David and Leeman were 100x better and STILL not as good as Emily West. I am literally shocked. No wonder this country is going down the tubes. They can't even spot good, quality entertainment when they see it.
Message: Posted by: DonDriver (Sep 18, 2014 03:49PM)
AGT is all rigged and the fix is in before the first show of the season is aired.Its phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

Don
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Sep 18, 2014 04:15PM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, DonDriver wrote:
AGT is all rigged and the fix is in before the first show of the season is aired.Its phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

Don [/quote]

Ha! Not sure if that is sarcasm, because you disagree or if you are truly agreeing. Either way, I like your post.

Not so sure that it is "rigged"

There is no doubt he did a descent job, just nowhere near the level of West in my opinion. I typically am one that thinks that the singers should not be on the show, as mentioned above, as there are so many other shows for vocalist, but seriously the best two performers on that stage last night were Quintavious and Emily West, with Acro Army and Miguel running a close third. Not really sure what show America was watching.
Message: Posted by: magicwatcher2005 (Sep 18, 2014 04:34PM)
All the AGT fine print, from the contracts to the liability disclaimers, clearly state that the producers have final say on all results. When you see an act like some loner who plays guitar and sings for his initial audition, are you not surprised when when three episodes later he's got a full band and back-up singers? When a ventriloquist auditions with a crude paper-mache mask on his pet dog, and the very next time he appears the dog is wearing a multi-thousand $$$ animated prosthetic does that not register with you guys?

The AGT producers pour money, time, and other resources into the acts they want to promote. The "judges" clearly are working from predetermined scripts, and the acts that will be moving forward know well in advance so they (and their individual AGT-provided producers) can plan, script, and rehearse their next routines. The acts that the producers don't care about are typically left to flounder amongst their own devices. "Rigged" is an understatement, but if anyone thinks ANY "reality TV" has anything to do with [i]actual[/i] reality then they deserve to be fooled by it.

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Message: Posted by: DonDriver (Sep 18, 2014 04:51PM)
A friend of mine had his 8 year old son on AGT.Hes a knife thrower.He won the first round.The contract his dad signed says in it that just because you win the first round,that's no guarantee you will be called back to be on a second time.He never got called back.

magicwatcher2005,You are right on about no reality TV show has anything to do with "reality".Rigged is the only word I could think of without my post being deleted....what I really think of AGT...well.

I guess we should all worry about all the bad things going on in the world instead of a fixed so called talent show.

Don
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 18, 2014 10:24PM)
I remember when Dan Sylvester here and he said that he was planted to be there in the front of the line just to use him some promos, and he also said "I am not sure of anything at this point except that nothing seems on the up and up."
Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Sep 19, 2014 04:54AM)
Don, magicwatcher and tmoca,
Instead of criticizing the show, why not figure out ways that you can leverage the increased positive awareness that Mat's win has brought magic? For instance, II've already put out three bids which say that if they hire me, they'll see the kind of million-dollar magic that just won America's Got Talent.

I, too, thought David and Leeman were better...but I'm delighted that Mat won, because it's good news for us as magicians. Honestly, I'm concerned that your criticism comes off as little more than sour grapes. This is a great opportunity for you to showcase your talents: don't channel the energy in negative directions.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Sep 19, 2014 06:33AM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
Don, magicwatcher and tmoca,
Instead of criticizing the show, why not figure out ways that you can leverage the increased positive awareness that Mat's win has brought magic? For instance, II've already put out three bids which say that if they hire me, they'll see the kind of million-dollar magic that just won America's Got Talent.

I, too, thought David and Leeman were better...but I'm delighted that Mat won, because it's good news for us as magicians. Honestly, I'm concerned that your criticism comes off as little more than sour grapes. This is a great opportunity for you to showcase your talents: don't channel the energy in negative directions. [/quote]

We have the right to criticize the show for one...we don't have to like it...and no one has to agree...and personally, I have no need or desire to associate myself with AGT, or Franco in anyway.
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Sep 19, 2014 06:43AM)
And, he wasn't that good. He screwed up the ACR FFS. I don't care that he recovered well.

Flame away!
Message: Posted by: DrNorth (Sep 19, 2014 07:07AM)
I finally saw the finale and I held my breath each time an act was removed. I thought for sure Emily West was going to win. My heart leapt when they called Matt's name!
He beat some very very very talented people.
I also tip my hat to the rest of our magic brothers who went so very far!!
WELL DONE MATT! :bubbly: :dancing:
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 19, 2014 07:25AM)
So why watch AGT if you don't like it, feel it's rigged and have nothing good to say about it? Yjis has always amazed me. You do have a choice you know.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Sep 19, 2014 07:44AM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2014, Mindpro wrote:
So why watch AGT if you don't like it, feel it's rigged and have nothing good to say about it? Yjis has always amazed me. You do have a choice you know. [/quote]

I don't recall anyone saying that they didn't enjoy the overall show.

I did enjoy the show, I just didn't particularly agree with the outcome. There were some VERY talented people on there and I very much enjoyed many of the performances. Everyone in the finals was good, there is no question about it. All were entertaining, the best simply did not win.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 19, 2014 08:27AM)
Emily West was signed to Capitol Records Nashville, she debuted on Billboard's Hot Country Songs charts in early 2008 with the single "Rocks in Your Shoes". This song peaked at No. 39 early in the year, and is the first single from a self-titled EP. She entered the country charts a second time with "Blue Sky", a duet with Keith Urban, in 2010. Emily appeared in the April 18, 2010 episode of Celebrity Apprentice, as the "music make-over" target for the women's team led by Cyndi Lauper. Lauper won the challenge and as a result West donated 100% of the first month of iTunes sales of her song "Blue Sky" to the Stonewall Community Foundation, Lauper's charity.

So.. why was she allowed to be on AGT? If they allow performers on AGT who already have established themselves in their art, why don't we see well-known bands or for that matter Magic Acts (I am sure that Richard Turner or Pop Haydn someone similar would win hands down)?

As Don said - it is all rigged. I still watch the show, but I am realistic about it.
Message: Posted by: they (Sep 19, 2014 10:31AM)
I was in the audience at Radio City when Matt won, and let me tell you I knew it from the start if the show. Not because it was rigged, but because every time his name was mentioned there was an ear splitting screech from every pre pubescent girl in the house. And those girls vote. A lot.

I was gobsmacked that Quintavious or Emily didn't win, and the producers implored us not to boo after Quintavious' elimination set the crowd off.

As to "reality", Ed Sheeran and Train weren't in the house that night, their segments were prerecorded the week before. And Matt's segment with Rosie and Howard, and Q's duet with JHud were taped just prior to air. Always interesting to see the sausage get made.

I don't think the acts know who wins, based on what I saw onstage off air. They congratulated each other and wished each other luck off air, and one of the producers came by and did the same. It was off mic and not done for the crowd. Also, I could read nick's prompter and the name of the eliminated acts were not on it - he reads them off cards. Matts name in lights onstage was superimposed in, as well.

It is clear that the pool is stacked with ringers, with some acts invited to "audition." Dittleman has said as much here on the forum. Not everyone stands in line....

All that said, does anyone have a read on the Out of This World handling for the audience member "human cards" shuffle? Pre***w?
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Sep 19, 2014 10:39AM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2014, Marvello wrote:

So.. why was she allowed to be on AGT? If they allow performers on AGT who already have established themselves in their art, why don't we see well-known bands or for that matter Magic Acts (I am sure that Richard Turner or Pop Haydn someone similar would win hands down)? [/quote]

We do. Kevin James was on there, as were others that have already had "established" themselves/shows. Didn't Mike Super also have a show in Vegas? Maybe not, but I thought they mentioned that.

I feel many folks could go on there are have a good shot at winning. Performers from many fields, not just ours. The question is how many people really want to participate in a talent show?
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 19, 2014 11:42AM)
I think that Kevin James was a ringer also, and that is also why he couldn't win, just like Emily West. Perhaps I am overthinking things, but it doesn't really matter - it's just a TV reality show, and I am glad that magic and magicians were featured on three heavily this season. Yay magic!
Message: Posted by: pepka (Sep 19, 2014 11:49AM)
The term reality television is just like plastic silverware or government intelligence.
Message: Posted by: magicwatcher2005 (Sep 19, 2014 01:15PM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
Don, [b]magicwatcher[/b] and tmoca,
Instead of criticizing the show, [...] [/quote]

Steve, instead of jumping on me for "criticizing" the show, why don't you learn to read a little more carefully so you'll be able to recognize that I was simply reporting factual information about the "judging" process?

I support AGT 100% as a show-biz system that has helped many of my friends in magic move onward and upward in their careers. However, that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact it's not what the public is lead to believe it is.

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Message: Posted by: Holistic Magic (Sep 19, 2014 09:53PM)
Now that I know more about Emily West, I am glad she did not win. Maybe the voters knew of her career. It is just not as interesting without the rags to riches story. I think Mat had a good story going with his grand ma. I think Quintavious should have won based on talent, but since he did not I am glad it was Mat. I am also glad that the pretty boy who looked like Mark Sanchez formerly of the NY Jets didn't win. If it all is rigged from day one, I don't think Mat Franco would have been the one they were ridding the season on. Also if the judges are 100% in on it then Mel B. and Heidi are very good actresses. Howie was over the top on all magic performances and Howard was guarded. Howard was ignored in many of the earlier performances. One thing that surprised me about Howard is that I would think he would want to know how it is done and I would also think a lot of people would email the judges solutions to the tricks, but they acted very surpised or as some would say they just acted. Anything is possible but I do to think it is 100% rigged from day one. Also having the judges be in on the tricks would make sense for a magic competition but for a talent show with other talents that needs to be judged as well that would not make sense. Some that said here that nothing was real are so wrong. The performances were all real by talented performers of all kinds. To dismiss that is so rude. What was missing this year in the finals was a comedian. If it was fixed I think there would have been a comedian in there.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Sep 21, 2014 02:30PM)
Congrats Mat!
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Sep 22, 2014 03:00PM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2014, DonDriver wrote:
A friend of mine had his 8 year old son on AGT.Hes a knife thrower.He won the first round.The contract his dad signed says in it that just because you win the first round,that's no guarantee you will be called back to be on a second time.He never got called back.

magicwatcher2005,You are right on about no reality TV show has anything to do with "reality".Rigged is the only word I could think of without my post being deleted....what I really think of AGT...well.

I guess we should all worry about all the bad things going on in the world instead of a fixed so called talent show.

Don [/quote]

Here is your answer: http://realitytv.about.com/od/realitytvnewsgossip/a/Reality-Show-Rigging.htm
Message: Posted by: DonDriver (Sep 22, 2014 06:48PM)
Back in the 1950's quiz shows were investigated by the U.S. Senate for rigging the answers.Networks and produce's were fined big money.Don't remember if anybody went to jail or not.Whats the difference in that and AGT ?
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (Sep 25, 2014 07:26AM)
I think the US Senate has more to worry about than the plethora of Reality TV shows (and sports for that matter).